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hoopernikao:
You are derailing again. Let's keep the focus.

You raised some issues and that's what we are looking at. You don't have to believe the bible but what is required of you in all things is to present what you read in it with all honesty without deceit. You will an then draw your argument or detest from that.

Personally, I know you aren't a dishonest person but just haven't read it well the way you should as with all literature. That is what I am trying to make you see here.

At least you need to start from the point of reading it properly, it will help you to understand the flow of sequence, activities, actions and thoughts. It will also help you to either be more resolute in your rejection of its intent or draw closer to accepting its true intent.

So, what is key now and the point here is to know and be sure that what you read and how you interpret even the literal writings of the bible is actually what was presented in it including obeying its grammatical construction. Don't you thing that will present you as honest and open hearted?

Buhahaha what is this, some kind of split personality, , you were brutal with your previous post now clam and gentle wtf.

The entertainment I get for free on Nairaland.

Maximus69:
My guy, according to Jehovah you should be dead by now as a sinner, so show tender feeling for others but try to correct them with mildness not to repeat such again.

Why do you think most people running away from being JWs?
Well it's because we don't tolerate miscreants Sir!
You can make mistakes cause no one is perfect but you must accept counsels so at not to repeat such serious blunders!

What happens when one repeats it.

hoopernikao:
The text you queried, that, why will God rest if he is God. You said rest will mean God is limited.
You should read it well now as I have told you where the issue lies. Rest will implies "cease from work", to stop a sequence of actions.

So, what you should do now is to commend such a skillful writer who used such beautiful literacy expressions to describe God over 4000 years ago. Such expression are still in existence today.

I have given you example earlier. Another example below.

When you say "the gods are asleep", you won't ask whether it's on bed or mat. You will know that it refers to either the gods did nothing in a situation or people weren't heard by such god. That is literature for you.

We can't loose our sense of literacy and grammar education when it comes to bible. Scriptures also are work of literature.

Yes the Bible is a literature, just like Shakespeare and all other fiction, storys and even fantasy, I can clearly remember dragon in it, Game of throne style.

Maximus69:
Jesus sent us to a specific kind of people NOT just anybody Sir!

We were sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel {Matthew 10:6,15:24} this means people who wants to learn about how they can get closer to God and what are God's plans to end evil!
But once you've sealed your heart that God doesn't exist, we need not waste our precious time with you, we use the door! Matthew 10:13-14
There are still over 8,000,000,000 People on this planet so why waste time with you?
You're not ready to learn, rather you're bitterly pushing forward your assertion that God doesn't exist, and whoever refuse to subscribe to your line of thought you insult, abuse even curse when you notice that the person isn't buying your idea!

Maximus Maximus, don't you know there are more people who don't believe in an inexistent God on nairaland than in real world, why not leave and go talk to them, you get.

Maximus69:
Chill my friend, nobody is worrying you whether you choose to believe in God or not!

Your aggression or vehement arguments won't stop people from believing in God!

So chill and live your life!

The Bible made it clear that God is all powerful but he will not act stupidly just because he has the power to do certain things, it cost him nothing to create you so it means nothing to him if you live or expire.
Who killed you, what caused your death, where you died, when and how is of no use to him unless you've lived worthily of his likeness, that's when he will keep account of you so as to remember you when he's prepared to restore sanity to the earth!

That's what the book says, but if you're not interested in his ways of handling matters, then go solve your problems your own way!

You called saving a 5 years old girl from rape is stupidity, you see why I say you lack empathy.

The Bible made it clear Jehovah is all power, but the Bible also made it clear that he's limited, you posted the scriptures your self.

We mean nothing, yet flood the earth, kill his self on the cross, all for trying to correct a single event, an all powerful failure.

hoopernikao:
You haven't own up to that first mistake of not reading that place properly. That is important. It will help our discussion. And may likely be the most important thing here.

Secondly, can you explain more what you mean by the above. Possibly give a text of scripture where you saw that as evidence to your question.

Read what place properly.

hoopernikao:
Secondly, when you read things like God rest, or God walked in the cool of the day and you have issues with that, asking why will someone called God do that. Don't you think it's because you didn't understand both grammatical construction and word implications in literature. I mean bible aside. Those are terms used in day to day expressions in literatures, cultural writings and history. Dont you think you aren't reading it well or carefully?

Check it yourself. Would you have had same issues if it's in another literature. For example reading or hearing things like. "The gods have visited us". You shouldn't have issues and start asking for his footpath or house address of his visit. Would you?

How do you explain God being scared of metal, is that literature too.

hoopernikao:
You haven't address what I asked you. Let's make this a communication nah. If you handle it this way, I won't see what you are trying to point out.

Let's respond based on points.

That's good.

hoopernikao:
Don't you think if over 30 authors spread across over 2000 years of living, that never most never met each other yet can write the exact thing you mentioned above, that is, it is all the options and the writer were deliberate on that. Don't you think such writers will qualify as some of the most intelligent being that ever lived. Think of it, looking carefully at your state above.

Like I told you Christianity is the combination of so many things, including Christmas that's not in the Bible.
That's why it's funny when you asked if I read the Bible, most Nigerians don't read, not to talk more of Bible, but tell them about them celebrating a pagan holiday...

