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nihilistjnr:
Fam don't be deceived into thinking that the nonsense that you read here is reflective of the poster's real life view.

Bashing hazard is just a brand building tool, and a way to differentiate one's self in the sea of anonymity that is Nairaland.

Dayo would be arrested or even lynched if he was to utter half the stuff he says here in the real world.

lol.
You mean say them go knack am wetin tinker knack basin?

Heywhizzy:
As an individual I only came across this thread when Chelseafan1 was obsessed with Barcelona thread saying Hazard is better than Neymar which is obviously a lie, he took this agenda to unattainable levels, what Dayo is doing to hazard is small sef, if I didn't watch a Barcelona match, I would know how many times Neymar lost the ball in the first 15 mins, dribbles uncompleted, low quality of the goal he scored, high quality of the scorer he assisted, low quality of the defenders he Shakushakud on, low quality of the keeper, Fouls he made, Yellow cards he got..


Hazard is good but good don't sound well amongst the greats.. If dribbling is shakushaku, Messi, Neymar took shakushaku to great heights whilst still being very productive, same can't be said of Hidden until recently and even the recently sef is still not encouraging enough, Neymar still tops him

Oga, i don't understand what Neymar and messi have to do in Iniesta and Hazard.


The post you quoted had only Iniesta and Hazard.

Let me repeat. If hazard is Shakushaku for doing what Iniesta does, then Iniesta is Shakushaku rabbi

nateevs:
Who would you have signed?

why did they frustrate and refused to back conte to continue in his success?

Hazard's role in the victory wasn't insignificant but the game once again highlighted the way in which he is so often starved of possession when deployed in a 'false nine' role.
The 28-year-old gets a huge number of his goals by carrying the ball, either on the counter-attack or in tight spaces in the box. However, as a false nine, he is required to act as a pivot and provide a threat in behind defences, a discipline to which he is still adapting.
It often seems like a terrible waste of his talents. Indeed, he had fewer touches than any of his team-mates to have completed the game, which means that much of his work goes into opening space for his fellow forwards.
Willian, of course, was a big beneficiary, netting what was only his fifth goal of the season in all competitions. - goal.com




This is why I don't like hazard in the false 9 position

To be matching Messi in terms of productivity is some achievement for Hazard.
He has been placed in a talent bracket alongside the global elite over recent years, but has faced questions regarding his ability to produce on a consistent basis.



https://www.goal.com/en-ng/news/hazard-joins-messi-as-europes-most-effective-players-in-2018/10ry38uc6y9y71q04nr3srypeb


Nihilstjnr, Do you write for goal.com

nihilistjnr:
The manager sef - I don't know whether to call him stupid or if he's playing politics.

How on this earth is he looking at that squad and saying we don't need striker, and FBS is important?

is he trying to avoid Conte style rancour, or is there something else inside that cigar?

i no get time to curse the man again. NA the board I dey blame for looking at all the coaches in the market and they deemed it fit to sign a man without even a spoon

This is how you know a stupid board.

Look at how they have started allowing there own players to go without first signing their replacement.

Stupid board!!!

Raumdeuter, if we remove salah's 'closed play' goals, how many points will LIVERPOOL have?

raumdeuter:
When an attacker has 4 open play goals in his entire career

Iniesta is a midfielder and does his job winning vital trophies for his team

I am consistent, Ibime isnt. The criteria he used for Iniesta let him use it for Lukaku/Drogba

okay, now I get it. it must be ibime's criteria that you used to declare salah the greatest African to play in the EPL. abi?

raumdeuter:
Madrid was not a top team till they started making the semi

AC Milan is not currently a top team because they are not doing well, If Milan starts making CL semi consistently they will be called a top team back

raumdeuter:
When Madrid did not win the CL for about 30yrs no one considered them a top team

Which is the stronger team in Europe currently AC Milan or Barcelona?

