₦airaland Forum

No doubt, Uduaghan is a man to watch.

Jakumo:
Now that I have managed to salvage your soul, KJ, will you marry me, assuming, of course, that you are an anatomically correct female as I suspect ?

I never knew there were a bunch of Jokers on  this thread!

Could have spared myself some stress.

KnowAll:
I know you yoruba bashers will say obasanjo was ther for eight years but did not do anything, one thing I know he was succeded in was building the foundations of demoracy in Nigeria . Going by natural laws of nature one will assume that the 1st demoratic goverment after 25 years of militiary regime will be in its embryonic stage and will only grow as the years went by.

Actually, who are the Yoruba bashers? I think it's the Yoruba's themselves.

A very important issue!

Have we read the latest(yet out) edition of NEWSWEEK?

How can we have read that and still keep on reviling Adeboye? We can't even be proud of our own achievers and celebrate them. SHAME!

WOW! I've just glimpsed through highlights, and I'm amazed.

Adeboye has been listed as one of the 50 most influential men in the world. Together with people like Obama, Gordon Brown, Oprah Winfrey, Warren Buffet, The Clintons, Nancy Pelosi, Bill Gates, Bloomberg, Putin, Angela Merkel, and a host of other world class leaders.

Was Newsweek talking thrash? And here is the world's most respected and widely read magazine along TIME!

http://www.newsweek.com/id/176333

Also, could Prince Charles have been lying when he paid tributes to Adeboye's church in London? He particularly noted their immense contribution to social welfare in London. He went on to say he wished he had known the Redeemed church earlier. Friends, he celebrated his birthday there!

Has any other Nigerian been this celebrated  globally?

Come on, Whose opinion would you rather listen to?  The Newsweek and Prince Charles of England, or some faceless and unknown Dayokanu or Jakuno or any other unknown quantity?

Your guess is as good as mine.

dayokanu:
@ Samorijack,

Well said!!

His romance with OBJ eroded ll forms of credibility he might have had

Dayo,

I had said earlier that yours was a case of transferred aggression.

You just proved me right.

Your real grouse is with OBJ!

You even admit that Adeboye 'had' some credibility before, until bla bla bla.

samorijack:
I have read every word of this discussion, here's my 10 cents. I was a member of RCCG for many years but the truth as I see it is Pastor Adeboye's romance with OBJ and his failure to stand up for truth in a country so in need of someone to lead the charge, has erroded any credibility he has. I see him expanding his empire and charging a king's ransome for educaction in the name of JESUS. Was this how the early missionaries did it? where are the hospitals, skill aquisition centers and free schools majority of his followers need? Yet he has enough money to fund his university on the back of false promises of divine blessing. I'd like to see him and the like fix the global financial crisis( that would be something) Now he is twisting the scriptures to justify paying tax (to the delight of the powers that be) I did'nt hear him speak out when fuel prices were raised and my people needed a voice, all because he could not risk betraying his aristocratic benefactors, It's a dam shame we've all been had

Silly!

I usually prefer to respond to intelligent posts, however, I'll spare you some time:

What has a pastor in Nigeria  got to do with solving the global financial crisis?  Is that how badly hit you are?

I can't even go on responding. The points are sickening. Illogical. Man, why the ign, ?

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dayokanu:
This is sooo dumb. Why should I be charged a fee for passing through Lagos-Ibadan expressway because a shameless lawbreaker, who doesnt pay tax but feed fat on corruption decides to block the traffic? Are you kidding me.

I know a lot of people who died because the shameless man decided to block traffic. from accidents and stuff.

Must he use a busy expressway for his money making venture?

This is the major route that leads to Lagos from other parts of the country. You can imagine the number of people subjected to such inhuman treatment just because of one selfish man who only thinks about himself and his business.

This is no different from a company that release toxic chemicals into the environment killing and rakes in millions as long as he is a friend to the rich politicians

Dayo, you seem so aggressive. I really wonder why.  Were you ever excommunicated from their church?

Transferred aggression, it seems, is the case here.

What else could explain the extreme comparisons you've made?   What I've always known is that accidents, especially fatal ones, are associated with high speed. I never knew that accidents happen in traffic jams. Amazing new knowledge!
If you talk of discomfort, hours lost, overheating vehicles, etc, then i know you're a bit objective.

