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Christianity Etc › Re: Apostle Suleman & Wife, Lizzy Loved Up Like Never Before In New Photos by hardballripplez: 4:54pm On Mar 27, 2017

Olu317:
Prayer beads are used to mark the repetitions of prayers, chants or devotions.

In Roman Catholicism they are used to pray through the rosary to the Virgin Mary.

In Islam the beads are traditionally used to keep count while saying the prayer known as the “Tasbih of Fatimah”, which was a form of prayer offered as a gift by Muhammad to his daughter.

Catholics honour water in many ways i.e baptism and general blessings

while Muslims can hardly go to a toilet, Fart, pray etc without water.

Catholic nuns use head scarves closer to Muslims women.

Catholics fast during Easter as Muslims fast during Ramadan.Bisimilahi Rahaman rahim is not far in meaning to;In the name of the father,the son and the holly spirit. During prayes the monotony of standing and kneeling is evident in Catholic as well as in Islam.The burning of escennce is in catholic and Islam.The scalp worn by bishops is worn by most Muslims.

Muslims believe in forceful conversion and fight of holy war

Historians estimate that during the Dark Ages and the Inquisition, the Roman Catholic Church killed over 50 million people whom they deemed as heretics, most of which were Christians who dared to own a Bible (which the Church forbid) or proclaimed the Gospel of Christ.

Jihad have killed over 270 million people in the history of mankind.

Can you see the similarity..

In the name of God and blessings and salutations on the Noblest and Best of mankind, Muhammad(Peace Ne Upon Him)

As rebuttal
in Islam we are taught to always speak the truth no matter what.
Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 4 Surah Nisaa verse 135:
135 O ye who believe! Stand out firmly for justice (and Truth) as witnesses to Allah even as against yourselves or your parents or your kin and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts) lest ye swerve and if ye distort (justice and truth) or decline to do justice; verily Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do.

from all what I have said about Christianity, I brought forth my evidence. I don't think Christianity places any premium on speaking the truth.
You and I both know that there is not an iota of truth in all what you listed. Not one.
Prayer beads are not symbols of Islam. I do not use them. those who use them use it to chant the praises of God. they do not use it to pray to a mortal like Maryam(Peace be upon her) as you Christians do. we do not pray to a mortal. hope you see the difference here. Muslims pray to Allah, Christians pray to Mary. Prayer beads are used for entirely two different purposes as you can see. Allah created Mary which you guys pray to with the prayer beads.
I challenge you to bring forth your evidence. Your christian brothers are reading the posts and this is an open challenge that you should bring forth the evidence that the Prophet Used the prayer beads. What is Tasbih of Fatimah? Tasbih does not mean beads. Tasbih is when you say Praise be to God. The prophet gave Fatimah the prayers(sayings) of God is great, praise be to God and there is no god but Allah. The prophet never gave her beads and the prophet never used it . I await your evidence on this issue. Tasbih is what u say. the bead itself is called masbaha.
The muslims are clean . Allah loves cleanliness and we wash before going into prayer. Abraham did the same. Jesus washed also. After using the toilet we clean with water. so what is wrong with water? we do not worship water. even we bath with water if you don't. Christianity is where the worship of water takes place in the name of baptism and likewise saying one water is pure and one isn't.

Christians draw the picture of Mary. have you ever seen her uncover? Muslim women are precious jewels. what do you do with your gold and diamond? you cover it ofcourse. You find christian girls in BBA. have you ever found a muslim there? Corinthians 11 specifically states that women should cover their hair. they should use the veil. You guys don't even follow the teachings of Paul(Bible) anymore. Angels descended from heaven and had sex with women who didnt cover according to Genesis6, 1-2. why do you have problems with using the veil when it is recorded in the teachings of paul(Bible)
According to jeremiah 36 verse 9. Bible commanded that people should fast in the 9th month. Jesus fasted, other prophets were commanded to fast, why do you have a problem with that? we kneel, prostrate during prayer. It is recorded in Nehemiah that, that is the correct way to pray.
Another lie, bring me an evidence to support the burning of essence. just one.
Crusades is the forceful conversion of people. Jesus also said according to mathew and luke 19:21 that christians must kill those who do not belive.
In the jihad( batle of badr) look it up on google please. 14 people from the Muslims were killed and 70 from the enemy died. where did you get the bogus 270million? crusades alone killed more than 270million. The present crusades undertaken by the Americans in the middle east has also killed millions.
jesus asked for blood in luke 19:21. Christianity has a gory past.
I don't see why u need to lie for cheap publicity. if you don't know about Islam ask.

Christianity Etc › Re: Apostle Suleman & Wife, Lizzy Loved Up Like Never Before In New Photos by hardballripplez: 3:19pm On Mar 27, 2017

Olu317:
Jesus loved his life and lay it down to pick up and he did. Isn't this an account too? Were you there? was is not what you read you interpreted.
“Truly, I say to you, one of you will betray me” (Matthew 26: 21). In the Gospel of Matthew, when his apostles ask who it is, Jesus replies: “He who has dipped his hand in the dish with me, will betray me” (v. 23). When the apostles take turns asking who, Judas asks, “Is it I, Master?” Jesus answers, “You have said so” (v. 25).
This was what happened at a place before Jesus was openly arrested. Even when he was arrested, he told that it was because his time was up for him to be killed.
How can someone who knew his death and who wasn't a human being in the first place be afraid? Those things were done to fulfill the scripture written to such effect and not for anyone to see as if it was easy to die on a tree. Have you not read, “woe to he who was hung on a tree "
Lastly, Judas the writer is different from Judas Iscariot. So, don't mix it up.