I must tell you the truth, I am really confused now.

raumdeuter:
Iniesta I won a world cup

Terry I was on the bench in a CL final

you have started your lies again. which ucl final was Terry on the bench

Heywhizzy:
Godfatherism is deeply rooted in Nigeria, even on this thread.. so Ibime equated Iniesta to Kovacic and some mumu dey follow yarn am

okay, but there is no godfatherism when you barkabots Join raumdeuter to call hazard and Terry frauds?


FYI, majority of Chelsea fans here Rate Iniesta. what you are seeing today is Chelsea supporters trying to fight the double standard that you barkabots display.

if hazard is a shakushaku dancer for doing the same thing as Iniesta (even better), then iniesta is the rabbi of shakushaku

raumdeuter, you have not answered my question o. which one should we take? was Madrid a top team before their LA decima or not.

which one should we take, since you have already said both

randomperson:
Hazard is an attacker, iniesta is a midfielder... not to even mention that iniesta is a better passer than hazard

can you prove that Iniesta is a better passer?

BlueAngel444:
if iniesta can be respected for just that, then Hazard should be revered as a god n not disrespected by some self absorbed f.o.ools cus Hazard does that and more for Chelsea.

that is the double standard this barkabots display

randomperson:
Neymar went to PSG for d money...

If Neymar wants an easy league, he would stay put in France. So your point even lacks logic

oga, stop telling childish lies here.

Neymar went to psg, just to step out of Messi's shadow.
if it is true that he has been begging to return to Barcelona, then he must have realized that being under Messi's shadow is the best thing that ever happened to his football career

The result is that Fabregas will be remembered as more of a Premier League legend than a legend of any one club. Perhaps that is the way it should be for a player who has provided so much entertainment for the neutrals in his 350 appearances in the competition.His own assessment of his assist record sums it up well. "I'm not the fastest, I'm not the strongest, I'm not the most flexible and I don't jump high," he explained. "But to achieve this record in my career is one of the proudest things in my job, because it is my job and I did it well."Of that there can be no argument.



https://www.skysports.com/transfer/news/11096/11600864/cesc-fabregas-leaving-chelsea-his-premier-league-legacy-assessed?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C4760040393


raumdeuter, with this, can we say that fabregas is one of the greatest midfielders ever?

raumdeuter:
Is it history that matters or what is happening currently?

5yrs is a more accurate indication of current status than what happened 40yrs ago

That is the reason why Chelsea is considered a stronger team than Nottingham Forest CURRENTLY

When Madrid did not win the CL for about 30yrs no one considered them a top team


Which is the stronger team in Europe currently AC Milan or Barcelona?

raumdeuter:
Yes made back to back CL semis in 2011 and 2012

[quote author=raumdeuter post=74241788]How come you are telling us now that Madrid is a top team. Which one should we take. Mr always right/intelligent

"I think so. Why not?" Sarri replied when asked if Chelsea would beat England. "I didn't see anything of the World Cup. I didn't see a match in the World Cup. I don't like the national teams because there isn't anything to learn.

..
Tomorrow they will call people like him to vote for world best player. Can this idiot watch a game just for the fun of it?


https://www.goal.com/en-ng/news/sarri-believes-chelsea-would-beat-england-in-a-one-off-game/ys3d13fxqk1v1tyxj6kg47hhw

raumdeuter:
Yes made back to back CL semis in 2011 and 2012

But you told us few days ago that Madrid was not considered a top team when they were still waiting for the la decima


Airmark, please can you help me dig it

raumdeuter:
AC Milan has dropped in form at that time. The closest to them were bayern with 4 and Barcelona with 4

wait, was Madrid a top club?

https://twitter.com/hazardeden10/status/1083842165539713024?s=19




Bye fab.

raumdeuter:
They had 9 CL titles at that time and no one was close to them, they have made the CL semi regularly.

Lewandoski became the first player to score 4 goals in a CL semi final game

is 7 not close to 9? Ac Milan had 7

raumdeuter:
Which metric makes them better?

