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Hhh4444:
Women are not fit for these things jare....Nature denied them the capacity to do somethings not men. Blame nature not men. Do you know that in as much as I love football,I don't enjoy female football cos it's boring;Same goes for boxing that you mentioned. They just don't do it well like men. The system is even protecting them by not sending them to wars or allowing them do dangerous jobs. Go and check places where women work in industries, it's usually soft
Places where there is no much physical pressure. So with all these will you still say the system doesn't favour them?

Chai! See someone conditioned by a system without even realizing he is conditioned! Go to places like US, soccer is for women and they don't quite get why men should be playing such feminine sport. Just like an Arab in the West can't stand that a women can be so free. Or even a Nigerian watching a couple being interviewed can't stand that the wife talks a lot. It's all CONDOTIINING! Just as the Bible says a woman should not preach or even speak up in church, even though there are women gifted in those things more than men. Likewise ALL those things you mentioned, there are women who can do them better than most men. But the System won't let them. Those things were long ago monopolized by the brotherhood and passed down generations!

Hhh4444:
Nobody is stopping women from being any of these things. How many of them are showing interest in politics to start with? How many of them have the capacity to lead? These are things you should ask. How many women are sent to die in wars? How many women can do certain dangerous jobs to make money?The system is not unfair to women in anyway.

The SYSTEM is stopping them. Even something as lucrative as boxing, women were excluded until recently. Why? If a woman wants to go to war or do a "dangerous" but lucrative job, she can't because it is monopolized by the brotherhood. Even joining army, police, etc. Things were set up that way by MEN, not by Nature!

abbey621:
You're spewing jargon, which civilization was that? Is it the old Oyo Empire, Ife, Benin, the Aztecs or the Vikings/Saxo? Originally where? You have to specify rather than make broad assumptions not backed by historical evidence! Out of 1000s of ethnic groups, women being custodian of inheritance is less than 10%, you can use Google if you need help validating this!

The circled below is from Google and answers your question. But even common sense ought tell you that a man can't be out hunting and gathering and fighting and dying, and at same time be custodian of the home and what was gathered

Hhh4444:
You are still living in the past...There is no patriarchy anymore. The current system favours women more than men...look around you and see for yourself. Feminism is all a lie,stop promoting it.

I'm not promoting feminism at all. I'm just sensitive to unfairness especially when the person favored is still the one always complaining. Look around me: how many women are presidents, senators, governors, mega church heads, lucrative markets like Alaba, etc. Women are systematically excluded from all these because the system was set up by men to favour men!

abbey621:
You can argue with your forefathers about that because as far back as our history could remember, it is MOSTLY men that build up assets which needs to be passed down so naturally they would want that asset to continue in the family, you simply cannot do this with the female child back then. Recently, women have been more open to keeping their fathers name and legacy so things are changing little by little but to think you'll someday get a 50/50 equilibirum when it comes to inheritance is OFUTUFETE!

Actually inheritance and lineage were originally through women because they were custodians of the home and family wealth plus everyone was sure their children were truly their children. Men came and went and fathered children they weren't even aware they fathered. So it actually made more sense that lineage and inheritance were through females

Kobojunkie:
Are all men strong? 🥱🥱

.2. Do all women have pregnancies and raise children? 🥱🥱

3. Are all men protectors? 🥱🥱🥱

4. Why does Matriarchy need to be qualified with the word "true" when there are different kinds of matriarchal systems that exists for good reason....women have to coexist with men for even such a system to work. 🥱🥱🥱

You are now being funny. Why don't they use that logic to have men and women compete together in boxing, wrestling, running, etc. "All" is totally unnecessary. Alpha males get together and run things and make rules because they can enforce them. "All" is totally unnecessary.

"True" simply means "that mirrors patriachy". Example, inheritance through women can be considered Matriarchy - but not in the patriachy sense, which is all-encompassing

abbey621:
Youre the one that's not facing reality, you keep talking equality bullshit when I'm trying to show you there's improvement from one decade to another, I've never onced said it is 50/50 or entertained the notion of such absurdity. Nature itself made it that way, women don't keep their father's name so why would a father expect them to keep his legacy?

This does not mean daughters shouldn't get shin shin, the fact that you keep mentioning women can't inherit anything is ABSURD and clearly limited to those still thinking with cavemen faculty! For wealthy men within the last 20 or 30 years, awareness is on the rise, from having a will that specifically states how properities would be shared to actually seeing the importance of a female child, this is 2025 not 1990, Otedola will not ignore his daughters neither would I!

So at least we agree that women are cheated by the inheritance system, that it is UNFAIR to women. And please it is NOT nature that made it that way, it is the patriachy, men! What Nature made is that everyone would know for certain who the child's mother is, but not the father. Therefore Nature actually supports lineage through female line not male. It is man that changed it!

