I think there was a misunderstandings BTW Oba of Bini and an Esan King that prompted the Esan king or chief to report Oba of Bini to the then Ooni of Ife.

CameroonPepper:


Esan belongs to Benin.

You're very ridiculous. Benin belong to the Esan tribe before Oranmiyan and Ife soldiers seized it from the Esan.

Osimen is from Esan but raised in Lagos Yoruba land. If Osihmen for come frm Bini or Abakaliki are we going to hear words again?

JDJDjD:

2019 election was a contest between North and North
2023, north has already rule for 8yrs
Know the difference and get sense
Tinubu truncated the 8yrs tenure of the south to support Buhari

Tinubu truncated GEJ that betrayed and insulted Yoruba with his Igbo supporters.

JDJDjD:

Tinubu would have left APC if he didn't get the ticket
He is not different
He sold the entire South for his selfish ambition

CORRECTION
He didn't SOLD SOUTH SOUTH AND SOUTH EAST. the SS and SE sold themselves I guess.

Even d tribe that founded these confraternities are not killing themselves like this.

Fubara must be careful of wike na inteligent and smart man also be careful of online Ipob thinking people that will be pushing you down into the den of failure. Follow them you follow failure.

It is sad many have used Wike( the Jagaban of South South) for their advantage and dump him e.g Obaseki of Edo.

Super falcons will thrash these Super eagles I dey see so.

IjawUnited:
Evidence with Video.


I see many Yoruba confused and claim he's from their land... The stealing from Ijaw land must be stopped!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gVT8p8m9Zo?feature=shared

I don't know Damini and Ebunoluwa is Ijaw name.
There's no stealing Buna is known for stealing.

AutomaticMotors:


You this Yoruba people no dey tire with your lies and comical fairytales? Beginning of 2024 just look at the rubbish you typed! Mr man look at the reply you quoted and look at your post? Look at it twice and tell me you are not ashamed of your IQ deficiency..... You all are beyond saving by God at this point.... Rubbish

I am telling the truth you're getting angry who your anger help? Go to Lagos and tell the Yoruba their Oba of Benin founded them they will disagree and flog you out of Lagos.

AutomaticMotors:


You this Yoruba people no dey tire with your lies and comical fairytales? Beginning of 2024 just look at the rubbish you typed! Mr man look at the reply you quoted and look at your post? Look at it twice and tell me you are not ashamed of your IQ deficiency..... You all are beyond saving by God at this point.... Rubbish

Why are u so mad cause of the truth...Oba Akenzua was the last real Oba of Benin the rest are impostors of Ogiso.

AreaFada2:



I can see you follow some Esan nationalists, some Ogiamie people and others online.
Nothing like Esan until they left Benin. It was a name given them for leaving.

Now, no tribe is totally homogeneous. Yoruba as a name didn't even exist 350 years ago and Yoruba people of today are even more diverse genetically that most tribes: Tapa, Benin, Gbagyi, Hausa and others are all there.

Yes, Yoruba now has more cultural homogeneity but largely driven by politics. Having learnt from the civil wars that devasted Yorubaland in the 18th and 19th centuries.

You need to know that Benin people do not call themselves Benin. It doesn't exist as an identity. It is Ovbi-Edo. Unu no z'Edo (Edo speaker).
Benin as a name was never forced on Edo and not even used traditionally by the people. Outsiders used the name in the way we call Japan or China those names. Japanese and Chinese don't call themselves those names.

Oranmiyan never waged any war. He was a Benin prince via his dad, Prince Ekaladerhan/Izoduwa.

All Benin wars are carefully documented in art, songs and poetry. Even those wars in which Benin suffered quite considerable losses.

This is the insincerity I find in our SW people. I said I will give you 2 solid places in SW verifiably founded by Benin people, to do at your own leisure and you now shifted position. There are many more places of course. It means you are not in reality interested in the truth at all. You seem afraid to confirm the fact because it won't fit into your narrative.

AutomaticMotors
Gregyboy
Ghostwon
samuk

Bini founded no where in SW sir no sentiment attached. Go read d meaning of "Founded "
If Benin founded anywhere in SW, the titled of the king palace will be an Ogiso not Oba. We have Benin documentation of when Oranmiyan came to Benin...he came on Eshin (horse) he was the one that introduced horse to Benin. Ekaladeran ended in Esan land not Yoruba land go and ask Esan people.

