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Religion / Why This Confusion Agnostics, Atheists, Theists by Godsfamilymemba: 9:53pm On Dec 04, 2015
Atheists are convinced there is no God

Agnostics are convinced no one can know whether God exists or not

Theists are convinced God exists.

It is obvious everybody cannot be right.


I am convinced that God is love, God is good and God is powerful. I'm convinced that God is not human and does not think like us.

I'm convinced God is not subject to logic, He created logic as just one of His ways. He is not subject to nature, He created nature as just one of His creations.

Was not born a theist; I was not born an agnostic, neither was I born an atheist. I was born a human and so I lived until God revealed Himself to me.

I was not a Hindu, Buddhist, Christian, Muslim or any such thing but God revealed Himself to me. In religion people seek to know God by themselves but I can say, you will get confused that way.
All you need is a sincere heart kept open and willing to know God and God Who is not far from us, in His own appropriate time will reveal Himself to you. Seek to know Him by Him revealing Himself to you.

If you will not give up succeeding or living or comfort or anything else, then you shouldn't give up on expecting God to reveal Himself to you.
Religion / Re: Atheists Make More 'spiritual', 'emotional' Irrational Decisions Than They Admit by Godsfamilymemba: 6:44pm On Dec 04, 2015
I hope there are no Christians here trying to convince atheists to believe in God through logic? That type logic only works when faith is in place. I didn't open this thread for that.
Religion / Re: Atheists Make More 'spiritual', 'emotional' Irrational Decisions Than They Admit by Godsfamilymemba: 6:16pm On Dec 04, 2015
dalaman:


1000 naira note changing to 100 naira note involves simple magic tricks. Google Richard Angle, Darren Brown and David Copperfield. They are the greatest magician alive. They perform tricks no pastor or babalawo can ever perform. They both say there there is nothing like supernatural power any where and all of them are atheist. James Randi is another world renowned magician who has dropped a million dollars for any body that can demonstrate the supernatural in action under controlled environment. Many people with so called supernatural abilities went and failed. The money is yet to be won. You just sit there in some remote part of Nigeria thinking you know or have experience anything. You are a funny fellow.

You amaze me.

Well, Pastors don't perform tricks and they don't control when miracles happen.

To speak intelligently with people of other faith you need to humbly listen to them and understand them even if you don't agree with them. Christianity is a different form of science(yes, science) that has its pattern of operation and know how. If you know and follow the principles, you will get the results.

You believe in magic, can you perform one? Does that mean magics don't exist if you can't? Now, you don't believe in miracles so all the ones people talk about are not true just because you refuse to believe it. Your type of atheism is very unscientific and inconsistent with what you say. Your faith is based on unprovable stuffs yet you want us to believe that logic explains everything.

I opened this thread just to let people of your persuasion to know that it is wrong to make it look like everything in life has to be logical and explainable to be true. You only talk like that when it comes to religious discussions but several times here you have displayed how humans tend to believe stuffs even when they can't explain it. In ability to logically explain something doesn't make it wrong or right. It can be either. Period.

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Religion / Re: Atheists Make More 'spiritual', 'emotional' Irrational Decisions Than They Admit by Godsfamilymemba: 5:44pm On Dec 04, 2015
frank317:



whats emotional here? u christians just get mad over nothing.

let me rephrase the bold so that u can there is no reason to think i meant to insult u...

are you not aware that specific areas of the brain have specific functions. Do u now get it?

U are amazing. I was not angry, just telling you not to. And I think I already gave my reply.

By the way, the " you Christian" stuff is not appropriate. Try not to generalize.
Religion / Re: Atheists Make More 'spiritual', 'emotional' Irrational Decisions Than They Admit by Godsfamilymemba: 4:33pm On Dec 04, 2015
frank317:


Does a dog or cat have awareness? Can you tell? If you can how did you know

If humans have lost awareness with functional brain, ti what extent can you say the brain is functional. Are you ignorant of the fact that specific areas of the brain has specific functions?

