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Foreign AffairsRe: Ngozi Fulani Accuses Buckingham Palace Staff Of Racism. by Gemma11: 1:30pm On Dec 03, 2022
blueAgent:
Keep fooling yourself, there is nothing new under the Sun, all this this have been done before and ppl revolted and reversed back to Norm.

Go and read about Detriot and white flight.
Why should I read about Detroit, USA when this topic is about something that happened in Britain?
Foreign AffairsRe: Ngozi Fulani Accuses Buckingham Palace Staff Of Racism. by Gemma11: 10:55pm On Dec 02, 2022
blueAgent:
Stop deceiving yourself, no amount of staying in Britain would make a non British person to become British.

There are things you can never change.

Why do blacks cry racism and still want to be European which they are not ?
Rishi Sunak says hold my beer.

You need to keep up and get with the times because your views are antiquated and reek of insecurity.
Foreign AffairsRe: Ngozi Fulani Accuses Buckingham Palace Staff Of Racism. by Gemma11: 10:53pm On Dec 02, 2022
blueAgent:
Your analogy is flawed.

You can not blame the white woman for asking, especially when the lady in question has a name that does not sound like that of someone born to non British natives.
Flawed?
Oh Please..Does Rishi Sunak have a British name? Both of Rishi's parents were already British when they gave birth to him so technically he is a 3rd Generation Britsh man

We are now fast approaching 2022 and you guys still have this backward outdated notion that one must have a British name in order to be considered British. Please keep up with the times.

Anyway I found this on twitter.

https://twitter.com/GoodWomanHealth/status/1598765085714882560

Ngozi is a name she has chosen for herself and it would appear that Fulani is her marital name. However in this day and age when we have lived through times of Mohammed Ali, Chaka Khan, Afeni Shakur (Tupac's mother) and Kwame Toure who are all descendents of the Transatlantic Slave trade which invoved the sale of Africans, nobody has the right to question the descendents of such peope choosing to ditch their English names for a chosen African one.

Foreign AffairsRe: Ngozi Fulani Accuses Buckingham Palace Staff Of Racism. by Gemma11: 1:16pm On Dec 01, 2022
Gerrard59:
Nationality is different from ethnicity. You can be British by nationality, but you can never be British by ethnicity.

That is the truth. People should respect those boundaries.
The only people who are truly British by ethnicity are the Welsh. Everybody else on the British Isles came from somewhere including the Anglo Saxons who call themselves English and The Royal Family.
Foreign AffairsRe: Ngozi Fulani Accuses Buckingham Palace Staff Of Racism. by Gemma11: 7:42pm On Nov 30, 2022
KwaraRat:
That was a slave and you know it.
Please read up and stop embarassing yourself with ignorance. Slavery was abolished in the UK in 1807. The man who wrote that book was a lawyer who was called to the british Bar in 1909.
Foreign AffairsRe: Ngozi Fulani Accuses Buckingham Palace Staff Of Racism. by Gemma11: 7:36pm On Nov 30, 2022
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63810468

The late Queen's lady-in-waiting Lady Susan Hussey has apologised and resigned after she repeatedly asked a black British charity boss where she was "really" from.

Ngozi Fulani, a charity founder, was questioned about her background at the charity event at the palace on Tuesday.

Ms Fulani, said she was "totally stunned" by Prince William's godmother's comments.

The palace described the remarks as "unacceptable and deeply regrettable".

A spokesperson for Prince William said "racism has no place in our society".

"The comments were unacceptable, and it is right that the individual has stepped aside with immediate effect," they said.

Lady Hussey, 83, was a close confidante of the late Queen and accompanied her at the funeral of the Duke of Edinburgh last year.

'In shock'
Ms Fulani, in an interview with the Independent website, said the issue was "bigger than one individual. It's institutional racism".

"I was in shock after it happened and anybody who knows me knows I don't take this kind of nonsense," she said.