Have lived with truthful Edo people I know what they told me not Oba Erediawa and his son's lies.
Truth will come and disgrace Oba Benin lies very soon.
Oba Erediawa lied and falsified Bini history against the Yoruba to the extent he couldn't travel out of his palace . He his not in the good book of the Yoruba like his father Akensua.

samuk:


For the Sake of those that may be mislead by you guys.

1. Uhe (Ife) has nothing to do with Osun, Osun state is not mentioned anywhere in the story of Pa Idu, do not smuggle Osun state into the story. The story only referred to Kogi/Benin relationship. Osun state was not mentioned. The story of Pa Idu referred to another Ife in Kogi state not the Ife in Osun state.

2. I read Oba Erediawa book when it came out many years ago, I cannot remember seeing were he claimed that Obagodo or Ogiso had any relationship with Ife. I have the book somewhere but I will not bother looking for it, because if such was written in the book I would have remembered. If you have prove, screenshot the page and paste it here for all your see.

3. Even the palace version that acknowledged Oranmiyan in Benin, said he was there for only three months before he left because he didn't understand the language, tradition and customs of the Benin people. How did Oranmiyan found Benin when he met people on ground that he did understand their ways.

4. Benin palace said Oranmiyan was sent for because he was a Benin prince because he was the son/grandson of Ekaladerhan AKA Oduduwa.

5. Even if the story is true, nobody or tribe send for a total stranger to govern them.

6. Oranmiyan didn't bring war into Benin because Ife didn't have such army recorded in that period.

7. Ife and the entire yoruba people didn't haven independent eyewitnesses recorded history until 1824.

8. Yoruba independent European eyewitness historical accounts began in 1824.

9. Benin independent European eyewitness historical accounts began in late 1400s.

10. The gap between Benin history and yoruba history is 400 years. Benin history is 400 years older than yoruba verifiable history.

11. Whatever claims yoruba make, they will not be able to back it up with evidence that is older than 1824.

12. Benin can back up her history to the 1400s.

13. Benin history is far older than yoruba history.

14. All the dates associated with Oranmiyan and Oduduwa are provided by Benin because Benin history is much older than yoruba history whose records started in 1824. Yoruba rely on Benin for Oranmiyan and Oduduwa dates.

Don't know why you have been switching monikers to comment on this thread but is nothing but the Igbo DNA that's in you.

1 Nothing like Kogi that period sir. The whole of Kogi towns you are referring to were under Ife. The Ebira and Igala were under Ife kingdom. There's no another Ife in Kogi. Do your research.

2. Oranmiyan ruled Benin as an Oba for over 15 years. He was still an Oba till when Eweka was about 15 years. Oranmiyan left Bini upon the demised of the then Oba of Ile-Ife and Ife people invited him back being their commander and chief warrior of Ife kingdom to come and rule them. Oranmiyan preferred to be an Ooni compared to Oba of Benin reason he resigned and left with his Bini woman and his son Ado later known as Eweka.

After he became, the sixth Ooni of Ife his throne in Benin became vacant. Benin People started missing him they sent for him to return back to Bini but he offered them his son Ado instead . Ado was later known as Eweka to be the second Oba of Benin.
At the time Eweka was fluent in Yoruba and the Aboriginal language of Edo. That paved way for him to rule the Yoruba and the Edo in Benin successfully therefore uniting them further.

The gap between Ife Kingdom and Benin kingdom is more than 5000 years before the Ogiso not even your recent Oba

Obatala dynasty of Ile ife had more than 45 kings only that their names have been forgotten in history. Obatala was the last of his dynasty and 45th king of the dynasty before Oduduwa came.

Have told you truth will come it won't take long. You Igbos in Edo will see it and be shocked.

Ordinary Bini will be dragging history with Yoruba. You people are a tribe of Yesterday.

Usenokpevbo:
do you have any proof that These groups migrated from Kogi and Osun to form Bini

What are your proofs these groups formed Bini?

The subgroups formed Igodomigodo but later Oranmiyan came and found Benin which is today Igodomigodo subgroups plus Yoruba of present Kogi and Osun.

Usenokpevbo:
do you have any proof that These groups migrated from Kogi and Osun to form Bini

What are your proofs these groups formed Bini?

The proof is the Origin of Pa idu tribes account of the story.

