Usenokpevbo:
you seem very emotional about this subject, i am from this very tribe you talk about, you seem like one who will not concede in the face of overwhelming evidence, should i bother convincing you or i should leave this subject. Are you affiliated to Esan or are you married to one

funmijoyb:

Truly have lived in Benin for years before i traveled to live with Esan people they told me a lot of history about the Bini. I am from the Yoruba tribe.

Usenokpevbo:
Esans that are mixed with ika in Ekpon, mixed with Igala in Ilushi, Have droves of Igbo migrations in Uromi is not mixed ?
Or is it Yoruba that has loads of Edo mixture in Eastern yorubaland, loads of Fulani mixture in Ilorin, loads and loads of Bariba mixture in Ogbomosho, have mixture of returnee slaves in Lagos that is not mixed?

funmijoyb:

Esan is not mixed with Igala. When Bini wants to lie they will claim a Yoruboid group is involved. Igala language is 50% Yoruba while Itsekiris language is 70% lukumi is 75 percent. I cannot get lost when they're talking. Esan is purely distinct language devoid of all Yoruboid words. It needs preservation. It is unique

If you get any common words that is Esan being used in Yoruba it is own by Esan people e.g

Agbede means blacksmith in Yoruba.. We normally think is our word but I traced the origin to Esan.
Agogo means bells

Bini tribes has several Yoruba words they now think is theirs too lazy to find out the origin.

funmijoyb:

Truly have lived in Benin for years before i traveled to live with Esan people they told me a lot of history about the Bini. I am from the Yoruba tribe.

Usenokpevbo:
ilushis people are Igala and they mostly identify as Esans. Igala is said to be Yoruboid, shares 64 percent lexical similarity with Yoruba.



Ekpon,an Esan group is heavily laced with ika, Uromi now uses the ch instead of k, that is not Edo.

My point here is this there is no pure group anywhere, i am very sure you don’t speak Edo and you are not in a place to say which is pure or which is not unless you are not sincere or you have a motive. Esan and Bini are almost identical. 1 -100 in both dialects are the same. How did you come up with the pure and impure narratives when we as Binis can almost hear 80 % at the very least depending on the clan for some it is more of what an Esan man is saying

I would wish you mention some of those “yoruba” words in Bini that is not in Esan, let’s verify,

Many other of those words are cognates
With careful research, you will be shocked to find out 50-60% or more are cognates between Yoruba-Igbo-Edo. Don’t be decieved

funmijoyb:

Your point is quite understood here. Some of these Ilushis people are even bearing Yoruba names pointing to migrants from Lokoja or other parts of Kogi. Example Igala and Yoruba (Okun) are co-owner of towns in Kogi eg Lokoja. Some Igala and Ebira people often bear Yoruba names because of these close proximity or adaptation to the Yoruba. This is obvious in Ilushis. It means they're Esan+Igala+Yoruba.

In my previous comments I said Yoruba, Esan, Bini, Urobos and part of Igbo are from Pa Idu that migrated from Yoruba areas of Kogi and Osun making it unacceptable to call a Bini tribe Pa idu tribe but yet still we have unadulterated Esan people like Uromi, Ekpoma etc. many Esan in Igodomigodo now extinct or assimilated into different cultures by modern Bini tribe.

Usenokpevbo:
do you have any proof that These groups migrated from Kogi and Osun to form Bini

What are your proofs these groups formed Bini?

Usenokpevbo:
do you have any proof that These groups migrated from Kogi and Osun to form Bini

What are your proofs these groups formed Bini?

funmijoyb:


The subgroups formed Igodomigodo but later Oranmiyan came and found Benin which is today Igodomigodo subgroups plus Yoruba of present Kogi and Osun.

samuk:


For the Sake of those that may be mislead by you guys.

1. Uhe (Ife) has nothing to do with Osun, Osun state is not mentioned anywhere in the story of Pa Idu, do not smuggle Osun state into the story. The story only referred to Kogi/Benin relationship. Osun state was not mentioned. The story of Pa Idu referred to another Ife in Kogi state not the Ife in Osun state.

2. I read Oba Erediawa book when it came out many years ago, I cannot remember seeing were he claimed that Obagodo or Ogiso had any relationship with Ife. I have the book somewhere but I will not bother looking for it, because if such was written in the book I would have remembered. If you have prove, screenshot the page and paste it here for all your see.

