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raumdeuter:
When Debruyne outperformed hazard in 2015 you said its because he was in Germany

Now 2 seasons in EPL Debruyne hasn't failed to outperform Hidden hazard numbers

raumdeuter:
Yes Pedro more assists in less games abi shey Pedro dey bring assist from home

raumdeuter:
you can continue saying that till you are red in the face truth is when you look at the numbers Hazard is closer to Zaha than to the top

Ibime:
Iniesta won UCL and World Cup. He is lucky as far as I am concerned. Hazard should either get lucky or starting posting numbers.

raumdeuter:
WHich striker hasnt wasted clear cut chances created by a midfielder? Has Costa not wasted chances created by Fabregas?

So why does Fabregas have more assists than Hidden

That can only mean Fabregas constantly delivers quality assists while Hidden most time just lumps the ball and hopes Costa does something with it

Nihilist:
A third of Costa's goals this season have come from set pieces which the likes of Fabregas and Willian take.

Ibime:
Everyone will post better stats in those teams. The question is can he post Neymar numbers?

Ibime:
KDB has the goals/assists total and the creativity and vision for me.

The Hazard WPOTY debate is hinged on hoping to win World Cup or Euros which has not happened yet, so as far as I am concerned that is pie in the sky speculation for now.

What I have in my hand right now is goals/assists and my personal preference for who I think is more dangerous to opposition.

raumdeuter:
11 goals 23 assists in all competition

Ibime:
I hope logic is not lost on you. You are an architectural graduate so I believe you to be intelligent.

You named Iniesta, Ribery and Zidane as people who made podium, yet they made podium due to circumstance ie UCL, World Cup etc.

You can either make podium by these circumstances or by posting unbelievable goals and assists like Neymar, Messi etc

Hazard does not post the goals and assists
He has not had the luck of circumstance to win one of the big trophies.

So on which basis should he be crowned?

How is this different to Ross Barkley claiming he does not have the goals and assists like Messi, but if he can get lucky to win World Cup with England, he might be considered for podium?

raumdeuter:
So the question is, Is Costa discriminating Hazard assists from fabregas assists

Chelseafan1:
You are gradually learning nonsense from that Bayern fraud....How many UCL has your club won in her history? Only 1, if you can't remember.

The De bryune that cost more than Hazard, how any UCL or WC has he won?

You dey fall hand this night o.

You wanna compare a footballing nation like Spain and France or clubs like madrid/Barca to Belgium/Chelsea.

I am trying so hard not to say more demeaning words to you this night. Just rest your fingers abeg.

Old age is catching up with you and your friend. Make una go retire abeg.

bigkesh:
Can all the goals and assists fanboys just assume that Football players,Pundits,Coaches,Whoscored and Squakwa are all slightly........... Slightly smarter than them


Less goals,less assists but Eden keeps flogging every other player in the league

The goals and assists trash is reigning in every beer parlour in town.....Time to drop it and think with their heads not with stats

Ibime:
Willians edge may be in corners this season.

If you ask me, I would tell you the quicker the pass the better the chance of scoring. Too much dribbling before passing allows defence to get back in position to challenge any chance created.

bigkesh:
I think ya all are right on this Hazard issue


Ibime is right to insist goals and assists win games and until Hazard starts giving us mad numbers he is just like Ribery.

Jimmy and Hensben are also right to rate him based on his talent as one of the very best,afterall greats like Zidane,Iniesta and co didn't need numbers


That's why I think we need another guy opposite Eden to give us the numbers while Hazard keep killing opponents with his talent

You can't have a team made of Direct players like Sanchez and co and win a lot,sometimes you need the tricks and skill to win games...Like we saw this season,sometimes it was Pedro's directness and eye for goal that saved us,and most tines it was Hazard's genius



Everyone has their type of players, Hazard is not just Ibime's

lalaboi:
Hazard fanboys at it again.

Ibime, you wont get anywhere arguing Hazard with these one sided muchachos who wont accept nor say the truth even when their lives depended on it.

Best player no be by mouth when you don't consistently have the stats to back it up. He is currently not one of the top scorers in the league. He is currently not even top 10 assisters in the league. Does it make him not to be the best player in the team? for someone who is supposedly 'Chelsea's' best player whom some pricks want us to believe that he's Ronaldo/Messi and even Neymar level. Ori yin o fe pe!