"But I had to consider so many things. As a black person, I found myself in this place where I wanted to say something but what happened would automatically be seen as my fault, it would bring [my charity] Sistah Space down.

"It would be 'oh, she has a chip on their shoulder'."

Ms Fulani said she did not want to see Lady Hussey "vilified".

An eyewitness to the conversation, Mandu Reid, told BBC News that Lady Hussey's questions had been "offensive, racist and unwelcoming".

The leader of the Women's Equality Party said she had felt a "sense of incredulity" about the exchange in which Ms Fulani was interrogated about where she was from, even though she had already explained she was born and lived in the UK.
Foreign AffairsRe: Ngozi Fulani Accuses Buckingham Palace Staff Of Racism. by Gemma11: 7:10pm On Nov 30, 2022
mrdharkchild:
Lolz
It's all I can say
no be to laugh...share.
Foreign AffairsRe: Ngozi Fulani Accuses Buckingham Palace Staff Of Racism. by Gemma11: 7:09pm On Nov 30, 2022
KwaraRat:
It isn't out of place to ask a black person in England where his roots are as even the earliest migration to England and Britain began within living memory with Jamaican and West Indies black migrants trooping into England in the 50's.

One thing is for sure and that is their roots are not British isles .

Even a Jamaican or a Caribbean black can simply answer that they are from their respective countries.

Nothing like Black British abeg. Just call them British citizens by virtue of immigration only.
There have been Black people in Britain since the beginning of time. This book was written in the 1800s.

Black Britons exist. Please do your research.

Foreign AffairsRe: Ngozi Fulani Accuses Buckingham Palace Staff Of Racism. by Gemma11: 7:05pm On Nov 30, 2022
mrdharkchild:
Lolz.
My english is so good, Canadians tell me to slow down. Pretty calm, Hey!
I got here on a very High IELTS score, I prepared 1 mo th for the test. I de Nigeria or de speak pidgin nor mean say person no sabi speak english.

Nor make me laff abeg.
I'm a robotics engineer, I am a sole part of the technology you are enjoying today.

U need proof? I can share you with my YouTube channel.

U think say them born you for UK come make you on kind special person.

I'm a proud Nigerian.
Not a coward
Yeah share your channel.

Me being born in the UK doesn't make me better than anyone born in Nigeria. However it is you Nigerians who get offended when someone like this Lady or myself emphasises that because you see it as a denial of one's roots when all it is a fact.
This is nothing but insecurity on your part because if you can say you were proudly born in Nigeria, then why can't I say I was proudly born in the UK. What is it about that that ticks you off?

The fact that you had to take an IELTS or whatever that is shows that your English is far from par. I also doubt that a robotics engineer would even have time to catch feelings over someone claiming the country they were born in.
Foreign AffairsRe: Ngozi Fulani Accuses Buckingham Palace Staff Of Racism. by Gemma11: 6:59pm On Nov 30, 2022
drakeli:
A white man that doesn’t have an ascent is assumed is from there. If Boris Johnson has an accent, other white would ask him where is he from. You won’t ask a Togolese that look like you and speak Yoruba fluently where he’s from unless he speaks Yoruba with ascent. A black American friend of mine in my presence asked a white woman where she’s from because she has an accent. She answered she’s from Spain. It’s normal, it doesn’t matter what color you are. If you look different from what’s generally the norm, people ask you the question whether you’re white or black
Again you are comparing apples with oranges.

In America with my British accent I am asked regularly where I am from and I expect it.

I do not expect to be asked where I am from in the City/country I was born, educated and raised in with my English accent. It is not acceptable because we know whoever is asking is taking the the Piss.

If you are a Nigerian immigrant who now lives in the UK, US or Canada and is asked where you from then obviously you expect it because you are not from there and have a strong accent to support that.

