husbandsnatcha:
...because been lewd isn't destroying earth nor air you breathe!
Can't you ask yourself y will someone who wants us to believe her always talk of sex
When Jesus said sexual sinners shall burn in hell?
...listen it can only take few time b4 u know that ignorance is y xtians suffer in hellfire of yahweh Satan not sin, Be proud of your christianity as the clock ticks
I still remain a goddess

Kedu ihe bu aha igbo gi?

husbandsnatcha:
...nsuorugi igbo u don't reply with English next time inugo, that's disrespect

am happy to disrespect you

budaatum:

First, please accept this short education on scientific. It is a word derived from "sense", and means, evaluating with the senses, and is in fact a lesson Jesus taught so much and healed so many of the lack of the ability to do. There is a story for instance where he spat on mud and rubbed it in a man's eye to heal the deficiency in the man's ability to use the sense of sight. Once he healed a person who was deficient in the sense of hearing and another who was deficient in the sense that gives the ability to communicate verbally. "The eye is the lamp of the body" , he preached. "If your eye is dim so too would all your senses". Can you see how it might be said that using the senses is not crap but not using the senses is the equivalent of hallucinating or being dead even?

Note how Einstein, and Bezos, and Gates did not tell me to believe them. What they did was present me with their invention so that I can evaluate it with my own senses and pay them for the priviledge if I find their invention useful, which I definitely would not do if they had merely presented me with a belief.

How can anyine hold a person in high regard for an invention that is kept secret and hidden? Do you think one could possibly hold Einstein, or Bezos, or Bill Gates in high regard if they had kept their inventions secret? In fact, would anyone have heard of them if they kept their inventions secret? Do tell, do you hold in high regard those who's inventions are secret and hidden and that you never heard of?

Please re-read my post and correct yourself. I said the knowledge behind the invention, not the invention itself

MuttleyLaff:


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"Give no regard to mediums and familiar spirits;
do not seek after them, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God.
(i.e. Turn ye not unto the ghosts, nor unto familiar spirits;
seek them not out, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God"
- Leviticus 19:31

"If any of you go for advice to people who consult the spirits of the dead,
I will turn against you and will no longer consider you one of My people. "
- Leviticus 20:6

Scary images. I understand where you are coming from

luvmijeje:


In what way did I do that?

Literally, he just crossed his t and doted his i. The same way I just did.

budaatum:

A wise question!

I may see a chair in my living room, for instance, that is actually there, but in my mind see how I can use it as a table to place my food on to eat off or a ladder to climb up to reach heights as well as simply a chair to sit on; that would be an example of "seeing a real chair differently". But if I say there is a horse in my living room where there is no horse, and you and I should fly it to my village to go and marry the King's son, I'm certain you will tell me I'm hallucinating and crazy and what have I been smoking.

Or would you not?

I'll try to confuse you further. Whatever you imagine is real.

MuttleyLaff:

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I havent heard anyone yet admit to smearing on dog’s eye bogey/gunk sha?

I vividly remember all those eerie tales, growing up, of, if you put dog’s eye bogey/gunk (i.e. the Western part of Naija call it ''ipin aja'') into your eyes, first thing in the morning, it would allow you to see into the “spirit realm” and give you paranormal experiences.

Anything is possible. But just like you, i can't say whether the tales are true or not as i don't know everything

budaatum:

I personally don't expect you to defend "hallucinations" and was rather surprised that it seemed you were defending hallucinations.

I mean, you did call it "knowledge that you wanted to keep to yourself" despite being told you is crazy, lol.

Well here you go. This is the reason why certain people who you hold in high regard for their inventions would not tell you what they secretly believe in, or the secret behind their inventions. Instead, you will hear a load of scientific crap

budaatum:

Yes. This has been seen to be true, "from another dimension" meaning, seeing from a different perspective, as in seeing reality differently. It however does not include hallucinating which involves the creation of crap inside one's mind and then claiming it is the reality that is outside the hallucinating mind!

I wonder what you mean by the bolded and how it's different from your definition of hallucination.

luvmijeje:


Imagine if you are the one that took that drug, I personally would have taken you serious. It's normal for people to question you. It's necessarily not because they are doubting you, it's simply because what you are saying is unheard.

And you expecting not to be question is very naive of you. And you unable to defend it shows you didn't think it through. Once something has been termed hallucination, especially by science, any attempt to explain it is usually futile so I wouldn't bother.

Critics helps you to explain an occurrence in a man's language . Helps you to see your weakness. Helps you to strengthen your weakness. They aids you in thinking wide. They helps to cross your t and dot your i. And above all, they explodes your mind.