Kobojunkie:
Read the article. You are told that patriarchy is the more recent development compared to matriarchy.
So, it isn't that those matriarchal systems of today were born out of patriarchy but that matriarchal systems existed long before and those that exist today either continue on from before or either reverted back to what they had previously had or known.🥱🥱

I hope you agree it doesn't make logical sense. Men were stronger and in the old days everything was by how strong you were. Plus women were weighed down by pregnancy and child-care and needs a man's protection durring those times if not always. Anyway Google below says true matriachy (akin to patriarchy) never existed and doesn't exist.

Kobojunkie:
https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/g28565280/matriarchal-societies-list/

Good research but if you go back they were originally male-governed then something happened.
Why? Simply because men are stronger and originally everything was by brute force therefore it is simply impossible to have a human society that has always been ruled by women

abbey621:
We are talking about now compared to 30 years ago, WHY WOULD ANY WOMAN MARRY A MAN WITH NO EDUCATION, NO WILL & NO PLAN? Una no dey learn? The people you're describing are mostly poor or average at best, MAJORITY of village men are not leaving behind a mansion or enough money to secure his family for the rest of their lives. We are not talking about a million or two or that old village family house but REAL INHERITANCE!

My friend you are just being deceptive. You know full well that what drives inheritance is to keep the wealth inside the family name. If lineage were traced through the female (as it ought be because you're never sure who the father is) then there'd be an incentive to have females inherit as much as males. Otherwise WHY would a man transfer his wealth to another family name?

Kobojunkie:
... Come on... this was never truly about inheritance, as the one who brought up the mention of inheritance was you...

I was actually the first to bring up inheritance by stating the following:
"A first-child woman can't inherit anything. Everything goes to her younger brothers.
Life is unfair to women simply because it is men that set up the system."

MadamExcellency:
First understand the context before writing a rebuttal. What he is saying is that it doesn't matter how good, moral and incorruptible a man is, without a good financial footings, he is scorned, degraded and shamed by the society and on the contrary, a good lady/woman with morals but nothing in her bank balance is still classified as virtuous and appreciated in the same man's world.

Same way, no matter how good, moral, incorruptible, AND RICH a woman is, if she's not appealing she won't find a man to marry that fits her. All a man has to be is RICH and everything is ok, but with a woman even being hardworking and RICH doesn't guarantee anything!

MrCork:
brother. every street in nigeria now is fill with single women charging betweeen N15,000 naira and N60,000 naira. They all doing Olosho job. Who would u go for single women u find on every street corner when u can easily get a goood stay at home house wife who will be faithfil to onlu u when her husband is away...and u can truss her keeping secret. Can u date a Nigerian lady who is single? be honest. Bro u no am telling the truth. 95% of single women in Nigeria right now do prostitute work. The one I carrried 2 weeks ago lied to me she was single before I found she was lying. Bro. Single women now in Nigeria are all prostitute. U dont belive me, check the latest survey report. U cant even hug or kiss a single lady no more without she askin for moiney for hug sir or extra cash for kiss!!!!! (FACT)

So I ask again (what a stupid question), doesn't it matter a little bit that the woman is married, someone's wife?

advanceDNA:
..sometimes the system are designed, sometimes they are just there .. either way, people will complain from their point of experience i.e., based on how nature/society has dealt with them...

In the UK...driver's licence are cheaper for women than men because one man woke up and claimed nature made women more kind and gentle claiming they drive more safer ....

Men designed the System that said it's better for men to go and die protecting the society.,...how may times have u heard women soldiers killed by Bokoharam?? Zero....Women are not posted to battle fronts even the west that scream equality...

Men set up system where Single mothers are paid benefits in the UK, nobody pays single fathers for not having a spouse to support him...

If u marry a stay at home mum...she gets half or your property at divorce because one slmp designed a system that established she has contributed to your entire wealth by just staying at home and not chasing her own life...

Check the statistics of all the rape cases perpetrated by women and even other criminal offences .......the sentence are just naturally lesser than men......a phenomenon designed by a male system known as "benevolent sexism" or the "female leniency effect" .....

If u know the amount of women and girl empowerment programmes in this country and in the west.,.u'll start wondering if someone is against the boy child or men...

Just last week...one morally bankrupt mid 30s lady teacher was caught in a statutory rape situation with a teenage boy....
. but alas....even women on nairaland started saying there is no foul because of the gender of the victim.... ...and that's how it is for men,....society expects unwritten things from you they don't expect from women that even overrides established law.....