As I said, we Black British know ourselves. The Whites who aren't racist wouldn't ask such a question if they heard an English accent.
It is the ones who hear an English accent and still try to be cheeky who are the racists because they simply refuse to accept Black Britons exist. However those ones like this old biddy who asked the question at Buckingham Palace are dying out so we move.
Foreign AffairsRe: Ngozi Fulani Accuses Buckingham Palace Staff Of Racism. by Gemma11: 6:32pm On Nov 30, 2022
sisisioge:
Well, I cant argue your case but would it hurt to say your people migrated from Togo in 1400 BC but you're all British? I have friends whose children were born here in Canada but the kids still recall that their people are from Nigeria. It's so simple.
It wouldn't hurt but then why must I justify my existence in the country I was born and raised in when someone like Boris Johnson, Dominic Raab, the current deputy PM, David Miliband etc and even King Charles who has a significant German ancestry doesn't have to do the same?

Now if your response is that they are white and I am black, therin lies the problem of racism and this is what we as Black British born on British soil are trying to stand up against.

Also I have no problems in social settings telling people my background as London is a mult-cultural city. However in formal settings, if I tell you I am British and from South London, that is the answer you should accept and move on instead of trying to act like I am hiding something. A lot of Black people are not new to the UK. My children are 3rd generation...My friend's children are 4th generation and I know people who are 6th generation Black British.
Foreign AffairsRe: Ngozi Fulani Accuses Buckingham Palace Staff Of Racism. by Gemma11: 6:17pm On Nov 30, 2022
mrdharkchild:
Bros!!
I nor de backyard.
Me and u be black.
Lolz.
I come your so called country, dem still treat both of us the same way.
I go back my own country, them appreciate me. If you like speak their language, them no go still rate u. Lolz

Na your family coward pass,small baby bump them carry am go UK go throway because of citizenship.

Lolz
You wey no even sabi write and probably can not enunciate your English words clearly? lol Why would they treat us the same? Those wey no sabi communicate here na dey dey treat anyhow. If say na you dey ask that question, you go collect and feel proud with complete ignorance on how you have just been humilated.
You are probably the type of Nigerian immigrant who packs shit over here and then sends all of their hard earned cash to build house in Naija white you suffer in your cold ass room complaining about racism because you lack basic communication skills to stand up for yourself....abeg shift. Same skin colour but different levels obviously.
Foreign AffairsRe: Ngozi Fulani Accuses Buckingham Palace Staff Of Racism. by Gemma11: 5:47pm On Nov 30, 2022
mrdharkchild:
Leave my mentality alone. It's not a mentality issue.
Insecure people.
Dey claim citizen of country wey no rate u.
U one chop wey u no work.

Lolz.
U run come my house, I feed you, now one come de fight for my position for house.
in your head, the country doesn't rate me but does your own country where you share the same skin colour with 99.9% of the citizens rate you or even know you exist? Please sit down in your backyard there
Foreign AffairsRe: Ngozi Fulani Accuses Buckingham Palace Staff Of Racism. by Gemma11: 5:45pm On Nov 30, 2022
sisisioge:
It is well brother, I am presently in the west and do not get offended when asked. I just dont see the point. Meanwhile, I have asked a black person before that got offended even though I'm as black as any regular Nigerian. We take it too far biko.
Yeah you don't get offended because you are really from somewhere else and expect that question.

This is what I mean by people comparing their immigrant experiences to that of a someone born and raised in a country. The two are not the same. Yes you share the same skin colour but it doesn't mean you have lived and breathed in the same environment, culture etc.

I was born and raised in London and I know if someone starts pestering me about where I am from, especially after hearing my accent I know immediately that they are taking the piss and so I will then proceed to tell them that I am from Lewisham Hospital, South East london. grin

In any case if you are an immigrant then you just won't get it but that is ok. Just don't try and dictate to others as to why you think the question is ok based on your own experience.
Foreign AffairsRe: Ngozi Fulani Accuses Buckingham Palace Staff Of Racism. by Gemma11: 5:32pm On Nov 30, 2022
mrdharkchild:
If them like, make them resign.
Resignation does not change the way a Lion looks at a Goat

Slave one claim country.
Where was your father when they were dying for their country?

