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thorrvik55:
Please kindly answer dis question:

WHAT IS AN ADAMA TRAORE?

ask oga raumdeuter

biomustry:
He's the bestest, remove chances though

blueraydick, this is the post i quoted.

larride:
What about;

Dribbles attempted/completed?
Chances created?

the one that biomustry quoted. now you can see that the nigga thought hazard was just about dribbling and nothing meaningful to his game.
now when i made my post, i knew that messi would be ahead of hazard for chances created since he began his professional career and i also know that hazard had at one time come top for chances created in europe in his career and contrary to what the guy was thinking, hazard is one of the most creative players in europe. he is never an Adama Traore.

BlueRayDick:
But ....but.. You called him the best chance creator since he started professional football without any prove , which prompted me asking you what exactly you mean by chance creator. Now I showed you list of chance creators since 2006 and you want to know where he ranks amongst the elites.

From 2006 till 2018 when the was collated Ozil had played 354 games creating 1033 chances , while Hazard has played 363 creating 794 chances


Is he no longer number 1 ?

Can you show me where i said i said the bolded?

BlueRayDick:
I was waiting for you to say this

So Odoi hasn't started his full professional career laidis?

Okay oya address the number of games played and chances created. Turn the Amala well well no let am burn o

i don't know where to get such stat. If you know, you can get it let us see where hazard ranks among the elites.

So, that we Can know if he can be in the discussion for top chance creators

BlueRayDick:
Bros hazard started pro football in 2007, a year after the data collation started. Would you be kind enough to post the data from 2007 to back up your loads of chances claim please?

It's like you don't even know Hazard has played more matches than ozil and yet has created like 300 chances lesser than him sef

oga, it takes nothing to make good research. Hazard started his full professional career in 2009. Before then he was only getting few substitute appearances like what odoi is doing at Chelsea now. Infact, hazard started playing as much as odoi has played now in 2008

Olalekank:
Help me ask abeg o
He was probably 15/16 then and if he was in Nigeria would have been preparing to write Jamb.

The poster should be ashamed that Hazard is on the list

don't mind them. If they want to slander hazard they should look for other metrics, not chances created because hazard creates loads of it

biomustry:
4-5 players sir i guess

name them, please

BlueRayDick:
I don't really know if the screenshot below fits into what you defined up there

so hazard started his full professional career in 2006?

BlueRayDick:
Define chances here please

A pass/cross that is instrumental in creating a goal-scoring opportunity, for example a corner or free-kick to a player who then assists an attempt, a chance-creating through ball or cross into a dangerous position.



this is the opta definition

biomustry:
He's the bestest, remove chances though

the problem i have with you guys is that you rush to rundown a player you don't know.


How many players do you know in the world that has created more chances than Hazard since he became a full professional?

FBS:
Wetin him do? He had an assist and could have had more if others converted those chances. So what is the problem?

People will just be shouting Willian this and that? And to imagine Barca and psg wanted to sign such a "rubbish" player.

People sha.

No second guessing that some people here have never kicked anything other than a can of tinned tomatoes and that might even be far-fetched.

Shioor.

so your verdict is that he played well?

diggz:
How exactly do you expect arsenal to take advantage of it? Or n.a. soft landing incase dem flog your guy naim you dey prepare for your guy as usual ?

na em way. You don know am

Griffon:
Shout out to all the first born sons in the house, I hail una.

This period I walk and think, dafuq I even sleep and think!

i dey hail o.

Unlimited22:
Y'all are invited. 4th of February it is. No blame me o, na just this evening them make am official.

congrats

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i don't understand. they are supposed to be through with the recruitment. i got info from one off the recruiters that they have already concluded shortlisting as at last week.

nihilistjnr:
4231 for me is now the obvious formation.

Azpi--Rudiger--Akpuruka2/Chris/Ampadu-Alonso/Emerson
-----Kante--Akpuruka1/Akpuruka2-----
---Pedro/CHO---Hazard---Willy----
-------------Higuain----------------



I'm hearing Willy may be off to PSG sha

that is the Obvious thing for a sensible person, UNFortunately sarri is not one.

Even as i wish that sarri should be sacked, something tells me that he won't be sacked. Why?

Because Roman Abramovic is now more concerned about making profit than winning trophies. That is the only logical reason to the signing of sarri [a man yet to win a spoon in his life] and employment of marina.


Marina is there to do the business and get profit [through loans and sales. - Reasons they always want to balance buys with sales].
The problem is that the woman is doing 'penny wise, pounds foolish'.


Sarri is there to maintain balance in football performances with ucl qualifications [for the money].
Now this is against what chelsea used to be when Roman first came.

Conte could not fit into their plans because he is a winner and loves to win always and so it didn't work out.

Now, if this is the direction the club wants to take, no problem. the should stop destroying the careers of players like hazard and Kante. They should allow them to go and start bringing up players from the academy..

But, if Roman is confused on what he really wants, then he should sell our club and go and invest the money in another type of business.

Chai, Roman please don't fail to sack sarri and marina today.


If Roman can't sack marina, then he should please sell the club to someone who will value football results than money

BikeMan:
This Sarri doesn't understand Premier League,if he fails to qualify for UCL please sack him

you mean they should wait until he does not qualify us before sacking him?

