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LOL he's like one of the girls. @ your situation, your girlfriend is sounding selfish if she says she doesn't care how you feel and telling you to get over it. That's not fair, I guarantee if you did the same thing she wouldn't be as complacent about the situation as she is.

^^ Lol yes he is my best friend. And yes he massages me, and I have undressed in front of him. Did you not read when I said he's ghey? And hell ya, I'll make a good wife!

@190, I know you are not Shaking your head at me? lol What I do?

GEEEZZ with this censoring. So I can't say h.o.m.o.intimacy.u.a.l or g.a.y? what the hell is a man-lover? I'm a man lover and I'm not g.a.y.

^^^ +1
   
    I too have a lot of guy friends. My bestest friend in the whoole entire world is a dude, and we do everything together, we have sleepovers, we cuddle, he massages my back and shoulders, etc  , so you can imagine how that can get under a bf's skin. Sometimes the dudes I'm with trip over our relationship, that is until I tell them he's ghey, lol But yes, you should totally just talk to her about how uncomfortable it makes you.

A "friend" is a classification of a relationship. So they are intrinsically interconnected. But the boundaries of a relationship are dictated by those who are in that relationship. So I might say that I have a relationship with my uncle; an uncle-neice relationship. But its not the same type of relationship I share with a lover.

owo2390:
wow this is still going on.

Let me jump in.

You incessantly speak about research and science hard facts like you did the studies yourself. You don't know how these scientists got their data, their subjects, their hypothesis, etc.

This debate is futile because we can't prove it. No one can.

It will go on forever and ever.

Science is a vehicle for people to explain the uncertain word they live in, so is love, religion, and magic. People need these things in order to better understand their world. You shouldn't call it delusions, because in other people's eye your "science" is a delusion. In addition, most scientific theories only make sense in ideal situations so sometimes they are irrelevant in the real world, since we live in a non-ideal world. For example, the duality of light as a particle (the photoelectric effect) or a wave (light comes in different wavelengths). Light can be a particle or a wave but never both at the same time. Because light is behaving as a wave at an instant, doesn't mean it can't behave as a particle in the next instant. Because love can't be scientifically proven now, doesn't mean it won't be proven later on in the future.

Have fate and open your heart to love.

OMG thank You, lol It really is beating a dead horse. Can you pretty please start a new and interesting post? Pweety please? lol and let's not invite the party pooper,

He is not mad lol. Actually a lot of people in the scientific world agree with his notions. You know what I was with you at first since I think science is incredibly important to human existence, but now I will go out on a limb and say science cannot prove anything! Science cannot prove anything because it first has to start with unproven presumptions. Science assumes the world exists, and that it exists as we see it, and makes no attempt to prove that. As long as that is the case, nothing will ever be, strictly speaking, proven. Can someone start a new, and interesting thread please, This is beating a dead horse.

I am still arguing with you, I was merely just letting you know what science cannot prove. Does it matter where i got it from, I'm educated as I can see you are. Your arguments are just as supported by what you claimed others have researched just as i have. You wanted scientific analysis and I gave it to you from the perspective of people who too are trained in the scientific world. My arguments are valid. The particular video you I posted and quoted from has been passed around by the scientific community, does that make my argument any less baseless, geeeez, There are loads of research papers on this subject which have exhaustively proven that "love" does not exist. Your thoughts are based off of the assumptions of scientists, so are mine. There are many scientists who have said love exists, while others say likewise. Science itself cannot be proven scientifically and there are other scientists that say the same thing. Ok I am done for real, you're hopeless, lol

Well according to my new found friend Claremont "love" doesn't exist, and intrinsically to his own theory neither does "respect". So you're wasting your time with both LOL

@claremont, back-peddling on my previous post listing 5 theories that can't be proven by science, but are accepted as rational beliefs. Like the number 4 point. I can't say that I think you're kinda cute cause I can't back it up by science. Does that mean I am delusional? Well, I don't think I could be with someone who didn't think he was attractive because science does not back it up. So every time I say "Claremont, you are so cute, beautiful, gorgeous" You would bite my head off "abi?"lol

@claremont, haha now I can tell that you feel backed into a corner. Its not Dogma, its Reason. You told us love wasn't real because it wasn't backed by science. I showed you 5 theories including science itself that cannot be proven scientifically. Like I said 2 + 2 =4 cannot be proven by a scientific method. Does it make it any less true, or false. Why don't you research some of your "scientific" counterparts on what they have to say about science itself? You might be shocked to learn that even they say science itself cannot be proven scientifically. Anyways, this little discussion was fun for me, I love challenging my mind and others. My mom always told me I was more than a pretty face and smile all logic and reasoning aside, I am wondering what your history is with "Love". Have you ever been in "love" before? Tell me about your past relationships, I'm hella curious.