Running away I guess. But you one put mouth for their affair.
Lolz
Ignorance. Please stay in your lane and speak on things you actually have knowledge of. All this this your oshodi and Ojuelegba mentality will not take you far.
Foreign AffairsRe: Ngozi Fulani Accuses Buckingham Palace Staff Of Racism. by Gemma11: 4:22pm On Nov 30, 2022
mrdharkchild:
Nor vex, if you like be citizen by birth or by whatever.
If you are at the other end of the table, you'd
Do the same thing this woman did. It's because we are at the receiving end, we always cry foul.

Theres no justification in what you are saying.
If your parents can run there to birth you, and the environment has a way of automatically changing your skin color to white, that's not a problem.

But I cannot see a black pot and call it white.
Am I blind or what?

Y u de complicate matter, life is so simple. Madam are you of African decent, yes.
Ce finir, case closed. On to the next matter.
She no go bring am up.

But no, you don turn am to racism talk.
It only affects you if you let it.

Work on your state of mind, Africans
Relax and stop with the nonsense talk.
I don't know what is it about you Nigerians who get a chance to leave Nigeria to start talking like experts on countries you know absolutely nothing about.
You don't get to dictate to me about the life I have lived, being born and raised in a majority white land just like I don't get to tell you about your experiences in Nigeria before you decided to immigrate.

As I said, stay in your lane. If you don't understand why the exchange between Ngozi and Lady Sh was offensive then listen and learn rather than act like you understand or try to ignorantly apply your immigrant experience to the situation.

Also understand that African is a race and British is a nationality.
Please try and understand the differences because no one in this conversation has denied their race here. If someone tells you that they are British and you foolishly respond back with "no you are African" then that just exposes how dense and unintelligent you are.

In any case the white lady you are supporting has resigned. As I said watch and learn. She had no right to ask such questions and has been relieved of her job.
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/royal-aide-steps-down-after-racist-comments-buckingham-palace-2022-11-30/
Foreign AffairsRe: Ngozi Fulani Accuses Buckingham Palace Staff Of Racism. by Gemma11: 4:14pm On Nov 30, 2022
jimetagambo:
Was there any reason why she was singled out? It appears that there were other black people there as well.

There could be a deliberate racist intent or just the lady being curious? I can't conclude myself. I have asked white people the same question. I think the white lady goofed when she kept on pushing and asking multiple times a question the lady wasn't comfortable answering.

Note: I am one of Nairaland's prolific defender of Meghan Markle, so I know racism does exists in the royal household of Windsor.
Only that lady knows why she chose to ask such ignorant obtuse questions to a visiting guest of King Charles.

In any case she has been sacked or forced to resign.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/queen-consort-camilla-buckingham-palace-women-violence-guest-racial-heritage/

A member of the Buckingham Palace household has resigned and apologised over 'unacceptable and regrettable comments' made at a reception held by the Queen Consort.

A guest at the Buckingham Palace event on violence against women, hosted by Camilla, complained she was asked several questions about her racial heritage by Prince William's godmother Lady Susan Hussey - in an exchange that she found “insulting.”

Ngozi Fulani, CEO of Hackney Charity Sistah Space, a group that supports African and Caribbean women affected by domestic and sexual abuse, said she had suffered “trauma” and “damage” after being “invited and then insulted” to the event.

Lady Hussey, one of Queen Consort Camilla's closest aides and a close friend of the late Queen, quit today over the remarks.

The resignation will be viewed as a humiliation for Camilla and will cast a shadow over a trip by Lady Hussey's godson Prince William, who lands in the US today with the Princess of Wales for a three-day tour.

Ms Fulani said a member of Palace staff, who she referred to as Lady SH, moved her hair out of the way of her name badge before asking her questions about her heritage that left her “shocked”.