The Bini, Esan, Ijaw and Igbo of Onitsha have same accounts of Pa Idu migrated from (Uhe) Ile-Ife kingdom. That's Kogi and Osun when they were One.

Ijaw for example claimed Oduduwa as a result of Pa Idu.

Yoruba words in Bini sometimes corrupted to Edo sounding...

Yoruba. Bini
Aje. Axen. Witch

Oba. Oba. King

Omo Omo. Child

Ologbo. Ologbo. Cat

Ogede. Ogede. Plantain

Igbo. Ugbo. Farm/Bush

Iye/Iya. Iye. Mother

Ada. Ada. Cutlass

Pepeye. Pepeye. Duck

Iyan Iyan. Pounded yam/ Yam

Adiye. Adiye. Chicken

Uyi. Uyi. Respect

Elede. Elede. Pig

Lekeleke. Lekeleke. One kinda white bird

These are Yoruba words in Bini and there are still several more

Usenokpevbo:
ilushis people are Igala and they mostly identify as Esans. Igala is said to be Yoruboid, shares 64 percent lexical similarity with Yoruba.



Ekpon,an Esan group is heavily laced with ika, Uromi now uses the ch instead of k, that is not Edo.

My point here is this there is no pure group anywhere, i am very sure you don’t speak Edo and you are not in a place to say which is pure or which is not unless you are not sincere or you have a motive. Esan and Bini are almost identical. 1 -100 in both dialects are the same. How did you come up with the pure and impure narratives when we as Binis can almost hear 80 % at the very least depending on the clan for some it is more of what an Esan man is saying

I would wish you mention some of those “yoruba” words in Bini that is not in Esan, let’s verify,

Many other of those words are cognates
With careful research, you will be shocked to find out 50-60% or more are cognates between Yoruba-Igbo-Edo. Don’t be decieved

Your point is quite understood here. Some of these Ilushis people are even bearing Yoruba names pointing to migrants from Lokoja or other parts of Kogi. Example Igala and Yoruba (Okun) are co-owner of towns in Kogi eg Lokoja. Some Igala and Ebira people often bear Yoruba names because of these close proximity or adaptation to the Yoruba. This is obvious in Ilushis. It means they're Esan+Igala+Yoruba.

In my previous comments I said Yoruba, Esan, Bini, Urobos and part of Igbo are from Pa Idu that migrated from Yoruba areas of Kogi and Osun making it unacceptable to call a Bini tribe Pa idu tribe but yet still we have unadulterated Esan people like Uromi, Ekpoma etc. many Esan in Igodomigodo now extinct or assimilated into different cultures by modern Bini tribe.

Usenokpevbo:
Esans that are mixed with ika in Ekpon, mixed with Igala in Ilushi, Have droves of Igbo migrations in Uromi is not mixed ?
Or is it Yoruba that has loads of Edo mixture in Eastern yorubaland, loads of Fulani mixture in Ilorin, loads and loads of Bariba mixture in Ogbomosho, have mixture of returnee slaves in Lagos that is not mixed?

Esan is not mixed with Igala. When Bini wants to lie they will claim a Yoruboid group is involved. Igala language is 50% Yoruba while Itsekiris language is 70% lukumi is 75 percent. I cannot get lost when they're talking. Esan is purely distinct language devoid of all Yoruboid words. It needs preservation. It is unique

If you get any common words that is Esan being used in Yoruba it is own by Esan people e.g

Agbede means blacksmith in Yoruba.. We normally think is our word but I traced the origin to Esan.
Agogo means bells

Bini tribes has several Yoruba words they now think is theirs too lazy to find out the origin.

Usenokpevbo:
you seem very emotional about this subject, i am from this very tribe you talk about, you seem like one who will not concede in the face of overwhelming evidence, should i bother convincing you or i should leave this subject. Are you affiliated to Esan or are you married to one

Truly have lived in Benin for years before i traveled to live with Esan people they told me a lot of history about the Bini. I am from the Yoruba tribe.
The sad part is by tomorrow that maxwell of Oba of Bini palace will browse the internet and use nairaland comments to rewrite a fake Bini history through falsification to make it look like he's version is genuine.
The tribe Benin people got their name from the name of their town Ile-Ibinu. After Oranmiyan left after spending like ten years as the First Oba of Bini.