The draw means in the space of five weeks Ole Gunnar Solskjaer's side will play Paris Saint-Germain twice in the Champions League, Liverpool (H), Arsenal (A) and Manchester City (H) in the Premier League, along with the FA Cup tie at Stamford Bridge.





This is one of the reasons epl teams suffer in the CL.

nihilistjnr:
Honestly there's powerful niggadry at work here.

We may need to exorcise the spirit of amala out of brother Dayo .

Tie the nigga to the bed and beat the demon out his body with fan belt and and APC broom, while repeating the holy words "Nigga get your black äss out of here"

lol

raumdeuter:
How come no one is bothered about your own logic? Is it because we are all in agreement that you are illogcal and in the category of those tagged Shepites

We are dealing with your own that you claim to be consistent in using, which you told us is perfect.





Moreover, i have stated mine here in the past. My own is not limited to 3 alone, like your own [which we are beginning to see the new edition]

Even i though i have not followed the game for a very long time, i know that the game is not 1+1=2.

Rating players have to do with a lot of things that can range from, stats peculiar to a position, the team the player played in, [which will cover, the tactic and style of the team, the role he played, quality of team mates, club management etc], consistency in every game [Whether big or small], versatility, what I watched with my eyes [reason i don't rate players i didn't watch.]. etc as the game is not always direct. A lot can

BlueAngel444:
do u notice willian that may be why barca wanted him badly and Sarri didn't want him to leave.

yeah. He has gradually improved very much in that aspect in the last 2-3 seasons now.

I am sure playing with hazard all this years must have robbed off on him. You can also see that in the flicks and tricks that he started using.

Kudos to him

raumdeuter:
Your lack of education is glaring


My criteria shows why Suarez wil be ahead since he had an outstanding individual performance in the season that OShea never matched in his career


Klose had outstanding individual performance in the world cup that Zlatan never matched
Zidane had outstanding individual performance in the wworld cup and CL that DelPiero never matched
Neymar had outstanding CL performance that Hazard never matched
Boateng had outstand performance in the world cup and CL that Terry never matched
Iniesta had outstanding world cup and CL performance that Lampard never matched

This above is consistency

Now bring yourr criteria to the fore and lets see how consistent or sensible they are

now we are getting somewhere.


Using the new criteria that you are just updated now,

We can now agree that Suarez is greater than Costa in the EPL?

raumdeuter:
What is the difference between outstanding individual performance and big game performance?

mr high IQ, please explain to us how outstanding individual performance is the same with big game performance?

BlueAngel444:
The top 20 most creative players in Europe this season

Even FSB is on the list , I remember last summer when we wanted to replace him with suso.

20. Jordan Veretout (Fiorentina)
Chances created – 42
= 18. Mohamed Salah (Liverpool)
Chances created – 43
= 18. Antoine Griezmann (Atletico Madrid)
Chances created – 43
= 16. Julian Brandt (Bayer Leverkusen)
Chances created – 44
= 16. Jean Michael Seri (Fulham)
Chances created – 44
= 14. Thorgan Hazard (Borussia Monchengladbach)
Chances created – 45
= 14. Naim Sliti (Dijon)
Chances created – 45
= 12. Hakan Calhanoglu (AC Milan)
Chances created – 46
= 12. Max Kruse (Werder Bremen)
Chances created – 46
10. Ryan Fraser (AFC Bournemouth)
Chances created – 47
= 9. James Maddison (Leicester City)
Chances created – 48
9. Dani Parejo (Valencia)
Chances created – 48
= 7. Lionel Messi (FC Barcelona)
Chances created – 49
= 7. Rodrigo De Paul (Udinese)
Chances created – 49
= 4. Eden Hazard (Chelsea)
Chances created – 52
= 4. Suso (AC Milan)
Chances created – 52
= 4. Willian (Chelsea)
Chances created – 52
3. Memphis Depay (Olympique Lyonnais)
Chances created – 62
2. Alejandro Gomez (Atalanta)
Chances created – 64
1. Dimitri Payet (Marseille)
Chances created – 66

i am very sure that if hazard had not been deployed as a false 9 in those matches, he would have created more than he currently has.


Payet every year. Even at his age he is still very creative

raumdeuter:
OShea won 5 EPL titles, Suarez won 0

Obviously, OShea was better

Since Babayaro too was better

oh! So you are beginning to see the foolishness in the criteria that you have been using all this while..

We are getting somewhere.

raumdeuter:
Tell us the EPL strikers better than Harry Kane despite him not having a trophy

the man's opinion should not be your concern. We are dealing the use of your own logic by you today.


Why should yaya come second to salah?

raumdeuter:
Salahs performance blows out Drogbas own easily despite playing as a wing forward,

Yaya is very close to him and he can be a second place. What edges it for Salah IMO is his performance this season again which proves he isn't a fluke unlike Drogba that was dropping 12 or less goals for 7 out of 9 seasons. That is a shameful record from a top striker of a top team

When was the last time an African is the undisputed best player in a top team and possibly best player in the league for 2 seasons in a row

you are a liar. When you made that assertion, this season has not started.

raumdeuter:
The criteria still remains the same.

Outstanding individual performance is still number 1. Not scoring less than 12 goals in 7 out of 9 seasons and fluking 20 goals in 2 out of 9 seasons

okay. So,
It is no longer big games performance, it is now outstanding individual performance.


Now we are getting somewhere.


By the way, where is salah's epl trophy?