No no. Am not saying I don't expect to be questioned, am just saying am not here to convince anyone as i gain absolutely nothing from doing that.
You don't expect me to defend "hallucinations" do you? Because once science terms anything hallucination, it's futile to try to explain that thing.

luvmijeje:


Enjoyable? Euphoric? Dream like? You can also get that effect from cocaine.

Well yes, and just like someone else also said, from prolonged hunger too But, what they see on occasions are random things that wouldn't help much. In the past, a systemized occult ritual where a plant like mescaline is used would make the participant actually see beings from another dimension and perhaps be able to discuss with him.

Dreams are not just dreams. Dreams are real. In order to confuse you further, just flip things the other way round. What you don't see physically are real, what you see physically is just an illusion. Its an upside down way of thinking. Its the real thought.

budaatum:

Of course you can achieve "altered states of consciousness" through psychoactive (note the proper spelling please) drugs or certain plants. Marijuana is one very common one, as is LSD, which is known to produce similar hallucinogenic effects as Mescaline, but do you know that hunger and alcohol, can also produce such effects, especially in those who are deficient in brain use?

So tell me. If you take Mescaline, or smoke Igbo or consume LSD or have not eaten for like 5 days or are drunk, would you expect me to accept that your hallucinogenic induced testimony is credible evidence of reality?

Or rather, if I take Mescaline or smoke Igbo or consume LSD or have not eaten for like 5 days or are drunk, would you accept my hallucinogenic induced testimony as credible evidence of reality?

Depends on what you see

luvmijeje:


Hmmm. The effect you are describing is the same effect anyone who has never taken hard drugs feels. The guy who took the drug was only high and hallucinating.

I'm definitely not closing my mind to this simply because the mind of men is the most powerful. The mind of men created Spaceship....... That's sorcery. It all started from the mind. Those who created it relies on men who were not contented with what they were told. They didn't relied on the teaching that only the Spiritual being can go up there.

I was reading a thread earlier today that was stating the different between the wisdom of God and the wisdom of men. How did David killed Goliath? Did God came down? Didn't he used the wisdom God gave to him?

The secret of this world lies in the mind of men and religion is the biggest detriment against it. With religion men's thinking faculty has been suspended. Majority of religionist will die with their wisdom and the secret that lies in them because their thinking faculty has been suspended.

Imagine the knowledge that is been wasted because of 1769 teaching. Teachings that has been doctored and doctored and over doctored. Teachings you all refused to question simply because you were told God was the one that said it.

For your information, am not a religionist. Just like you, i seek the truth and nothing but the truth.

Didn't i tell you earlier that science would term the effects of the drug as seeing things that aren't there (hallucinating)? Now the bolded explains why people will tell you you are crazy when you tell them the things that 'aren't there' are infact actually there for real, the drug just made you see it. They think it's just hallucination. Even if you show people certain things, they'll still ask you to prove it mathematically. It's hard to convince someone who doesn't want to be convinced even if you made them see it themselves. Refer to my last reply to budatum to see the name of the plant i was talking to you about.

budaatum:

I hope you realise that you are asking us to accept the word of a person you yourself say ran mad, as facts and truth.

Do you normally accept the word of a mad person as fact and truth, Gentlebuka?

Did you not see where I said i researched the plant?

Author claimed he became insane for just a couple of hours, not forever.

But, please don't believe it. I don't want anyone to believe it so I can keep the knowledge for myself

On a second note, if we should dismiss everyother thing the author said, we should not dismiss this one thing which is my point in the first place: you can a achieve altered states of consciousness. And it is possible to achieve it by using phychoactive drugs (or certain plants). This you can easily verify if you are interested to know.

Here, I finally figured out the name of the plant I was talking to luvmijeje about. It's called Mescaline. Here is how a website defines it:
"The effects of mescaline last for 10 to 12 hours, although the use of mescaline as a sacrament takes place over two days. As a hallucinogenic or psychedelic drug, mescaline induces an altered state of consciousness where people experience altered thinking and perception. People often describe this state as enjoyable, euphoric, and dream-like". 
Source: https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-mescaline-4155320

luvmijeje:


Hmmmm! But you have no evidence of that. You can't even mention the name of the herbs to see into the Spiritual realm. But you are so sure there is a herb to see into the spiritual realm. Again you are contented with what you are being told. Africans are mentally lazy.

How can you not be curious to know the name of those herbs? How can you not be curious to access those knowledge?

If that knowledge exist, how can you not be hungry to share it with the world? How can you allow that secret to die with you?