Seriously, i think your suggestions are an overkill.

@ creativity,

I understand your plight.

I have observed that you are close to one that was 'dealt with' by Ribadu. Obviously, you can only be offended with the young, brilliant officer.

No amount of reviling can change the facts. Ribadu goes down (or UP!) in history as the [b]symbol [/b]of nigeria's anti-corruption fight. His impact on the anti-corruption war was evident. No one can take that from him.

It is only normal to have anti=corruption heroes suffer what Ribadu has gone through. In fact, if all remained well with him, i would have been convinced he was a fake crusader.
All the current happenings only point to the fact that he was for real.

At least, we all know the Mafia, in their hey days. And Nigeria is very much a mafia state.

@ B.O.S.S,

Interestingly, he produced at least 3 great Christian Leaders- W.F.Kumuyi, Mike Okonkwo, and one other one.

@ B.O.S.S,

Merry Christmas to you too!

You may be right about the time lines. I only got to know Adeboye in the '90s.

It is normal for great leaders to be maligned. Even many we hail today were condemned in times gone by. Many were even killed. However, they are heroes today.

A by-the way question: Did Tai and Sheila Solarin believe in Christmas?

I know he disliked religious leaders.

congoshine:
Imagine telling us YOU WILL perform halfway through your 4 year term

Really serious, Congoshine.

Where is the congress? This calls for impeachment proceedings to begin.

But, i'm also feeling the man is honest enough to admit he has not performed.

I think you should turn your blames on the Government.

Over 150 Million nigerians have FULL RIGHTS to that same road, at whatever time, or for whatever purpose.

What a creative govt. should do is to create policies that can reduce traffic therein, and earn some extra revenue from such, which in turn can be used to maintain and expand the road.

Like what is done in London's congestion Zone: Motorists are charged a fee for plying certain areas (central london, the busiest parts). The results -

- Govt rakes in revenue,

- Motorists are discouraged from using the route, especially if they got no serious business there,

- Public transportation is encouraged, which is cheaper, wears the roads less,etc


Being creative on govt's part, will solve many of these simple problems.  

On another note, i think you actually admire, or even adore, Adeboye. There's a name it's called in psychology, i've forgotten.

@ Jakumo,

You exaggerate a bit. The monthly programs haven't been on up to 10 years, to the extent of causing serious traffic jams. The bad traffic started less than a decade ago.

The issues you raised are quite simple to handle. Simply go to the court of law to have the case determined, since you feel your fundamental human rights are trampled upon.

Pray the judge doesn't strike out your case as lacking in merit.

sartorius:
yaradua is a better person than most of our past leaders not a better leader ,

You hit the nail on the head, sartorius.

NNPC guys earn quite a lot money.

But it depends on their job level.

I learn their managers and directors have fat salaries. Even in retirement, monthly pension for those big guys is between 600k - 1M.

Frizy:
People have to be careful on what they say.

I don't understand.

I think you guys didn't get his question.

He is not saying it's wrong to have an hausa man as president. I think he means 'an hausa man like Yar adua'.

I think he's specific on yar adua.

People also said OBJ was ugly. Even MKO. I don't think all that matters. What matters is performance. Yar adua is too ill to perform.

Imagine someone having to do dialysis daily (don't know how true though!). I think he should resign.

It's probably a checkmate by the female gender.

I don't expect much from Yar Adua. He doesn't understand some basics.

He's also probably beclouded by the north-south politics. This has given color to every govt. policy he has come up with.

For instance, instead of seeing Tinapa as a huge tourism potential for Nigeria, he'll look at it as another potential southern power-house (economically) which may further weaken the northern strength.

On banking consolidation, he may look at it as a tool to give financial leverage to the Ibos and Yorubas who control 90% (?) of the industry currently.

Imagine him at some point considering abolishing the free trade zones policy, simply because they were favoring mainly the south - Tinapa, Olokola, Lekki, calabar, Ogun, Onne, etc. And these zones are becoming powerful economic centres. When Tinapa was supposed to have been speedy passage, they rather have tried to strangulate it.

Again, it won't matter who he chooses into his cabinet, water cannot rise above its level. He will be a drag to even his best hands.

@ Jakumo,

Something must have happened to you on that road sometime ago.

That alone can explain your caustic stance.

