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Atheists are convinced there is no God Agnostics are convinced no one can know whether God exists or not Theists are convinced God exists. It is obvious everybody cannot be right. I am convinced that God is love, God is good and God is powerful. I'm convinced that God is not human and does not think like us. I'm convinced God is not subject to logic, He created logic as just one of His ways. He is not subject to nature, He created nature as just one of His creations. Was not born a theist; I was not born an agnostic, neither was I born an atheist. I was born a human and so I lived until God revealed Himself to me. I was not a Hindu, Buddhist, Christian, Muslim or any such thing but God revealed Himself to me. In religion people seek to know God by themselves but I can say, you will get confused that way. All you need is a sincere heart kept open and willing to know God and God Who is not far from us, in His own appropriate time will reveal Himself to you. Seek to know Him by Him revealing Himself to you. If you will not give up succeeding or living or comfort or anything else, then you shouldn't give up on expecting God to reveal Himself to you. |
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I hope there are no Christians here trying to convince atheists to believe in God through logic? That type logic only works when faith is in place. I didn't open this thread for that. |
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dalaman: You amaze me. Well, Pastors don't perform tricks and they don't control when miracles happen. To speak intelligently with people of other faith you need to humbly listen to them and understand them even if you don't agree with them. Christianity is a different form of science(yes, science) that has its pattern of operation and know how. If you know and follow the principles, you will get the results. You believe in magic, can you perform one? Does that mean magics don't exist if you can't? Now, you don't believe in miracles so all the ones people talk about are not true just because you refuse to believe it. Your type of atheism is very unscientific and inconsistent with what you say. Your faith is based on unprovable stuffs yet you want us to believe that logic explains everything. I opened this thread just to let people of your persuasion to know that it is wrong to make it look like everything in life has to be logical and explainable to be true. You only talk like that when it comes to religious discussions but several times here you have displayed how humans tend to believe stuffs even when they can't explain it. In ability to logically explain something doesn't make it wrong or right. It can be either. Period. 1 Like |
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frank317: U are amazing. I was not angry, just telling you not to. And I think I already gave my reply. By the way, the " you Christian" stuff is not appropriate. Try not to generalize. |
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frank317: No I'm not. You stepped into a conversation you didn't quite understand. By the way, don't get emotional. Just let's keep the discussion on. |
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One of the most liberating moments of my life are when I was willing to tell people my faults and weaknesses- when I allowed God to use me to let others see they are not the only one going through some experiences that are difficult to share. I remembered how, many years ago, I was prompted in my spirit to tell a lady about a specific sexual experience I once had while growing up. I humbled myself to obey God although it wasn't easy. He would use something most people like to hide to help someone else if we let Him. So I picked up my pen and wrote her a letter telling her my story. Not too long afterwards, I received a letter. It was her reply. She so much appreciated what I wrote and said I gave her the opportunity to open up on the same experience she had been through. She opened up and shared her own story too. She had been ashamed to tell anyone until she received my let and it had affected her for so long. I was happy both for myself and for her. There is another dimension to opening up other than helping someone else. James 5:15-16 linked opening up on sins in ones life with prayers for divine healing. There are people who are keeping secrets of sins that opened the door of their lives to sickness and demonic attacks. It makes it look like God does not have power to heal whereas all they need do is obey God's word with humility: "Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective."(James 5:16 NIV) OPENING UP AND CONFESSING SINS LIBERATES A CHILD OF GOD. However, James 5:14 talked about going to the elders of the church, not a friend or colleague. The purpose is not just about to confess so that you can feel better. You need forgiveness from God. This allows His healing power to flow through you unhindered by sin and darkness. If you've been secretly indulging in a sinful habit you've found difficult to stop or you are going through temptations you are scared to share with anyone. Don't allow fear of being mocked get the best of you. The fear of man is a snare. Open up to a spiritually matured Christian or leader around you or send us a message. If you are born again, God has given you the ability to overcome. You are not the old sinner saved by grace. No, you are a new creature kept by grace. The old sinner who can't say No to sin died with Jesus on the cross. (Read Romans 6: 1-4, 9-13) You may feel weak and powerless but Jesus Christ in you is greater than your challenge. What you are experiencing is the smoke, the real fire of addiction and sin was quenched on the cross when Jesus died for you so call on Him and receive your forgiveness and grace to live in the victory that is already yours. Please contact me for further counselling or testimony on Godandfamily@hotmail.com You can also join our fellowship with God this Sunday at 5, Olufemi Odeku Close, Off Ogungbayi Street, Off Otunba Street, Ojodu Lagos. TIME: 10am - 11.30am We are continuing on a series titled " God Is Not Against You." Topic: The Unknown God II God bless you! |