I knew the name. I researched the plant. But that was more than 1 year ago so I've forgotten all about it. I wasnt curious enough to want to experience the effect of the herb for myself because the experience of the guy who took it is not something I really want to undergo. He ran mad for some minutes/hours, but that was also the period when he saw the spirit behind the herb and became acquinted with it. The book i read, the knowledge seeker wanted to have supernatural powers, not necessarily to become an inventor, so different goals. The herb might not be able to help one access the knowledge of how to do supernatural things, the herb just gives you the power, hence you don't have the knowledge yourself. And the herb can also kill you if you don't use it properly (for instance, if anyone ever finds the herb where you keep it, you'll die the next day). So you can't expect me to take this risk. I actually didn't complete reading the book as i knew reading a book wherein i wouldn't practice the knowledge it contains is a waste of time. You shouldn't think accessing this kind of knowledge is as easy as ABC, far from it. So I think I researched the herb on google and I think, from the answers I got from google, people did confirm it had psychic powers. In the book I read, the author claimed the experiences he narrated were his own experiences. He was curious about the herb because he heard the herb could do certain inexplicable things and then he gave it a first hand trial, he had someone who was more experienced to guide him. Also, the herb is not the type of herb you see everyday. It can only be accessed from certain locations.

As for accesing spiritual knowledge, there are multiple ways to do that. Using herbs to alter your state of consciousness is just one of them.

No, you don't share things like this with everyone because people will call you crazy and not believe you so why waste your time?

capitalzero:


Quantum physics will provide insights in the future. For now, I am rational with what I believe. I draw line between spiritual and physical things. I Many things we attributed to spiritual are actually unexplained science. In the future we know better.

Yeah, lets wait for them to catch up.

budaatum:

Science, which means, the human use of the senses, can not, according to you, be used by sense users to explain everything, because the world, which happens to be physical, is spiritual, according to you.

I put it to you that if you take your time and try really really hard you will understand what I've said above instead of making up spirits. However, spiritually speaking, depending how hard you try, time equals 2-10 years, at least.

No no bro. Am not here to argue with anyone. Nah. I'd rather sleep and eat food (thank God it's Sunday). Please argue with others who might have time to do that. Believe whatever you like. The last thing i do is try to convince people to believe something if they are not willing to do that. Most times, it's a waste of time and energy.

husbandsnatcha:
....you really wanna know? It means Kputus a soft ,sweet and tender weapon stronger than violent weapons of Antichrist adolf hitlar

No good. Am sorry for the ones who's been there with you. I cry for them.

husbandsnatcha:
...I know is just a mistake, I meant good for your generations unborn
By the time your next generation of 2060ad [b]start seeing church as a place where you go whenever you feel h0rny or A place of shame that's when whitemen shall suffer to get your Visa , you can't see it because u are human,but I can see it happen so,
...by then politicians won't see what to deceive u with again, During that time no one will like to be a politician nor pastor , because jungle justice shall always be their portion [/b]

At the bolded, why are you this lewd? Anyway its really not my business.

capitalzero:

But it is not compatible. That is fact!!!

No matter how science tries, it can't explain everything physically because the very foundation of the world is spiritual. Unseen laws and beings permeate every corner of the world and have control over what happens here. That's why Quantum physics is growing popular day by day. People need answers that conventional science can't provide. Science has tried. Now, it's time for you to understand that science does not have answers to everything. The earlier you understand this, the better. The best thing at the moment is to work with both the physical (science, etc) and the unseen (the spiritual beings and laws). Many great scientists are known occultists. Understand this and you'll see the extent to which human beings have been deceived

capitalzero:


Your stories of tortoises and ghosts are not compatible with neuroscience.

It doesn't need to be

jimiobanta:
Witchcraft Apologist

Read my post again

luvmijeje:


Do you know the herbs?

I watched a lot of Yoruba films and this films dabbles into the spiritual realm and it makes me wonder whether there are element of truth in it. I'm open-minded.

If there are indeed herbs to see the spiritual, do you know what you are all sitting on? You are sitting on Knowledge that can turn the world upside down. In the right hand it is a knowledge that can transform humanity.

I've read a bit about the herbs. I cannot claim, however, to have used any. And certainly yes, some people have been using this knowledge and some might still be doing so till today. Not all scientific discoveries or achievements might have come about by making thorough researches. Some knowledge might have been handed over from the spiritual to the physical by the means I proposed. But you see these breakthroughs and think the persons who made them are some sort of genius, not knowing they 'stole' the knowledge behind them from somewhere you might not believe exists.

husbandsnatcha:
... Wat amuses you ebuka? I'm a highly paid choirmistress in a top church in portharcourt remember ?
...not only that i'm in charge of winning souls for Christ in that church and many others, even some of my daughters you saw in my dp has different churches or in a sensitive positions , which they made a sperm centre with their k ... S, some has lesbian/gay churches , So ebuka I will go to church to do the needful so that your unborn children shall enjoy !
...And is a hubby not a job for me!

