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raumdeuter:
That was March when Salah was about 20-30 goals less than current.
Salah has proven his consistency by repeating his performance of last season

Read my posts that you quoted and see if it is not consistent

Drogba was dropping single digits 4 out of 9 seasons.

Almost half of Drogba time in EPL he was dropping Morata type numbers

Drogbas best season was 29 goals, Salah already eclipsed that in his first full season
His second best season is 20goals, Salah should beat that this season again in his second season

has it gotten to this level?
You go soon shift the post now.

Where is salah's big game performances with the trophy to show for it?

Have you forgotten that those are the most important criteria?


Is there a revision on the criteria list already? What edition are we in now, 2nd or 3rd edition?

Tell us so that we can update on the edition that you gave us before. Tell us if the big performances and trophies have been removed from the aparisports law of the association football handbook.

nihilistjnr:
Smh

mehn, the man has gone mad. He can no longer keep track of the Amalas he has turned.

Let us leave him for today.

Obagh uru ipia anu nwuru anwu ihe.

raumdeuter:
What was Drogba contributing to those league wins? 5, 7 and 8 goals

Drogbas first season in Chelsea the team won the league and Drogba didnt score in any game vs top 4 sides

The context of the argument was in the EPL which is already a local title. So Salah has outperformed Drogbas best season in the EPL facts only.

This season by January he has outscored Drogba in all seasons bar 2

this your senseless stubbornness will disgrace you today.

Let me state it clear for you and Everyone who cares to know. This argument is just to challenge your sanity regarding your own logic/criteria for rating players.

By your criteria as stated in your previous arguments, performance in big matches comes first, followed by the trophies to show for and lastly the stats.


Now with this criteria above, can salah's last season be compared to Drogba's 2009/2010 season?
Also, keep in mind that Drogba travelled for afcon that season and still came back to become top scorer with his titles and big match performances to show for it.





Now, if you think i am using Drogba because he is a former chelsea player, can we use yaya toure?

Is salah greater than yaya?


I will disgrace you today so that your students can see you for the fraud that you are.

raumdeuter:
You tell me
Drogba that was scoring 5 8 goals a season

i don't answer stupid questions or should I call it IQ reducing questions.



if you think I have time for turning of AMALA like nihilist, then you have lost your way.

if you cannot show me salah's trophies last season with the performance to back it, don't quote me again. nonsense. hypocrite

amodu:
Manchester City in the final

Sarri you can do this

if this man fails to win the trophy, then he should wait till forever.

raumdeuter:
Based on big games how does Drogba rate above Salah in big games

you are not serious. What has Drogba done in big matches in the EPL above salah? Are you really asking me that question?

Leyqute:
They changed the rules...

i thought it didn't affect the semi finals

timbros:
Just a reminder...
No away goals. No extra time.

i thought it used to be away goals will effective after extra time

afrodoc2:
It took Drogba donkey years to score those goals.

Anyone who knows me knows I ride with the Drog, but kamapuro kamajale Salah of the last 2 seasons trumps Drogba’s best seasons.

oga, my case is not with what you use to rate players, my case is with the double standard raumdeuter is displaying.


His number one on the list is big performance in big games with the trophies to accompany it first. Why is he now trying to use the least in his criteria to put salah where he is not supposed to be.

raumdeuter:
Same here. Drogba na my guy but what Salah has been doing, the number he has been posting here is unreal

48 League goals in 1.5 seasons, Those are peak Ronaldo, Henry Suarez numbers the EPL striking benchmark for decades. He even made the CL final. Some will say if he wasn't injured by Ramos maybe Liverpool will stand a chance

If the league ends today he might be the best player in the league again making it twice in a row

Abeg what has Drog done to compare to this

he has fulfilled your two most important criteria

raumdeuter:
Do you have any season Drogba scored 10 CL goals, and broke the EPL goals record in his first full season, second season Salah is already topping the scorers chart

Tell me what Drogba did individually in the EPL that surpassed Salah who played as a winger until recently

Salah is currently on 16 goals in January. That is more than every Drogba EPL season bar 2

Drogba shits on salah in your number 1 and 2 criteria. The most important once, yet you want to argue.

if it has gotten to the extent of arguing against your own logic and criteria, then i can't help.

