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The goals were flowing like half-baked ideas
from Greg Dyke's brain, but arguably the
biggest change to Suarez's game was the
frequency with which he was now looking to set
up his team mates - most notably strike-
partner Daniel Sturridge. Over the course of
the season, Suarez contributed 12 assists - one
more than he'd managed in the entirety of his
first two-and-a-half years on Merseyside.
https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/was-luis-suarezs-201314-greatest-ever-premier-league-season
More prove.

raumdeuter:
Yes it is more accurate than the premierleague site. the way asissts are counted in Europe is different from in England.

And when comparisons are made across the continent, its logical to use a common measurement for everyone

E.g if I say Suarez has 30 assists in barca using Europe measurement, How can I compare it to say Suarez has 12 assists using premierleague measurement

The logical thing to do is to use the same measurement for everyone unless you can get me a measurement by premierleague of La Liga goals and assists

Its simple logic, thats why I say until some of you are force fed with logic and placed on drip logic you shouldnt be trying to spar with me. I am on a different level

lol. I am so sorry for people who follow you. Maybe, you should tell us another way of counting assists if not the last player that passed to the scorer and the player that won a penalty and didn't take it; and the epl uses both. The other assist type i know about is the one that Chelsea uses, which is given by the player that played a key role in the goal being scored.
I can bet with anything that there is no other site that will show that Suarez got 21 assist that season in the epl, unless the site belongs to you. You can try and prove me wrong.

raumdeuter:
Lol I have told you if you want to tackle me you need your facts, you need logic

You cant tackle raumdeuterr with these underdeveloped muscles you need to hit the gym ask donjazet

That was how bimfo wanted to take me on and lost his money.

That was how ibime tried it and lost a change on moniker bet

I think I should be charging money for the free knowledge

The smart ones like lordfalcao and kesh sit back and take note

The dumb ones like airmark and chelseafan1 posts gif ask stupid questions and like posts

The stubborn ones like diggz greatihex try to tackle me without doing their homework and always get a bloody nose every single time

i wonder who will get a bloody nose today.

Raumdeuter! Come and answer to this. I have given you the official epl site for another proof.
https://www.premierleague.com/players/4138/Luis-Suárez/stats?se=22

raumdeuter:
listen to him

is it more accurate than the epl official site?
https://www.premierleague.com/players/4138/Luis-Suárez/stats?se=22

You should apologize now with the money. I have shown you more than one proof.

Wait, i thought whoscored is your Eh and Amen?

Something tells me that mou was aiming a dig at Wenger here
"Football is full of philosophers; people who
understand much more than me," he
sarcastically stated in April 2014. "But the
reality is that a team that doesn't defend
well doesn't have many chances to win."
www.m.goal.com/s/en-ng/news/4055/main/2017/04/12/34533152/is-ben-arfa-right-are-mourinho-simeone-killing-the-beautiful

Raumdeuter, you are very pathetic. https://www.premierleague.com/players/4138/Luis-Suárez/stats?se=22

Raumdeuter, you are very pathetic. https://www.premierleague.com/players/4138/Luis-Suárez/stats?se=22

raumdeuter:
Have you checked the link I showed you?

where is the $40 and apology? I have that stat off hand cus i checked it in the official epl site that season. Hazard had 8 assist that season and Suarez led the chart with 12. I don burst your lie.

raumdeuter:
Now that I have shown it below. Can you now pay your own $40

http://www.transfermarkt.com/luis-suarez/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/44352/plus/0?saison=2013&verein=31&liga=&wettbewerb=&pos=&trainer_id=

you are very pathetic. Who is sure you are not a mod of that site. Why didn't you show us your favorite whoscored.
https://www.whoscored.com/Players/22221/History/Luis-Suárez

Make the apology with that money now.

lordfalcao:
it's the truth..

can you show me? To the best of my knowledge, he got 12 assists in the epl that season. Where did the remaining 9 come from.

www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/10826283/pundits-young-player-of-the-season
www.skysports.com/football/news/11675/10833112/best-youngster-in-europe

It has begun

raumdeuter:
Currently Suarez is the 2nd highest top scorer in the La liga that has Messi and Ronaldo,

In all comps Suarez has 32 goals

Very few strikers in the game press the way Suarez does. If you are using Suarez as a comparison to Aguero thats a big foul. Try Higuain,
FYI Suarez is at least 5 times better than Aguero will ever be,

If and when Suarez miss chances, he makes up for it with his insane work rate and pressing. Thats why Suarez has 32 goals and 17 assists, Aguero has 4 assists in all comps. Before you say its La Liga or Barcelona, Suarez had 31 goals and 21 assists in his last season at Liverpool. Without being the penalty taker and when the striker partner was Sturridge. Trying to compare that to Aguero is insanity

So if Aguero is now missing chances at the rate of Suarez yet very inferior in press and linkup, So whats his(Agueros) use to compare him to an elite striker like Suarez?

