Aurelius1648:


What kind of plane is that?

Henry240:

Off-course the Nigerian Air Force has a long way to go. I'm also not bragging, not just platforms, welfare of officers, operational effectiveness, healthcare, housing, schools, training which Air Force in sub-Saharan Africa has better service than the Nigerian Air Force?

Henry240:

The Nigerian Air Force under Sadique Baba Abubakar has shown immense professionalism hitherto un-heard off south of the Sahara.

Encomiums have been pouring in, to bring NAF back to the glory days of the 80's, Sadique Abubakar needs to serve for life.

I love what i'm seeing. Today we have a force that deploys Nigerian made vehicles.

gasha91:
Ethiopian defense industry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYkqRsujmg0

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYkqRsujmg0

ednited:



Thanks. . .gin wondim aydelehum. Ehit negn. Demo ke Ethiopia neh?

ednited:



I will say it again, Ethiopia probably have secrets hidden. I am not saying this because I want Ethiopia to win. I understand you if you don't get me.



Okay okay okay, let's just say we lost. . .Let's just say

But even in the Bible, there is a place where it says Egypt will turn fully desert if Egypt declare war against Ethiopia

read it

chkil0:


do you know that anyone can see your profil and all your post ? ?

and i havnt turned 180° i was only explaning history and official relations , sorry for you but i dont care about your sionist friends and egyptian issue , return to your original account , troll

.....i dont care about your sionist friends

chkil0:


my ethiopian troll follower has reappeared ! pokeball go , i m happy to have a dedicated fan account special to troll me

chkil0:


for algeria during egypt israel war 73 , It was foreseen that the Egyptians would inform the Arab countries in advance of a war , Algeria deposited around US$200 million with the Soviet Union to finance arms purchases for Egypt and Syria. before war , but egyptian launched the war without informing , or wainting other arabs forces , Algeria sent a squadron each of MiG-21s and Su-7s to Egypt , which arrived at the front between October 9 and October 11 used with egyptian pilots .

the algerian 8 armored brigade of 150 tanks and troops was sent from algeria through Tunisia , Libya road , the advance elements of which began to arrive on October 17, but reached the front only on October 24, too late to participate in the fighting , and algerians troops was affected behind the front to block any israeli move against cairo .

and after all this egyptian make peace deal return back sinai land and billions from USA . so in algeria we see until today egyptians as traitor who sold palestine for money and land . and algeria havnt good diplomatic relation with egypt from that time

for relation algeria israel , officially we dont recognize the Israeli state, no embassy, ​​no exchange and even during international sports competition the Algerian sportsman retires if its an israeli opponent .

i m algerian , arab only by language wink and i dont care about egypt vs israel issue , ...........

nemesis2u:




ever heard of these words

1.TOT
2.LICENSE ASSEMBLY (CKD/SKD)
3.LOCALIZATION / CUSTOMIZATION
4.JOINT DEVELOPMENT
etc

and ROYALTIES / LICENSE FEE for the matter

u want me to post pics of IL76 unloading CKD kits of JF17 at kamra airbase

where did 99% the flight testing of all the JF 17 prototypes happen ?
why r all the prototypes of JF17 flying in china first at avic flight test centers ?
why is the 2 seater JF17 being tested in china ?

where did all the toolings and jigs arrive from for production to start ?

5-8 countries or so r capable enough to design and manufacture toolings for productionization of aircrafts on their own.


JF 17 was not inducted by PLAAF, then Chengdu Aircraft Corporation offered it to PAF , who agreed on the condition that they will be allowed to license manufacture, later joint manufacture it via joint development/customization etc suited to their present and future needs in block format.

now via TOT 58% of the aircraft parts are made in Pakistan and 42% are made in China. (some in other countries like engine , EW systems , ejector seats etc )

china holds all the IPRs of the JF17 , without Chinese consent they cant export a bolt/nut of JF17 .

to build a fight plane of ur own (even with foreign input) u need to have a vast military industrial complex / top of the line research centers / educational institutes , test facilities and billions of dollar .

google weather the country in concern has the above, then u will realize the truth

and finally to license assembly with 100% local made products via TOT/joint development most of the countries will do it, nothing big about it provided u keep paying the license fee / royalty regularly (if required via agreement).

u can also export it if the OEM (IP holder) issues u clearance (no objection certificate) provided u pay the license fee / royalty as applicable to the OEM . sometimes the OEM might not ask for the license fee / royalty, as everything boils down to the agreement clauses/details signed between the two.

