₦airaland Forum

She sells seashells down by the seashore!

LMAO!

This thread cracks me up so much.

Like they say, common sense isn't so common after all.

redsun is full of bs.

He talks all this nonsense about colonial this, colonial that, but he lives in oyiboland. I guess the colonizers aren't THAT bad, huh redsun?

Excuse me osisi?

I do not advocate for female circumcision. Rather I advocate that all children, both male and female, should be left whole.

But I also argue that if male circumcision can be considered okay, then it is not much of a stretch to find female circumcision okay as well.

I personally don't like circumcising anybody. It's wrong.

romeo:
y para tu informacion se dice: mira quien habla, piensas que eres el unico que entiende español? no te engañes mi amigo

pues ya que entiendes español, seras el tonto de culo que me referia antes, por que lo que dije lo dije en español por que me daba la gana!! y si quieres te apuntas a mi clase de español, asi veremos quien engaña a quien

Usted no conoce la forma de usar usted Esta enganado no esta mal escrito. Pero, acepto que usted sabe hablar espanol mejor de que yo. Yo se hablar mas el portugues.

romeo:
y yo te aseguro que tu olor se puede oler desde Malaga y no solo marbella, tonto de culo

Mira quien habla! Usted piensa que es lo unico que entiende espanol? Estas enganado mi amigo.

Thief,

Perhaps redsun is jealous because while he struggles and wrestles with the English language, you are able to write and communicate intelligbly with no difficulties?

Jealousy joloma o!

ThiefOfHearts:
FuFu, may the Lord assist you on your venture. Ami.

Amen.

As for redsun don't mind him. He's living in a fool's paradise.

I know what I'll be giving some Nairaland users for Christmas:

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I hope they are playing for their sakes as well Thief!

Next thing you know, they'll be standing up to give presentations in front of their co-workers saying, "Na we dey spake yesterday, we no go gree wid di proposal, abi?"

soulpatrol:
sweet lord, English has suffered o! it has been hung, drawn and quartered! we must go on a national mission to save the English language! FAST!

You're telling me! Sheesh, this pidgin is just grinding, chewing and spitting the English language out. Speaked, spaked. Damn. Illiteracy is a curse.

romeo:
some fools here think that knowing English language is being smart!! how many languages can you folks speak apart from English language? it's all about communication and nothing else, it's all about being understood, i don't need to speak like queen Elizabeth to prove my intelligience.

It's only little kids that attach so much importance to their English speaking ability because their sole understanding of being smart is being to able to speak English language (archaic mind set ). And such fools look down on people when they feel they are not up to their own level of spoken English, but they end up being the losers because all they do is "blow grammar" and nothing else

@redsun
i understand your point very well! keep it up

LMAO, if anything it is childish to act as if speaking and writing intelligently are BAD things. All you do is stamp, shout, cry and deny. Grow up. And for your info, I can speak two other languages apart from English and I'm studying French.

redsun:
@fufuking,i bet you think you are educated,what you have is brainwashed education,from the way you talk as well as some of your comrades on this thread,education without foundation,lack of common sense and ignorant of the basics is just as good as no education.What is the point of education if people can't reason,just like you have in africa,most of those corrupt and thieving politicians are harvard and oxford products yet they are as insecure and unproductive as an abused child.We got to draw our education from our heart and eyes for us for to understand it,see the world in your eyes,it is not too much to ask.Academicians are theorist,they observe,analyze and pass on,theories are not infallable,they are open to alterations. English is the language of england not nigeria,i don't know how long it will take for it to sink into your domant skull,it was use to divide and rule us ,as usual to cause confusion that you have in nigeria today,we should be thinking of reforming our way of life,instead of sinking deeper and deeper into the master,masterplan.You can't teach what you don't know,it is like teaching a child a computer that he or she have not seen before,a common occurence in nigerian schools,imaginative teaching,instead of reality that it is main to be,sadly,the ones abroad still can't work out this simple things,it is like the more you look the less you see.

redsun, my friend. I have stated more than once that Nigeria is under NO OBLIGATION to keep English as its official language. So all that crap you're talking is a moot point. If Nigerians don't like English, remove it from the country. And again, for the millionth time, it is hilarious that you espouse all this garbage while sitting pretty and content in England.

Ugh.

doyin13:
Give up and make the lingua franca Pidgin

That is totally an option. If Nigerians love pidgin so much, they should make it the official language.

debosky:
I don't really understand some of these people

any attempts to point out what should be done - i.e when speaking formal English, ends up in an accusation of 'packing white shit' and 'worshiping oyibo'

and they keep on repeating the same mistakes that were pointed out.

I personally don't think there is anything wrong with pidgin English, the point is - when speaking/writing English formally, there is a sad drop in standards among Nigerians, it should not be swept under the carpet, but corrected. Anyone who deems him/herself too big to accept correction is on the road to failure. If however, the poor formal lingo use can be traced to pidgin, then it is a cause for concern.

soulpatrol i hope you're beginning to understand the depth of the problem even in this microcosm called nairaland.