3. Even the palace version that acknowledged Oranmiyan in Benin, said he was there for only three months before he left because he didn't understand the language, tradition and customs of the Benin people. How did Oranmiyan found Benin when he met people on ground that he did understand their ways.

4. Benin palace said Oranmiyan was sent for because he was a Benin prince because he was the son/grandson of Ekaladerhan AKA Oduduwa.

5. Even if the story is true, nobody or tribe send for a total stranger to govern them.

6. Oranmiyan didn't bring war into Benin because Ife didn't have such army recorded in that period.

7. Ife and the entire yoruba people didn't haven independent eyewitnesses recorded history until 1824.

8. Yoruba independent European eyewitness historical accounts began in 1824.

9. Benin independent European eyewitness historical accounts began in late 1400s.

10. The gap between Benin history and yoruba history is 400 years. Benin history is 400 years older than yoruba verifiable history.

11. Whatever claims yoruba make, they will not be able to back it up with evidence that is older than 1824.

12. Benin can back up her history to the 1400s.

13. Benin history is far older than yoruba history.

14. All the dates associated with Oranmiyan and Oduduwa are provided by Benin because Benin history is much older than yoruba history whose records started in 1824. Yoruba rely on Benin for Oranmiyan and Oduduwa dates.

funmijoyb:
Yoruba words in Bini sometimes corrupted to Edo sounding...

Yoruba. Bini

Omo Omo


Oba. Oba. King

funmijoyb:
Yoruba words in Bini sometimes corrupted to Edo sounding...

Yoruba. Bini
Aje. Axen. Witch



Ologbo. Ologbo. Cat

funmijoyb:




Ogede. Ogede. Plantain

Igbo. Ugbo. Farm/Bush

funmijoyb:



Yoruba Bini

Ishu. Ishu. Pounded yam/ Yam

Adiye. Adiye. Chicken

funmijoyb:
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Iye/Iya. Iye. Mother

Ada. Ada. Cutlass

Pepeye. Pepeye. Duck

Uyi. Uyi. Respect

Elede. Elede. Pig

funmijoyb:


The proof is the Origin of Pa idu tribes account of the story.

The Bini, Esan, Ijaw and Igbo of Onitsha have same accounts of Pa Idu migrated from (Uhe) Ile-Ife kingdom. That's Kogi and Osun when they were One.

Ijaw for example claimed Oduduwa as a result of Pa Idu.

funmijoyb:

First and foremost Benin is not a single tribe is combination of tribes of Esan, Ijaw, Idu and Yoruba people's merger. The Aborigines of Igodomigodo are the Esan people. before, many Yoruba had migrated into it and requested for a king from Ile-Ife to come and rule them. Oranmiyan a Yoruba prince and warrior came and defeated the Esan's Ogiso and chiefs of Igodomigodo. To make it a Yoruba town, he renamed the town he ruled Ile Ibinu in Yoruba language and imposed Obaship a Yoruba title on his new territory in an attempt to make it a Yoruba land just like other territories and towns founded by many Ile-ife princes
Till today Bini has a lot of Yoruba words used with Esan and other Igodomigodo languages.

Oranmiyan founded the new tribe "Bini" that is composition of Igodomigodo tribes eg Yoruba, Esan, Ijaw and Idu people. These combination of cultures and tradition is what you're calling Bini today.
Bini people are not of a single tribe. Yoruba played a vital role on Ile ibinu cultures and traditions.
In fact, many Yoruba sees it as a Yoruba land till today.

AreaFada2:



I can see you follow some Esan nationalists, some Ogiamie people and others online.
Nothing like Esan until they left Benin. It was a name given them for leaving.

Now, no tribe is totally homogeneous. Yoruba as a name didn't even exist 350 years ago and Yoruba people of today are even more diverse genetically that most tribes: Tapa, Benin, Gbagyi, Hausa and others are all there.

Yes, Yoruba now has more cultural homogeneity but largely driven by politics. Having learnt from the civil wars that devasted Yorubaland in the 18th and 19th centuries.

You need to know that Benin people do not call themselves Benin. It doesn't exist as an identity. It is Ovbi-Edo. Unu no z'Edo (Edo speaker).
Benin as a name was never forced on Edo and not even used traditionally by the people. Outsiders used the name in the way we call Japan or China those names. Japanese and Chinese don't call themselves those names.

Oranmiyan never waged any war. He was a Benin prince via his dad, Prince Ekaladerhan/Izoduwa.