( if i was a Nigerian i would have asked the Chinese (original IP holders ) together with their partners to allow me license assembly in Nigeria with progressive Nigerian customization/ upgrades. that's my personal view/way to kick start local aviation industry because there r no short cuts and also to save foreign exchange and promote local talent/industry and get the most out of the platform in tune with nigerian airforce intrinsic operational needs )

south korea did it with F16 and F15 (license assembly / customization )

india did it with SU 30 MKI (license assembly / customization )

japan did it with F16 and F15 (license assembly / customization )

etc
etc

really i am surprised at the ignorance level here

Henry240:


My point, EXACTLY!!!


We(Nigerians) were discussing the exact same thing. It's quite unfortunate for the rest of the militaries engaged in operations in Africa. If a severely poorly equipped Ethiopian Army/ outpost could be so well defended with the enemy hopelessly damaged and scared, why are the others, Nigerians even complaining.


The outposts of Uganda and Kenya sacked by militants were much more well equipped than this, in Nigeria Baga is a MultiNational Joint Task Force base with literally tons of light and heavy equipment with atleast 6 APCs, yet it was completely sacked.


In truth, this calls for a sober reflection, i salute the Ethiopian gallantry.

chkil:


non sense and speech again with no stats ,report !

for algeria manifacture capacity juste google it to see , has the license to manufactur t72 , and t90 , you still with your dream that ethiopian creat the t72 from zero , funny it's also kit mounted do you think ethiopia build it's own shtora system , era, advanced electronics and other new technoogic equipement ? funny , they do the same what's is done in algeria , egypt (abrams) , it's also kit mounted for upgrades and heavy manitenance and build chassis , algeria build local IFV APC from tens years , has contract with germans to build ( fush2 ), upgrades and heavy maintenance for all its tanks APC ect (t72 , bmp's to Berezhok standard ) .. , helicopter algeria have an agusta westland manufacture and another eurocopter contract will be signed soon) , build corvettes ( jebel chenouia class , agerian design Hassan Barbia Class ) and have heavy maintenant to all others ships and submarins also , contract of building meko , c28 was signed we will see after , satellite build in algeria by algerian (Alsat-2B), build small planes based on the ZLIN-142 ( Firnas-142 and Safir-43 ) , UAV ( AL fajer L-10 , Amel) and a supersonic UAV in project , no need to talk about kaashnikov rpg ammo bullet proof vest and helmet , radio , night vision and advanced electronic equipment ect ..... and i forget a lot others things

for its strategic place for russia it seems you know nothing , russia for exemple from 1963 sent it's army in algeria in the algerian morroccan conflict and lost soldiers ! russia start supply egypt ( in the egyptian israelian war 73 ) with weapons and also send aircraft only after algerian president boumedienne go to moscou , algeria sir get the strategic russian weapon S300 , others new equipement always first delivry with china and india ,and we get the yak130 and panstir s1 "Janus version " before the russian army it self , must our graded military are formes in russia, algeria is the first strategic partner for russia in africa and middle east !

and whats this no sense of american training with our sukhoi30mka , and advantage to morocco because they got american traning , and ethiopian russian sukhoi 27s with western doctrine butter then the russian air force doctrine common !

an advice for you before talking about things you don't know ,you have internet so try to see other worlds military web site , and see what others country are doing , specialy when you seem don't know your own military equipment, industries and don't know a basic think like your numbers of sukhoi 27 SK and specifications !

i'm done no more for me , i will stop this non sens debate here , have a nice day

chkil:


well i tell you give me facts and official reports, the capacity of your few 10-14 sukhoi 27 SK how many still in service , you give me a fantasy story and words ! the holy secret ethiopian super power !! when you can find any reports about all armies in the word ! ethiopian army hav'nt need secret more than country like egypt ,israel, algeria libya, north korea ,china, venezuela, argentina ect ....... ethiopia is not a strategic partner to russia like algeria for exemple ( who have also very big manufacture capacity for its tanks and fighters helicopter fleet) and you will find the capacity of algerian sukhoi30 mka and mig 29s, t90sa , t72 newly upgraded in detail easly, so stay believe in cold wars stories and super secret contract for strategic ethiopia weapons case that nobody has heard about !

