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Moroccan SIGMA Fregates, 3 in service

- 613 Tarik Ben Ziyad (Sigma10513, 2600 tonnes , 105 m)
- 614 Sultan Moulay Ismail (Sigma 9813, 2400 tonnes ,91m)
- 615 Allal Ben Abdallah (Sigma 9813, 2400 tonnes ,91m)

project 10513 sigma : 2600 tonnes , 105 m lenght , 110 crew

Electronic warfare & decoys :

ESM: Thales DR3000
ECM: Racal Scorpion 2L
Decoy: TERMA SKWS, DLT-12T 130mm decoy launchers, port, starboard

Armament :

Guns: 1 x Oto Melara 76 mm (A position) + 2 × 20 mm Denel GI-2 (Licensed copy of GIAT M693/F2) (B position)
Anti-air missile: 12 Missiles AA Mica VL
Anti-surface missile: 4 x MBDA Exocet MM40 Block III
Torpedoes: 2 x triple B515 launchers for EuroTorp 3A 244S Mode II/MU 90

ocea fpb-98 mki small fast patrol boat , algerian navy


32 m long. , 31 in service

Algerian MEKO 636 submarines at mers el kebir naval base Oran

F5 Tiger III with AIM-9 x AGM-65 Maverick missile , moroccan AF

The evacuation of algerians in Khartoum sudan

94 algerians , 22 syrians , and 13 palestinians evacuated


Ilyushin 76 Algerian AF


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtRtnDnHR_8

ANTIlSLAM:
Do me a favour pls., I've been asking this question for over 2years here but none of your slave's brothers from the religion of allah is able to answer it

The question is, since Adam was the first muslim according to your imam and the author of your quran, QUOTE A BIBLE VERSE WHERE JEHOVAH OR JESUS CHRIST INSTRUCTED THE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS TO KILL YOU MUSLIM AS YOU HAVE IT IN QURAN WHERE THE AUTHOR OF YOUR HOLY BOOK SAID YOU SHOULD KILL CHRISTIANS AND JEWS

You havn't found an answer becausz that's a really stupid question .

Does islam religion , quran existed before mohamed ? , about saying adam was the first muslim or other prophets . That's easy to understand the meaning . Muslims and islam they believe in all the prophets since adam, moses, jesus ect... that they are all the messengers of the unique god.
otherwise about barbarism, it is mentioned in the bible ( as i shared just before) to kill anything that breathes, men women children and even animals, to burn cities and reduce them to ashes. it's on a whole other level

And PS : i'm atheist for me all religion are barbaric fairy tales

ANTIlSLAM:
Quran 9:5

But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans (Christians and Jews) wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

In Bible its worst


Joshua 6.17 to24

17The city shall be devoted, even it and all that is in it, to Yahweh. Only Rahab the prostitute shall live, she and all who are with her in the house, because she hid the messengers that we sent.

21 They utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, both young and old, and ox, and sheep, and donkey, with the edge of the sword.

24 They burnt the city with fire, and all that was in it. Only they put the silver, the gold, and the vessels of brass and of iron into the treasury of Yahweh's house

Joshua 8:24

It happened, when Israel had made an end of killing all the inhabitants of Ai in the field, in the wilderness in which they pursued them, and they had all fallen by the edge of the sword, until they were consumed, that all Israel returned to Ai, and struck it with the edge of the sword .

Deuteronomy 13.13 and 13.15

13Certain base fellows are gone out from the midst of you, and have drawn away the inhabitants of their city, saying, "Let us go and serve other gods," which you have not known;
14then you shall inquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is done in the midst of you,
15 you shall surely strike the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein and its livestock, with the edge of the sword.
16 You shall gather all its spoil into the midst of its street, and shall burn with fire the city, and all its spoil every whit, to Yahweh your God: and it shall be a heap forever; it shall not be built again.

Samuel 15.8

He took Agag the king of the Amalekites alive, and utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword .

Number 18.7

7. You and your sons with you shall keep your priesthood for everything of the altar, and for that within the veil; and you shall serve: I give you the priesthood as a service of gift: and the stranger who comes near shall be put to death. "

Chronicles 15.13

13 and that whoever would not seek Yahweh, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman

Ect.. ect....