Most coaches will pick Suarez used socks before picking full bodied current Aguero so lets have a pattern to this madness and know that shoes have sizes

you must show us where suarez had 21 assists or you apologize with $40.

www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/10831653/frank-lampard-on-goals-on-sunday-chelsea-legend-discusses-antonio-conte-dele-alli-west-ham-and-more
Lampard's interview

mathys:
The annoying part is, you guys keep screaming link up play like it will put the ball at the back of the net itself.

Hazard and pedro cant guarantee us 20 plus goals a season yet u guys keep dreaming about a spanish striker whose only attribute is link up play and dribbling. Someone even went as far as putting suarezs name beside morata all in the name of link up play like that is the only thing saurez does well.

Please and please......

that is not true. It is not as if morata does not score goals. Hazard can give us at least 20 goals in a season.like i stated before, we one won the league in a season that lampard was our highest goal scorer with 15 goals

atebesunny:
This argument will go on at least until the summer, and this is not about who's better cos you're are as good as your teammates ( football is a team sport). What we all should put in mind is that football is gradually moving away from a 'one man burly striker upfront whom you lump the ball to', now you need intelligence as a striker not just strength and brute.
Barcelona....... Suarez
R.Madrid........Benzema, Morata
Bayern........, Lewandoski, Muller
Dortmund....... Abumeyang
Juventus.........Dybala and Higuain
A.Madrid........Grezmain, Torres

The above team are the so called dominant teams in Europe now and their play isn't lump it up to a 'BURLY' striker but one of intelligent movements and use of the ball.
So let ask ourselves sincerely; IS LUKAKU A STRIKER LIKE THAT
We also need a striker that will play to the strength of our best player(s) e.g Hazard not the one we'll have to change our IDEA of football for (how a wish for a striker like Etoo, Henry or Larsson e.t.c in their prime; these are guys that has it all )
like I said in my previous post, we should let the coach decide on players that fit into his IDEA of football( I hope players won't be forced on him by the board)

you just said it all

dyabman:
To me , Morata over Lukuku . Morata link up play upfront with other attacking players is the best I've seen out there in recent times. If not Morata then get me Lacazette

finish!!!

airmark:
Did everton play real sociedad in laliga?

i mean, the pressure on him to deliver with the limited chances

mathys:
Same way we can create excuses for batshuayi..... I am sure you also saw what batshuayi did in the last world cup or so..?

Sanchez or/and lukaku will do just fine. Morata can stay with madrid please.

you dont have anything on batshuayi. the nigga has always delivered the goals whenever he is given the opportunity. You sound like someone who doesn't know much about morata.
If it is between morata and lukaku, i will go for morata. period

airmark:
He led spain to where? Earlier this season he started first 3 games and his performances didn't impress zizou. There must be a reason he was preferred to come in as sub subsequently.

my brother, we are talking about Madrid here o not Everton or westbrom.