She said two other women who overheard the exchange were also “stunned to temporary silence.”

She said: “10 mins after arriving, a member of staff approached me, moved my hair to see my name badge.”

She goes on to say that she was asked a series of questions about her racial heritage. Posting what she said was a transcript of the conversation online, Ms Fulani said she explained she was from the Sistah Space charity and was asked: “Where do you come from?”

“We’re based in Hackney,” said Ms Fulani.

“No, what part of Arica are you from?” The staff member is said to have asked.

“I don’t know, they didn’t leave any records.”
Foreign AffairsRe: Ngozi Fulani Accuses Buckingham Palace Staff Of Racism. by Gemma11: 3:38pm On Nov 30, 2022
jimetagambo:
I understand people see racism in alot of things but that's just them. It could be from an experience in their past. In this case, I can't really conclude the intent of the woman that asked her the question. It could really be that she got confused by the name and was just curious.

If I was in Ngozi's shoe, I would proudly tell her where I am from not only Nigeria or Caribbean but where in that particular country sef and tribe. Out of curiosity, I have also asked some people with Polish or Ukrainian name at work where they are originally from even though they are American. Some of their names are very similar. I haven't seen any one that took offence to the question. Some would even tell you that their grand parents moved to America in the 1930s or that there granddad still speaks Polish.

I acknowledge that racism does exist, but I always make sure that I have sufficient proof before I conclude that it's racism.
Ngozi is from Hackney, East London. She isn't from Nigeria or an Igbo.
This is the issue the racist lady could not understand. In 2022 she is still acting surprised or rather just being ridiculously obtuse about there being Black generations of Black people who were born and raised in the UK.

The 2021 Census results have just being released and white British people are actually a minority in the London, even though the majority of the population was still born in the city. This basic stat should tell you that not all Londoners born in the city are white.
Foreign AffairsRe: Ngozi Fulani Accuses Buckingham Palace Staff Of Racism. by Gemma11: 3:31pm On Nov 30, 2022
mrdharkchild:
For your mind!
I dey Canada. I dey experience am. I really don't criticize them for it. I only tell myself that, if to say my country de work, this shit no go de happen.

In the school of logic u don't expect a fowl from Bush to come to the farm to come and be claiming right.

Racism kill you there. You go another man house de claim right, irony of it is, you still report it to thir authorities.

Lolz.
Slaves, we all are
If you see yourself as a slave then that is your prerogative.

You are in Canada as an immigrant.
Some of us Black people are UK born and raised citizens.
No matter which way you slice it, being of the same skin colour does not the experiences of an immigrant and a born citizen in the UK similar

If you have time, read up on Black British History...it is isn't an immigrant experience so don't compare the experience of someone born and raised in the country you have chosen to immigrate to with your own.
Again stay in your lane.
If you don't understand the nuances of the conversation between Ngozi and the Lady then keep mute.
Foreign AffairsRe: Ngozi Fulani Accuses Buckingham Palace Staff Of Racism. by Gemma11: 3:20pm On Nov 30, 2022
FireUpNow:
The great Peter Tosh once said "No matter where you come from, as long as you are a blackman, you are an African".
Race and Nationality are two different things. The lady never denied that she was an African.
Foreign AffairsRe: Ngozi Fulani Accuses Buckingham Palace Staff Of Racism. by Gemma11: 3:18pm On Nov 30, 2022
mrdharkchild:
You don't tell a person what or what not to be ask. If you have a dark skin, you somewhat have a black line in your family.
Its evident.

It's a necessary question. You don't come to my country and tell me how to ask you questions or run my affairs. Who the Bleep are you?

If you no like the question, or no one answer question then shift. Y make a fuss about it?

Theres clearly no case here.
You are clearly talking as a non-UK person as you are clearly not familiar with the social contructs and and how such questions are clearly inappropriate to ask in any British social setting. Stay in your lane and listen to someone who knows better.

