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Usenokpevbo:
ilushis people are Igala and they mostly identify as Esans. Igala is said to be Yoruboid, shares 64 percent lexical similarity with Yoruba.



Ekpon,an Esan group is heavily laced with ika, Uromi now uses the ch instead of k, that is not Edo.

My point here is this there is no pure group anywhere, i am very sure you don’t speak Edo and you are not in a place to say which is pure or which is not unless you are not sincere or you have a motive. Esan and Bini are almost identical. 1 -100 in both dialects are the same. How did you come up with the pure and impure narratives when we as Binis can almost hear 80 % at the very least depending on the clan for some it is more of what an Esan man is saying

I would wish you mention some of those “yoruba” words in Bini that is not in Esan, let’s verify,

Many other of those words are cognates
With careful research, you will be shocked to find out 50-60% or more are cognates between Yoruba-Igbo-Edo. Don’t be decieved

Your point is quite understood here. Some of these Ilushis people are even bearing Yoruba names pointing to migrants from Lokoja or other parts of Kogi. Example Igala and Yoruba (Okun) are co-owner of towns in Kogi eg Lokoja. Some Igala and Ebira people often bear Yoruba names because of these close proximity or adaptation to the Yoruba. This is obvious in Ilushis. It means they're Esan+Igala+Yoruba.

In my previous comments I said Yoruba, Esan, Bini, Urobos and part of Igbo are from Pa Idu that migrated from Yoruba areas of Kogi and Osun making it unacceptable to call a Bini tribe Pa idu tribe but yet still we have unadulterated Esan people like Uromi, Ekpoma etc. many Esan in Igodomigodo now extinct or assimilated into different cultures by modern Bini tribe.

Usenokpevbo:
Esans that are mixed with ika in Ekpon, mixed with Igala in Ilushi, Have droves of Igbo migrations in Uromi is not mixed ?
Or is it Yoruba that has loads of Edo mixture in Eastern yorubaland, loads of Fulani mixture in Ilorin, loads and loads of Bariba mixture in Ogbomosho, have mixture of returnee slaves in Lagos that is not mixed?

Esan is not mixed with Igala. When Bini wants to lie they will claim a Yoruboid group is involved. Igala language is 50% Yoruba while Itsekiris language is 70% lukumi is 75 percent. I cannot get lost when they're talking. Esan is purely distinct language devoid of all Yoruboid words. It needs preservation. It is unique

If you get any common words that is Esan being used in Yoruba it is own by Esan people e.g

Agbede means blacksmith in Yoruba.. We normally think is our word but I traced the origin to Esan.
Agogo means bells

Bini tribes has several Yoruba words they now think is theirs too lazy to find out the origin.

Usenokpevbo:
you seem very emotional about this subject, i am from this very tribe you talk about, you seem like one who will not concede in the face of overwhelming evidence, should i bother convincing you or i should leave this subject. Are you affiliated to Esan or are you married to one

Truly have lived in Benin for years before i traveled to live with Esan people they told me a lot of history about the Bini. I am from the Yoruba tribe.
The sad part is by tomorrow that maxwell of Oba of Bini palace will browse the internet and use nairaland comments to rewrite a fake Bini history through falsification to make it look like he's version is genuine.
The tribe Benin people got their name from the name of their town Ile-Ibinu. After Oranmiyan left after spending like ten years as the First Oba of Bini.

When Oba of Bini came to tell the wrong history that he founded Lagos. We Yoruba tried not to be violent or insult him. No be say we no get craze o. na still respect we give am just because we know his source but pitied him cause he's being ignorant in public. By the time he say it another time. He will loose all his respect and we will relegate him to ordinary Ogiso. He will have to remove his crown before he enters any Yoruba Oba palace.

Usenokpevbo:
Bini as a tribe was already in existence before the coming of Oranmiyan.As a tribe, Esans are offshoot of Bini

Binis are offshoots of Esan. Esans are the actual Aborigines.
You cannot tell traditional Esan person this he or she will completely disagree this with you. Esans are purely Edo tribe you're mixture of tribes.