F16 and C27J morocco

Sukhoi 30 MKA with KAB-500KR (electro-optical TV-guided fire and forget bomb)

Meanwhile algerian Chief of Staff seeing indian BVR missiles for our sukhoi 30 MKI fleet

Video of egyptian soldiers arrested in sudanese marwa airport

https://youtube.com/shorts/awnSK-4UqOs?feature=share

RSF taking kharthoum airpory with 05 egyptian Mig29 M and arresting egyptian personnel

Tunisian anti terrorist brigad . Police

Significant progress in the construction of EN MEKO A200 frigate at Egypt's Alexandria shipyard.

First pics of algerian Beriev Be-200ES , in russia

04 in order , will be delivred in summer for fire fighting

TenQ:
I guess I should tell you about these ignorant Christians who can't even read Arabic yet teaching people nonsense



The woman don't speak Arabic but the man does! The woman Hatun Tash was a Muslim for several years!

Hatun Tash
She was born and raised in a Muslim family in Turkey and that she converted to Christianity later in life after a period of questioning and seeking.



The Man Jay Smith speaks FLUENT Arabic. He used to live in Somalia.

His academic qualification
Jay Smith's academic area of specialization is Islamic studies, particularly in the areas of Islamic theology, philosophy, and history. He has a Master's degree in Islamic studies from Fuller Theological Seminary and a Ph.D. in Islamic history from the University of London.



You didn't watch the video, I would have asked you to say what lies they have spoken.

Now that you know, and your argument of they don't even speak Arabic breakdown,
So, now what?

From your own video at 02:10 , they said themselve that they are not arabic speakers .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6Zc67FrpWU

So i will stop here . Too much nonsense for me . Have a good day sir

TenQ:
If you want to see the 26 different Arabic Qur'ans



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6Zc67FrpWU

so funny these two bullshit theorists, they don't even speak or understand Arabic, they don't know what they're talking about spread their ignorance and racism on streets and try even to give lessons about qur'an and islam . How can they see the differences if they dont speak arabic Even for nativ arab speaking its difficult to read the different writing styles of arabic .

Hello guys i don't speak english but today i will correct errors in Shakespeare's texts

same like what you'r doing about this El rahmane subject, Total nonsense .

Well as they said there are none so blind as those who will not see . You're building a mountain from nothing . Building your argument from a mockery from disbelievers.


so maybe because you don't understand arabic the word Al Rahmane seems to you something special an argument .but It means merciful in arabic . A prophet praying and saying oh god oh merciful . That's nothing special .

The story and tafsir told by Al-Wahidi talk about the mockery and persecutions suffered by the prophet mohamed during his first years in mecca, in the same verse, moreover, god incite mohamed to hide his prayers from the disbelievers.


And last advise with so little understanding of the Arabic language, I advise you to avoid giving lessons on Islam or to delve into tafseer .

TenQ:
From the book of Al-Wahidi on Qur'an 17:110

Here is the work of Wahidi - Asbab Al-Nuzul by Al-Wahidi again!



Qur'an 17:110
Say to them (O Prophet!): "Call upon Him as Allah or call upon Him as al-Rahman; call Him by whichever name you will, all His names are beautiful. Neither offer your Prayer in too loud a voice, nor in a voice too low; but follow a middle course."



The earliest and the most important work on the history of the verses of the Qur'an is undoubtedly Kitab asbab al-Nuzul ("Book of occasions of revelation" of Ali ibn Ahmad al-Wahidi (d. 1075 CE). al-Wahidi mentions occasions of about 570 verses out of 6236 verses of the Quran.

* تفسير Asbab Al-Nuzul by Al-Wahidi
(Say (unto mankind): Cry unto Allah, or cry unto the Beneficent…) [17:110]. Said Ibn ‘Abbas: “One night in Mecca, The Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, stood up for the night vigil prayer. He kept saying in his prostration: ‘O Beneficent, O Merciful!’ (Rahman Raheem); And so the idolaters said: ‘Muhammad used to call unto one Allah; now he is calling unto two gods: Allah and the Beneficent (Al-Rahman).

