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Ibime:
He is about to have only 1 nomination in his last 4 seasons. A players y'all claim is Baba after Messi and Ronaldo. Spits. When has Messi and Ronaldo missed out on nomination in the last 10 years? Rising tide footballer.

which player has been close to messi and Ronaldo in the past 10 yrs?

Ibime:
Don't digress from the original argument. Which PFA winner was compared to Hazard?

No doubt Hazard was good, but not great. Great was Suarez, RVP, Bale, Salah who broke records on their way to PFA, while Hazard just had a good season and won PFA due to rising tide that lifted his boat, unlike these other great PFA winners.

my post was not about your argument with the other guy about who was compared to hazard or not. I just wanted to counter your claim of hazard getting any chance at pfa only when his team wins the league.


BTW, getting nominated for pfa 4 out of 6 seasons in EPL is not beans.

You guys should watch it. One day, if Kante is no longer at the top of his game, ibime will start telling us how Kante's pfa was as a result of 'rising tides lift all boats'.

That is how they have already started rubbishing the contribution of luiz during our 2017 winning season.

Ibime:
He got nominated as the most prominent Chelsea player in a team that finished 3rd and fought for title. He was never in contention with Suarez who won European golden shoe. Nor was he in contention with Yaya truly who had a 24 goal season.

Back to the point of Ninjametahuman claiming all PFA players are compared to Hazard when outstanding PFA winners like Bale, Suarez, RVP, Salah broke records on their way to PFA when Hazard PFA was a mere "rising tide lifts all boats" situation.

just look at the kind of ridiculous things you are saying. You are beginning to sound like raumdeuter now.

Like i said, you may not like the way hazard plays [which is not a bad thing] but please stop making ridiculous statements while trying to defend your other ridiculous statements.

What made a 22 year old player, who is having his second season in a club like Chelsea prominent?
What made a team without a reasonable striker fight for the title?

Wait o, oga ibime, are you trying to rubbish the performance of hazard in that season?

Ibime:
Sharrap. Being nominated does not mean serious challenge was put up. Suarez dusted Hazard in 2014. There was no serious challenge. On a normal day, he should not have been compared to Yaya that season sef. That's why he didn't finish top 3 in Football writers award.

if Suarez dusted hazard who came second, what then will be said of the rest that were nominated?




So, for a player to be among 6 players nominated out of more than 300 players is not a credit? Mind you, his team did not win the league o?

Ibime:
Nobody is talking of Hazard every single year except on Nairaland where his legion of fanatics vs Raumdeuter make him the topic of discussion.

Hazard only entered running for PFA when Chelsea won the league, and is not to be compared to people whose performance was so outstanding, even when their team did not smell winning the league, they were overwhelming PFA winners.

Gareth Bale won PFA twice without his team sniffing or even in running for league, RVP won PFA with his team in fourphy position, Suarez won PFA without winning the league, and Salah won PFA without Liverpool even challenging for league title. These are players with outstanding and undeniable individual performance. . . . not "rising tide lifts all boats" player like Hazard who is nowhere in PFA when his team does not win league.

you always make claims without have facts to back them. If you put money now, you go lose.

Hazard has put a serious challenge for pfa player of the year before when his team did not win the league. Can you bet against that?

In 2013/2014, hazard won the pfa young player and came marginally second to an on-fire Suarez for the senior award. His team did not win the league. His team did not come second.

The hazard noise is too much and every one can see that it is raumdeuter that is the cause. You may not like the way hazard plays, but please don't tell half truths here to malign hazard. This is a chelsea thread and Hazard still remains a chelsea player. Therefore, we will not take any lie against the person of hazard.

eph12:
Mourinho was fighting with everybody, killing the spirit of the players. Some of them are yet to recover.

He wanted new players, but it wasn't reported of his attempt to sell anybody even though we had so many players who had no business being in the club.

Most of the players he bought were struggling big time, if not all. A coach job is not only tactics, he has to build a relationship with the team. The players should be able to trust him to have their back always. Mourinho didn't see it that way. He had his guys in the team, those ones are never wrong, while he's ready to scapegoat those that are not 'his guys'.

There's nothing much expected of OGS when he joined, especially at a point when the players were feeling very low. He was brought in to improve their spirit and give them believe, not a coach that will tell them that they will lose.

Under Mourinho, the team had the most lazy midfield because they prefer to 'gbude' the ball to the attackers. Till today, OGS is still trying to correct that. This was Mourinho's third season.

you didn't say what van gaal didn’t insinuate. But, you didn't counter his claim of park the bus

thorrvik55:
Why did u type dis long epistle when a simple OK would have sufficed...

no. I am not joining the madness yet. Maybe, in the future.

raumdeuter:
Its way harder to play in a highline than in low block

In a highline its just 2 central defenders covering almost 30yards of space while in low block almost 5-6 players are there helping out

i am not in the mood for debate now. Maybe in future.

This 'Ok' is now the new argument dodging strategy.