Usenokpevbo:
Bini as a tribe was already in existence before the coming of Oranmiyan.As a tribe, Esans are offshoot of Bini

Bini was never in existence. We have been saying it on nairaland since 5 years ago. Maxwell your fake historian saw it and falsified another history to tell Benin people that Bini has been in existence even before Igodomigodo dynasty.

I repeat there was no Bini or Ubini it was Igodomigodos of many tribes at the time. The Iduland tribes eg. Esan, Itsekiris, Ijaw, Igbo, Akoko edos languages, Afenmai and Yoruba These towns will soon tell their factual histories. You people will soon find out you are left out and well isolated from truth soonest.
All the propagandas history you're spreading, is only 50% of Bini people that are ignorantly believing it. You're going to put them all shames soon in few years to come. You people are second to Igbo in terms of acts.

Bini became a tribe when Oranmiyan from Ife a foreigner came to unite Igodomigodo tribes with his own tribe.
We know all the truth you people are trying to dodge. You think we don't know how much you're be paid to falsified falsehood on internet? Esan people are the Aborigines of Bini. Truth

UGBE634:
Are you mad? What else do you want from me

My points is succinct and clear, if you have a brain, it is so easy to comprehend.

The Ogiamen are not less Binis, they are even more, their opinions should matter to you too. They have a different opinion on that issue

Why are you so mad about what he said certainly correct go and look them up.he defeated you in your argument. Why you modern tribe of Bini wants everything to go your way. You have a lot of similarities with the Igbos but is the negative ones.

UGBE634:
you have apex ignorance, have you even bothered to find out how the Esans got the name Esan in the first place, the Word Esan means they fled, it is a Bini word . Before the coming of Oranmiyan, we were called Ivbi-idu. Idu people. That is the earliest name of the Edo people , we still occasionally call ourselves that today

There are no Yoruba group in Edo state, in Akoko Edo, you have Okpamheri, Ososo, Uneme, Akuku,Okpe, none of them are Yoruboid linguistically. At least their first language has been studied and seen to be Edoid. Go and read comparative Edoid by Ben Elugbe. They only speak Yoruba as a second language to cope with their immediate Yoruba neighbors they are surrounded by. They are Edos living close to the Akoko area of the Yorubas and we see them as Edos


Edo is not related to Yoruba or rather the relationship Edo has with Yoruba is not innate or rather a blood related affiliation, it is geared more towards association, just like the French and English. So you can’t hear what we are saying

Usen in Edo was founded by Oranmiyan senior brother by seeing this I know your historian (Yoruba Haters) will now go to their village to falsify their history for them. Usen founded about eight other towns and are in Benin today. Their first language were Ife dialect.

Idu people is not an ethnic group it comprises the Urohbo, Yoruba, Esan, Ijaw even Igbo they migrated from Yoruba land area of Kogi and Osun to their respective lands is multi ethnicity not a tribe. Esan are more Idu people compared to you
You need to tell me your tribe before you became Bini

UGBE634:
Benin is a single tribe with influence from other tribe just like Yoruba with influence and migrations from Bariba, Nupe, Edo, Fulani, returnee slaves from other countries and all.


You guys like to regurgitate things in ignorance, you read and listen to nonsense online and regurgitate without research. There is no Esan community older than urhonigbe or Udo and these are pure Bini communities. I dare you there is almost no word that is in the Bini lexicon, that is not also in Esan, yet again many of these words are cognates between Edo/Igbo/yoruba, e.g Okhorkor, Ologbo etc an ignorant person will just observe for Edo and Yoruba and not bother to check Igbo if there is a version of it there and assume it was borrowed.If you understand Edo, even if it is two percent, you will know Esan is the corruption and not Edo. If you observe how these clans migrated from Benin, the period in view, you would find out that the closest to Benin linguistically in Esanland according to their oral accounts migrated the latest.Igueben, Urohi till today is still 85 to 90 percent Bini.

Bini or Edo is a full tribe with linguistic presence in about 8,500km square expanse of land. Esan is spoken in a little under 3000 km 2 of land.tell me which is more dominant and visible. Oranmiyan’s presence does not extend beyond Benin city and a section of the western part,(bear in mind that90% of Binis residents in Benin city are from other Bini villages and towns,)In fact Oranmiyan sank in the Edo sea on ground.