We do not know of anyone by the name of the Beneficent except the Beneficent of al-Yamamah (meaning Musaylimah the liar)’, and so Allah, exalted is He, revealed this verse”.
Said Maymun ibn Mihran: “At the beginning of revelation, the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give peace, used to write 'In Thy name, O Allah’ until this verse was revealed (Lo! It is from Solomon, and lo, it is: In the name of Allah the Beneficent, the Merciful) [27:30], after which he always wrote ‘In the name of Allah the Beneficent, the Merciful’. The Arab idolaters then commented: ‘We know this Merciful but who is the Beneficent?’ As a response, Allah, exalted is He, revealed this verse”. Said al-Dahhak: “The people of the Book said to the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace: ‘You mention very little the Beneficent and yet Allah mentions this name in the Torah in abundance’.

https://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?


Everything here is his book. It is the most detailed on the history behind Qur'an 17:110

Well after downloading the original book in arabic of Asbab Al-Nuzul by Al-Wahidi . Because i'm not fluent in english . If you understand arabic . The part you'r talking about is on page 294

You can see that first there is no mention that its the first time that the word merciful came in qur'an . It tells a story about disbelievers who heard the prophet pray saying "oh merciful " el rahmane . They mocked him saying the prophet called two gods.
So the question is, do these miscreants know all the verses that came out before isra'a ?? the answer is no ? . So your argument is wrong . And god described as merciful was not only in al-Yamamah ( called musailima el kaddab ) , also in bible and torah , god is called merciful .


and in addition to that, you can see that the author wrote down that the source of this story is from " ibn jarir" who get it from "ibnou abass " , the author himself classified this souce as weak (the part underlined in red on the photo) .

TenQ:
You are not understanding.

1. AR-RAHMAAN was first revealed on the 50th revelation of the Qur'an
2. It means that AR-RAHMAAN should not exist in the first revelation to the 49th Revelation
3. However, we find it all over in the Qur'an before the 50th Revelation
4. Meaning that someone later inserted AR-RAHMAAN I. The earlier revealed Surahs!

From were did you get that the word "rahmane " "the merciful " was first revealed on the 50 th soura in revelation order in qur'an ?? El isra'a

I dont want to read all the first 49 surate , but for exemple the sura 48 in revelation order , named "ants" سورة النمل verse 30 , have al rahmane .

And again the opening of surat , bismillah el rahmane el raheem , is not a verse from the surah it's only a formula that Muslims say before doing a lot of things, before eating, before entering someone's house , before reading the qur'an, etc... Its not a verse same with the formula sadaka el lah al adim صدق الله العظيم. When finishing the surah

So again really dont understant the point

TenQ:
What will you do if I can show you that the TEXTs of many Verses of the Warsh Qur'an is different from that of the Hafs Qur'an?

We all know that British English is slightly different from American English.
If therefore a Document is written in American English and taken to Britain, would the TEXT change even slightly?



Surah Al-Fatihah (Chapter 1), verse 3 is the 5th chapter of the Qur'an to be revealed. Verse 3 contain the word Rahman!

These are examples with VERSES of chapters BEFORE the Revelation of Al-Isra
Examples:
Surah Al-Baqarah (Chapter 2), verse 163
Surah Maryam (Chapter 19), verse 58
Surah Ta-Ha (Chapter 20), verse 5
Surah Al-Furqan (Chapter 25), verse 60
Surah Ya-Sin (Chapter 36), verse 3

Can you confirm that all these contains the male of Allah as Al-Rahman or Rahman?

I dont understand whats your probleme with the word rahmane . maybe you don't understand arabic but rahmane is not some unique name . It means the merciful , and allah have 99 names , each one with a meaning like :