^^ He says his assertions are based on science, when it is largely known by scientists themselves, that science in its infinite glory cannot even be proved by "Science".
I'm really done now lol.

1. Logic and Mathematical truths cannot be proven by science. Science presupposes logic and math so that to try to prove them by science would be arguing in circles.
2. Metaphysical truths like "there are other minds than my own, or the external world is real, or the past was not created five minutes ago with an appearance of age are rational beliefs that can't be scientifically proven.
3. Ethical beliefs about statements of value are not accessible by the scientific method; you can't show by science whether the Nazi scientists in concentration camps did anything evil as opposed to the scientists in Western democracy.
4. Aesthetic judgments cannot be accessed by the scientific method because the beautiful, like the good, cannot be scientifically proven, and finally and most remarkably, 5. Science itself cannot be justified by the scientific method. Science is permeated with unprovable assumptions. For example, in The Special Theory of Relativity; the whole theory hinges on the assumption that the speed of light is constant in a one way direction between any two points "A and B". But that strictly cannot be proven! We simply have to assume that in order to uphold to the theory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkBD20edOco&feature=player_embedded#at=99



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Claremont why is it so important for things to be scientifically proven. Do you know that there are many things that can't be scientifically proven, yet are completely rational and logical; science itself is one!!lol

Ok, 190 You are kinda cute, I see you!

@owo I know I love this stuff too, If you cannot see my passion in my other posts, lol But yeahh I agree with you.!

@claremont let's just agree to disagree, I know what I know and I believe what I believe. My question is what is the big harm in believing in love, or "God" as you put it? If you believe these things don't exist, then go about your business and do you boo. There's no need to put us down or call on our delusions. It's unnecessary for you to rant and rave about how this and that doesn't exist, its like you are seeking validation for yourself. You're the one who seems all worked up over something so subjective. I got an idea why don't you live a little, and love a little, lol I'll live with my "delusions" and live a fulfilling life. Thank you very much. I still love you though. *hugs harder*

pendo89, oh so he does this often lol. I must admit its entertaining. I've been taught to express my opinion while respecting and listening to others. Everything he said was valid. And I love hearing others people's opinions on topics like this. I think its good for healthy dialogue. I respect his opinion while i might not agree with them, but I will not continue back and forth. I have said my peace, and I am happy with what I feel and know.

Claremont, I think you have a definite right to your opinions and belief, but I think we do to. To tell us that love does not exist because there is no objective definition is unfair. I love everyday, and it is very real to me. I love you Claremont *hugs*

^^ Aaah yes I definitely know Dopamine is one. You are right though I might be mixing up my chemicals. I can't think of the fourth one though, I've only taken a couple neuropsych courses, and it is the summer lol. But yes now that I think of it Vasopression isn't one, I think I'm mixing my psych terms with physiology terms, My bad thanks for clarifying.

^^ I thought vasopressions was a euphoria inducing chemical, thus producing the feeling of being in love? *shrugs*  I could be wrong though. I agree with everything else you said though. I was just explaining how it can also be scientifically proven just like everything else.

With that being said, basically our brains are what falls in love, not our "hearts". But some say the heart is also related because some activation of the brain can generate simulations of the heart, such as "butterflies in the stomach"

Claremont while I appreciate your ideas I disagree with them. Love is actually scientifically proven, I've read many studies on that particular topic. Granted, what you said is true about it being an animal instinct, it is also what separates us from animals. Just because apes can't love doesn't mean we can't. Actually love is a real feeling and emotion caused by certain neurological hormones; dopamine, oxytocin, adrenalin, and, I can't remember the other one, I think its  vasopression(sp?) anyways when humans "fall in love" those hormones are released, now to say that that's what causes love would be presumptuous. There are other factors such as environment, personality, etc.

^^talina yup. Exactly. I think humans try and reason too much. But fear should not be in conjunction with falling in love, fear is to help alert a dangerous or risky situation. And we should be swept away by love, driven by passion, and lulled into romance.

@claremont, By bad was that confusing? I was trying to say the love depends on the individual (subjective) and its not definable by a certain set of rules and standards. LOL is that more clear?

But I think the biggest fear of falling in love comes from the fear of loss. While it may be the most obvious, and perhaps most common, fear about love, it is also the most self-defeating, because the person ends up avoiding love out of fear of losing it. Which is why I think the saying "it is better to have love and lost, then never to have loved at all", is complete bull-s*** actually our natural mental instincts would be to avoid love it if we have any indication it will end up in loss. Loss is one of the biggest psychological fear.