Or there must be something else? Can we have a hint?

@ Jakumo,

I'm shocked at the ease with which you revile dignitaries.

It isn't cool, whoever it is.

Good question, 2tait.

Think about it this way: If crude prices were to keep dropping, and at every drop, govt reduces the price proportionately, it should get to a time were the product will be free. Which dont make sense.

The idea of subsidy is to keep costs low, in order to stimulate the economy. Unfortunately, that ain't the case.

I think govt should subsidise diesel rather, becos diesel actually runs the economy. Think of it, there will be a direct impact on production costs, which will go downward.

@ ode remo,

really funny!

But we too dey insult our 'celebs'. Why now?

El Rufai is a President in the making. I support him all the way.

A performer par excellence.

A-town:
How does religious affiliation qualify someone to rule a country.
What do you expect to get out of him.
Sermons at the National Assembly.?

Everyone has a religious affiliation. However, as you rightly opined, religious affiliation should not be the qualifying factor.

In the same vein, religious affiliation should not be a disqualifying factor.

Broadly speaking, is Adeboye all about religion?  Do we forget he is first a Scientist? and a PhD holder in Hydrodynamics at that? Let's not be myopic.

Several 'big time' ministers in Nigeria are highly educated: 

Olukoya of MFM - PhD in Molecular Genetics, (Uni. of Reading), plus 1st Class from Unilag. He has recently opened the first Biotechnology Firm in Nigeria- DANIFOL Biotechnology Consult. He has a passion for Molecular sciences, up till now.

W.F.Kumuyi - Unbeaten 1st class honors (mathematics) from U.I, with a renowned PhD theses - Rational approximation on the non negative integers.

I could go on.

Rather than sermons at the Nat. Ass, i think we'll have more of mathematics. I hope you don't cringe with fear, at the thought of good(bad for some), old mathematics.

Lagosboy:
This is about a man been fit or not to be president and I don't think he his.

While everyone has a right to his/her own opinion, it remains purely his/her opinion. And it really doesn't matter!

At least, 45 million people felt Obama wasn't fit to be President. It didn't change anything!

@ post,

MISSION ABORTED AT TAKEOFF !!!

Can't work out! Political parties should be based on ideologies. There is serious ideological conflict here on Nairaland, and it's a reflection of the larger Nigeria.
That's not abnormal though. What should happen should be to have 2 or 3 parties here.

romeo:
It seems you still don't get it with your mai guard and British alma meta!! This is 21st century and not 17th century!! Like we don't know that most schools in Nigeria where started by the missionaries.

So then Romeo, what point are you trying to make ?

I thought you confined the religious institutions and ministers to irrelevance as far as university education is concerned.

At least, you said they should be confined to theological institutions.

So, what exactly is your line of thought? Well, the issue here is about whether or not one would vote for the Pastor.

My take here is, people that have excelled in their chosen fields should be in the shortlist. Then, applying other criteria, we can exclude even more from such list.
I don't see why a man listed as one of the top 50 world influencers in a noted magazine, shouldn't be considered for high office(except he is alredy bigger than the office).

What's your take here?

@ JJYOU,

thanks for this beautiful intervention.

I hope all get to go through your post.  What more should I  say?

romeo:
Your dumbness will not let you know that those people that "wash plates" in some strange countries send home way too many money to Nigeria. Now that's a contribution to the Nigeria economy.

I didn't know what freedom meant until i left the shores of Nigeria, Educational institutions should not be like military barracks. Learning in a University should be pure fun and not the contrary. Back in 2007 i went to one of those "quack" Universities belonging to a popular mega pastor and i was astonished that the person i came to visit could not come out to see me until the permition came from the chief security at the gate and our meeting was monitored for the 30 minutes i was granted to see the person. I was Horrified.

And you call that education? The sub standard university is not even close to the size of my former secondary school back in Nigeria and in the same city. I blame ignorant parents for that.

Those mega pastors can channel their energy in promoting theological institutions or whatever. But all they do is discredit the main institutions of higher learning for their own selfish interests. Building universities every here and there churning out half baked "graduates" like you that doesn't know what freedom means and the importance of it.

Ask Nigerians that came here to do their Masters the difference between studying in Nigeria and outside Nigeria, Socially and academically. The gap is too much, thanks to the mindset of people like you.