The question asked was inappropriate and racist.
The question wouldn't have been posed to a white person with dredlocks (yes, plenty of them in the UK)

The question of 'whose country' it is is also really lost on you. If you are born in the UK (before 1983) or to a British citizen then you are British. No white person or you has the right to dictate otherwise so they can cry on twitter all they want.
British society is a leveler. If one can use eggs to stone King Charles and only get away with a fine then that you tell you what type of society it is. Because that kind of behaviour in another country could cost someone their head.

This lady is exercising her rights and this story has gone national. Hopefully the ignorant lady will be forced to resign.
Foreign AffairsRe: Ngozi Fulani Accuses Buckingham Palace Staff Of Racism. by Gemma11: 2:58pm On Nov 30, 2022
mrdharkchild:
Madam, if to say you answer the question from the very start this whole conversation and time would have been saved. She didnt lie at the end. So what do you want to make out from the conversation? Are you not of African decent, or did she lie?

There are different ways the conversation would have gone if you made the right decision from the very start.
Don't spark hate when theres none.

Nothing to see here.
You go to another persons country to claim right and pity
She doesn't need to be asked such a question and she did right not to dignify such a question with an answer. This nuance you and others who know nothing about the Black British experience in the UK will not understand.
Foreign AffairsRe: Ngozi Fulani Accuses Buckingham Palace Staff Of Racism. by Gemma11: 2:56pm On Nov 30, 2022
Okonandmary:
haha

Just because you were born in Britain, carry their passport, and speak with their accent doesn't make you a British


likewise, a white person born in Nigeria, who has a Nigerian accent, and carries a Nigerian passport also isn't a Nigerian

A black person doesn't have any traditional or historical connection with Britain


Black people, Stop trying hard to be accepted by white people
Unfortunately for racists and people like you, being born in Britain, especially before 1983 does legally make you British. It is a hard pill to swallow for many racists but those are the facts.
Many Black born British people have already learned to live without acceptance and it is ok really. We still continue to thrive..see Chiwetel Ejiofor, Idris Elba, John Boyega, Kemi Badenoch, John Fashanu, Shirley Bassey, Anthony Joshua etc
TravelRe: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Gemma11: 10:21am On Nov 29, 2022
Chreze:
I don’t know about the top two. But the last one on PSW is NO. No recourse to public fund.

Just this morning I was wondering why someone contributing 20/21% of their earning is not qualified for public fund. The person is already contributing to the economy, so why not get access to the contribution. This UK can leave person with so many questions sometimes.
I am not familiar with visa rules but those on Student visas don't pay tax or council tax on their 20 hour per week earnings. Their partners may if they work but they are already getting free school and other amenities for their kids. Plus partners of those on student visas also don't pay council tax.

In any case it is the law of the land and it needs to be respected.
TravelRe: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Gemma11: 6:49pm On Nov 25, 2022
SPDAZZY:
Please how does one access this salary calculator
I use an Iphone app

But you can access this one here.

https://www.thesalarycalculator.co.uk/salary.php
TravelRe: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Gemma11: 3:06pm On Nov 25, 2022
dupyshoo:
Take home will be slightly more (around £1900).
I agree she should be able to save above £500 per month.
You are correct. My Salary calculator is mistakenly set to 4 week payments not monthly.
TravelRe: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Gemma11: 2:59pm On Nov 25, 2022
hustla:
LOL can't be converting GBP to Naira when she won't spend in naira

She'll be fine in Leeds though

grin
Comparing it to what she is getting in Nigeria. The brother said she is on 120k a month so assuming she manages to save half of that in Nigeria..she can save more than double that in the UK after all bills and expenses on £29k
TravelRe: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Gemma11: 2:47pm On Nov 25, 2022
Kaycee54321:
Hello all.

My kid sis is looking at an offer of 29K for a job in Leeds. It'll be her first time leaving the country. Please, is that livable income in that area of the country?