الرحمان AR-RAHMAAN The Most or Entirely Merciful
ٱلْمَلِكُ AL-MALIK The King and Owner of Dominion
ٱلْقُدُّوسُ AL-QUDDUS The Absolutely Pure
ٱلْمُؤْمِنُ AL-MU’MIN The One Who gives Emaan and Security
ٱلْمُهَيْمِنُ AL-MUHAYMIN The Guardian, The Witness, The Overseer
ٱلْمُتَكَبِّرُ AL-MUTAKABBIR The Supreme, The Majestic
ٱلْخَالِقُ AL-KHAALIQ The Creator, The Maker
ٱلْبَارِئُ AL-BAARI’ The Originator
ٱلْغَفَّارُ AL-GHAFFAR The All- and Oft-Forgiving
ٱلْقَهَّارُ AL-QAHHAR The Subduer
ٱلْوَهَّابُ AL-WAHHAAB The Giver of Gifts
ٱلْرَّزَّاقُ AR-RAZZAAQ The Provider
ٱلْعَلِيمُ AL-‘ALEEM The All-Knowing, The Omniscient
ٱلْرَّافِعُ AR-RAAFI’ The Exalter, The Elevator
ٱلْبَصِيرُ AL-BASEER The All-Seeing
ٱلْحَكَمُ AL-HAKAM The Judge, The Giver of Justice
ٱلْعَدْلُ AL-‘ADL The Utterly Just
ٱلْلَّطِيفُ AL-LATEEF The Subtle One, The Most Gentle
ٱلْخَبِيرُ AL-KHABEER The Acquainted, the All-Aware
ٱلْحَلِيمُ AL-HALEEM, The Most Forbearing
ٱلْعَظِيمُ AL-‘ATHEEM, The Magnificent, The Supreme
ٱلْغَفُورُ, AL-GHAFOOR , The Forgiving, The Exceedingly Forgiving

Ect...


And i dont know witch qur'an translation book you're refering to , but in arabic qur'an there is not a single difference on the text , words between hafss warsh recitation technics

TenQ:
What is the jargon in showing you what YOUR OWN religious books say about Islam?

Are you saying that:
Kitab asbab al-Nuzul ("Book of occasions of revelation" of Ali ibn Ahmad al-Wahidi (d. 1075 CE). al-Wahidi is a LIE?



It seems your knowledge of Islam is not more than what you've been spoon fed with.

A. tell me which is the Qur'an of Allah
There are at present more than 30 different Arabic versions of the Koran in circulation. The five main versions are.

1) Hafs Quran, 95% General Muslim World.
2) Warsh Quran 3% Algeria, morocco
3) Qaloon Quran .7% Libya
4) Dooree Quran .3% Sudan +West Africa
5) Ibn Aamir Quran 1% Yemen.
At least both are ALL Arabic: which of them is the Qur'an of Allah in tablets in heaven?

Excuse me but these are reading versions , different ways of pronouncing the words. but the text and words are exactly the same, there is only one version of the Qur'an, unique, . Only for recitation and pronunciation, there are these versions according to the regions

And for "بإسم الله الرحمان الرحيم " bismillah el rahmane el rahim it's not a verse from the Quran, it's just an introduction. You will find in all surat . Bismillah rahmane rahim . Then start verse number 1 of the sura . Its only an introduction

Muslims say bismillah allah el rahmane el rahim, before doing a lot of things. among her, before reading a soura, we say bismillah ellah el rahmane el rahim and we ended up saying " sadaka el lah el Adim" "صدق الله العظيم " but both are not part of the qur'an .


And maybe you don't understand arabic but rahmane is not some unique name . It means the merciful , and allah have 99 names , each one with a meaning like :

الرحمان AR-RAHMAAN The Most or Entirely Merciful
ٱلْمَلِكُ AL-MALIK The King and Owner of Dominion
ٱلْقُدُّوسُ AL-QUDDUS The Absolutely Pure
ٱلْمُؤْمِنُ AL-MU’MIN The One Who gives Emaan and Security
ٱلْمُهَيْمِنُ AL-MUHAYMIN The Guardian, The Witness, The Overseer
ٱلْمُتَكَبِّرُ AL-MUTAKABBIR The Supreme, The Majestic
ٱلْخَالِقُ AL-KHAALIQ The Creator, The Maker
ٱلْبَارِئُ AL-BAARI’ The Originator
ٱلْغَفَّارُ AL-GHAFFAR The All- and Oft-Forgiving
ٱلْقَهَّارُ AL-QAHHAR The Subduer
ٱلْوَهَّابُ AL-WAHHAAB The Giver of Gifts
ٱلْرَّزَّاقُ AR-RAZZAAQ The Provider
ٱلْعَلِيمُ AL-‘ALEEM The All-Knowing, The Omniscient
ٱلْرَّافِعُ AR-RAAFI’ The Exalter, The Elevator
ٱلْبَصِيرُ AL-BASEER The All-Seeing
ٱلْحَكَمُ AL-HAKAM The Judge, The Giver of Justice
ٱلْعَدْلُ AL-‘ADL The Utterly Just
ٱلْلَّطِيفُ AL-LATEEF The Subtle One, The Most Gentle
ٱلْخَبِيرُ AL-KHABEER The Acquainted, the All-Aware
ٱلْحَلِيمُ AL-HALEEM, The Most Forbearing
ٱلْعَظِيمُ AL-‘ATHEEM, The Magnificent, The Supreme
ٱلْغَفُورُ, AL-GHAFOOR , The Forgiving, The Exceedingly Forgiving