Please what does the bolded mean?

husbandsnatcha:
...U got it wrong , I mean economical enjoyment like first world countries

Okay..
Forgive me for my rewd thinking.
I'll have to re-read that post

luvmijeje:


But we can't. We can't tune our vibration into the vibration of the unseen.

That's my issue with religionist. They are contented with what they are being told. They are contented with the unexplained. That's why I am impressed with the OP. She's not contented with the thinking that there are something we can't explain. She opened a thread to find a solution.

You are not proffering a solution. You are just like the other coin of an Atheist. You are okay with what you were told. Not what you know or could know.

Vibrations can be altered. Using certain herbs, you can alter your vibration to see things that 'aren't there' (spiritual beings). If you want to experience for yourself, the knowledge is out there, but science makes you think those things you'd see 'aren't there'. Seeing and believing are two different things. You can force someone to see, but you can't force him to believe.

capitalzero:


The world will be chaotic if we all believe stories of tortoise and rat like yours without source or evidence.
I think you need psychological evaluation. I do not mean to insult you. But truth hurts.

No no no. Its because of people like me that you are able to enjoy electricity and internet... People who think outside the box. The "box" am talking about is the box of believing everything needs to fit into the popular standards of what should be true in order for it to be true. Science came about when people began to have the impulse to explain occultic/spirituals powers using mathematics. Science, therefore is not common sense, otherwise, how on earth can a plane fly? Whatever scientific explanation you might have for this, at the very basic level, a plane can fly simply as a result of manipulating certain unseen forces/laws (gravity, etc).

By the way, if you believe in gravity (which is basically unseen), I wonder how you are any different from someone who tells you that spirits exist or that the physical world is an illusion.

luvmijeje:


Hmmmm. I have been thinking about it since I came across this thread. What if we are the intruders? What if we are the enemies? What if we are in a loop?

Dammy, truth is, if we can tune our vibration into the vibration of the unseen, then we begin to see the "unseen". Then, we'll become aware that the world is not just filled with humans but spirits alike. Its all about vibration. And yes, conciousness in general is always on a continous loop. After the Final day, if we attain Nirvanna (heaven), we might still come back again, but maybe with much more capabilities and powers than we currently have.

capitalzero:

What is source of your belief?
It is either you are being delusional or a joke.

I have no source that you'd agree with since they are not based on scientific evidences. But let me leave you something to think about: If my dream can be as real as they are in my dreams, sometimes i even sweat in real life having certain dreams, then my physical reality has the possibility of being a dream.

husbandsnatcha:
... Wat amuses you ebuka? I'm a highly paid choirmistress in a top church in portharcourt remember ?
...not only that i'm in charge of winning souls for Christ in that church and many others, even some of my daughters you saw in my dp has different churches or in a sensitive positions , which they made a sperm centre with their k ... S, some has lesbian/gay churches , So ebuka I will go to church to do the needful so that your unborn children shall enjoy !
...And is a hubby not a job for me!

My unborn children will enjoy what?

Lol... i hope the church you are talking about is not what am thinking?

PapaNwaeje:



How old are you please? You are very calm and humble, I'd like you to meet my son nwaeje

Lol.. my friend, you are a comedian

luvmijeje:


Good point. All I can say is that you should continue to be open minded.

I am a witness to a dead men walking. Do you all know that we are all dead men walking. We are all living a life of illusion. What do I mean?

The day you were born is the day a death sentence have been pronounced on your life. Despite it, we all continue walking the earth as though we are not under a death sentence. It's like a man who a Judge sentence to die in a month's time and despite it continue eating, sleeping, fuc.king and making babies. All what he's doing before his death is an illusion ( A belief that he won't be able to do those things when he dies).

What if??....... I'll be back when I think this through.

I believe what you meant is....When we are born in the physical world, we die in the spiritual world (which is the main world/dimension). When we die in the physical, we become alive in the spiritual world. Physical world being an illusion, we do not actually live until we die and our physical life and the things we see in it are just illusions of the mind. A dream sort of. I used to ask myself, what if i die while dreaming? that dream becomes my reality right? And i wouldn't believe that am just dreaming even if am told a million times right? That's how the world is. No need mincing words. Good to come directly the way I just did. So that if they have critism to deliver, they deliver jeje.