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raumdeuter:
Salahs record-breaking individual performance is even better than what some used to win a trophy and proven that he is not the reason Liverpool didnt win a trophy

Salah broke the EPL goal scoring records playing mostly as a wing forward

what you are saying now is that trophies won with the big game performance is no longer the most important but goals scored?

are you updating the criteria?
should we now place goals scored as the number 1 criteria?

raumdeuter:
Drogba had 4 trophies, 3 he was carried to them

In the 2010 season where he scored 29, Salah still had more goals per minutes than him despite Salah playing as a wing forward and Drogba as a striker

Salahs best season blows Drgbas best season away

how does it blow it away without a trophy to show for it?

raumdeuter:
You can laud him but he isn't the greatest if he didn't show up in big games, win major trophies or have the goals to back his performance up

are you still mentioning the bold in your posts? where is salah's own

thorrvik55:
RAMDATEUR SINCE. U REFUSED TO REPLY MY NUMEROUS MENTIONS, IS IT SAFE TO ASSUME DAT UR RE-CONSIDERING THE LOGIC USED IN RATING SALAH AND HIGUAIN AS TWO GREATEST PLAYERS (trophies don't matter) FROM THEIR CONTINENT TO HAVE PLAYED IN THE EPL AND SERIE A RESPECTIVELY...

raumdeuter, come and answer this and please show us salah's epl trophy

airmark:
Timbros, your Morata is so good that fans were protesting his signing today.

''Diego Simeone says the opinion of Atletico Madrid fans should always be respected after some supporters protested against the proposed signing of Alvaro Morata.

The Spain striker has been tipped to join the La Liga club on an initial loan deal following Gonzalo Higuain's move to Chelsea from Juventus.

Atleti fans voiced their disapproval of a deal for the former Real Madrid man on Saturday, though, with chants of 'Less Morata and more Borja Garces' heard during the 2-0 league win over Getafe at the Wanda Metropolitano.''

This is embarrassing for Morata.

chai. I really liked this guy, but mr man is a flop.



He may make it in the less intensive and physical laliga

popizaino:
What did I ask you what are you asking me ogbeni?

Prove that If triangle ABC can be equal to triangle DEF why can’t triangle DEF be equal to triangle ABC if all angles are the same ?

Or you want me to draw diagram for you ?

draw it if you have to.

raumdeuter:
The question is not about world cup or CL

Its about EPL

I am sure you will come ask me why not FA or Nations cup

now, where is salah's epl trophy?

thorrvik55:
Educated human being dat cannot read and answer a simple YES OR NO QUESTION...

IS HIGUAIN THE GREATEST SOUTH AMERICAN TO HAVE PLAYED IN SERIE A, YES OR NO?

he will be very careful now to answer yes or No or make a firm claim because the last he made has put him into trouble and has made his disciples to desert him.


They will not come out now and tell him how stupid he has been sounding for the past two days. Talk of zombie mentality.

raumdeuter:
So how are you faring with the original argument? Because you cant seem to follow logic

so, this means that you wanted to distract us from the main argument. Why did you do that? Is is because you are an amala turner?


I have been sticking to the main topic by not naming Drogba's ucl achievements.