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keenn: Humans have complex interaction of chemicals as their 'houses'. We are more than that. Plants don't have self-awareness but they have life. There will be no reflexes when all cells have lost life. You will see that in the morgue. So brain stem death is not lose of life, it is just part of a process we call death. Moreover humans may lose self awareness and still have functioning brain stem. |
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@ Dalaman A patient was talking with a Doctor and he said, "I don't know what is causing my headache neither do you." That you don't have an information and that you don't believe anyone else can have it doesn't mean nobody else has it. Well, to your credit, you've admitted you don't know what is responsible for life. Permit to ask you another question: Science says, • Everything moves in a state of rest or uniform motion until an external force is applied to it. What was the external force that created nature and random movement of particles in matter? |
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keenn: Thanks for your response Keenn. My question, however, is " Is he JUST a complex interaction of chemicals?" and "What is life?" When the brain stem is dead, you may be aware, other reflexes controlled by the spinal cord may still be functioning. Science says the person is dead but millions of cells are still alive and functioning. So what is life? Where does it come from? |
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keenn: Not all information get to the brain for action. Some take place at the level of the spinal cord. If you've decapitated fowl and still see it flapping its wings before, you can get what I mean. About signals outside 5 senses, let me illustrate with an experience. I had a set of twins in my class. One of them just without reason started crying and she couldn't explain why. Someone suggested they look for her sister. They found her crying too, she was beaten up. Several times I have also experienced situations where a song is on my mind and someone else suddenly starts singing it out loud. There are several recorded cases of people getting to know things that is not naturally possible to know by reason of the 5 senses sending signals to the brain. |
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KingEbukasBlog: As far as some atheists are concerned, if it cannot be explained "scientifically" it does not exist so far they didn't see it themselves. Some will even say it is not true even if they see it because it doesn't fit in to their small box. But they would believe "scientific" studies flawed in hypothesis and/or methodology even when not involved in the studies. l 2 Likes 2 Shares |
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winner01: I appreciate your comments. But kindly treat others with respect. Let's see if rational arguments will be sustained. I refer to the use of "dullard." |
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plaetton: What you call "Scientific studies" are only applicable where miracles are not involved. Atheists are the ones who refuse to believe in the possibility of miracles. Theists believe natural science and also believe in supernatural science that, among other things, involves miracles. So we cannot start discussion on that when you don't consider its possibility even when it happens every day. The existence of the natural does not rule out the existence of the supernatural. In fact, the existence of one depends on the other. Theists are simply asking atheists to not close their minds to knowledge just because it comes from a different source than they are used to. True science is open to new ideas but I keep meeting people who claim to believe in science yet don't think like one. If I may ask, how will scientific research prove that virgin birth CANNOT happen? It can only prove that it DOES NOT happen. They are two different things. And my teachers in science told me, "Never say, 'Never' ." |
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frank317:. I'm expecting dalaman's response to my question on what makes up a human being-- are we just chemicals interacting? The answer to your question is in what we are made up of. |
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plaetton: The error of many atheists is that they pretend not to know that theists are not just religious people. They are surgeons, astronauts, engineers, biologists etc. Atheists seems not to get the message that atheism is not synonymous to science. When you decide that only one part of your brain is useful in certain discussions, then you should know that such pattern of thinking is strange. Normal humans don't just think logically but that's the kind of thinking atheists like to make conclusions about God on. The day atheists wake up from this slumber they may begin to understand what theists have been telling them all along. |