and egypt sign for 48 mig29m2 easy to fond source , so sorry but egypt is overwhelming and it's a joke to compare your 10 active sukhoi 27 sk from 1999 ( SK export version go to russian manufacture for sk modification before delivry them to ethiopia ) and i find that the Su27 SK version has degraded avionics capabilities and limited air-ground to the egyptian huge more advanced fleet , not a threat for ethiopia you said ! funny , with only 6 F16 , 4 mirage 2000 , one E-2 Hawkeye AWAC/ELINT support and their EW systems they can strike your barage and return easily , official egyptian military said that they have plan for this attack !

point2 you said the same than me . no need to inacessary facts that all people know , but morocco little strategic when they are on the Straits of Gibraltarand next OTAN , and no need to talk about france (big fish in OTAN) history , france will engage its army directy and quickly in any conflict morocco will have , so morocco is more strategic than ethiopia will never be .


3 . for t72 manufacture ect ... excuse me but i'm algerian we have also big manufacture for our t 72 , and the last upgrades all upgrades are published , so give me fact what upgrad have your t72 , what kit what new system , i gave you the moroccan main tank capacity , give me your's to compare , you get second hand 60 T-72s from yemen 2003 , sign for 200 ukranian t72s in 2011 what else . i read also that ethiopian ground force lost a lot of tanks and life against small erythrean army in 1991 and 1999 conflict !

so i will stop here for words specially when my level of english is not good ( i speak algerian , arabic and french so i know very well all north african military website) , if we want to compare objectively we need the ethiopian su 27 sk config system , the t72s config numbers ect ...

but it's clear that morocco is far ahead in military capacity équipement, technology fleet . , maybe in ground ethiopian army is close

chkil:
1- i wanted to write MF2000/ mirage F1 , in 2006 they upgraded their mirage F1 to MF2000 ASTRAC version ,with same equipement from the mirage 2000-5 version .



for "Ethiopian military does not release information " it's a old joke , we arn't in cold wars any more , it's capitalism now , all armament companies publish new contract in detail to get costumers , the USA , France , russia and even Chinese ! even if you buy an little missile it will be published , there is no more army who like secret than the Algerian egytian moroccan chinese pakistanese but you will find report official for all their contract in detail . so avoid to use this fantasy of " we don't know the capacity of our super weapons it's secret ! " if your su27 get an upgrade you will find reports from sukhoi itself . ethiopia should go for the SU30 and for the best version based on MKI or SM ( a good number ) specialy when the ethiopian theoric enemy is egypt air force ( rafale/ f16s/ mig29m2 mirage ect.. ) who said that they will strike ethiopian barage many times in the nile river conflict

2- for egypt it"s not the same as morocco ! egypt get free F16s from US militry aid program $1.3 billion/ per year so US can give what they want to egypt it's free + israel will put its veto ( not the case of morocco) , this is why egypt bought somme mirage2000/ rafale /and the last mig29M2 to have upgraded capacity next to theirUS f16 , but morocco make a contract and several conccurents made ​​an offers ( F16/ Rafale/ tornado ect...) and they choose the F16 finaly , if they get not an upgraded version they would have bought the rafale for sur !+ morocco is major non-NATO ally to USA , and a strategic ally to France ! so they get alll what they want

3- morocco have also a good local capacity for overhaul maintenance , they upgrade their M60 / VAB/AML / M113 at home , so not worry about the availability , it's morocco they arn't idiot to let their tank with no maintenance specially when they have in front the algerian tank T90sa - upgraded t 72 and a big local overhaul/re-manufacture capability

and last all african country will have defensive posture against NATO , but if you want to compare moroccan army vs ethiopian army , in case of conflict no one can send a large invasion scal army with tank's IFV ect .... it will be atmaximum some aerial strikes ! but still morocco is ahead in many side : air force / navy / air defense , and for ground force we will said that they are close

chkil:


what ethiopian air force ? with only 17 downgraded sukhoi 27 bought in 1998, 2002 ,who know how many still in service now, and 10 oooooold MiG-23 ?? sorry look at the maroccan inventary , the marooccan air force is farrr ahead ! , the same for ground army , more than 1100 old t55 tank for the ethiopian ground army ,ok but their first main battle tank is the t72 only , in the other side marrocan army have more modern ! ethiopian ground army have a lot of obsolete equipment

the global fire ranking used also demographic , geographic, economic stats , that's why ethiopia have more point but if we take military stats only , the rank would change a lot