No I'm not. You stepped into a conversation you didn't quite understand.
By the way, don't get emotional. Just let's keep the discussion on.
Religion / Opening Up Is Not Weakness, Learn To Experience & Express God's Love by Godsfamilymemba: 4:09pm On Dec 04, 2015
One of the most liberating moments of my life are when I was willing to tell people my faults and weaknesses- when I allowed God to use me to let others see they are not the only one going through some experiences that are difficult to share.

I remembered how, many years ago, I was prompted in my spirit to tell a lady about a specific sexual experience I once had while growing up. I humbled myself to obey God although it wasn't easy. He would use something most people like to hide to help someone else if we let Him. So I picked up my pen and wrote her a letter telling her my story.
Not too long afterwards, I received a letter. It was her reply. She so much appreciated what I wrote and said I gave her the opportunity to open up on the same experience she had been through. She opened up and shared her own story too. She had been ashamed to tell anyone until she received my let and it had affected her for so long. I was happy both for myself and for her.

There is another dimension to opening up other than helping someone else. James 5:15-16 linked opening up on sins in ones life with prayers for divine healing. There are people who are keeping secrets of sins that opened the door of their lives to sickness and demonic attacks. It makes it look like God does not have power to heal whereas all they need do is obey God's word with humility:

"Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective."(James 5:16 NIV)

OPENING UP AND CONFESSING SINS LIBERATES A CHILD OF GOD. However, James 5:14 talked about going to the elders of the church, not a friend or colleague. The purpose is not just about to confess so that you can feel better. You need forgiveness from God. This allows His healing power to flow through you unhindered by sin and darkness.

If you've been secretly indulging in a sinful habit you've found difficult to stop or you are going through temptations you are scared to share with anyone. Don't allow fear of being mocked get the best of you. The fear of man is a snare. Open up to a spiritually matured Christian or leader around you or send us a message. If you are born again, God has given you the ability to overcome. You are not the old sinner saved by grace. No, you are a new creature kept by grace. The old sinner who can't say No to sin died with Jesus on the cross. (Read Romans 6: 1-4, 9-13)

You may feel weak and powerless but Jesus Christ in you is greater than your challenge. What you are experiencing is the smoke, the real fire of addiction and sin was quenched on the cross when Jesus died for you so call on Him and receive your forgiveness and grace to live in the victory that is already yours.
Please contact me for further counselling or testimony on Godandfamily@hotmail.com


You can also join our fellowship with God this Sunday at 5, Olufemi Odeku Close, Off Ogungbayi Street, Off Otunba Street, Ojodu Lagos. TIME: 10am - 11.30am

We are continuing on a series titled " God Is Not Against You." Topic: The Unknown God II

God bless you!
Religion / Re: Atheists Make More 'spiritual', 'emotional' Irrational Decisions Than They Admit by Godsfamilymemba: 2:07pm On Dec 04, 2015
keenn:


I'll repeat myself again, he his a complex interactions of chemivals.

Life is the awareness of self, through the functioning of the higher centers,specifically the cerebrum...and this can be determined by presence of wave pattern on the encephalogram.

anything deviating from this has no live, even when reflexes are intact.

Humans have complex interaction of chemicals as their 'houses'. We are more than that.
Plants don't have self-awareness but they have life.
There will be no reflexes when all cells have lost life. You will see that in the morgue. So brain stem death is not lose of life, it is just part of a process we call death. Moreover humans may lose self awareness and still have functioning brain stem.
Religion / Re: Atheists Make More 'spiritual', 'emotional' Irrational Decisions Than They Admit by Godsfamilymemba: 10:43pm On Dec 03, 2015
@ Dalaman A patient was talking with a Doctor and he said, "I don't know what is causing my headache neither do you."

That you don't have an information and that you don't believe anyone else can have it doesn't mean nobody else has it.

Well, to your credit, you've admitted you don't know what is responsible for life. Permit to ask you another question:

Science says,

• Everything moves in a state of rest or uniform motion until an external force is applied to it. What was the external force that created nature and random movement of particles in matter?
Religion / Re: Atheists Make More 'spiritual', 'emotional' Irrational Decisions Than They Admit by Godsfamilymemba: 9:53pm On Dec 03, 2015
keenn:



Yes he is a living complex interaction of chemicals

The difference is because of a functional Medula oblongata, a component og the hind brain, this part controls all unconscious activity and muscles not attached to bone - bteathing, respiration, digestion, circulation ...

the absence of a functional cerebrum is the absence of conscious existence/life.