Esan does not have an Ogiso, at best they experienced it with us, again Ogiso is peculiar to Bini/Edo. If Esan is to replicate in writing, it would be Ojiso, then the Urhobos would be Oviso,these are the three largest Edo groups in the Edoid linguistic space. That would already cement Edo/Bini as one of the three major languages in the Edoid linguistic space with it own unique pattern and structure.

This is corroborated by the fact that the Olu of Warri that migrated in the fifteenth century is styled the Bini title of king “Ogie” and not Ovie or Ojie the Urhobo and Esan version respectively. He is titled Ogiame tsuo and not Ojiame or Oviame, that is an Edo/Bini linguistic marker

The major tribe ancient Bini people came from is the Ishan or Esan. Can you tell me the name of your tribe before Oranmiyan came to Igodomigodo? Please answer this question.

Esans are the Aborigines of Igodomigodo( present day Benin) bf Ile-Ife people migrated and seized it via Oba. The Itsekiris are more related to Yoruba compared to Edo. Let an Itsekiri speak I will understand as a Yoruba. If an itsekiri speak an Esan, Edo or Ijaw part of your ancestors will not understand.

Go to the Akoko Edos, many bears Yoruba names and its part of their traditions. Many part of Edo still speaks Yoruba language till today. You think we are not aware how cruel you people are to them?

Now tell me the name of your tribe before Oranmiyan came to Igodomigodo? You people calling yourself Bini today are descendants of Esan plus Yoruba. Period!

Peter Obi na fraud real Nigerians carefully avoided. He's enjoying the money Igbo people and Edo people contributed for him during last year election.

Ndi Private jets

Good2go1:
You called yourself a friend and you are dragging his family to the public. I daught you know the meaning of friendship

Wettin concern you?

AreaFada2:
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I can give you 10 towns founded by Yoruba in Edo state but Yoruba are just not claiming they own the state.

AreaFada2:
I know we are on an anonymous forum where people can type anything, but if you are serious to know, pm me and I will give you places founded in SW by Benin people and still acknowledged by monarchs in the area till today. It's better you find out yourself. You can go, send someone or make simple phone calls to check. Don't say anyone already told you. Just appear as a curious person. At least this is simple enough.

First and foremost Benin is not a single tribe is combination of tribes of Esan, Ijaw, Idu and Yoruba people's merger. The Aborigines of Igodomigodo are the Esan people. before, many Yoruba had migrated into it and requested for a king from Ile-Ife to come and rule them. Oranmiyan a Yoruba prince and warrior came and defeated the Esan's Ogiso and chiefs of Igodomigodo. To make it a Yoruba town, he renamed the town he ruled Ile Ibinu in Yoruba language and imposed Obaship a Yoruba title on his new territory in an attempt to make it a Yoruba land just like other territories and towns founded by many Ile-ife princes
Till today Bini has a lot of Yoruba words used with Esan and other Igodomigodo languages.

Oranmiyan founded the new tribe "Bini" that is composition of Igodomigodo tribes eg Yoruba, Esan, Ijaw and Idu people. These combination of cultures and tradition is what you're calling Bini today.
Bini people are not of a single tribe. Yoruba played a vital role on Ile ibinu cultures and traditions.
In fact, many Yoruba sees it as a Yoruba land till today.

AreaFada2:
I have said for years that unless our Yoruba people come up with a more objective and credible story on Ododuwa, objective outsiders will consider Edo version way more credible. Even by many diaspora Yoruba that were not fed on tribalism. They will seek to know what is more scientifically plausible. But I was shouted down. It's beginning to happen.

Oduduwa was a Yoruba king from Ile-ife was more credible than that.

PoliteActivist:
Seems Binis founded all major cities in Yoruba

Na Bini founded China and Japan including Indonesia.

Binis did not found anywhere in South West

Good2go1:
I thought Yorubas don't commit crimes

Ipob is involved

Na thrue tok o. Akeredolu bleeped an Igbo woman like many Yoruba demons. Congratulations to all Igbo for that.

Kindly help me with the meaning of liquidated used in the context


No insult

legitnow1:
OBA OF BENIN DISCOVERED LAGOS.



OBA OF BENIN IS ON RECORD AS TRAVELLING BY RIVER AND THE PROXIMITY TO LAGOS IS VERY NEAR.