Ect...

vaxx:
.............Even at that Nkrumah was able to pioneer other Africa project in the spirit of pan africanism . From Ghana own pulse , Nkrumah built a railway network for Mauritania , built an International airport in Algeria , .give out free cash to guinea conakry for a new nation.....

which airport did he built in algeria ?

Mi 24 MKIII , algerian AF

El Moutassadi (940) new corvette , algerian navy

gatecrash123:
Hosts Algeria refused Morocco’s demands for a direct flight from Rabat to Constantine, where their group matches were to be held, due to the icy diplomatic relations between the two countries. Morocco later pulled out of the tournament

Well the Algerian airspace is forbidden to all Moroccan military and civilian planes and french military planes since september 2021 , Moroccan team could had a direct flight from Morocco to Constantine with any other airlines plane , like all moroccan league teams thats plays CAF Champions League in algeria do , but Morocco wanted to earn political points from this CHAN , they sent their flight plan request 24 hours before the tournament and demanded a plane from the Moroccan royal company .

If the CAN will take place in Morocco, the Algerian national team will come with a private plane, or will use a flight from the Tunisian company or any plane stopping over in Algiers

Just30:
The soil in Egypt, Algeria and co are much drier than in turkana and they still farm from it

Algerian agriculture in the sahara desert


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nckP7HNjKQY

gatecrash123:
quote author=Danielnino00 post=122298364]

Anyway, one of Morocco and Algeria will likely win the bid ..they are more prepared I don't think it's advisable to give any of algeria or Morocco due to what happened at CHAN

And what happened at CHAN ?

MiddleDimension:
Many defsec experts do not give the Mig29 so much credit mainly due to how it performed against the F16s and F15s in the Iraq war at the turn of the 90s. What do you think is the capability of the Mig 29? Is it a platform to be proud of? Don't you think your airforce in Algeria should try to retire it since it does not have a reputation for winning wars?

Well as i said before , iraq vs a laaarge coalition of 38 countries , NATO + several neighboring countries, + un embargo of 13 years before . You can't judge how the iraki's air force and its mig29A performed when you have AWACS , satelit intel , modern radars, hudge armada of jets , steath , Tomahawk that detroyed all airports in the first hours ect ....



For second part , algerian mig 29S are used as second line fighters, with the sukhoi 30 MKA , Mig 35 and (the futur sukhoi 35 ) . In the region neighboors have in their second line fighters in service. F5 and mirage F1 for morocco , mirage 2000 for france , and the Mig 29S have an advantage against this jets , specially in air defense with the help of ground radars , air defense systems .

So nowdays its limited against modern jets , but in any air force you will find first line , second line equipments . Some evn operate nowdays even the Mig 21 and its variants for exemple

panafrican:
Tunisians should go back to the Arabic peninsula where their racist Arabic ancestors are from.
Get out of Africa, please.

Funny because tunisians are the first and original africans , during antiquity africa was only a region between tunisia and algeria nowdays .

It was hundreds of years later that the name africa , africans was generalized to the rest of the continent

Kalashnikov BK-10M fast assault boats , algerian NAVY/SOF

new Algerian Navy F-15A OPV - El Moutassadi (940) received this month

a modified version of the Type 056 , 96 m long

- SR2410C 3D multifunction AESA Radar
- 76 mm H/PJ-26 cannon
- 14.5 mm machine gun,
- 4 C-802 anti-ship missiles,
- 8 HQ-10 bases air defense missiles
- 6 x 324 mm torpedo tubes,
- 2 anti-submarine rockets