Now, show us salah's epl trophy

The Blues assistant revealed the work going on behind the scenes as the Belgian superstar is challenged by a change in approach
Chelsea assistant Gianfranco Zola admits that Eden Hazard and manager Maurizio Sarri are having to work together to reach a compromise over his role in the Italian's system.
Sarri admitted that Hazard was among the players in the group who had stopped having fun after his side returned to winning ways in Thursday's penalty shootout Carabao Cup win over Tottenham, booking a place in the final of the competition.
Hazard's favoured position is left wing, but he has been used as a central striker in recent weeks as Alvaro Morata looks set to move to Atletico Madrid and Olivier Giroud is increasingly being left on the bench.
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Zola revealed that the duo are working on a compromise to keep Hazard free to find space to attack, but also instil some discipline to enact his manager's new system which has been dubbed 'Sarriball'.
"I was very much like Eden," Zola said before Chelsea’s FA Cup clash with Sheffield Wednesday on Sunday.
"I was a very positive player, I liked to move around the pitch, find the spots on the pitch where I could receive the ball, turn and make the damage to the opposition.
"I was very very similar and I do understand that. I believe we try to give him this but also to be an organised team defensively and offensively. Especially offensively. That's why we ask Eden sometimes to put himself about in working hard.
"I know that's not his best quality. We understand that sometimes he needs to be fresh when he receives the ball. There is no doubt that we are on the same page. We want to find a common ground where he can get the best out of himself and the team can benefit from him.
"Not only when he is scoring goals but when we have moments in the game where we need everybody to defend and everybody to press. That's exactly what we are trying to do. Eden, I think, I have to be fair that he has been doing it.
“We are very demanding because we want to do it all the time. I am sure that we will find a compromise. I am not in a position to criticise a player like Eden. We believe, Maurizio said one thing, that the potential of Hazard is greater than the performances.
"So he is not criticising what Eden is doing but he believes he can do much more for himself and the team. That's all he is saying. This is the situation he wants Hazard to understand. Again, when we see his performances we look forward to seeing more and more."
Sarri had also called out Hazard for not reaching his full potential ahead of Thursday's semi-final clash but the 28-year-old's response was a man of the match display.
Like Hazard, Zola was a creative influence on Chelsea in his playing career and is widely regarded as one of the club's greatest ever players. He watched on at Stamford Bridge as Hazard returned to a wide left position with Giroud at striker, and admits that having that pivot helps small, creative players.
"It was very very similar to when I first came here," Zola added. "I had Mark Hughes or Luca Vialli, who when I could play off them it was much better for me because it would give me the space and freedom. I would use their physicality to get the spaces I wanted and we played fantastically so I understand for Eden.
"He has a very good understanding with Giroud that we saw yesterday. Olivier had a fantastic game in my opinion. I am sure he will gain the same understanding with Gonzalo Higuain."
Higuain could be set to make his debut in the FA Cup this weekend and Chelsea go into the match having eased some of the mounting pressure, after beating their rivals to book a Carabao Cup final date with Manchester City on February 24.
Sarri's methods with Chelsea have come under scrutiny, particularly for his use of players like Hazard and N'Golo Kante in positions that may not be their strongest.
Zola says Sarri hears some of the noise from outside of Chelsea but that he is trying to balance his need to adapt with his own style as a manager.
"We know what the game is all about," Zola said. "Maurizio has got his own temper and character but he is a very intelligent person. I believe his intelligence is superior to his temper. He is learning. Trying to keep his personality.
"He is adapting to the situation. I understand that Chelsea is a team that has huge expectations from the supporters, the media, from the owners so we need to meet those expectations. When you lose a game like against Arsenal there is always something going on.
"You have to accept the criticism and we are accepting it and work out the situations to be better. Sometimes in a strong way like Maurizio was after the game against Arsenal, he criticised some things. But, like I said, sometimes the reaction means that you care and you want to be on top."

DExponential:
If he escapes from this one, I'll give up.

seems like you don't know the guy. Instead of conceding, he will continue repeating the rubbish he has been saying or making more goofs in the process [which is the one i am looking for] for like 2 days until you get the tired and abandon the argument.

thorrvik55:
OK then. Since u know how to read, answering this will be simple;

SALAH - 2017/2018 - Broke premier league goals record, scored important goals in big games, ended the season trophyless and is now ahead of Yaya toure(not an attacker) as d greatest african to have played in d premier league.

HIGUAIN - 2015/2016 - Broke premier league goals record, scored important goals in big games, ended the season trophyless... SHOULD HE BE REGARDED AS THE GREATEST SOUTH AMERICAN TO HAVE PLAYED IN SERIE A AHEAD OF MARADONA?

Since u know how to read please answer with:
YES OR NO

I don't want to hear maradona is not a striker...

he must become a believer today.

DExponential:
Drogba 2009/2010 Goals scored: 29 Check Big game performance: Check Trophy: Check
Salah 2017/2018 Goals scored: 32 Check Big game performance: Check Trophy: He did his part?

help me ask am o.

raumdeuter:
Salah did his part by scoring 32 goals, Drogba was winning league titles scorng 10 goals 8 goals 5 goals basically carried along to title.

How is 29 goals carry along?

raumdeuter:
What was the best Kanu season in EPL and what was the best JJ season in EPL

What were their contribution to their teams

Drogba's best season in EPL is 2009/2010 season with 7 goals against top six, premier league trophy and epl top scorer with 29 goals.

Salah's best season is 2017/2018 with 7 goals against top six, 0 trophy and top scorer with 32 goals.


Now, using your criteria, trophy and big game performance are the most important.
Looking at the above, how is salah greater than Drogba.

Show us salah's trophy

raumdeuter:
The original argument is that Salah was the best African player in the EPL. All others are distraction

so you wanted to distract us from the main argument by naming salah's goals in the CL?

raumdeuter:
What was the basis and origin of the argument. You get distracted beasily and not focus on the main topic

Main topic

Who is the best African performer of all time in the EPL?

didn't you know of the main topic when you were shamelessly showing me salah 10 cl goals and final appearance?

Oga, show us salah's trophies.