Thanks for your response Keenn.
My question, however, is " Is he JUST a complex interaction of chemicals?" and "What is life?"
When the brain stem is dead, you may be aware, other reflexes controlled by the spinal cord may still be functioning. Science says the person is dead but millions of cells are still alive and functioning. So what is life? Where does it come from?
Religion / Re: Atheists Make More 'spiritual', 'emotional' Irrational Decisions Than They Admit by Godsfamilymemba: 9:50pm On Dec 03, 2015
winner01:
Why not answer questions with answers and not more questions.. angry
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Religion / Re: Atheists Make More 'spiritual', 'emotional' Irrational Decisions Than They Admit by Godsfamilymemba: 9:33pm On Dec 03, 2015
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Religion / Re: Atheists Make More 'spiritual', 'emotional' Irrational Decisions Than They Admit by Godsfamilymemba: 8:10pm On Dec 03, 2015
keenn:
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Nigga, what is ur profession?

Did u just say u do things without the involvement of ur brain?

I think we should understand what u mean by brain, if u mean brain as in cerebrum , I agree, but what the OP meant was the total brain, fore, mid and hind brain inclusive.

Where else can mind pick senses from?

You do things like?


Not all information get to the brain for action. Some take place at the level of the spinal cord. If you've decapitated fowl and still see it flapping its wings before, you can get what I mean.

About signals outside 5 senses, let me illustrate with an experience. I had a set of twins in my class. One of them just without reason started crying and she couldn't explain why. Someone suggested they look for her sister. They found her crying too, she was beaten up.
Several times I have also experienced situations where a song is on my mind and someone else suddenly starts singing it out loud.

There are several recorded cases of people getting to know things that is not naturally possible to know by reason of the 5 senses sending signals to the brain.
Religion / Re: Atheists Make More 'spiritual', 'emotional' Irrational Decisions Than They Admit by Godsfamilymemba: 7:32pm On Dec 03, 2015
KingEbukasBlog:


There is nothing logical in asserting that life has no creator and ...

I was on the magic money thread and people narrated their experiences in the hands of the fraudulent magicians . I expected an atheist to explain the science of 1000 notes "mysteriously" changing to 10 or 100 naira notes after a period of time . So disappointed that no one showed up sad to explain how different people across different cities experienced the same kind of fraud and there was nothing enigmatic about their experiences .

Apparently , the atheists turn a blind eye to anything that beats their dumb logic .

So Weah96 , can you explain using logic and science why how 1000 naira notes could change to 100 naira notes inside a drawer

As far as some atheists are concerned, if it cannot be explained "scientifically" it does not exist so far they didn't see it themselves. Some will even say it is not true even if they see it because it doesn't fit in to their small box. But they would believe "scientific" studies flawed in hypothesis and/or methodology even when not involved in the studies.
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Religion / Re: Atheists Make More 'spiritual', 'emotional' Irrational Decisions Than They Admit by Godsfamilymemba: 6:26pm On Dec 03, 2015
winner01:
Maybe you should tell us, afterall the dullard made the initial claim.

I appreciate your comments. But kindly treat others with respect. Let's see if rational arguments will be sustained. I refer to the use of "dullard."
Religion / Re: Atheists Make More 'spiritual', 'emotional' Irrational Decisions Than They Admit by Godsfamilymemba: 6:11pm On Dec 03, 2015
plaetton:


The point eludes you still.

So, let me try again.

Scientific studies are good only when it helps your arguments against atheism ?

But same scientific studies, when focused on religious superstitions, then become the work of rebellious non- believers or the devil.

I simply why you don't apply scientific studies , for example, in examining how a virgin can birth a child.

What you call "Scientific studies" are only applicable where miracles are not involved.

Atheists are the ones who refuse to believe in the possibility of miracles. Theists believe natural science and also believe in supernatural science that, among other things, involves miracles. So we cannot start discussion on that when you don't consider its possibility even when it happens every day.