Example what metric makes Zidane better than DelPiero or Totti in your own opinion

i cannot say because i didn't follow their career.

raumdeuter:
Lewandoski in a CL semi final smashed 4 goals vs the best team in Europe Real Madrid. Eder was not even a starter

Now that you have been disgraced as usual will you seek cure for your huge lips that curses everything is spews

were they the best team in Europe when he smashed four past them? Just asking

raumdeuter:
You mean majority of the world will disgaree that

Zidane is better than Delpiero and Totti
Ronaldo Lima is better than Henry and Nistelrooy
Iniesta is better than Lampard
Drogba is better than Lukaku

Tell me which world that is

they will agree after they have looked at every metric that is needed, not by one goal that a player scored in a certain final like that.

Ibime:
No it's not being exposed by Lukaku and Drogba because they have comparable number of goals, and if you have any memory of Chelsea, you will know Drogba played till 34 in 2012, then came back as a 36 year old and played significant matches as a substitute in 2014/15 so more than half of his matches are affected by old age and substitute appearances. So you are that naive as Chelsea fan to buy the comparison of mostly 30-36year old Drogba against a young Lukaku? I'm disappointed.

And even despite this, their numbers are similar and comparable like Warren Buffet vs Bill Gates, whereas Lampard is shītting on Iniesta stats like comparing Bill Gates vs Hushpuppi. Have you lost your sense?

I am consistent in comparing output in attacking players. The same way I attacked Hazard for productivity is the same way I attack Iniesta, unlike one amala turner that will tell you Hazard is shakushaku but Iniesta is the best thing since sliced bread.

even if it is not lukaku and drogba, there are many others.

Hope you know that there is something called stat padding, like the type morata used to deceive us.

Shebi you know say gabriel Jesus 4 goals against burton go still join for em total goals by season end?

Upnepaa:
Throughout my journey in life, it is only on Nairaland will I ever read the opinion that Iniesta is a fraud. And perhaps, this is gonna be the only place in the whole 7 continents of the world. Such a bizarre assumption.

eeh, but you have read somewhere else that Terry was a fraud?

raumdeuter:
I have been watching football for a long time and I know performance in big games is what football is all about

That is why Zidane is regarded higher than DelPiero or Totti or Rui Costa.
That is why Ronaldo is regarded wayyy higher than Henry or Nistelrooy

That is why Iniesta will be higher than Lampard
That is why Drogba will be higher than Lukaku

In my rating

thank God you said, in your rating, which majority of the football world will disagree with.

At least i am very sure that no footballer, ex-player, coach or pundit will ever open their mouth to call John Terry a fraud. None. Unless the person's brain is no longer in his skull

Ibime:
My view of the game is simple and I don't deviate.

I judge deep lying playmakers on their ability to control the game.

I judge attacking players on their ability to win the game through goals and assists.

Any attacking midfielder that tells you he can't provide goals and assists because he is busy controlling the game is a fraud. That's why Iniesta is a fraud to me, especially as he is even incapable of controlling possession.

They don't send Ozil to do Jorginhos job. Jorginhos job is primarily to control possession and Ozils job is primarily to create goals.

Iniesta can do neither, just dribbling upandan.

you Can see how the flaw in that criteria is being exposed by the lukaku and drogba comparison.

Your criteria even have more flaws than raumdeuter's own.

You consider a lot of things before rating a player which you guys criteria is still part of.


Let me just take this as an instance.
Last season, KDB created almost 2x the number of chances sane created, yet they had almost the same number of assists. Now, who would you say was more creative?

raumdeuter:
My own criteria is consistent

Ibime is not consistent with his

His criteria used for iniesta will ensure that lukaku is greater than Drogba

You cannot use one criteria for iniesta and be turning amala for Lukaku Drogba

Mine is

1. Performance in big games especially cl and world cup crucial matches
2. Big Trophies won CL and world cup then behind euro/ copa america
3. Stats e.g. goals and assists for an attacker



I have been consistent in mine

i will admit that you have been at least 95% consistent with yours. But, being consistent in rating players with your criteria does mean that it is sensible or right.

Here i come again to remind you, ibime and raumdeuter, how your criteria and logic for rating a player is flawed.

Football is not one plus one equals two.

I like the way you two are exposing each other's logic.


Every aspect of the game is brought into account before you can rate a player, not the one sided one both of you use.