Ntoooor!!!! Your students have deserted you

raumdeuter:
That is how arguments and debates work, you try your est give all your points and when the other side whips you with superior logic and facts you take a seat and wait for the next opportunity

aren't you the one that is supposed to be taking this advice?

raumdeuter:
Maybe you should have paid attention from beginning and not jumping around

Salah is the greatest African player to have played in the EPL But you want us to consider UCL as part of EPL. Like I asked can someone say Messi is the greatest Argentine in Copa America because he won the UCL?




When I made the claim, Salah was on his way to breaking the EPL goal scoring record, and he surely did breaking Drogba record. Explain to me how someone can score half of anothers 9 season goals in 1.5 seasons and you think they are equal?



This is where your Chelsea background is letting you down

Zlatan and Klose. What is the biggest competitions they ever played together world cup. Klose 15 goals in 4 world cups, Zlatan 0 in 2 world cups.

Now put your Maths to use and tell us the ratio

Iniesta vs Lampard: Performance in big games? Iniesta World cup final check, Lampard 40 shots no goal at world cup
Now decide

In the case of Salah and Drogba, we were specific about EPL from the beginning

In EPL

I will say Salah, Yaya, Drogba in that order. Yaya is close to Salah

all the rubbish above does not have salah's trophy with the big game performance to show for it. Again.

Where is salah's trophy?

Remember, number of goals and assists becomes irrelevant once there is big game performance and trophy for the other player being used for comparison.

Leyqute:
Bros I copy you. Raum just loves argument for the sake of it.

it is not only about the argument. in this case, he is trying to protect the false image he has created where his students are.
he has told them that he is 'Mr always right' and that whatever he says is the gospel of truth.

but now, the gospel of truth is being put to test by a 'Chelsea fan' and the gospel is proving to be false and have refused to stand the test of time.

it is because the intelligent Chelsea fans have tested the raumdeuter gospel and found out that it is false, that has made him not to leave our thread, instead he has remained here to learn the true gospel that we preach.

raumdeuter:
1. Salah has scored 10 goals in the CL. 4 in quarters and semi finals injured in final

2. Salah has not won the CL or world cup but he took his unfancied team to a CL final

3. Stats highest goal scorer and record scorer in EPL history. This season he is topping the goal table

raumdueter the AMALA turner.

raumdeuter:

Do you have any season Drogba scored 10 CL goals, and broke the EPL goals record in his first full season, second season Salah is already topping the scorers chart

Tell me what Drogba did individually in the EPL that surpassed Salah who played as a winger until recently

Salah is currently on 16 goals in January. That is more than every Drogba EPL season bar 2

leyqute, nihilistjnr. come and see this AMALA turner.
this is one of his responses earlier in the convo.

EM DON see say this one go hard am to defend na why EM shift the post go somewhere else.
but alias, that side no go still help am. no road for that side.

raumdeuter:
Big games in the league
Salah scored 7 goals vs the 5 top teams last season, drogba was barely scoring 8 league goals a season so how will he score vs top sides

I can see how you are trying to shift the goalpost and remove the UCL and especially the domestic cups. no problem, I will allow you.

Trophies
Most of The epl titles won by drogba, he was carried along or how else can you expect a striker dropping 8 goals to contribute effectively to the title.

if you can show us salah's trophy the way I will show you Drogba's own in 2009/2010, you have answered the question. in 2009/2010 Drogba's ticked all the boxes for you (using your standard). with that single season, following your standard, Drogba should be greater than salah, but why are you telling us the opposite?

Goals
It took Drogba 9 seasons to come up with 104 league goals
Salah is almost halfway there in 1.5 seasons

i can see that you are trying to shift the goal post here too by bring in this season which had not even started before you made the bogus claim. no problem, I will allow you again.
when you told us that klose is greater than Zlatan, you never put into consideration the stat to game ratio as long as you believed klose fulfilled your two most important criteria, the third one didn't matter again. same for Iniesta and Lampard.

now, why are you not doing the same in the case of Drogba and salah?








after dealing with the Drogba own, you can also try explaining to us how
salah > Yaya toure (using your criteria)

I don't know why you don't want to touch that angle.

simonjassy:
5th or 7th season nobody cares,remember salah was also in the epl as well warming chelsea's bench because of his inability to break into the first team.as of 2010,drogba was 31 how many top strikers still delivered many goals after clocking 30?.how do you explain that salah had 3 goals more than drogba despite playing at least 4 games more than him.

see, when you talk about the number of goals they scored, you are actually helping raumdeuter to shift the goal post.


now, let me state the issue again. raumdeuter has a criteria/standard for rating players, which is;
1) performance in big matches (most important)
2) trophies to accompany the big game performance (equally as important as the first)
3) stats - goals and assists for attackers (least important)



now, using the above standard above our 'high IQ man' has rated some players as follows;

Iniesta >>> Lampard
klose >>> Zlatan

I even believe using the same standard he will say
shurlle >> Hazard.
okay
now, raumdeuter has claimed to be consistent with the use of his standard in rating players. therefore, he has told us that salah is the greatest African to play in England.