When Oba of Bini came to tell the wrong history that he founded Lagos. We Yoruba tried not to be violent or insult him. No be say we no get craze o. na still respect we give am just because we know his source but pitied him cause he's being ignorant in public. By the time he say it another time. He will loose all his respect and we will relegate him to ordinary Ogiso. He will have to remove his crown before he enters any Yoruba Oba palace.

Usenokpevbo:
Bini as a tribe was already in existence before the coming of Oranmiyan.As a tribe, Esans are offshoot of Bini

Binis are offshoots of Esan. Esans are the actual Aborigines.
You cannot tell traditional Esan person this he or she will completely disagree this with you. Esans are purely Edo tribe you're mixture of tribes.

Usenokpevbo:
Bini as a tribe was already in existence before the coming of Oranmiyan.As a tribe, Esans are offshoot of Bini

Bini was never in existence. We have been saying it on nairaland since 5 years ago. Maxwell your fake historian saw it and falsified another history to tell Benin people that Bini has been in existence even before Igodomigodo dynasty.

I repeat there was no Bini or Ubini it was Igodomigodos of many tribes at the time. The Iduland tribes eg. Esan, Itsekiris, Ijaw, Igbo, Akoko edos languages, Afenmai and Yoruba These towns will soon tell their factual histories. You people will soon find out you are left out and well isolated from truth soonest.
All the propagandas history you're spreading, is only 50% of Bini people that are ignorantly believing it. You're going to put them all shames soon in few years to come. You people are second to Igbo in terms of acts.

Bini became a tribe when Oranmiyan from Ife a foreigner came to unite Igodomigodo tribes with his own tribe.
We know all the truth you people are trying to dodge. You think we don't know how much you're be paid to falsified falsehood on internet? Esan people are the Aborigines of Bini. Truth

UGBE634:
Are you mad? What else do you want from me

My points is succinct and clear, if you have a brain, it is so easy to comprehend.

The Ogiamen are not less Binis, they are even more, their opinions should matter to you too. They have a different opinion on that issue

Why are you so mad about what he said certainly correct go and look them up.he defeated you in your argument. Why you modern tribe of Bini wants everything to go your way. You have a lot of similarities with the Igbos but is the negative ones.

UGBE634:
you have apex ignorance, have you even bothered to find out how the Esans got the name Esan in the first place, the Word Esan means they fled, it is a Bini word . Before the coming of Oranmiyan, we were called Ivbi-idu. Idu people. That is the earliest name of the Edo people , we still occasionally call ourselves that today

There are no Yoruba group in Edo state, in Akoko Edo, you have Okpamheri, Ososo, Uneme, Akuku,Okpe, none of them are Yoruboid linguistically. At least their first language has been studied and seen to be Edoid. Go and read comparative Edoid by Ben Elugbe. They only speak Yoruba as a second language to cope with their immediate Yoruba neighbors they are surrounded by. They are Edos living close to the Akoko area of the Yorubas and we see them as Edos


Edo is not related to Yoruba or rather the relationship Edo has with Yoruba is not innate or rather a blood related affiliation, it is geared more towards association, just like the French and English. So you can’t hear what we are saying

Usen in Edo was founded by Oranmiyan senior brother by seeing this I know your historian (Yoruba Haters) will now go to their village to falsify their history for them. Usen founded about eight other towns and are in Benin today. Their first language were Ife dialect.

Idu people is not an ethnic group it comprises the Urohbo, Yoruba, Esan, Ijaw even Igbo they migrated from Yoruba land area of Kogi and Osun to their respective lands is multi ethnicity not a tribe. Esan are more Idu people compared to you
You need to tell me your tribe before you became Bini

UGBE634:
Benin is a single tribe with influence from other tribe just like Yoruba with influence and migrations from Bariba, Nupe, Edo, Fulani, returnee slaves from other countries and all.


You guys like to regurgitate things in ignorance, you read and listen to nonsense online and regurgitate without research. There is no Esan community older than urhonigbe or Udo and these are pure Bini communities. I dare you there is almost no word that is in the Bini lexicon, that is not also in Esan, yet again many of these words are cognates between Edo/Igbo/yoruba, e.g Okhorkor, Ologbo etc an ignorant person will just observe for Edo and Yoruba and not bother to check Igbo if there is a version of it there and assume it was borrowed.If you understand Edo, even if it is two percent, you will know Esan is the corruption and not Edo. If you observe how these clans migrated from Benin, the period in view, you would find out that the closest to Benin linguistically in Esanland according to their oral accounts migrated the latest.Igueben, Urohi till today is still 85 to 90 percent Bini.

