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Maximus69:
There is FREEDOM of expression, speech and worship!

So the bolded remains your PERSONAL opinion!

Look around you, no effect of a God.

Maximus69:
Bullies have no self-control (restraint) but Jehovah does, so the so called limit is the result of his self-control!

Bro I don't want to call you a liar, so if you have any self respect, I recommend you use it.

We talked on Jehovah not helping those children because of limit.

Maximus: Because it's your PERSONAL opinion that he doesn't exist, to billions of those searching for him and millions of those worshiping him, the case is different!

Majority can be wrong, o can give example if you're that dumb.

Maximus69:
What's the punishment for both rape, killing and casual sex from your own Gods(rulers)?

Oga stop dodging the question because you don't have what to say, now you mentioned my God/ruler, trying to change the question expecting to start saying I don't believe on God, nobody rules me.

Next time think before you say something, Jehovah witness have no punishment, this will only give people room to commit crime, as they'll claim they repent, do it again repent.

Maximus69:


Casual sex is heavy offence.

But intentional killing has been erased from our dictionary, so there is nothing like murder in the world of JWs!

Clown, you've erase intentional killing, but have not erase casual sex, shows the incompetence of the religion.

What's the punishment for the causal sex.

Maximus69:
The book says it exists for a reason, even his people Israel experienced this so all you need to ask is
"WHY?"
Then calm down to learn, NOT setting standards for God and expecting everyone to join you!

No need to ask why, you yourself said it, he does have limit.

The Why now is, why will any one worship a limited inexistent Jehovah.

Maximus69:
What punishment do you have for a crime that doesn't exist?

This is what you said

Maximus69: The Organization punishes all offenders, but some offences
carries heavier punishment than others.

Where you sleeping when you said this.

Maximus69:
Even though it's the first time, there is always a punishment
but not according to human laws!

Just like your Bible you're a walking contradiction.

Maximus69:
You're trying to make FAITH sound like a delusion!

Of course you will continue to behave like a deluded individual.

I've told you and your cohorts several times without number:-
There is nothing like freethinking or atheism, you can't have rest of mind if you are working hard to make others come to terms over morals and standards when you exclude the one and only FORCE that could make your dreams come true "GOD"!

Is a 5 years old getting raped a dream come true, has Jehovah made this children dreams come true.

None of this will exist if God exist.

hoopernikao:
Is God your issue or what is written about him or both? State it clearly. We are discussing bible here. And I told you especially based on your person, that the bible is also an historical literature. Can I ask you. Is bible not a literature?

So why are you disturbed about that.

Now you mentioned Rest, and I corrected you, that you need to read it properly and not forget your skill in reading books when reading bible.

Grammar, figure, illustration etc won't change in bible, the interpretation can vary based on its inspiration but any thing written in man's language follows the rules of literature that is why you understand the words and sentences.

So, calm down on this.

Now, again I say, if you have any issue point them out clearly. Saying many things at a time isn't communication.

So if you want to address your issue, let me know the one you pick per time. God rest, I God afraid of metal, God asking questions, 5years old died or general killing. Which is exactly your issue here. That is what is important. And if it is all. Then take it one after the other. Or you have issues with us been organised ni.

You obviously lack the cognitive for this discussion, not surprise you believe in a talking snake.

hoopernikao:
Okay, I am not doubting you.

So, what is your main point, be specific so that I won't have a wrong perception of your thought.

The inexistence of a God, I believe that's simple to understand.

Maximus69:
If they're not Muslims nor do they belong to any group, that means your picture was taken from a make movie clip!

We are talking about how Jehovah is useless in helping those that can't help themselves, and those that humans can't help because of limit and conditions you yourself gave.

Now you mentioned those are not JW children, and I told you the child comes before the religion, I can keep going but the summary is that God doesn't exist, any one can die, be poor, be rich, irrespective of their religion.

hoopernikao:
You are mixing things up.

Like I told you don't always forget the beginning of friendship. What brings people together must be what hold them together.

In the beginning, you paraphrased a scripture, then I asked you if you have read same bible well. This is because I needed to point out to you where you need to correct and read better nexttime. That has been the discussion. And I told you, if you have issues with any scriptural text let me know, I can't shy away from such and will be as honest as possible. But what you have been doing is like a man who want to break bottle in a fight that doesn't even exist at all
You are saying too many things that doesn't align and following you will mean we are just wasting time without focus. I love being focus, it also help me to jot my own points and weakness systematically. And like I said earlier, I don't think there exist any organised entity that cherish discussion that doesnt have directon. It's only on social media such as Nairaland you can find such.

So, I I am not administering you but likely helping you to coordinate yourself and your discussion.

If you think, I'm all over the place, then you've been looking at this discussion the wrong way.

hoopernikao:
For you to see this, that means you have foresight of your wrong. You must be an intelligent person. So the next part is for you to take the correction of your wrong and reconfigure your concept of such going forward. That will be a full display of intelligence. I am glad you could see that ahead of time.