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dalaman: What is a man made up of? Is man just a living complex interaction of chemicals? What is life? What makes the difference between a "corpse" placed on life support and a corpse transfered to the mortuary? |
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dalaman: These two statements are wrong. Please read up on them and don't use such as arguments. You will not hear experts in the field making such statements. That was my first lesson in psychiatry class and the "conclusion" was inconclusive. The mind has capacity to pick up signals outside the senses. You do things without the involvement of your brain. |
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Nitefury: Well, you may be right. She is your boss. |
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onetrack: Thanks for accepting that being irrational and emotional is part of humanity. Atheists should stop using this as a weapon in criticizing religion because there is more to humans than the 5 senses can perceive. Shutting down other uses of the mind except rationality in your approach to religion is more irrational than believing in a God you can't see is. There are things you will never understand except you first believe. |
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finofaya: These are not just my ideas. Most of them are research based and are logical. Which ones are you against and what is your basis for the disagreement. |
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Weah96: You didn't get the gist. It's not about atheism or mind reading. It just means humans- including atheists- make decisions based on environmental suggestion not necessarily based on logic or rationality. It also means that logic can be very wrong when you don't have all the required information to make it right- whether you know what these information are or not. |
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Nitefury: I can say with a level of certainty that she is insecure. If she faces and deals with her insecurities she may become one of the best bosses anyone could have. |
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Pyrrho: God claims can be substantiated God's way. Lack of capacity to substantiate God claims man's way is a proof of limitation for man. Even atheists can talk to God and ask Him to reveal Himself if He truly exists. There is no harm in talking to someone you are not sure exists so far His existence means He can hear you. But to hold on to uncertainty and not try at all is also being closed-minded. 1 Like |
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Pyrrho: Emmm, my write up has been influenced by the type of atheists I have met, including on Nairaland. They are as closed-minded to reasons different from theirs as any religious fundamentalist can be. I tell them that it is unreasonable to say there is no God just because you don't have the capacity to prove whether or not God exists. In other words, their believe is as irrational- if not more- as they like to claim religious people are. |
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A careful study of the old testament shows that it was specifically directed to the Jews. In fact it excluded other nations.(Ephesians 2:11-13; Colossians 2:14) We can learn from it but are not bound to its rituals and rules. Someone said it this way, "The old testament is written for us but the new testament is written to us." And about the tithes someone mentioned earlier. People hold on to tithes and discard other stuff as old testament. Christians are equally not bound to PAY tithe. They may choose to GIVE tithe or more like Abraham did before the law came. Abraham did not pay tithes, he only GAVE tithe from the proceeds of war- not even from his regular business (Hebrews 7:4) We have teachings on giving and not tithing in the new testament- except you decide to give tithes or more on your own like Abraham, not because of Malachi 3:10. 1 Like |
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DipoDee: You spoke like God's senior brother. People learn more when they ask questions with a desire to know what is true. |
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Some people need to be enlightened that their believes are planned and executed by demons before they run to Jesus the truth. Many Muslims who convert to Christianity still need to deal with anger problems and stubbornness with the true word of God. https://www.nairaland.com/2774307/dar-al-islam-house-islam-not The negative impact of the spirit of Islam is so great, the world is just dealing with offshoot in terrorism |
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Pyrrho: To atheists who believe their faith in rationality makes them different from those have faith in God. This article simply says atheists are not as rational as they think. They are actually thinking more narrowly than humans are designed to think when it comes to religion. |
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Atheism seems to be the BELIEVE a certain group of religious people hold on to religiously. cc Lalasticlacla |
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