The existence of the natural does not rule out the existence of the supernatural. In fact, the existence of one depends on the other. Theists are simply asking atheists to not close their minds to knowledge just because it comes from a different source than they are used to.

True science is open to new ideas but I keep meeting people who claim to believe in science yet don't think like one.

If I may ask, how will scientific research prove that virgin birth CANNOT happen? It can only prove that it DOES NOT happen. They are two different things. And my teachers in science told me, "Never say, 'Never' ."
Religion / Re: Atheists Make More 'spiritual', 'emotional' Irrational Decisions Than They Admit by Godsfamilymemba: 4:36pm On Dec 03, 2015
frank317:


whats this? where is the mind located
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I'm expecting dalaman's response to my question on what makes up a human being-- are we just chemicals interacting? The answer to your question is in what we are made up of.
Religion / Re: Atheists Make More 'spiritual', 'emotional' Irrational Decisions Than They Admit by Godsfamilymemba: 3:23pm On Dec 03, 2015
dalaman:


Your statement:
The mind is the sum total of all the neurological activities that go on in the human brain. You can't reason or do anything without the brain. We all have brains and your own behavior can be altered when your brain is altered. The mind is the function of the brain, the brain can be seen and has been worked on in various ways with various results. Material substance like alcohol and drugs affect the brain and it's function so , you aren't asking a serious question that isn't known or hasn't been experimented with.

My Response:
Mind is not function of brain. The mind is more than the brain has capacity to operate.

Your Statement:
Please tell this God of yours which you are in a relationship with to tell you exactly when he created the universe, He should give you the exact time and date and tell you how many days he used in creating the universe. That shouldn't be difficult for you since you claims you are in a very serious relationship with this God idea of your.


My Response:
If he tells you what God spoke to him about that will you believe him?


Your Statement:
I have told you that God is a man made idea that is why there are many different Gods and may different religions.

My Response:
Does that mean that the existence of fakes is a proof that originals don't exist

Your Statement:
The religion you chose to follow is based purely by birth.


My Response:
Did you know him that much? You even know those who didn't change religion just by online interaction? This is part of the irrational stuffs I talked about but you are not using it rightly here.

Your Statement:
If you were born into a muslim family in Iran yo would have been a Shite muslim, if you were born into a Hindu family in Nepal you would have been a Hindu. You are a christian only because you were born into a christian family in Nigeria. Stop talking about God as if there is such a being out there that exist, there is no such thing, what exist is just the idea, the people that subscribe and believe those ideas and the system that was created based on the theology and doctrines based on that God idea.
Even within your religion there are different concepts of this God idea, the Catholics for example have a very different God idea compared to the Pentecostal word of faith movement or the Aladora/ cherubim and seraphim white garment wearing Christians. They might profess God but when you look deep inside you will see that they all have very different ideas of what this God is to them all.


My Response:
Maybe Pyrrho can now understand what I meant about the kind of atheists I said I've been meeting. You are making assertive statements over what you don't have prove for yet you say only evidence (better still, what YOU prefer to be the evidence) is required for God to exist.YOU ARE BEING UNFAIR TO YOUR BRAIN AND TO YOUR HUMANITY. Hope you are not offended? Just stating what I think about how you think.

Religion / Re: Atheists Make More 'spiritual', 'emotional' Irrational Decisions Than They Admit by Godsfamilymemba: 2:03pm On Dec 03, 2015
plaetton:


Lol.

So. You're putting your faith in scientific studies only when it suits you ?

Big laugh.

The error of many atheists is that they pretend not to know that theists are not just religious people. They are surgeons, astronauts, engineers, biologists etc. Atheists seems not to get the message that atheism is not synonymous to science.

When you decide that only one part of your brain is useful in certain discussions, then you should know that such pattern of thinking is strange. Normal humans don't just think logically but that's the kind of thinking atheists like to make conclusions about God on. The day atheists wake up from this slumber they may begin to understand what theists have been telling them all along.
Religion / Re: Atheists Make More 'spiritual', 'emotional' Irrational Decisions Than They Admit by Godsfamilymemba: 1:44pm On Dec 03, 2015
dalaman:


What is the mind? Is the mind something that exist on it's own outside the function of the brain?