Someone can call it 'madness'

raumdeuter:
1. Salah has scored 10 goals in the CL. 4 in quarters and semi finals injured in final

2. Salah has not won the CL or world cup but he took his unfancied team to a CL final

3. Stats highest goal scorer and record scorer in EPL history. This season he is topping the goal table

now, where does Drogba belong?

raumdeuter:
My own criteria is consistent

Ibime is not consistent with his

His criteria used for iniesta will ensure that lukaku is greater than Drogba

You cannot use one criteria for iniesta and be turning amala for Lukaku Drogba

Mine is

1. Performance in big games especially cl and world cup crucial matches
2. Big Trophies won CL and world cup then behind euro/ copa america
3. Stats e.g. goals and assists for an attacker



I have been consistent in mine

with this criteria, Can you tell us how salah is the greatest African to play in EPL?

raumdeuter:
My own criteria is consistent

Ibime is not consistent with his

His criteria used for iniesta will ensure that lukaku is greater than Drogba

You cannot use one criteria for iniesta and be turning amala for Lukaku Drogba

Mine is

1. Performance in big games especially cl and world cup crucial matches
2. Big Trophies won CL and world cup then behind euro/ copa america
3. Stats e.g. goals and assists for an attacker



I have been consistent in mine

with this criteria, Can you tell us how salah is the greatest African to play in the EPL?

raumdeuter:
Easy Salah broke the EPL records for goals scored in a season by all countries not only African. No other player in the history of the EPL has scored as many goals as Salah in the EPL

have you easily forgotten your own criteria?.
Should i remind you?

You guys are going to far.




Oga nihilistjnr, Can you please help me ask raumdeuter which of his criteria for rating players that he used to rate salah as the greatest African to have played in the EPL?

popizaino:
Only Jose Mourinho can tell this bold face lie and some people will swallow it hook,line and sinker.No board will sanction the sale of a player that is very much in a top coach like mourinho’s plan.
Why didn’t emenalo sell Willian albeit just occupying space in the team who mourinho kept playing at the expense of salah ?

the problem i have with a lot of us here is our short memories.

Mourinho was the coach of a club that puts results first before any other thing. The pressure to win trophies was there. The man could not afford to take unnecessary risk with players who are high risk takers in their style of play and were still making lots of mistakes, over players that would give him the result he was looking for.

I was on this thread and nobody was complaining when Mourinho was winning the trophies. But today everybody wants to sound intelligent because the man has gone and the young players have gone on to develop their games and work on their weak points at smaller clubs[which is good for them] to become stars.


If odoi mistakenly becomes a super star elsewhere now, gbam! The campaign go start on how sarri push this young star away. Then funny lineups like the one Afrodoc2 is putting up there will start coming out of how we would have dominated the league.
Nobody will remember that he was young and raw in a team of established players with experience , playing for a big club with pressure to win everytime and no time for young boys to develop.


Chelsea fans, you need to choose what you want from your team, Whether to be like this current chelsea or choose the Tottenham way and continue to dream of trophies we don't know when it will ever come.

Unlimited22:
Troublemaker....

That night was my worst as a Blue. Sleep no gree catch me till around 3am. Different scenarios just dey play for my head.
A close second na that Iniesta goal after Ovrebo don do magic for 90 minutes.

the only time i can remember immediately that football matter almost give me hyper and sleepless night, na our 2013 super cup lose to bayern.
Sleep just run. I dey on top bed dey roll.

We don play Everything. Chai!
If cech had miraculously saved that martinez shot..




The second after that is our world club cup lose to fucking Corinthians.