Mourinho the reason Hazard has not flourished? which kain yeye nonsense be this?

Or maybe theres more to it. These pro-hazard dudes have won money on this board before because of hazard, hence the loyalty being displayed alongside the level of absurdity of their claim.

He may arguably be Chelsea's best 'attacking' player but that doesn't mean we cant speak up when he isnt doing enough...

Ibime:
I can't call it. All I know is if there's urgency in your game, and you are producing quality final passes, assists will surely follow. I don't believe in luck. I saw Raheem Sterling leading in key passes at some point of the season 2 or 3 years ago without the assists to show for it. And when you look at the type of chances he was creating, they were not clean. There are different quality of chances. When the likes of DeBruyne, Eriksson, Fabregas hit you with a goalscoring chance, the whole world and his mama knows the chance is clean and easier to score.

obainojazz:
whoscored- Likes to dribble ...thought I've seen it all....His weakness- crossing...guess ibime was right about the quality of cross thing....
but I'll like the fella in man utd.

Ibime:
Quality of pass, weight of pass etc.

Whereas Fabregas drop ball for you so all you have to do is shoot one-on-one with goalie, Hazard might flash ball across box where striker has to execute a difficult manoeuvre to score.

It takes no gainsaying to know that if you heard that Wilfred Zaha for example made more chances than say Christian Eriksson, you sef will know the kind of chances Zaha creates are not quality chances, they are probably chances where he dribbles to the byline and flash the ball at top speed toward the striker making it difficult to score, whereas Erikssons chances will be easier to convert.

Ibime:
This is why you are a mugu, because after arguing nonsense about squawka attack score being what professional managers use, you have demurred to telling us goals is the only metric you can back. I will be back on this matter on Monday if Hazard fails to score tomorrow, then all 3 metrics will be below 2014/15, and then you will start to explain why attack score is still higher. Mugu.

I am still waiting for your answer on why Costa discriminates between Hazard and Fabregas BTW.

hensben:
As in ehn... men that claim to be watching football since 1900 analyzing game of football like my 5 year old nephew

Ibime:
What is points per game? Everybody's points per game is higher because the teams points are higher.

Hazard 37 goals/assists in 2013
Hazard 27 goals/assists in 2014
Hazard 32 goals/assists in 2015
Hazard 23 goals/assists in 2017 (now penalty taker)

And one clown will blame defensive managers for holding him back in the past because he decided to eat too many kebabs last season and lost his sharpness. Meanwhile this is lowest season for attacking returns except kebab season.

obainojazz:
Is cypmeni the botanical name for star fish....I mean no brain thing..... people are bring out fact...yoh acting all stupid...chelsea won the league, if it had been man city..I'm sure we all be hearing kdb for president now.

Ibime:
All those players you mentioned are goalscorers. KDB is an assist maker. A player can punch through to PFA based on goals in a shyte team. An assist maker won't be as prominent.

KDB has been better than Hazard every season since 2014/15. Phuck is you talking bout.

Ibime:
PFA awards are based on team performance. If Man City were in title hunt, he would be first on the list, but leave yourself in no doubt that he has been the most impressive on an individual basis in last 2 years.

Ibime:
Let me tell you, Begovic is as good a backup as you can hope to get. Backup goalkeepers usually become shyte from sitting on the bench, every one of them. You only hope to get one who doesn't make mistakes when called upon, and Bego doesn't.

I'm sure you remember Carlo Cudicini who was a top class keeper for Chelsea, top 3 in EPL, how he started making mistakes and looking shaky once Cech glued his aßß to the bench. Same goes for Michel Vorm who was a top keeper at Swansea but now makes a mistake a game on the odd occasion he plays for Spurs.

Goalkeepers lose 50% of their skill once they become a number 2. That is because the art of goalkeeping requires you to constantly practice in situational scenarios every single week, whether that is coming to catch a ball in a crowded area, or tussling with opposition strikers. These situations cannot be replicated in training. Hence once you have a backup goalkeeper that makes no mistakes like Bego, you should be grateful. Between lack of weekly practice and confidence of not building your rhythm, there is no goalie in the world you will glue to bench that will not be shaky until he gets a run of games. So forget all those Tom Heaton you keep talking about. they cannot handle being backup better than Bego.

Ibime:
DeBruyne 20 assists, 18 in EPL

Fom central midfield.

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