And on the way I took things. You should know that is the proper way of handling issues thoroughly if you truly know what you are doing. You can't be haphazard or be in a rush on issue that are important to you. It is when you have no knowledge or what you are saying that you have issues of being organised. So, don't be afraid of taking your thoughts one step after another, I mean no harm, it's for your good.

So can we focus now?

The concept of the point, the concept of the point, you want to forcefully shove down " it's literature " isn't working.

Please understand this example.

when a person kills the first time, says it's a mistake, second time, mistake, 4th, 5th, 6th , and still killing, at this point we can't say it's a mistake, get it.


God rested, literature, God not knowing Adam location literature, God not know the earth is a floating rock, literature, Created light before the sun, literature, (Bible)

God letting children starve, literature, God watching a 5 year old get raped literature (Real life)

Hope you get the general idea, you can't just single it out, let's say the 99th killing is a mistake, what about the 1 - 98 and 100 - infinity killing still.

Maximus69:
No murderers!

Can you now visualize a earth with only Jehovah's worshipers?

That's why Jehovah won't just kill or attack you for challenging him, that's what i call wisdom!

You said there's is punishment, what is the punishment.

Now listen careful, hoopernikao

I argue/converse based on the general concept of the point, the idea it self, get it, now say it with me "the concept of the point" get it.

Maximus69:
None of those kids in your pathetic picture belongs to JWs!

They don't belong to Muslim either, so your point is?

hoopernikao:
What is your focus Sir.
Take things calmly, it will help you. Sometimes what we call strength is just ordinary muscles. Calm down and speak the way you will be understood.

The very first thing I asked you, don't forget this as it is the basis of our discussion. I asked you "have you read the scriptures very well". This is a very important question as you can't be arguing what you haven't read. I didn't even ask if you understand it. I simply need to know at least if you have read it well.

Hence, in this discussion it will be good you always refer to where your accusations is coming from in the bible. That will let you present things properly. You don't enter a discussion room and start complaining without evidence.

So, I state things well. Also don't forget that I am taking tab on all I asked you that you haven't answered.

Why should I answer your question when you haven't answer mine, who decide what should be focused on you?

See oga I know what you're trying to do, you want to pick a single point and say " see you're wrong, which means you don't know what you're talking about"

hoopernikao:
You aren't focusing on discussion. I have asked you 5 different questions here without answers. The last one, you said I was brutal with you earlier, I asked you to show me the very post, you didn't. Hope you know that is a false accusations and shouldn't be known with you.

Secondly. your ability to focus and present your points with proper coordination will help our discussions. You are making me feel your issue is not with the bible but with God, a personal issue. But my own issue with you is that you are using scriptures by twisting it to show your disappointment in him. That won't be honest then.

See, if you are ready to be honest and prove truthfully that you have read the scriptures and have issue with it, lay it down here. Like I said it's mostly due to lack of proper reading and that can be address here.

But if your issue is personal beef with God then I may not be able to help. You will likely have to find him yourself and vex for him.

Why will you pick the point I rise and ignore the other, then proceed to select what we should discuss about are you the moderator.

When did we bring a point and say this it the point we'll address, wtf.

Maximus69:
You can't find one single intentional killer in our midst Sir!

The first thing we delete from your system before you become one of us is the spirit of hatred.

You said there's is punishment.

Maximus69:
NEVER AMONGST JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 2:4

I'm asking what's the punishment for murder simple, you said there's punishment.

Maximus69:
Murder comes in different ways,Intentional and unintentional!
Jehovah's Witnesses Organization have removed all the causes of hatred in our midst, so it's difficult to hear of intentional murder in our midst!
But in anyway when a person dies we believe such a person will be resurrected back to life when DEATH is no more, so the unintentional murderer is shown mercy!

And intentional murder?

DappaD:
Lol chief but na you incite am first

What are you, Maximus alternate moniker.

Rozz:
so you are an atheist hmmm

No I'm not, but I don't bother to explain this, as people like Maximus don't have sense, you tell him something he hears another thing.

Just see how focus he was on defending the wealth of JW, wealth that they'll leave behind when they die.

Maximus69:
Wow!

Please try to learn what wealth truly means my friend!

First of all, know today that their stinkingly rich individuals amongst JWs but because they don't blow trumpets about their assets you won't know! Matthew 6:2

For your information, all the publications, Bibles, even the construction of Kingdom Halls you're seeing here in Africa are funded by wealthy JWs in America and other countries.

Secondly you're comparing the wealthy that's based on the effort of people who depends on pay to the wealthy that's based on the faith of over 8,700,000 individuals from different places on this planet all working together as one big and happy family and are prepared to die for the course, my friend your intellect is just too low!

Finally Dangote is a Muslim and the group having the greatest number of beggars is Islam, so of what essence is Dangote's wealth when Muslims (his family in the same faith) are everywhere begging for food?

ATHEISM has finished as in killed your power of discernment my friend!

As usual you miss the point.

A child is first a child before religion, religion doesn't determine success, as you can find success people in all religion and out side religion.

One big happy family, so? your the only once on earth that is happy or what, selling JW as the shít again.

Rozz:
i am actually doing that and seeking more of God every blessed day

You should first ask what this God have to offer, and is this God, God or just statement, compare the statement with the reality around you.