Benitez na bastard finally o

The Liverpool superstar has gone on to great things since crashing out of Stamford Bridge, but Mourinho does not feel he erred in letting him go
Jose Mourinho has rejected claims that he mismanaged the talents of a young Mohamed Salah at Chelsea, affirming that he is one of the Liverpool star's most ardent admirers.
Salah was signed by Mourinho's Chelsea from Basel at the tender age of 21, after impressing as a youngster in the Swiss club.
His time at Stamford Bridge, however, failed to live up to expectations, as he received only fleeting first-team opportunities under the manager before leaving the club for Roma just over 18 months later in the summer of 2015.
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Salah has since gone on to establish himself as one of the world's premier strikers, leading Liverpool to the Champions League final in 2017-18 and earning himself sixth place in the Ballon d'Or vote eventually won by Luka Modric.
But Mourinho believes it is unfair to accuse him of wasting the Egyptian's talents.
"First of all let’s start with Salah. Because lots of things have been told which are not true," he explained to BeIN Sports .
"For a start people try to identify me as the coach that sold Salah. I am the coach that bought Salah. It’s completely the wrong idea.
"I played against Basel in the Champions League. Salah was a kid at Basel. When I play against a certain team I analyse a team and players for quite a long time.
"And I fell in love with that kid. I bought the kid.
"I pushed the club to buy him and at the time we already had fantastic attacking players - Hazard, Willian, we had top talent there. But I told them to buy that kid. He was more a winger coming inside than a striker."
According to the former Manchester United, Blues and Real Madrid boss, Salah's difficulties in adapting to his new home, as well as a certain impatience ultimately hurt his Chelsea career.
"He was just a lost kid in London. He was a lost kid in a new world," Mourinho added.
"We wanted to work him, to become better and better and better. But he was more of the idea of wanting to play and not wait.
"So we decided to put him on loan, in a culture I knew well. Italy. Tactical football. Physical football. A good place to play.
"Fiorentina are a good team to play for without the pressure of playing for the title. And we decided that move there.
"When the club decided to sell him it was not me. I bought him, I did not sell him."



Truth.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11607986/how-morata-fell-out-of-favour?basketId=11668



Just look at morata there. Disgrace.