What is a man made up of? Is man just a living complex interaction of chemicals? What is life? What makes the difference between a "corpse" placed on life support and a corpse transfered to the mortuary?
Religion / Re: Atheists Make More 'spiritual', 'emotional' Irrational Decisions Than They Admit by Godsfamilymemba: 12:48pm On Dec 03, 2015
dalaman:


The mind is the sum total of all the neurological activities that go on in the human brain. You can't reason or do anything without the brain.

These two statements are wrong. Please read up on them and don't use such as arguments. You will not hear experts in the field making such statements. That was my first lesson in psychiatry class and the "conclusion" was inconclusive.

The mind has capacity to pick up signals outside the senses. You do things without the involvement of your brain.
Business / Re: Extrovert Bosses Destroy Their Greatest "Assets" Before They Start Working by Godsfamilymemba: 7:18am On Dec 03, 2015
Nitefury:


I wouldn't exactly say she's insecure. But I think her growing up, past working career and bosses all played lots of roles in how she relates with her staff today. More like she's from an era where you are expected to be a yes man or something of that sort to your superiors.

She's a sweet boss actually and truly knows the job in truth.

But I just wish she'll hear me (and my colleagues) out once in a while.

Well, you may be right. She is your boss.
Religion / Re: Atheists Make More 'spiritual', 'emotional' Irrational Decisions Than They Admit by Godsfamilymemba: 12:19am On Dec 03, 2015
onetrack:
Atheists are not robots. Humans are irrational by nature. No surprise that atheists can be irrational or emotional. But it does not mean that I believe in any god.

Thanks for accepting that being irrational and emotional is part of humanity.

Atheists should stop using this as a weapon in criticizing religion because there is more to humans than the 5 senses can perceive.

Shutting down other uses of the mind except rationality in your approach to religion is more irrational than believing in a God you can't see is.
There are things you will never understand except you first believe.
Religion / Re: Atheists Make More 'spiritual', 'emotional' Irrational Decisions Than They Admit by Godsfamilymemba: 12:04am On Dec 03, 2015
finofaya:
I don't concur with much of your OP but at least you agree that it is rational to consider the possibility that God does not exist. I don't think you would agree that it is rational to consider for example the possibility that the thing we call our Sun does not exist. I think this tells us something about the nature of the so called God.

These are not just my ideas. Most of them are research based and are logical. Which ones are you against and what is your basis for the disagreement.
Religion / Re: Atheists Make More 'spiritual', 'emotional' Irrational Decisions Than They Admit by Godsfamilymemba: 12:00am On Dec 03, 2015
Weah96:


Don't kill me with laff. Mind reading and atheism are two different things. Which kyn retail store dichotomy is dis one sef? Are you telling me that you will do business in a store where all the agents are either mute or slow?

You didn't get the gist. It's not about atheism or mind reading. It just means humans- including atheists- make decisions based on environmental suggestion not necessarily based on logic or rationality.

It also means that logic can be very wrong when you don't have all the required information to make it right- whether you know what these information are or not.
Business / Re: Extrovert Bosses Destroy Their Greatest "Assets" Before They Start Working by Godsfamilymemba: 9:24pm On Dec 02, 2015
Nitefury:
My boss needs to read this..

Always shouting down your opinions or whatever one has to say once it doesn't align with her thoughts. Quick to remind you of the fact that she got many merit awards in the civil service.

So I just got fed up with the "you know nothing", "I wonder the type of graduate you are" "You don't have a teachable spirit" etc. and decided to agree to everything she says or keep quiet.

Obviously she enjoys the drama of arguing and shouting people down when they try to state their case (perhaps only that way proves she's the boss to her), because the week that followed my withdrawal wasn't funny.

"You're angry", "You have girl issues. Leave girls and face your work", "At my age I know when a child is having grudges" etc are few of the things she said in a bid to break my shell.. I didn't even argue with her, but in my head I was cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy I don tire to fight you madam

I can say with a level of certainty that she is insecure. If she faces and deals with her insecurities she may become one of the best bosses anyone could have.
Religion / Re: Atheists Make More 'spiritual', 'emotional' Irrational Decisions Than They Admit by Godsfamilymemba: 9:06pm On Dec 02, 2015
Pyrrho:

Many are agnostic-atheist, all God claims cannot be substantiated and should therefore be discarded as truth.