Nobody will know when you are saying ok because you cant counter the other person's argument or when you just don't want to argue further.

raumdeuter:
If its to play parapo bus parking defending, any defender can do that till age 70 sef. Take these defenders to play high line and let us see how that will work out

When DiMatteo was bus parking to the CL final even Luiz looked okay. Barzagli was expelled by Wolfsburg, Benatia was benched in central defence by 5ft9 Kimmich he got back to parapo defence in Juventus and started looking decent again. At Liverpool Benitez will just pick any random defender from Agger to Caragher to Skrtel, to Hyypia to Finnan to Djimi Traore to Phillip Degen and will make CL final because he will play them in a low block defending, all these players will get away from community defence and turn to duds

Canavaro won the WPOTY and world cup in parapo defence, 3months later he looked worse than Sodje when in Madrid defence that didn't do community defence

Kompany was practically retired and left to play advisory role in City the moment Guardiola arrived and deployed a very high line, Whenever he's healthy and played he is barely mobile and resorts to reckless tackles to cover himself. This same Kompany move him to Juventus or Atletico today and he will play another 6yrs at top level.

How old was Terry when he played under AVB and was totally torn to shreds in the high line?

Vidic one of the great defenders in modern times, how much meaningful football did he play at 34 or even 32. He is currently 37 and sounds like he is been gone for close to half a decade

if you preach this message from today till forever, it will never become the gospel of truth.
Low block require some skill set to excel in it as well as a high line.

What is the meaning of this? You guys should look for another battlefield. Not our thread.

raumdeuter:
Messi who has dominated club football for the past decade will learn from Sunday Mba

Who will Hazard learn from? That has been a failure everywhere

them use hazard swear for you? You are really obsessed with hazard. You sure say you no dey see am for dream?


Oga, Messi should leave Argentina team. He is a shakushaku dancer.

raumdeuter:
Between the time messi was born and when he started playing for Argentina how many world cups did they win

Messi should go and learn from real men like sunday mba who dragged his team to afcon glory playing with the likes of, Moses, oboabana, omeruo etc. Delivering in semi and final.

raumdeuter:
Argentina has not won the world cup since messi was born

oga, this one no be hazard matter o. Abeg.

One thing is sure. Argentina won trophies before Messi.
He should stop blocking space for real men.

Ibime:
Confidence and seeing him on left wing rather than right wing. Plus he dey score ever match for Europa. A player with goals in his boot is priceless. You know me, I respect nothing more than goals, not shakushaku.

bookmarked.

Unlimited22:
Argentina keep giving people sticks to beat Messi with.
It's a friendly, but how the hell can you be losing to Venezuela?

Messi is a shakushaku dancer. Real men like maradona drag there teams to titles no matter the teammates or coaches.
Before Messi, argentina used to win the world cup, but since Messi started playing for argentina, they have lost multiple final.
He should leave the team so that real men can come and win trophies for the country.

raumdeuter:
When Belgium met Brazil Hazard was just a passenger

https://j.gifs.com/xnnNNz.gif

If na him get that Debruyne ball, na to first dance shakushaku and miss the chance

oga, i am not doing hazard argument with you.
I am not in the mood to play.

airmark:
We are putting an end to it today.

as long as raumdeuter is concerned, he no go gree

This is really boring. Everyday someone will be reading the same thing over and over. Page to page

everyday week, hazard this, hazard that. what is the problem. this thing don too much. kai.

NinjaMetahuman:
has hazard ever missed a penalty though?

in Chelsea i think it is more than 5. I can remember

Norsjelland, maribor, crystal palace, man city, stoke [shootout]. I know that there are more, but i can't remember the matches.
In that his 2015 horrible season, there was one that he ballooned into the sky.

Of all the misses only two have cost us. Maribor and stoke shootout

Seems like this thread has been abandoned

guys, i keep asking myself, what on earth was pedro thinking that made him not to take the shot there?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq3up0BadV8

Unlimited22:
In 5 years, someone who wasn't old enough to watch football objectively will see this blasphemous statement now and be telling his cronies that Kante was so bad Jorginho pursued him from DM. Na wa o.

no mind am

sod09:
you can't blame terry for penalty shoot out miss. TH14 ran riot on barca defense that day we should have been out of sight even with a man down

that is not what i meant. cr7 missed his own penalty kick which would have proved costly had Terry converted his own.

sod09:
cr7 if not for anything he won the ucl unlike henry that made us lose it

do you know that if not for Terry, cr7 would have made united lose the ucl?

raumdeuter:
A Close second will be



Who knows whats happening to Wanyama these days?

Kante has been chased from DM by a jogginghoe

this exactly how this man twists narrative.

The younger generation that did not witness this season will believe this when he tells the story with his line up facts in the future.

He will never mention to them that Kante was actually baby sitting the jorginho and that the manager then was a chain smoking deluded fool who has not won anything in life.
If someone brings it up that the man never won anything at Chelsea, gbam. He will start telling them how a certain eden hazard was the cause.





Are you sure you are not going to take this into your old age. It is an abomination for an old to tell lies to small children o or twisting truth.

SkimpleD:
Baba, free this matter na. No need to come dey bring Holyspirit inside am.
We go detail this thread.

i don Free am

gensteejay:
Please, let's stop this discussion on religion. Reading about these things is a personal endeavor. Everything is online in books and websites on philosophy if you wish to read more about the subject. Reading the Bible and other holy books of religions critically will give one a deeper understanding of these things.

this is where all your problem started. You were reading the word of God with your carnal knowledge, instead of studying it with the help of the holy spirit.



The message of the cross is foolishness unto those who are not saved, but unto those who are saved, it is the power of God.



There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof is the way of death.

gensteejay:
There are different versions of The Dead Sea Scrolls online. Is it reasonable to cite such books as a piece of evidence of the existence of juju, when its genuineness can't be ascertained?

This is not the kind of books to cite as evidence to back a claim.

oga stop running around