He never discovered Lagos. Several towns in Edo were discovered and founded by Yoruba the king should go and mentioned it

OVB123:
Look at who is talking. Where is the person that fell from the sky from, and with chains?

That's Ogiso "the king of the sky"

OVB123:
This is the effect of Oba of benin visit to Lagos state governor, by the time he visit Oba of Lagos, some people just collapse and die.

Thank God you called it Oba of Benin not Ogiso of Benin.
Both of them are of Yoruba origin. Yoruba founded Ile-ibinu. If Oba doesn't want to discus it a superior to Oba of Benin will do it.

OVB123:
Please don't be angry when will talk about the ownership of lagos state.

Whose angry I'm sure you can see that's is still within the Obaship not that Ogiso founded Lagos

Why is Oba of Bini vocal about who founded Eko (Part of Lagos state) but chose to be silent about how ile-Ife Yoruba founded Benin?
Oba of Benin's journey to Lagos will be unnecessary if he doesn't put that records straight and delete the accounts of Elkaladerans fabricated history not even supported by Yoruba and Ogiamien people.

Oba of Ile-Ibinu is affiliated to Ile-ife just like Oba Akinolu of Lagos has affiliation to Oba Bini palace all is YORUBA +YORUBA = YORUBA. Please let's put the record straight here.

A River that forgets is source will surely dry up.

thomasjoe:
Most truths are but half lies !
Kindly do your personal research on the name Izoduwa / Ekhaladeran to connect the missing dots.
The Bini people still have a festival to commemorate Ekhaladerans exit and wandering into Uhe ( which is now called Ife)...
Isnt it funny your people claim Oduduwa came from heaven with a chain ? When we Binis know where he is from ?

Ekhaladerans was killed by the Ogiso of Igodomigodo He never got to Uhe.
Ekhaladeran was not d father of Oranmiyan. Is not Oduduwa that gave birth to Oranmiyan.
Oduduwa coming down by chain is from Yoruba religion not d actual history.
The historian that wrote about Ekjaderan story must be drunk on cheap palmwine. 100% Yoruba, Itsekiris, Ogiamien, Akoko Edo, Akoko Ondo, Lukumi etc don't believe in it.

OVB123:
If that is true, then be happy that benin are the owner of lagos state. Why are you so bitter?

Yes I'm happy Binis are Yoruba

Rexymania:
Wants to protect the interest of Edo people in Lagos

He wants to protect d interest of Yoruba people in Lagos. If your eyes are opened you will see Yoruba's cultural being displayed by d Edo's only in another language.

OVB123:
The Owner of Eko has arrived. Well come Umogun, Ovbie Keneke ma-deyo, Ovbie-Oba Evonramen Nogbaisi, Ovbie Akenzua nu Isinorho, Ovbie-Erediauwa no-renedohia. Ekpeneriebe. May your days be long on the throne of your fore-fathers. Oba-khator-kpere, Ise!

Yet Yoruba is the owner of Ile-ibinu. Our Prince from Uhe took that land from d Igodomigodos.

paxx:
we igbos love Amala. and we dont want to claim it. we know how to enjoy other peoples culture without claiming it. unlike some people who cant stand the fact that igbos invented egusi.

No be Igbo get Egunsi.
Egunsi is never Igbo word have been saying this for years on this forum. You were born and raised listening people calling it "Egunsi" for the meaning of Egunsi to be completed you must not remove the "n" Ugwu" is not Yoruba even though Yoruba people call it Ugwu.

Omobude244:
eyah

u can do more than that
call me chinedu omobuchuckwu
if u can tag a whole JIMI AGBAJE as igbo, who am i
i just pray u have sense before it is too late

Jimi Agbaje has failed severely in his quest because he was looking for Igbo votes they will come all out and insult their own tribe for fact they want power.

Omobude244:
lolz
Ewee
so i am not from Edo

eyah
everyone one telling u the truth is igbo
proper ozuor

Chinedu shebi u dey follow your brother drag Lagos continue. Since your people have joined Igbo train have you not Lule?

Omobude244:
lolz
nooo i prefer omobuchukwu
ozuor

u better grow sense

If u no d meaning of ozuor in Edo you won't make it your Surname.