Bini or Edo is a full tribe with linguistic presence in about 8,500km square expanse of land. Esan is spoken in a little under 3000 km 2 of land.tell me which is more dominant and visible. Oranmiyan’s presence does not extend beyond Benin city and a section of the western part,(bear in mind that90% of Binis residents in Benin city are from other Bini villages and towns,)In fact Oranmiyan sank in the Edo sea on ground.

Esan does not have an Ogiso, at best they experienced it with us, again Ogiso is peculiar to Bini/Edo. If Esan is to replicate in writing, it would be Ojiso, then the Urhobos would be Oviso,these are the three largest Edo groups in the Edoid linguistic space. That would already cement Edo/Bini as one of the three major languages in the Edoid linguistic space with it own unique pattern and structure.

This is corroborated by the fact that the Olu of Warri that migrated in the fifteenth century is styled the Bini title of king “Ogie” and not Ovie or Ojie the Urhobo and Esan version respectively. He is titled Ogiame tsuo and not Ojiame or Oviame, that is an Edo/Bini linguistic marker

The major tribe ancient Bini people came from is the Ishan or Esan. Can you tell me the name of your tribe before Oranmiyan came to Igodomigodo? Please answer this question.

Esans are the Aborigines of Igodomigodo( present day Benin) bf Ile-Ife people migrated and seized it via Oba. The Itsekiris are more related to Yoruba compared to Edo. Let an Itsekiri speak I will understand as a Yoruba. If an itsekiri speak an Esan, Edo or Ijaw part of your ancestors will not understand.

Go to the Akoko Edos, many bears Yoruba names and its part of their traditions. Many part of Edo still speaks Yoruba language till today. You think we are not aware how cruel you people are to them?

Now tell me the name of your tribe before Oranmiyan came to Igodomigodo? You people calling yourself Bini today are descendants of Esan plus Yoruba. Period!

Peter Obi na fraud real Nigerians carefully avoided. He's enjoying the money Igbo people and Edo people contributed for him during last year election.

Ndi Private jets

Good2go1:
You called yourself a friend and you are dragging his family to the public. I daught you know the meaning of friendship

Wettin concern you?

AreaFada2:

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I can give you 10 towns founded by Yoruba in Edo state but Yoruba are just not claiming they own the state.

AreaFada2:

I know we are on an anonymous forum where people can type anything, but if you are serious to know, pm me and I will give you places founded in SW by Benin people and still acknowledged by monarchs in the area till today. It's better you find out yourself. You can go, send someone or make simple phone calls to check. Don't say anyone already told you. Just appear as a curious person. At least this is simple enough.

First and foremost Benin is not a single tribe is combination of tribes of Esan, Ijaw, Idu and Yoruba people's merger. The Aborigines of Igodomigodo are the Esan people. before, many Yoruba had migrated into it and requested for a king from Ile-Ife to come and rule them. Oranmiyan a Yoruba prince and warrior came and defeated the Esan's Ogiso and chiefs of Igodomigodo. To make it a Yoruba town, he renamed the town he ruled Ile Ibinu in Yoruba language and imposed Obaship a Yoruba title on his new territory in an attempt to make it a Yoruba land just like other territories and towns founded by many Ile-ife princes
Till today Bini has a lot of Yoruba words used with Esan and other Igodomigodo languages.

Oranmiyan founded the new tribe "Bini" that is composition of Igodomigodo tribes eg Yoruba, Esan, Ijaw and Idu people. These combination of cultures and tradition is what you're calling Bini today.
Bini people are not of a single tribe. Yoruba played a vital role on Ile ibinu cultures and traditions.
In fact, many Yoruba sees it as a Yoruba land till today.

AreaFada2:

I have said for years that unless our Yoruba people come up with a more objective and credible story on Ododuwa, objective outsiders will consider Edo version way more credible. Even by many diaspora Yoruba that were not fed on tribalism. They will seek to know what is more scientifically plausible. But I was shouted down. It's beginning to happen.

Oduduwa was a Yoruba king from Ile-ife was more credible than that.

PoliteActivist:
Seems Binis founded all major cities in Yoruba

Na Bini founded China and Japan including Indonesia.

Binis did not found anywhere in South West