I didn't know i was that dumb. Probably the fault of one British Alma Mata.

On a more serious note, it will be nice if you check out the Origins of ALL the IVY LEAGUES.  You probably never knew that Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Cornell, Dartmouth, Pennsylvania, Columbia and Brown all had their founders as Gospel Ministers, or had deep church affiliations.

Let's ride:

Harvard -         founded by the Rev. John Harvard, 1636.
Yale-                founded by colonial clergy men, 1701
Dartmouth-      founded by Reverend Eleazar Wheelock, a Congregational minister, 1769
Brown-             A purely Baptist University, founded in 1762
Columbia-        With Anglican affiliations, 1754
Pennsylvania - First provost was Rev William Smith
Princeton -       with pure Presbyterian roots.

Same goes with Cambridge and Oxford.

And these are the worlds best and most prestigious university. In fact, the 5 of the 8 ivy leagues, had strong puritan(like deeper life today) beginnings. They started as either theological colleges or colleges led by gospel ministers.  You can verify these facts immediately.

Back to your 'freedoms'.  I don't know what university you attended, either Nigeria or abroad, but you come out as one that has either just entered uni., or didn't finish, or went to a 'bottom-range' one. Honestly, while i don't mean to be rude, i need to be forthright.  If you've been to a high quality school in Europe, you'll know it's not fun passing through such.  The newer, easier schools could be fun, but check out their ratings compared with the top schools. 

Even in the USA, there are schools that can give you a PhD in 1 month. I have a friend that got one such, it was fun for him.

On a lighter note,  I've had a Mai guard who was looked upon as the hero of his tiny village in northern Nigeria, because he sent way so much money to them (10,000 a month could be a fortune, u know!). He used to go home with our old clothes, some 'good' English, and some new skills as starting a generator, etc etc.  Well, we always saw him as the Mai guard. 'Washing plates', and stuff like that don't earn you no dignity, man. You could get some change($$$), but the Mai guard is always the Mai guard.

@ B.O.S.S,
thanks for your compliments as regards my other comments. However, let's take the issues you raised bit by bit.

I have not said Adeboye is the president we need, or do not need. No. He is definitely not interested in such.I have only queried the pattern with which we make our judgements and arrive at conclusions. Our responses are basically pre-programed. No critical thinking. We dont ask, what qualities do we need in our would be leader? our responses are stereotyped.

Let me ask you: Do you have a right to the same road more than the other road users? NO. Is it wrong that millions of people want to be motivated and imparted by one like Adeboye? NO. Whose duty is it to provide better, wider roads? Adeboye or govt?

What is liberation? SO what do you think millions of people go to the camp to do? When a man teaches another to excel, be his best, achieve his potential, or helps him get healed, physically, emotionally and spiritually, or helps his fellow man to be a better man in his family, workplace, neighbourhood and society, what do you call that? Is that any much different from true Liberation?

Have you ever read Prince Charles' comments on the redeemed church in London, where he marked his 59th birthday last year? His statement was clear:

[b]"You are all a marvellous example of how so many people whose families originate from the Commonwealth, have yourselves brought new life into the Christian church in the United Kingdom thereby completing the cycle started by missionaries from Britain so many years ago. So we have that to thank you for," he said.

Prince Charles said he was "so impressed" by Jesus House's active involvement in the local community. Members of the congregation run yearly free car wash events and the Spreading Christmas Cheer programme, where they work in London Underground stations giving away hot drinks and mince pies. They also visit the elderly and drop-in centres.

"I must also say that a huge positive contribution to British society is made by a great number of church-going black people," he continued. "I want you to remember that it is highly appreciated by me and more and more by other people. Too often, it seems that the media are interested in the negative and stereotypical but you, if I may say so, are a wonderful and shining example."[/b]

www.christiantoday.com/article/prince.charles.marks.59th.birthday.with.tribute.to.black.churches/14567.htm

What better testimony, and greater improvement the nigerian image?

How true, the statement- A Prophet is not honoured in his own home! NB. I'm not a redeemed member!

Wrongly applied parable!

How do you be kind to criminals and wrongdoers? Then what is order in society all about?

When someone breaches the order, he should be corrected. Have you been to Abuja in recent times? You would appreciate what El Rufai did, and of course,
denigrate what his successor did or didnt.