All Benin wars are carefully documented in art, songs and poetry. Even those wars in which Benin suffered quite considerable losses.

This is the insincerity I find in our SW people. I said I will give you 2 solid places in SW verifiably founded by Benin people, to do at your own leisure and you now shifted position. There are many more places of course. It means you are not in reality interested in the truth at all. You seem afraid to confirm the fact because it won't fit into your narrative.

AutomaticMotors
Gregyboy
Ghostwon
samuk

funmijoyb:

Bini founded no where in SW sir no sentiment attached. Go read d meaning of "Founded "
If Benin founded anywhere in SW, the titled of the king palace will be an Ogiso not Oba. We have Benin documatation of when Oranmiyan came to Benin...he came on Eshin (horse) he was the one that introduced horse to Benin. Ekaladeran ended in Esan land not Yoruba land go and ask Esan people.

Have lived with truthful Edo people I know what they told me not Oba Erediawa and his son's lies.
Truth will come and disgrace Oba Benin lies very soon.
Oba Erediawa lied and falsified Bini history against the Yoruba to the extent he couldn't leave his palace. He his not in the good book of the Yoruba like his father Akensua.

AutomaticMotors:


You this Yoruba people no dey tire with your lies and comical fairytales? Beginning of 2024 just look at the rubbish you typed! Mr man look at the reply you quoted and look at your post? Look at it twice and tell me you are not ashamed of your IQ deficiency..... You all are beyond saving by God at this point.... Rubbish

funmijoyb:

Why are u so mad cause of the truth...Oba Akenzua was the last real Oba of Benin the rest are impostors of Ogiso.

AutomaticMotors:


You this Yoruba people no dey tire with your lies and comical fairytales? Beginning of 2024 just look at the rubbish you typed! Mr man look at the reply you quoted and look at your post? Look at it twice and tell me you are not ashamed of your IQ deficiency..... You all are beyond saving by God at this point.... Rubbish

AreaFada2:




Now, no tribe is totally homogeneous. Yoruba as a name didn't even exist 350 years ago and Yoruba people of today are even more diverse genetically than most tribes: Tapa, Benin, Gbagyi, Hausa and others are all there.

Yes, Yoruba now has more cultural homogeneity but largely driven by politics. Having learnt from the civil wars that devasted Yorubaland in the 18th and 19th centuries.

Usenokpevbo:
Us


Yoruba BINI
IYE/IYA IYE mother This is true, this one was certainly gotten from Ekiti, we related with them, founded a lot of towns there. Ekiti call it IYE.

Ada Ada Cutlass. Ada is not the word for cutlass in Bini, it is opia, it is called the same in Esan and Urhobo. Ada is a sword, we do not use it today because no one uses sword for anything except for fighting in those days.

Iyi Uyi Respect. I will give you this. The Esan uses the word Tiger (Ekpen)as a pictorial representation of respect and that is totally intelligible to the Binis

Elede Elede Pig . It is correct, it is also used in Esan alongside with Une

Pepeye Ekpekpeye. It is also the same in Esan, it is not peculiar to Bini alone. This video is an expose on that


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZsQ85BEjq4?si=oCT0gVjESZ_-7IcA
Anywhere from three minutes

samuk:
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2023/12/the-benin-prince-who-founded-ile-ife/

funmijoyb:

First and foremost Benin is not a single tribe is combination of tribes of Esan, Ijaw, Idu and Yoruba people's merger. The Aborigines of Igodomigodo are the Esan people. before, many Yoruba had migrated into it and requested for a king from Ile-Ife to come and rule them. Oranmiyan a Yoruba prince and warrior came and defeated the Esan's Ogiso and chiefs of Igodomigodo. To make it a Yoruba town, he renamed the town he ruled Ile Ibinu in Yoruba language and imposed Obaship a Yoruba title on his new territory in an attempt to make it a Yoruba land just like other territories and towns founded by many Ile-ife princes
Till today Bini has a lot of Yoruba words used with Esan and other Igodomigodo languages.

Oranmiyan founded the new tribe "Bini" that is composition of Igodomigodo tribes eg Yoruba, Esan, Ijaw and Idu people. These combination of cultures and tradition is what you're calling Bini today.
Bini people are not of a single tribe. Yoruba played a vital role on Ile ibinu cultures and traditions.
In fact, many Yoruba sees it as a Yoruba land till today.

funmijoyb:

I can give you 10 towns founded by Yoruba in Edo state but Yoruba are just not claiming they own the state.