Auba that came the other day have already done better

Eden Hazard remains Chelsea's star man but does playing him as a striker really get the best from him? Adam Bate was at Stamford Bridge to witness Hazard’s latest display in the role in the 2-1 win over Newcastle and takes a look at the evidence here…
Ultimately, it was the decisive moment of the game. Hazard dropped the shoulder and twisted and turned away from the Newcastle defence, drawing four opponents towards him before spreading the play out wide to his left. Willian had the time and space to cut inside and curl the ball into the far corner of the net, winning the match for Chelsea. No problem.
And yet, that did not tell the full story from an evening in which Maurizio Sarri's side were once again far from their fluent best. With Olivier Giroud among the substitutes and Alvaro Morata not even considered worthy of a place on the bench, it was up to Hazard to play as the striker. He did his bit but it was still a struggle to get him involved in the game.
Highlights from Chelsea's 2-1 win over Newcastle in the Premier League
The assist to Willian was the only chance that Hazard created and he did not have a single shot on target either. That combined tally of one is his worst return in any Premier League game at Stamford Bridge this season, including his second-half substitute appearances in the wins over Arsenal and Crystal Palace. Seldom has he been so quiet.
Contrast that with his first start under Sarri, which came against Newcastle in August. Hazard was man of the match that day at St James' Park, having 135 touches of the ball and completing 91 passes. It was a masterclass but he was operating in his more familiar left-wing role. Such involvement is much more difficult when asked to play as the striker.
This time around, his first meaningful involvement came in the 14th minute when he drifted out wide to win his team a corner. Prior to that there had been only four touches of the ball. At that stage, every other Chelsea outfield player had enjoyed at least twice as many touches. The boy who loves the ball at his feet was being starved of it. And so it continued.
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Prior to Saturday, only Manchester City had denied Hazard at least 70 touches in each of his Premier League starts at Stamford Bridge this season. There were 97 against Cardiff and 88 against Bournemouth, but both times he was on the left. Here, he touched the ball only 59 times and most of those came in the second half when he went searching for it.
Isaac Hayden and Sean Longstaff did a good screening job in the first half and when the ball did make it through, the first-time flicks didn't come off. There were even a few groans. He did get a warm ovation when withdrawn late on but the supporters were as aware as Hazard that there's more chance of the magic happening when he sees more of the ball.
"On the wing I feel more comfortable, that's my place," said Hazard himself in February when he was enduring life under Antonio Conte. But he was more open-minded when discussing it last month. "It is good not just to be a target man, but also as a false nine where I can move, I can drop, I can go deep, I can go on the wing," he explained.
Hazard drifted outside of the box in search of the ball against Newcastle
Sarri knows that Hazard will never be a fixed reference point up front. He admitted as much in the press room after the game. "It is impossible for Eden to stay in the box," he said with a smile. "He goes to the direction of the ball. We need to learn to attack spaces. It was better today from the wingers. We scored after 10 minutes by attacking the space."
For Sarri, that is part of the explanation for his decision. Pedro's movement in behind for his goal was the sort of speculative run from out to in that he has made a career out of. The ball does not always reach him but on this occasion it did - and, with Hazard having drifted to the other flank, it vacated the space that allowed the Spaniard to run through to score.
Chelsea have options out wide. Sarri was careful to mention Callum Hudson-Odoi alongside Pedro and Willian when discussing the need to keep his wingers at the club. That is one of the things encouraging him to deploy Hazard elsewhere but it was also interesting that he referenced the improved defensive structure when the Belgian is used centrally.
Sarri has urged Willian to stay following his winner against Newcastle
"It's a case of being more balanced," he pointed out when discussing Hazard's current role in the team. "In the last six matches, we have conceded only three goals and one was a penalty. So I think at the moment in the defensive phase we are doing very well and one of the reasons, in my opinion, is that Eden is playing in that position."
Again, this is a familiar trope for Chelsea. Jose Mourinho became increasingly frustrated with the way that Hazard's unwillingness to track back defensively left the team exposed. Sarri has a reputation for being a much more attack-minded coach but even he appears conscious that his defence has more protection when Hazard is relieved of those duties.
"I think he needs to be let free on the pitch," he said recently, and in some ways it's worked. Hazard is now into double figures for goals and assists in the Premier League this season, only the second player after Lionel Messi in Europe's major leagues to achieve that feat. He has been directly involved in 20 goals, only three shy of his best ever season for Chelsea.
Hazard is on course for his most productive Premier League season
Maybe Sarri's much discussed transformation of Dries Mertens at Napoli can be repeated, after all. But don't count on it. "Dries is more of a striker than me," Hazard has said. "I am more like a playmaker. I like to come and touch the ball. Dries is not like this, he just wants to stay in the box. That's why he scores a lot of goals. We are different."
Hazard turned 28 this week so he is unlikely to change that attitude now - and why should he? It has got him this far and while Chelsea may have deficiencies in attack, it is a pity that their greatest entertainer is currently being asked to compromise his own game in order to help mask them. It is a solution of sorts for Sarri. But it is surely only a temporary one.

Both Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo have dominated world stage over the last decade winning five Ballons d'Ors each.Hazard told HLN that: "Two G.O.A.T.s (Greatest of All Time) you say? No way. There is only one G.O.A.T: Him, Lionel Messi!""Those two games against Barcelona were not my best memories of 2018. I was happy to play against Barcelona and Messi, but I didn’t deliver what I expected. I was disillusioned."My three sons were there for the home match at Stamford Bridge. The eldest is a big Messi fan - all of us are Messi fans, actually. He wanted to see Messi that day, because Messi is a special player."The 28-year-old had an amazing 2018 - helping Belgium win bronze medal at the FIFA World Cup in Russia.He continued:“That was something that came naturally. I didn’t think about it when we crossed each other. I just put myself in his place,""Everyone expected him to become the best player of the World Cup. It had to be Neymar. Lionel Messi was out of the tournament. Cristiano Ronaldo as well. The pressure on his shoulders must have been immense.
'"I know the feeling. But tens of thousands of times bigger than in Belgium, when they expected a lot from me in 2014. Thenation, the fans, the journalists. It was Neymar, Neymar, Neymar. It was all about Neymar, Neymar, Neymar."It was exaggerated hysteria. Have we won? Then it’s thanks to Neymar. Have we lost? Then it’s Neymar’s fault. As if those 22 others in the Brazil squad didn’t even participate."We did not speak - his English isn’t that good. It was all aboutthe gesture, not about the words. In a difficult moment I wanted to make him feel respected. To comfort him. He is a top player. His moment will come. Maybe at the next World Cup.“

nihilistjnr:
imagine such talk.