www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/10826935/conte-better-than-pep Following Chelsea's 2-1 win over Manchester City at Stamford Bridge on Wednesday night, Adam Bate picks out three reasons why Antonio Conte has had the edge over Pep Guardiola this season. There was much excitement in the summer at the prospect of two of Europe's greatest coaches coming to work in England for the first time. Pep Guardiola had won a trio of titles in both Spain and Germany, while Antonio Conte had lifted the trophy in Italy three times. Hazard double beats City Eden Hazard's two goals helped Chelsea get the better of Man City at Stamford Bridge. But it was the Manchester City man who was expected to hit the ground running. He was 9/4 with Sky Bet to take City to the title, while Chelsea were 5/1 outsiders - a reflection of the fact that the Blues had only finished 10th the previous season. But it is Conte who has delivered. "He's an excellent manager," said Guardiola on the eve of their clash on Wednesday night. "I learn a lot when I see his teams - Juventus, Italy and now. I like to do that because you see what they want to do. Their teams control a lot of aspects. Maybe he's the best." Highlights of Chelsea's 2-1 Premier League win over Manchester City He's certainly had the better of it in the Premier League this season with Conte becoming the first manager to do the double over Guardiola in a league season. His Chelsea side seem set to win the Premier League title too as they are still seven points clear at the top. So what's been the key to Conte outperforming Guardiola in the Premier League so far? Well, it's been a combination of good decisions and bad luck. Here are three of the key factors that have led to their contrasting fortunes in their first season in English football… Big players and big moments Eden Hazard has scored more impressive goals than the two he managed against City at the Bridge, netting thanks to a deflected shot and a rebound from a missed penalty. But the Belgian was impressive again and has proven decisive in key moments for Conte this season. Hazard's previous goal at Stamford Bridge had been against Arsenal and his previous two-goal haul came against Everton. Having also scored at City and against Manchester United, the majority of his 13 Premier League goals this season have been against the top seven. Man Utd vs Chelsea April 16, 2017, 3:30pm Live on Get Sky Sports Get a Sky Sports pass It's an unusual statistic and Guardiola will no doubt feel that his own star names have not replicated that with big moments going against his side. Not only have City surrendered leads to Chelsea, Tottenham and Arsenal this season but they have also wasted chances to extend their advantages. From Kevin De Bruyne's amazing miss against Chelsea at the Etihad to Sergio's Aguero headed chance to double City's lead over Arsenal last week, Guardiola's men have wasted a series of clear opportunities - much to the exasperation of their manager. It's been a particular problem in those big games. In fact, according to Opta, City have scored only nine of their 26 clear chances (35 per cent) against fellow top-seven teams compared to 30 out of 51 (59 per cent) against the rest. That has been a huge issue for Guardiola. Conte has got the big calls right this season, while Guardiola has not Key changes that have paid off If the City boss can claim to have been unfortunate in that respect, some of the team's issues can be firmly laid at his door. Most notably, the sort of goalkeeper error by Willy Caballero that saw him allow Hazard's shot to squirm beyond him for the opening goal on Wednesday. Few felt the 35-year-old Argentine and long- time back-up goalkeeper was up to the challenge of being a starter in a title-winning team and his mere presence in the City goal is a reflection on Claudio Bravo's shockingly bad start to life in England. The Chilean became the second most expensive goalkeeper in Premier League history when Guardiola decided to replace Joe Hart, but Bravo has since lost his place as a result of having the worst save percentage of any keeper to make 10 or more appearances this season. Conte was pleased with his side's defensive display as they beat Manchester City Ironically, Thibaut Courtois made an error of his own at the other end against City. And yet, it is clear that Conte not only possesses the superior goalkeeper but that - in contrast to his City counterpart - he has succeeded in getting the biggest decisions right for Chelsea this season. The signing of David Luiz was seen as a gamble, as was the switch to 3-4-3, but both moves have proven spectacularly successful. N'Golo Kante has been an excellent signing too, while various issues regarding Diego Costa, Cesc Fabregas and John Terry have been expertly handled. Settled system and simple instructions Conte says his man-management would be better still if he had a greater grasp of English. "In Italy, for me, honestly, it was easier to find the right words to motivate my players," he admitted after the City game. "I'm not at a great level to give motivational talks. But I try." He has succeeded by keeping it simple and keeping the changes to a minimum. Chelsea have played their 3-4-3 on 22 occasions so far this season. In contrast, according to Opta, City have used seven different formations - using no one system more than a dozen times thus far. Get Sky Sports for £18 Upgrade to Sky Sports now and get 12 months for just £18 per month! It's the same with the personnel. Chelsea won six games in a row with the same side earlier this season. Guardiola is yet to name an unchanged line-up. Whether that's a cause of Chelsea's success or an effect of it, Conte's philosophy would appear easier to grasp. Guardiola, meanwhile, remains confident that City will get to the level he wants them eventually but acknowledges it will take time. "Next season will be better," he said as long ago as December. "Two years will be better. Give me time." He is certain to get more of that. But for the reasons outlined above, Conte did not need that time to bring trophies back to Stamford Bridge. Clearly, it's the Chelsea boss who has had the edge on his fellow super-coach so far.

airmark:
Why will he not be a good fit for chelsea? Thats the question. He wont be able to face the rigour. Soldado, negredo found it difficult when they came those years. Check those topping epl scorers chart, you will see some characteristics which morata lacks. He is a good striker no doubt, but we cant just buy him just because of assisting others. His scoring ability is not impressive.