I know even God cannot change her mind about leaving Naija but I just need to know if she's going to continue to need occasional financial help...

She was on 120K in Naija.
£29k is good for Leeds. That is around £1700 (N990k or even higher depending on the exhange rate) per month. She should be able to save at least £500 a month after rent, bills and other expenses.
TravelRe: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Gemma11: 3:29pm On Nov 23, 2022
Chreze:
A colleague who is just about a month took medical off last week and some days ago she wrote on the team chat that she’s logging off to take her aunt to the hospital due to health emergency. We all wrote on the chat that she should take care and be calm that everything will be fine.

I have only spent 2years here and one of my biggest learning is that your family should ALWAYS come first. I have seen two managers resign for unfair treatment in two different companies. In both cases the reasons from the company n owners was same “ It’s not personal”. And these are hard working staff who gave their time and everything to the company. One of them did not go for leave in the last 2yrs just to keep the business running after the covid loss.
Yes..i doubt the colleague was on a probationary period and had some sort of 'muscle' to flex within the company.
TravelRe: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Gemma11: 3:19pm On Nov 23, 2022
LagosismyHome:
Is this Nigeria or UK?..... because UK taking leave is part of their culture. Very odd for me to hear read the room ontop time off.

Are sure some of these are not presumption brought from abroad. Do you think a born and breed British will blink and not take time off that has been earned because its probation. As long as you have accrued it , its your entitlement. I have also managed several people under me. As long as they have that entitlement or there is adequate coverage while would anyone manager be bothered

Work is not slavery and what you describe up is toxic abeg
I am talking from UK experience and as a IT Professional who has over 15+ years working in corporate London. As I said, it would be wise to read the room and the sort of environment one is in before deciding to exercise any rights during a probationary period. I mean they could have hired you to fill a staff shortage and the next thing you are off on annual leave which they also have to pay for as well as pay agency staff in your absence. As I said it is not a good look. Again shine your eyes and read the room.

A bereavement can occur unexpectedly but anyone on a probationary period really needs to weigh up the consequences of taking a substantial amount of time off to attend to that bereavement because as I said, although you are legally allowed, if the powers that be decide that you aren't reliable enough to keep on then it is curtains down for you.
Never make assumptions based on the law because there are always loopholes. Company's have probationary periods for a reason.

@Koonbey

I presume you informed your employers of your impending holiday and so they were able to make allowances and prep for that as that is something they normally ask about at the interview stage.
TravelRe: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Gemma11:
koonbey:
No, the issue here is annual leave. The OP talked about how she would have taken annual leave but couldn't because she is not entitled till next year, to which you said she may not have paid leave unless she has earned it, to which I said it's earned automatically and she must have leave allowance as of today, not till next year.

I never said she's entitled to bereavement leave. I said she should ask for her annual leave and explain (in light of the notice period and in order to ensure the confirmation timeline isn't disrupted) that it's because of a bereavement, and that they would likely make adjustments for her.
Noted.

Speaking from experience, in my old company it was unheard of for someone to go on annual leave during their probationary period. Even if it was the employee's right to do so, it wasn't a good look.

You are on probation - which means one should be doing everything they can to impress their employer in terms of attendence, output and meeting all objectives

Does excercising your right take annual leave during probation actually give the employer the impression that you are actually committed to the job?

In the probabtionary period you don't have the same employee rights as other long term employees they don't need an excuse to let you go as well so even if they felt obligated to allow annual leave.

That is why I always say "Read the room". They will smile in your face and say it is ok but are they really? Or are you just giving them amunition to use against you later in an underhanded way.
TravelRe: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Gemma11: 11:02am On Nov 23, 2022
koonbey:
Paid leave is a statutory mandate for organisations, and employees are entitled to use it annually. It starts accruing once a person starts work and there's ese to be done to earn it. If she started work at the beginning of September, she should have just above a week's leave now.

https://www.gov.uk/holiday-entitlement-rights/holiday-pay-the-basics

Also, it's not true that most times companies give just a day off for funerals if a person is bereaved, but that's beside the point.