Last year, I was applying for a programme ......i saw that women are encouraged to apply as they will offer them more slots & scholarship

..as in..?? I'm like..it shouldn't be this obvious naaaa..,.. and the sad reality is that women don't want to be in the engineering fields for long, even when they study it....they eventually branch off to something else more feminine which is why hua psychology says u can only force equal opportunity for men and women, but u can't force equal outcomes, because most women will always chose the easy way out...

And there is the sex system, which women are naturally custodian of.....u spread u get pregnant ..but if you don't want the baby..the man doesn't have a say...
.the man cannot force you or drag you to keep the baby......But hey!!..if u want a baby and a man isn't ready, he doesn't have a day.....infact you can pin another man's baby on him if you like....

So I take it you concede that Nigerian society is unfair to women simce I clearly said THIS society NOT UK society. UK and US have become unfair to men.

I happen to have a large sense of fairness and always botheref by unfairness. Men basically monopolized all those areas you mentioned, not because women didn't want to be a part of them. Only recrntly are women allowed to make millions boxing, like men. So also army, police, markets, professions, etc. No matter how talented, a woman couldn’t participate bfore. Even in science and inventions, literature, etc. Men monopolized everything. Even the Bible says a woman can't be a preacher hence how many mega churhes and the millions from them are owned by women?

bluefilm:
Childbirth, menstraul cycles etc. are nature's design

Each sex have their own natural crosses to bear...

But you and I can never argue about the fact that once the task at hand demands taking huge risks, it is normally men who are expected to 'man' up.

That's why men go to war

Men learn survival skills

Men build all the structures and facilities that make the society function

And why do men do all these things?

So that WOMEN and children can survive!

Well, you start by admitting that nature has been unfair to women. Would have been fairer if men bore periods while women bore pregnancy. Instead men are left completely free!

We're discussing fairness. Men monopolized all those things you mentioned. These days women are let into the army, police, and lucrative markets and professions. Before, men monopolized all

advanceDNA:
There are systems that favour men more than women a vise verse and it's men that set both up

By the way.......Why are your comments ending with "just admit" .....is that a way of bullying someone into submission or you just feel you view is the only correct one hence, they shouldn't have a their own submissions,..

Because it is very annoying, people hugely favored by nature, then again hugely favored by a system set up by men, are the ones always complainning!

Mention systems set up in this society that favour women

Kobojunkie:
. There are!

Give examples

Kobojunkie:
I disagree because the few matriarchal systems that exist in this same world, including those found in the animal kingdom, show that women actually tend more towards systems that benefit all — children, included—, not just women or men.

There is no human matriarchal system that has no male input or not built on traditions previously set up by men. Therefore women can't set up a system that cheats men

Hhh4444:
The pain of pregnancy or monthly period is periodic compared to the constant pain men go through on daily basis just to survive. Have you seen some kind of dangerous jobs that men do to put food on the table for women and children yet they get zero or less appreciation for their efforts and sacrifices? To every man out there going through hell,I feel your pain.

Unfairness to women is built into the system - because it is set up by men alone.
With men it is on an individual basis - if you're poor, just as if you're unappealing as a woman

Kobojunkie:
. He is wrong, and so are you in this.

We are talking of equality in terms of human experience as curated by humans(society), not nature. Yes, nature gives women more to bear than men— periods and childbearing among them— however, that does not present a reason why human society should not consider women respectable enough to enjoy the same/equal rights as men in society. And we all know that the ones who baulk against women having equal rights in society are men.

Well, because it is men that set things up with no female input whatsoever. There's a saying - if you're not around you'd be cheated. That saying applies here!

Kobojunkie:
Indeed! We need to separate Nature from society! Society, led by men, has systems set up to place the woman beneath the man. 🥱🥱🥱

2. When I tell Christians that this is one of the primary reasons that their marriages have nothing to do with the content of that book, they lose their heads and flail around like mad folks for it. Religion is a societal construct, a system created by men with which to corral, like animals, the gullible men and women out there. 🥱🥱

And you can't blame the men. If it were women that set things up they'd also cheat men!

abbey621:
Wake up, this is 2025 not 1990! Many educated wealthy men now have wills that takes care of their daughters, some are even giving their daughters the inheritance while they're still alive. The growth from 1990 to 2025 is astronomical and truly wealthy parents are not leaving anythhing to chance or societal whims!

See your conditions for the female to get what should be naturally hers - "Many educated wealthy men now have wills". How about no education, no wills? How about traditionally?
Check the villages. A woman can't be seen with a man for years after her husband dies, while a man can be sleeping with his second wife same night! In the old days the alive wife actually gets buried alive with her husband!
Just admit things are unfair to women because it is men that set it up!