I hope the above have been understood very well.

now the question is, raumdeuter, using your own criteria/standard which is listed above, how were you able to come to the conclusion that salah is greater than, Drogba, Yaya toure, Mikel OBI, KANU NWANKWO etc?


I believe, as the owner of the criteria/standard you are in the best position to interpret the criteria.




PLS my ogas come and help me tell raumdeuter to ask this one question. I know that he is an IFE graduate as claimed by him, so the question shouldn't take him more a minute to answer while showing his IQ level in his answer.

ibime, nateevs, nihilistjnr, unlimited22, afrodoc2, skimpled, griffon, all and sundry


the aparisports staff, come and see if you can get your CEO/chief editor to answer the simple question.
eruditor, coutinho14, a40,

Eruditor:
Iniesta is a eunuch. Busquets is a carry-along etc. Same people Pep is a fraud, he won because he had the best squad.

Best players when it is Pep. As soon as he leaves the conversation they are not good anymore.

Choristers will come and tell the choirmaster to keep conducting. Chelsea fans are lemmings.

are you guys this dumb? or is it that your heads are stuck in raumdeuter's ASS that you can't just pull it out so that you can read and know the Genesis of a conversation?

emmy2807:
Na wa for the amala turning wey dey go on here o, once one enter fire, another pot don set for another round of amala turning, so that the first 1 no go done. Una dey try o.
Amala 1-lampard is better than iniesta because stats sh0ws that.
Amala 2 don warm up be dat- lukaku has better stats than drogba, he is therefore better than drogba. Before you know it, 2 pot of amala don dey ground but na only one turning stick dey, na 0nly god know h0w amala go take done.
there is a difference between what is true and what is factual, what is true is questionable while what is factual isnt. Just like drogba pg being dthe better btw him and lulkaku is0 true but is not factual, as stats which is a factual representation of how good a player is suggests otherwise, when rating players, more often that not bias happen, and thats why they remain opinions nd there is no need debating opinions.
s0 my friends have this at the back of your minds before you turn your next amala.
My 2cents.

oga, try to follow an argument and know what it is about.

raumdeuter:
If Salah as a winger is dragging with Drogba a main striker in goals per game.

Salah first season in liverpool, 2010 was Drogba 5th season

ogami, why do you keep running away from my posts and rushing to quote people who don't know the Genesis of our argument.


oga please answer the questions I have asked you. there is no salvation for you in your students cum asslickers

Lana1:
What makes u think they're not enjoying the shìt?

hmm. that one go be strong thing

Coutinho14:
lmao look at how furiously these shekpites are trying to defend Drogba's legacy as the greatest African footballer to ever play in the epl, same people that called Iniesta a fraud and a carry along. Mtchew Salah above the Ivorian mavrodi joor, how can you play 9 yrs in the epl as a striker and post 104 goals? wait o are you sure Drogba is not a fraud lemme Google Search 'Fraud' and see if his picture will pop up

must you guys always lick raumdeuter's ass without checking if it has shit on it?

raumdeuter:
Big game performance in the league can only be vs the top 6 sides and Salah had 7 goals vs these teams last season

Goals scored he outscored every African player that has ever played in the EPL

trophies =?

raumdeuter:
Big game performance in the league can only be vs the top 6 sides and Salah had 7 goals vs these teams last season

Goals scored he outscored every African player that has ever played in the EPL

even self, with this new Amala that you are turning now, we can make a claim that salah is the greatest player to have played in the premier league era.

raumdeuter:
My own criteria is consistent

Ibime is not consistent with his

His criteria used for iniesta will ensure that lukaku is greater than Drogba

You cannot use one criteria for iniesta and be turning amala for Lukaku Drogba

Mine is

1. Performance in big games especially cl and world cup crucial matches
2. Big Trophies won CL and world cup then behind euro/ copa america
3. Stats e.g. goals and assists for an attacker



I have been consistent in mine

oga raumdeuter, please i am begging you.


Using your criteria above, how is salah the greatest African to play in the EPL using Whatever competition you like.

You made the bogus claim during the summer, but i can see how you are trying to rope this season into it.

Well, i will allow you.

. But please, don't run from this question. Don't give the answer that will protray you as an unintelligent person.