All Jehovah have are statement, He can do this he can do that, but yet no feats. Even when he shows a feat it's not that impressive, stops the sun, caused a flood, crucify he's son, 2,000 years later, nothing changed, and that's because an all powerful God doesn't exist.

hoopernikao:
I actually don't know the answer you will give. I don't like assuming for people. That is why I asked you. So, I take you for your word.

So, my reason for asking is that, if you have read the bible well, do you think the view of the bible aligned with what you have been asking or said earlier?

That is two things I will like you to mention: firstly if you have read the bible well, secondly does what you read aligned with this view of yours above.

God doesn't have limit, that's the reason he is above us, when God begins to rest, then he is bounded by human concept, at this point he's no longer God.

The Bible is a walking contradiction, you want all powerful God, you have it, a limited God it is there. God knows the number of hair on our head, yet called out to Adam, where are you.

The Bible is like that so that it can never be wrong, it's like choosing all the options in an exams, if I say you fail, you'll point me to the right option, if I say it's wrong to chose all the option, you'll say it doesn't mater provided the right answer is there.

hoopernikao:
Okay, have you read the Bible before? I mean read it well?

You already know the answer I'll give, go straight to the fúcking point.

Maximus69:
As a father one needs to be open minded and show fellow feelings, as long as we're still managing this system there will be evildoers and there will be victims!
Both the evildoers and the victims need a change of heart, the former to stop his/her bad way and the victim to learn how to leave it behind and move on.
If you're bent on vengeance or punishment then many who wants to get away with the evil will surely find ways to escape which will certainly lead to more problems!

If anything, you just made it easy to escape, commit a crime and should Jehovah is God, I'll be spared, it doesn't even mater how many times I commit this crime, I'll always get a welcome back to get party over and over again.

You see the flaw in your system.

Maximus69:
Hmmmmmmmm depending on how you view things my friend, everyone helps but it's the aftereffect on those you help that matters!

What after effect, you think by being blunt proves your point.

simonjassy:
WTF,you just said....based on this your reply I won't want any lady to be your child...
This statement is bleeped up on

The guy likes empathy.

Maximus69:
Your PERSONAL opinion Sir!

Instead of you to state the benefit of your Jehovah you're shouting your opinion, is that how you get new converts.

Maximus69:
No! you were talking about the number of people who agree that the Bible God is real not those truly worshiping him!

But Jehovah and Yahweh are two different God, one with limit and the other so called Omnipotent.

So which one are you.

36 pages and I still can't see the benefit of Jehovah, not to mention he's not a God.

hoopernikao:
Can i fully understand your point on the above sir.

Of a being have a limit then that being is not God.

This was as a result of Jehovah not being able to save children that are starving, because limit.

Maximus69:
There are over 2,000,000,000 people claiming Christians Sir!

What do you say about that staggering figure!

Your point? there are about 2 Billion Muslim also, but just 8 million Jehovah Witness.

Funny guy, he's now calling himself Christian, no more JW, no more we're different from Christians because he needs the number.

Maximus69:
We both have our ways of rendering assistance to our neighbours!

So be of good share my friend!

Yeah, one actually helps, why the other doesn't.

Maximus69:
Never mind my friend, billions have studied the same book and have agreed to the existence of God!
After all you and your friends believe in the definition that's widely acceptable, naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa my friend, you can't leave this one out of it!

Christianity is not the only religion widely acceptable, your point.

Maximus69:
LIE!
You believe so many things because you studied fervently to know of it, but millions who don't know of it will never agree with you!

God does not have limit, if a limit exist, then he's not God, Adam where are you?

Maximus69:
Hi Five my guy, you try!

I'm going out to help people, you stay in your comfort zone, my God have mercy on you.

Maximus69:
Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

I catch you this time, because this one is our (you and i) opinion Sir!

Otherwise you won't be here debating on the reasonableness of your fellow human when you're sure ants are ORGANIZED!

The Na is on you, not me

Maximus69:
OK you mean people just love talking about what is not real and you're also part of the show?

If God exist everybody will know, simple.

Maximus69:
That's not the topic here Sir, however those LIKES and SHARES proves that some are getting the sense in the attributes and ways of God even though you choose not to to reason along!

The like and share won't exist if God exist, this whole thread wouldn't have been open.

Maximus69:
You compared unintelligent creatures to supposed intelligent beings yet the former is often well organized when the later are still finding it so difficult to cohabit.

However all came from the dust and they will return to dust, it's just pathetic that the ants (living on instinct) do organize themselves while humans can't!

Your opinion.

Maximus69:
Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

It means some LIKE such opinions Sir and are prepared to SHARE it.
So there is progress even though you want to blur your insight towards it!

How does this prove the existence of Jehovah the limited.

Maximus69:
Your PERSONAL opinion Sir!

how?

Maximus69:
They do Sir it depends on the species of ants, that's why i told you if humans are trained to think alike the way JWs do, there will be no crime anywhere on this planet Sir!

You've gone from being dust to being an ant, what next maggot.

The 35 pages is nothing compare to 140 years of failure.