Sarri talking about our defensive performance against a team in the relegation zone

that is a result of the chelsea board pressure. That is what it can do to a coach. MADNESS

Upnepaa:
Bro stop this nonsense, If you want to troll Iniesta, troll him and nobody will beat you. Own your opinion. But saying Barca fans is using double standard for Hazard is a nonsense fact. I'm a barca fan and I have never criticised hazard ever in my life and as a matter of fact, MAJORITY of the barca fanbase don't sly him either. You are just raising dust where there is none. MAN U/EPL criticize him far more than we do. Barca fans troll the likes of Isco, Asensio and Ramos than Hazard that has just played 2 official games against barca in his entire career. So if you wanna troll Iniesta troll him in peace without involving barca fans.

as e take dey you now, na so e dey be us when raumdeuter and some of his asslickers that are barkabots come here to call Chelsea fans zombies with herd mentality

raumdeuter:
Silva

he is an attacking because he did not fail in his primary duty. hope you can see both of them in the same system

raumdeuter:
One is a midfielder one is an attacker

Drogba and Lukaku play the same position on the field

both are attacking midfielders

raumdeuter:
AC Milan has more CL trophies than Barcelona but currently, Barcelona is seen as the bigger team because AC Milan has not been doing well for years

Madrid before they started doing well in 2011, had the record but cant be considered a top team, they regained their status as a top team when they started makin the CL final stages consistently

oga, but you told us the other day that before they won in 2014, no one considered them a top team.

Which one do you want us to choose?

Stop trying to confuse us with turinchi, like 'had the record'

raumdeuter:
Double standard is when you use one criteria to judge a situation and cannot stick to that criteria

Like Chelsea fans using goals for Iniesta/Lampard but running away from th same to judge Lukaku/Drogba

double standard is when barca fans use one stick to flog hazard and refuse to use it to flog Iniesta.

chic2pimp:
The same can be said about pretty much any professional footballer out there. On their day, There are as good as anyone out there. How frequent those good days are is what differentiates Great players from the mediocres like Luiz. With players like Luiz, they'd always be ifs and buts whenever we refer to Him.

Luiz is as useless as they come. Ask Him to lead a Defence and the end result is what happened to Brazil 5 years ago.

you are right, but i can ask luiz to lead a defence and the result will be ucl trophy at allianz arena. When you ask him to lead a defence, the result can also be a pl title, which is a better representation of consistent performance.



The truth is, luiz career will always be confusing.

Unlimited22:
Na make una follow me see wetin I dey see.

mehn, did i just see luiz, puyol, cafu, etc in one sentence?

Unlimited22:
E get one Chelsea fan group wey I dey for whatsapp. Mehn, sometimes I begin to think there's truth in what some people here yab us with.


How can any sane person with two eyes be comparing David Luiz with a prime Vincent Kompany?

guy, forget the yabbing we dey give luiz for here. That guy have been part of defences that won important titles for us.
The guy's major problem is his irrational and sometimes carefree attitude. But, if he decides to be serious and disciplined on his day, he is as good as any top defender out there.


If only his madness and carelessness will allow him to achieve greatness.