Debosky,

My reasoning for pointing out pidgin English and why I believe it is in part, responsible for the terrible state of the English language in Nigeria is based on several reasons.

1) It is a simple fact that practice makes perfect. If you spend 80 percent of your day speaking pidgin, and only 20 percent of your day communicating in standard English, it's very probable that your English will suffer. If you don't speak regular English regularly, you're bound to make mistakes.

2) More and more students are speaking pidgin in school when in the older generations it was banned. As a result, standard English has taken a backseat to pidgin as the lingua franca.

3) Pidgin causes some people to be confused. This is a fact, some people say "gree" instead of "agree", "abeg" instead of "I beg" etc.

I'm not saying that pidgin is 100 percent responsible for the problems Nigerians have with English, but I feel like it contributes in some cases. Obviously, not everyone who speaks pidgin is incapable of speaking and writing good English. But there are some people who use pidgin as their crutch.

Nella:
Nairaland is not the place to show whether you're Educated\smart or what ever most ITK's are trying to claim here with common simple English!!!!
this are the kind that worship the white people without even meeting or seeing them - PATHETIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

why u condeming pidgin English with useless reasons u even heard a Black American speak English before?? - don't u notice that they don't speak the correct English but arrange it their own way?? Example - instead of " what are u doing here" they say - what is u doing here" n many more
now what is wrong with that?? y u ain't condeming them??- but aslong as it's Nigeria u run to the white man!! PATHETIC, JUST PATHETIC!!

nairaland is nairaland! u guys that claim to know r just the one that like to carry shoulder up like they are something seeking for people to praise them that they are smart or what ever rubbish it is they want!!!!

once again : Pidgin English is just a way of talkin, u just have to know how to differenciate\speak the two and when\when not to speak it!!

apart 4rom that, there is nothing wrong with pidgin English, it's just a way of talking!!

NOW IF You AIN'T DOWN WITH THAT You CAN F*CK UR BLACK ASS WANNA BE WHITE ASS TRASH!!!!!! LOOSERS!!!!!

Who on earth lied to you and told you that every Black American speaks like that? You need to get your head out of the sand and stop making things up. Usually, the people who talk like that, come from uneducated backgrounds and bad neighborhoods.

As for what's wrong with pidgin English, I don't feel like repeating myself for the 100th time. Read the topic again and you'll see my reasons why I think speaking pidgin is a bad idea.

redsun:
Loosen up,yamheads.English language is not an issue to a blackman,rather it is detrimental,it's part and parcel of our nemesis,same with adopted religions,blind faith.No original initiatives,not even the Masais of east africa can compared with us.

And you say all of this while residing in England Do you not see the hypocrisy of your statement?

redsun:
Amazing small timers,you've got a long way to go before you realize what's important,unfortunately,you may never do in your life time,what a pity.

LOL, sidestepping and deflecting from your lack of knowledge does not make it not important. Please, go back to school and try to improve your English. I beg you. You're living in England so you have all the resources at your disposal.

redsun:
The problems of black world seems unending,because we don't realize the core causes,some people just think that the english who have always been our tormentor is worthy be emulate,let's emulate their wittiness and beat them in the game,not their morals because it stinks.It beats my heart when i listen to some black people with their colonial and indoctrinated mentallity wish they can see the need and beauty of originality.Loose your language and your spiritual view of the world,you loose yourself.

And yet, there you sit posting from the "tormentor's land" (England) so really, who's the colonized one?

And please, loose and lose are two different words with two different meanings. You don't loose your language, you lose it.

People keep shouting about colonized minds and colonization, but Nigeria is a sovereign state.  If Nigeria no longer wants the "colonized" language as its official language, THEN GET RID OF IT. Make pidgin the official language and be on your merry way.

But if English is going to be your official language, don't shout that people who advocate the correct and proper use of the language have "colonized minds."

Naija, if you don't want to speak English, you don't have to!!

redsun:
Even george bush can't make a complete statement in english that is suppose to be his first language without making mistakes,the leader of the suppose first world and an english descendant. We africans are just busy bothering about things that doesn't count,suppose we are the japanese and the chinese,that advance technologically and mentally in their own languages.Education sense pass education book.Common sense.

LOL, redsun that's not fair. George Bush is an abberation, and to be fair, almost everyone in the US makes fun of George Bush for his poor English. So it's definitely not "accepted" as the norm.

That's the past, let's see pictures of Angola today!

WOW! Nairobi looks AMAZING from these pictures. I would definitely love to visit!

[quote author=$$Rhino link=topic=75696.msg1457919#msg1457919 date=1188792898]Fufu, if you read me well earlier, we could improve on everything and our grammer inclussive,however, nigerians are trying, be4 i fit take ya apology, send me some odeku larger beer and suya without pepper.
Anyhow, i feel you, we speak lots of pidgin, and all that, but i still blv that nigerians are trying, but yeah, we could improve.[/quote]LOL have a guinness on me my friend.