We shouldnt buy him just because of hazard and pedro. We need him to be scoring 20+ too. If we want that we kuku go for auba. We need an aggressive striker. What happens if hazard or pedro get injured or off-form? We will rely on an 8 goal-a-season striker.

is it lukaku that will play without hazard and Pedro feeding him? Lukaku will even be bringing to nothing their efforts.
I even remember Hazard being frustrated by lukaku against Hungary at the euros.

mathys:
How can three matches in a single season translate into turning up in big games or matches? Just 3games kpere...... in how many years of playing soccer again? Even ramirez is a big game changer or scorer or whatever you choose to call it next

the same cannot be said of lukaku. He didn't need to score to prove that he played well. He was the main treat going forward for juve.

airmark:
Thats why people need to watch matches, not just base their judgements on stats. There were madrid matches i watched i was even asking for benzema to replace him. Imagine? We need a bullish striker, ready to fight upfront independently, full stop.

this same morata led the line for Spain at the euros. Did you watch last season match between juve and bayern in the second leg of the ucl? His poor performance in Madrid can be attributed to lack of enough playing time and no confidence in him from the manager.

raumdeuter:
No problem that is why he will continue to be a local champion as it is Sanchez, Alli and Sadio Mane have more contributions to goal than Hidden Hazard



No problem but dont even compare him to his superiors like Neymar or any other players, Let him just be the local champ like Mahrez

Has it made them candidates to win player of the season?

airmark:
I didnt say hazard and pedro wouldn't get us some goals, you made mention of lampard and i told you one of the reasons he got those numbers. My point is morata is not the best fit for our style especially in epl. As you rightly said he may do ok in counters, but how will he survive many big heads in the box, breathing on his neck? We cant be waiting for counter everytime before scoring. What happens when hazard , pedro are off or injured and we need morata to do a costa (bullying) for us? Is he that striker? Your guess is as good as mine.



Aguero has a low central of gravity. At his peak, he can wreck havoc in a tight space. Morata is good but he doesn't fit into what we need upfront. Lukaku is tested in epl, if it's just to keep away defenders by getting them busy , so hazard and pedro will have more freedom, it's ok by me.

the interplay with Hazard and Pedro can unlock any defense. Morata can take on two or more defenders and shoot. He can create chances for his teammates to score.

mathys:
Morata and big game sha? Bros easy abeg. Abi no be same morata or na raul u wan talk?

juve vs madrid, juve vs barca, juve vs bayern.

hensben:
Tell them bro. Collective effort win you trophies in game of football. Cr7 and Messi don spoil ball finish.
Imagine, Hazard Morata Sanchez in our attack. Morata style of play will so much complement those two guys.

for sure

raumdeuter:
In a local match? Hidden Hazard has 2 goals from CL open play, you dey dance to a performance in a local league

in a local league against your lord and Master.

airmark:
I just dont dig it at all.



Dont be carried away with those stats. Ibrahim has great stats, i will curse conte if he brings him for free next season. I watched morata and he is not the one we need. Conte should not make that mistake, he will go the way of negredo and soldado in epl.

he may still go the way of Aguero. If we don't need morata, definitely we don't need lukaku. Morata is a big game player and that is one thing that lukaku lacks.

raumdeuter:
In a local match? Hidden Hazard has 2 goals from CL open play, you dey dance to a performance in a local league

in a local league against your lord and Master.

airmark:
None of hazard and pedro has the leg power of lampard, who can hammer shots from the central circle. We should be preparing to face more stubborn defence everywhere next season. We dont have the exclusive right to 5 defenders. What happens when i.diots like crystal palace block every space against our attackers, can morata bully defenders to score out of nothing like costa did earlier this season? Most teams now understand chelsea's style and it will be hard for morata kind of striker to thrive. Even some games in laliga, some defenders successfully bullied him and got him frustrated in matches. Though i'm not too comfortable with lukaku, but i will prefer him if we cant get any explosive striker like belloti.

Hazard has scored 14 League goals in two seasons out of four seasons and is on course to beat that record this season. So, the issue of hazard and Pedro not being able to get us some goals is false.