Kobojunkie:
How can there exist gender equality when the ones most against that are men? 🥱🥱🥱

He's actually right. Nature did not distribute torture equally. Women bear all the nastiness while men are left free. It would have been more fair if, for example, men bore monthly periods while women bore pregnancy and childbirth

alphaconde:
How gender equality doesnt distribute life torture equally

You are right

Dpsychologist:
I get what you are saying but this post is specific to men challenges. You saying this here is trying to undermine men's daily challenges.

The system itself is unfair to women. With men it is an individual thing.
Which is understandable because it is men that set up the system, with no female input whatsoever

Dtruthspeaker:
They are actually also abused only that, they will attack you with their riches.

And for the poor man who got rich, even you realise that they are an insignificant category of which they are very much condemned and abused. So, it's not the same

Just admit that life is unfair to women BECAUSE IT IS MEN THAT SET UP THE SYSTEM!
A first-child woman can't inherit anything. Everything goes to her younger brothers.
Unfairness everywhere.

Even the Bible says a man should leave his parents and cling to his wife. Society changed it to a woman should leave her parents - because it is men that set it up!
And he can tell her to pack and go back to her parents anytime.
There are countless other unfairness. Just go the villages

Dtruthspeaker:
Is it not because she truly is an oloshee? How many woman married a man when he had nothing? Do you not see how well treated the ones who married their men when they had nothing?

https://www.nairaland.com/6854526/met-wife-when-nothing-nigerian#107705723

https://www.nairaland.com/4325003/man-shares-throwback-photos-himself#64711685

But when a man does same thing he is praised as odogwu and no one calls him olosho. That's the unfairness.
Men also dump the mgbeke they married when poor and marry a stylish slayer that fits their new status, or marry second wife, or dump a woman after sleeping with her 7 years and marry someone he just met!

Kalatium:
Its a hard world for a man.

alphaconde:
How gender equality doesnt distribute life torture equally

Dpsychologist:
Let’s stop pretending this isn’t happening.

Dogalmighty17:
Spot on. Nothing more can be said.

Life is unfair to women.
Men don't have to worry about periods, and pregnancies, and childbirth, and breastfeeding, and being called olosho for wanting variety in sex, etc. On top of everything, after all her suffering the child belongs to the man and bears his name and her own line disappears.
Life is indeed so unfair to women.
A first-child woman can't inherit anything. Everything goes to her younger brothers.
Life is unfair to women simply because it is men that set up the system.

A man will dump the mgbeke he married when poor and marry a stylish slayer that fits his new status, or marry second wife, or dump a woman after sleeping with her 7 years and marry someone he just met!
Unfairness everywhere.
Even the Bible says a man should leave his parents and cling to his wife. Society changed it to a woman should leave her parents - because it is men that set it up!
And he can tell her to pack and go back to her parents anytime.
ETC.!!!

bluefilm:
That's why I always snigger whenever I hear the statement that "it's a man's world"

Which man, If I may ask?

See my write-up above. Do you still think it is a woman’s world?
In the villages it is even worse. A woman can't be seen with a man for years after her husband dies, while a man can be sleeping with his second wife same night. In the old days the alive wife gets buried alive with her husband!

But... ok I know this is a silly comment and should not be a consideration at all... still, doesn't it matter that she's married?

Flangelo12:
Type "Cankles nickname" in Google.

I typed. Nickname for fat ankles. What on earth has this to do with this discussion?

And what is sundowning??

Dangote just have a talent for using Nigerian military dictators to corner markets

ekhai:
SO OTHER COUNTRIES HAVE ALSO COMPROMISED THEIR AMBASSADORS.
DID YOU CARE TO READ THE STORY TO KNOW IT'S A ROUTINE GOVERNMENT POLICY? YOU'RE ONE OF THOSE THAT BELIEVE ANYTHING FROM THE UNITED STATES IS CORRECT. SHAME ON YOU.
NIGERIA MUST CONTINUE TO PROGRESS IRRESPECTIVE OF YOUR HATRED.
LONG LIVE PBAT.
LONG LIVE FED. REP. OF NIGERIA.

Wow, why the anger? He only said that Nigerian politicians could have compromised the ambassador - which is exactly the type of thing our politicians would typically do!

Flangelo12:
Cankles is an old man who's always sundowning.

Who is Cankles?

Diamond098454:
Hahaha hahaha hahaha I don't know why men normally use this language hahaha hahaha hahaha

😂 And how u know the whole thing is instinct (just like animals - the instinct of passing on genes) is: women of child-bearing age are always sexually attractive to men, and the closer to the prime child-bearing age (late teens and twenties) the more attractive, then it tapers off past menopause - yet the hole is exactly the same!