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[quote author=$$Rhino link=topic=75696.msg1457906#msg1457906 date=1188792248]Fufu, in nigeria, yeah english is official langs, however, depending on where you at in nija, it could be argued, anyhow, don't want to say mauch with you, because u seems to result to name calling all because people don't buy your idea, so i beg, oyinbo master, fashi my side, i don't want to continue with you, because i don't appreciate name calling and i don't want to be pushed to get into exchanging of such with you, because we here to have fun, so if it makes you feel better and add more feather to your wings, u don win oh.[/quote]LOL, are you intimidated because I said "slow people"? My apologies, but I can impatient at times.

Anyway, the fact that you said that depending on where you are in Naija, English may or may not be well-spoken is EXACTLY the point of this thread: "The terrible state of the English language in Nigeria."

I know that some people on Nairaland like to blame oyibo for all their troubles, but I assure you, my concerns about Nigerians' competence in the English language have nothing to do with them. Professional and studied Nigerians themselves have complained about the state of English in Naija. They say they can't believe how the young people speak pidgin all the time and that they now speak it in schools. So there are many Nigerians complaining about the sad state of affairs. Wake up, Nigeria. If you want to adopt a new official language, so be it. But if you want to continue with English as the official language, the lingua franca, cut pidgin loose!

[quote author=$$Rhino link=topic=75696.msg1457881#msg1457881 date=1188790968]Fufu king, what is the official language of a chinese man that resides in america?
Can they speak that official lang fluently like you ?
And dude, no need for the name calling, i enjoy conversing, but draws the line when yu want to start name calling "slow people" nothing warrants that, peace.[/quote]My friend, I seriously want you to re-think this analogy you are attempting to make.

You are comparing a scenario where the official language of one country is English, the press is in English, the laws are written in English, the schools teach English from 1 year and on, to an adult immigrant coming to a new country and learning a foreign language. My friend, HOW ARE THE TWO COMPARABLE? If I were to go to France right now, of COURSE I would have a difficult time speaking French! It would be a completely new language for me! But if I grew up in Senegal, where French is the official language, schools are taught in French, books are written in French, and I arrived in Paris speaking French poorly, then yes that would be the situation we are talking about.

English is the official language of Nigeria. I repeat, the official language of Nigeria. It is not comparable in any way to an adult foreigner coming to the US and having difficulties learning the language. How do the two even seem similar in your mind?

[quote author=$$Rhino link=topic=75696.msg1457868#msg1457868 date=1188790075]Like i once said, Chinese are one of the most respectable nationalities in da world and yet they can't speak english at all, some of them have to hire americans to interprete for them, yet they are one of the nations that rules the economy of the world, they are the reasons why we have to pay so much for gad today, so all english with no money for pocket, na useless talk, good night.[/quote]Hello, genius, ENGLISH is not China's official language. What part of this are you not grasping? Of course the Chinese have a difficult time speaking English, their laws and press are written in CHINESE. Lord help me, I think I'm dealing with slow people. 

debosky:
dude you've gone off point in numerous ways. I'm not commenting about posting on a forum, but even then, if you are speaking English not pidgin, it is only normal to use the right grammar, unless of course it was a typo

This is not a matter of hailing foreigners. use of English as official language is our choice - if that is the choice, is it too much to demand that we use the lingo appropriately?

it is not a matter of who the 'owner' of the Language is, we want English to be our official language, if we don't want it anymore, change it to pidgin or whatever you want. I have not said ALL Nigerians cannot speak English, many/most of the people I know can speak excellently far and above many oyibos, the issue is that proud heritage/standard is falling everyday, and some people like you want to excuse that on the basis of 'its not our language' or 'worshipping oyibo man's shit' or other such excuses. that is escapism and failing to address the issue at hand.

I am not talking about accent/speaking style - simply basic grammar and correct pronunciation. It isn't too much to ask is it?

Debosky,

You are making too much sense and your thought process is above and beyond some of these posters. All they are interested in repeating ad nauseum is oyibo, pidgin is good oooo, and other gibber gabber, without truly tackling and analyzing the points you are making.

They cannot seem to grasp that English is the official language of Nigeria, by the choice of Nigerians, and as such, her citizens should be competent and fluent in the language. If English is too cumbersome for Nigerians to learn, PICK A NEW OFFICIAL LANGUAGE.

The garbage about Americans and British people speaking poor English is a dumb one. No one is saying that there aren't people who in those countries who speak English poorly. But, aside from President Bush (who is a true embarassment), the people who come from educated backgrounds in the US speak and write English JUST fine.

lovemajek:
60% of American are academically illitrates, but has smart brains from daily experiences.

Young lady, where did you pull this statistic from? Your fetid anus?

It's funny that your sentence alone is a horrific mess grammatically and you spelled illiterates wrong. Re-enroll in some English classes, I beg!

romeo:
what about terrible state of igbo language in Britain? just be proud of your own young man

Is Igbo the official language of the UK? What a stupid comparison to make.

The mind is such a terrible thing to waste.