God claims can be substantiated God's way. Lack of capacity to substantiate God claims man's way is a proof of limitation for man. Even atheists can talk to God and ask Him to reveal Himself if He truly exists. There is no harm in talking to someone you are not sure exists so far His existence means He can hear you. But to hold on to uncertainty and not try at all is also being closed-minded.

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Religion / Re: Atheists Make More 'spiritual', 'emotional' Irrational Decisions Than They Admit by Godsfamilymemba: 2:45pm On Dec 02, 2015
Pyrrho:
I disagree with you on this one.

Atheist are mostly sceptics, people who sought to understand more. They aren't willing to settle for some primitive write-ups of alien cultures as authoritative submissions.

Being religious is actually easier than being an atheist in this part of the world especially.

Accepting that no one has answers beyond this existence is a bitter pill to swallow.

I respect atheists. They are never as dogmatic as theists.
It isn't really a show of intelligence for agnostics like me to present our arguments, it is mostly to refute theistic claims.

It is not about being better, it isn't a matter of pride.

Emmm, my write up has been influenced by the type of atheists I have met, including on Nairaland. They are as closed-minded to reasons different from theirs as any religious fundamentalist can be.

I tell them that it is unreasonable to say there is no God just because you don't have the capacity to prove whether or not God exists. In other words, their believe is as irrational- if not more- as they like to claim religious people are.
Religion / Re: Is Menstruation Now A Sin Unto God??? by Godsfamilymemba: 2:15pm On Dec 02, 2015
A careful study of the old testament shows that it was specifically directed to the Jews. In fact it excluded other nations.(Ephesians 2:11-13; Colossians 2:14) We can learn from it but are not bound to its rituals and rules.

Someone said it this way, "The old testament is written for us but the new testament is written to us."

And about the tithes someone mentioned earlier. People hold on to tithes and discard other stuff as old testament. Christians are equally not bound to PAY tithe. They may choose to GIVE tithe or more like Abraham did before the law came. Abraham did not pay tithes, he only GAVE tithe from the proceeds of war- not even from his regular business (Hebrews 7:4) We have teachings on giving and not tithing in the new testament- except you decide to give tithes or more on your own like Abraham, not because of Malachi 3:10.

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Religion / Re: Is Menstruation Now A Sin Unto God??? by Godsfamilymemba: 1:55pm On Dec 02, 2015
DipoDee:
The subjugation of women started right from the bible, the world just followed suit.

If God had treated women better, there wouldn't have been any need for feminism and whatnots now.

You spoke like God's senior brother.
People learn more when they ask questions with a desire to know what is true.
Religion / Re: Mohammeds First Vision: What Honest Muslims Don't Know by Godsfamilymemba: 1:43pm On Dec 02, 2015
Some people need to be enlightened that their believes are planned and executed by demons before they run to Jesus the truth.

Many Muslims who convert to Christianity still need to deal with anger problems and stubbornness with the true word of God.

https://www.nairaland.com/2774307/dar-al-islam-house-islam-not

The negative impact of the spirit of Islam is so great, the world is just dealing with offshoot in terrorism
Religion / Re: Atheists Make More 'spiritual', 'emotional' Irrational Decisions Than They Admit by Godsfamilymemba: 1:25pm On Dec 02, 2015
Pyrrho:
Every animal, intelligent or unintelligent, would do as you claim atheist do.

Even a dog would prefer someone who treats him better, baiting an animal is the oldest method of hunting.

Would you say a dog has faith because he expects milk in his plates?

Survival is a basic instinct in animals.

What is so special about your claim?

To atheists who believe their faith in rationality makes them different from those have faith in God. This article simply says atheists are not as rational as they think. They are actually thinking more narrowly than humans are designed to think when it comes to religion.
Religion / Re: Atheists Make More 'spiritual', 'emotional' Irrational Decisions Than They Admit by Godsfamilymemba: 12:03pm On Dec 02, 2015
Atheism seems to be the BELIEVE a certain group of religious people hold on to religiously.

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