There are simply no guarantees that the Argentine would get the time he needs to replicate his Spurs success, were he to be appointed at Old Trafford
Much of the build-up to the game between Tottenham and Manchester United at Wembley on Sunday has been focused on Mauricio Pochettino. The Spurs manager is reckoned to be the heavy favourite to replace Ole Gunnar Solskjaer once his short-term deal expires this summer.
Spurs fans have been pretty vocal over what they perceive to be disrespect in the tones in which their manager is being discussed. It’s been portrayed in many circles as a matter of formality that Pochettino would up sticks and move to Old Trafford. But it’s not so simple these days.
This is not the Manchester United of 20 top-flight titles. This is not the Manchester United of three Champions League finals in four seasons between 2008 and 2011. This is a very different Manchester United, where history is the biggest selling point and the lay of the land does not necessarily lend itself to the empire building that Pochettino would need to thrive.
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Make no mistake and do not let the recent run of results fool you. There may be harmony in the squad at present – as evidenced by a pleasant training camp in Dubai – but there is still wild dysfunction about Manchester United.
The sacking of Jose Mourinho merely papers over the cracks, and the good start experienced by Solskjaer should not be mistaken for a revival or for the new normal. United have such a way to travel before they can legitimately call themselves a top club again that it is tough to know where to start.
They can rip it up and start again but that will take decades. No one is going to get that kind of time. So, what they need to do is embrace the chaos, move quickly from one era to the next and discard the coaches who cannot keep up.
And that is not the type of chaos that would suit the talents of Pochettino. His progression at Spurs has been gradual. He has mixed some of the talents already at the club with some newcomers in the market while also bringing through plenty of young talent to boot.
He has had the space, the time and the right environment to do that. What he is achieving right now is the culmination of Spurs doing things properly.
United have had plenty of managers since Pochetttino arrived in north London. Each one has left behind a hotchpotch of signings and the squad is lacking any sort of collective identity. There is simply no guarantee that Pochettino would not end up like David Moyes, Louis van Gaal or Mourinho and be discarded as soon as results start to go skew-whiff.
That does not happen at Spurs, not that Pochettino has had to endure many nightmare runs of results. But he has built up enough credit with the chairman Daniel Levy over the years that his position is secure for the long-term.
These are testing times for Tottenham with a lack of transfer activity in the summer and continued fan discontent surrounding the impending move back from Wembley to the new White Hart Lane. Through it all results have been consistent and performances of a high level.
There have been thrilling individual displays from the likes of Christian Eriksen, Son Heung-min, Dele Alli and, of course, the captain Harry Kane. And that is the team that Pochettino has created with his own two hands. Spurs are going places; right now they appear to be a far better long-term bet than United.
The only downside at the moment is the contract situation of a few of their stars, not least Eriksen. If Spurs could somehow convince the Dane to commit his future to the club and to the new stadium then all would be well. Without that signature, there is the sense that Spurs are ready to be picked off - yet again.
United is no place for Pochettino right now; there is simply no way he could replicate his project there and all he could do is damage his reputation, albeit with a very handsome payoff.
What United need is a manager who can thrive despite the drama all around him. What they need is a manager who can roll his sleeves up on day one, make improvements to the players already on the books and set them out in such a way that they can climb the league table quickly.
What they need is a man with a track record of delivering at top clubs with difficult structures that require a politician’s disposition and a thick skin. They need a man who can get in, get trophies and get out.
Because Manchester United are that kind of club now. There will be no legacy builder. There will be managers coming in for short-term spells and what will define the success of their reigns will be the number of trophies they win.
They need Antonio Conte.
Conte has proven at Chelsea that he has what it takes to succeed in the grind of the Premier League. He instilled a remarkable consistency and discipline in the Chelsea squad. It may not have suited everyone at the time – fallouts with David Luiz and Diego Costa were particularly ugly – but it scarcely mattered. He made Chelsea champions in his first season in charge.
Conte picked up the pieces of Mourinho’s third-season botch and made the club as good as new. And, crucially, he is available.
Conte, after his successes with Juventus and Chelsea, has earned the right to be fussy. He turned down Real Madrid earlier this season as he did not feel like taking over from Julen Lopetegui mid-season. He needs time to plan his own project, and considering the trouble Santiago Solari is currently experiencing it can be said he dodged a bullet.
He will, however, be ready for his next challenge next summer, once the fug of the dispute with Chelsea has settled. And he will be coming to the market with a super club in mind. He would be interested in what United have to say, just like he would be interested in Real at the right time, or Bayern Munich. But it is United who would suit him down to the ground.
The players that were good enough and hungry enough would stay. The rest would be frozen out. A couple of key additions would be identified. United would quickly have a recognisable style of play and would stick to it. They would be hard to beat and would be well-matched to the challenges of Manchester City or Liverpool.
That is why United and Pochettino should stay well away from each other. The job suits Conte and Conte suits the job.



Chelsea board dey Bleep up.


https://www.goal.com/en-ng/news/why-conte-not-pochettino-is-the-right-man-for-man-utd/17rze8k6tjmc110myc39ikzwrs