Ultimately though - it's right that a lot will depend on her contract. The key thing is that she needs to be bold in her approach, unless she doesn't want to go sha. There's no need to go into quoting law etc, but just have a reasonable discussion and I'm sure they'd oblige, assuming it's a reasonable company and not one of those exploitative ones other people have referenced here.
The issue here is Compassionate /Bereavement leave which is not the same as annual leave.

The time off to attend a funeral is at the company's discretion and they don't have to pay you. The time-off has to be 'reasonable' but reasonable according to the company could be just a day off or 2 -3 days which is not enough to fly to Nigeria so the person asking the question will need to add whatever annual leave they have accrued to the bereavement leave they are offered. More info below.

https://www.reed.co.uk/career-advice/bereavement-leave-what-you-need-to-know/

"What is bereavement leave?
Bereavement leave (also known as compassionate leave) is an agreed upon time off of work an employee takes following the death of a family member or loved one.

The time allows individuals to make funeral arrangements, and complete tasks such as organising the deceased’s possessions and will, as well as pay their respects and begin the grieving process, in the event of the death of a loved one.



Am I entitled to bereavement leave?
According to the Employment Rights Act 1996, UK employers are obligated to give employees an unpaid “reasonable” number of days off following the death of a family member, or dependent.



Who are classed as family members?
This is usually defined as a spouse, partner, child, parent, brother, sister, grandparent, aunt/uncle, niece/nephew, or someone the employee cared for.

However, the rules for this are far from defined, meaning the death of people outside of your immediate family, such as friends, may be considered as grounds for allowing bereavement leave.



How much time off can I take?
There is no set amount of time an employer should allow when it comes to bereavement leave, and it’s usually given at their own discretion, depending on the situation.

Some may specify a set number of days, whilst others will make their decision on a case-by-case basis. On average, businesses will most commonly permit around 2-5 days.

This allows the employee to deal with an unforeseen emergency, along with the arranging and attending of a funeral.



Will I get paid?
Whilst employers have no legal obligation to pay employees while they are on bereavement leave, some may choose to.

To find out if your company offers paid bereavement or compassionate leave, check your employment contract or employee handbook.



What if I need more time off?
Whether you’re able to extend your bereavement leave past the average amount will once again depend on your employer and the individual situation.

If you need longer than is being allowed, always speak to your company’s HR team directly to see what other options are available.



Will my bereavement leave run out?
Bereavement/compassionate leave is completely separate to other types of leave (e.g. time off sick, annual leave), and doesn’t accumulate or formally ‘run out’.



Will I have to provide proof?
Some employers may ask an employee for evidence of the reason an employee is taking bereavement leave, although this must be a reasonable request.

This could be, for example, an obituary, or a death or funeral notice.

Details of whether you’ll need to provide these documents can be found in your employment contract.



How do I ask for bereavement leave?
The process for requesting bereavement leave will vary from company to company, and will usually be outlined in your employee handbook or contract.

Usually, it will involve telling your employer as soon as possible. If it’s an emergency, letting them know after you leave work, at your earliest opportunity, is recommended.



Final thoughts
Finally, it’s important to remember that every situation is different. However, you should never feel pressured to go back to work before you’re ready.

If you feel like the bereavement leave you’ve received isn’t enough, talk to your employer. Most are extremely understanding in situations like these, and will be willing to provide you with extra time off if you need it.

After all, they have a vested interest in the wellbeing of their employees, and providing the time off is warranted and reasonable, should be able to come to an arrangement that suits everyone involved.

Finally, if you’re unhappy with the treatment you’re receiving, or your employer has denied you any bereavement leave, consider raising a grievance with your HR team directly to find out more about your options."

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