Any body can serve a so called God, any body can fast, but can you fast better than the children starving? ask your self this.

Maximus69:
The Organization punishes all offenders, but some offences carries heavier punishment than others.
Even though it's the first time, there is always a punishment but not according to human laws!

What is the punishment for a murderer.

Rozz:
you people are too strict sha,you people will pursue my type from your midst lol

Compare to Islam and Christianity's glorious hell, not at all.

Rozz:
Im only for the truth and I now see things beyond what we were thought while growing up in the church.Curiosity has gotten the better part of me these days maybe because I've not been to church in a longtime now.Knowing God truly is spiritual,im still struggling sef

Maybe it's time for you to take responsibility of your life.

TATIME:
Why not tell GRIMMJOE how many have concluded that you've been having secret affairs with Rozz all because they noticed how she's been getting along with us?
Even one commentator specifically mentioned that Rozz purposely removed her pictures due to your discussion with her!
Each member of our organization had difficult aspects in our beliefs to agree with but at the end faithful people will allow FAITH lead not the part majority follows! 2Cor 5:7

He's an hypocrite, lacks a hold of reality, he will claim no JW child can starve but forgets JW also die in car crash like animals, JW are special my àss.

Maximus69:
GRIMMJOE GRIMMJOE, you should know better.
Rozz became inquisitive ever since she notice our discussion on Nairaland. Though we love discussing with people of all sorts but once we discover you're not the type we're searching for, we leave you immediately for you to continue with your beliefs/ideas.
Nairaland is just a means of getting to meet some people on faceless social media NOT personally as in face to face, we are not trained to preach or teach people without having eye contact with them, because even after the person has gotten all what teach and is prepared to become one of us, he must be recognized as a member anywhere he lives (unless if there is restrictions in his country on JWs) yet JWs in that area must know him/her as one of us.
So there is no hiding behind the name CHRISTIANS or BORN AGAIN, if everyone in your neighbourhood can't recognise you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses, JWs must know you as one of us.
That's the more reason why i confidently told you the other time that the pictures of those famished kids is enough to tell that none of them is a JW!
We preach and teach Sir but not facelessly, it's you that's asking funny questions so to make your day i give you funny response, but when you're ready to learn then we'll talk and if you're not then we'll continue with our jokes, there is no Wahala!

As usual, you lack empathy, just because it's not Jehovah Witness children starving you don't give a fuçk, but forgets those are not Muslim kids either.

Now change you perspective of life, a child is first a child before he is in any religion.

You feel JW are the most successful people because of your God, forgets that all the wealth of 8million JW member can't even smell Dangote shoe.

hoopernikao:
Brutal? I will like you to point me to the very post that show such. I dont think that refer to any of my response to you.

What I have consistently show you is that you should take carefulness and properness to read and understand what you query or what you want to speak against. Most times I see so much ignorance displayed in the open here on Nairaland especially from those who know nothing about the scriptures or have anything to do with it. The reason I first asked you if you have read the scriptures well. Because just by simply reading this literature book, there are questions that shouldn't be asked at all if the person read well read carefully and also intelligently.

So, it is wisdom to study well and know your points so as not to appear lost in the middle of engagement.

So, is it clear now that when you read "God rest", it is a wrong reading and wrong point to say God is limited because you think it's talking about something of resting after doing heavy exercise.

At least we should be clear on that first. The Rest is to Cease from work. Your accepting this will allow you to see and read other places carefully and very well afterwards.

God this, God that, you think what's in your Bible God, you feel literate yet don't know what's God is.

hoopernikao:
You still haven't gotten it. I am not discussing people, or other persons with you. I am discusing what is written, the bible. I am focusing on the literacy of the text because for now that is what you will accept as no one will doubt a text you are seeing and reading and say it wasn't written.

I am not looking at bible interpretation based on its revelation but simply as an historical literature.

So, what I mean is that you flawed when you read "rest" and you see it as weakness. I am sure you agree with me that we won't do such in other literature else we will be seen as not literate in that field.

Therefore when you examine the text of the bible, ensure you read it properly to understand it's usage of words. Take what is direct and literal as literal, take what you are figure a figure. Take grammatical construction in its context not outside. This is how professionals read and am sure you understand that.

Is Jehovah failing literature too, a snake destroying his garden literature.

Stop trying to make it look like a grammatical misunderstanding, it's the entire concept behind an all powerful Jehovah failing, and since he failed we can now see him resting as not a big deal.

An all knowing Jehovah regretting his decision and setting up rainbow literature.

The Bible was written by ancient men with little knowledge about this world, that why they say the earth rest on 4 pillars, is rest here literature? stop downplaying your fictional God Incompetence.

[quote author=hoopernikao post=90712963][/quote]You saying God rested is literature is perspective, some people consider beheading a Art, a master piece, 72 virgins and enjoyments, these are all perspective, no two perspective is greater than the other as they all will claim right.

And this lead us to the next point consistent contradiction, if it happens the first time you say it's literature, but when it happens to the extent a so called powerful God is clueless then that God is inexistent .