Yes judas the writer may be different from judas Iscariot. There are chapters of the bible without known authors also.

Talking about Jesus not being afraid. You said he's not human but he calls himself human on numerous occasions. Since Jesus wasn't afraid. What do you say of mathew 26 v39? Jesus prayed vehemently to the father that death should pass him
Luke 22:42-44 “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.” An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him. And being in anguish, he prayed more earnestly, and his sweat was like drops of blood falling to the ground. From the account of luke, you will see that Jesus's prayer was answered as an angel appeared . This would mean that if his prayers was answered that he didn't die and wasn't the one who was crucified. Hope you get it now? Jesus was praying to God to let the death pass him. Jesus wanted his prayers to be answered that was Why he prayed. Or what is the use of prayer? Secondly, Jesus understood that it was only the father who could save him from death.jesus didn't pray onc3, he prayed often about not wanting to die. Why doesn't he want to die? The bible even recorded that while praying he was sweating. He was afraid . There is no gain if we try to twist the words of the bible. The bible clearly explained that he was scared. He's a mortal like you and I.

Christianity Etc › Re: Apostle Suleman & Wife, Lizzy Loved Up Like Never Before In New Photos by hardballripplez: 2:48pm On Mar 27, 2017

Olu317:
You are drawing me backward. But not to worry, I will inform you. The Catholic doctrine adopt Mary as mother of Jesus the same way the Muslims believe that through one's mother, one can gain eternity or loose it. The manner in which Catholics portrayed Mary isn't what the Bible taught us. So, I maintain my stand that am not surprised at which the style of Catholics is similar to Islam. Is December 25th the birth of Jesus Christ? Of course not, Catholics have a lot f inconsistency though it doesn't take away the fact that every flaws can be corrected . Catholics don't follow the true method to access God which is JESUS but through “mother of Jesus". I was born into Catholics but it didn't truly checkmate spiritism in Yoruba land. It is only Pentecostal that can withstand spiritism in Yoruba land. Perhaps, that was the reason the protestants pulled out when discoveries of so many inconsistency in Rome. The Hebrew scroll exist for all to see. And I have never seen the name of Mary who is called mother of God to heal the sick, raise the dead or resurrects herself. God doesn't have anything to do with Mary apart from using her to bring forth JESUS CHRIST to EARTH. And it ends there.
On the singing, you still erred again, the foolish Jews were so blind that they forgot that God is not of the past but forever. In Heaven, they praise the name of God, shouting every time to praise him. Lucifer was his band Leader before he was chased out of HEAVENS OF HEAVENS. Read the Bible you will see where God was praised. Have you seen the account when Moses parted the sea? Do you think they stood like robot? What about the account of David dancing almost half naked praising almighty God? You don't know the power of Jesus Christ.. You just kept underestimating the power of PRAISE... IT WORK AND MOVES GOD.

I would like to correct your mistake. There is nothing similar about Catholism and Islam. On the issue of mothers, we do not worship out mothers in Islam. You are right that Islam preaches that one could attain either the grace or wrath of God depending on how one treats one's mother. In Islam we are instructed never to sigh or say a word of harshness to our parents. No matter how holy or godly you , if you don't treat you mother right in Islam then you are in trouble before God and such a person may not enter paradise. paradise in Islam is at the feet of mothers ( not literally). The Catholics took mary as a God. They have the largest population of Christians . A Catholic can never worship with a protestant. Just the same way a C&S can never worship with a Jehovah's witness. So there is nothing similar between us. In Islam we are instructed to treat mothers right.
Prayer is different from entertainment. In Islam Allah instructed us on how to worship. By putting the face to the ground . And today you will find that the cele and c&s and some others aside singing and dancing still do this. Is there any laid down rule or path to follow in the bible? We are not talking about the people of mosses nor David. We are talking about Jesus.how did Jesus pray? How did he teach the disciples to pray? What prayer pattern does Jesus want you to follow while praying? Did Jesus dance? Did he simg ?ofcourse no. You say you follow jesus not david. You should also pray the same way Jesus prayed , which was by putting his face to the ground. If you read the book of Nehemiah you will see the striking semblance between what was demonstrated in that book and how Muslims pray. It is 80peecent similar if not more. Are the Catholics and Jehovah's witnesses going to hell? And secondly, you and I know that Jesus didn't approve of anything Christianity and he didn't approve of its doctrines. Christianity only came later on. The bible was compiled later on. Hundreds of years after Jesus left. Some bible chapters till today have unknown authors. It is not logical to base one's faith on heresy or on a religion that one finds doubtful in both the doctrinal teachings and historical claims. I asked earlier, do you believe that the tower of Babel was actually going to reach God as the bible claimed?

Christianity Etc › Re: Apostle Suleman & Wife, Lizzy Loved Up Like Never Before In New Photos by hardballripplez: 2:26pm On Mar 27, 2017

Olu317:
If the Quran has account of the Jews, describe the complexion and characters of the Jews according to the Quran?
On the account of the tower of Babel, I believe, there was languages disruption because the whole world have over five thousands language. In fact some language have gone into extinction. Even Arabic was developed out of Aramaic. So, languages collapsed at the Babel of tower doesn't mean it happened in one day.

Quran is not a story book that talks about complexions. If you had read a copy of th3 Quran you would have noticed. Let me rephrase the question. The tower of Babel. God caused a change in the language of the people because they would get to him. Yes or no? Secondly, what language was been spoken b3fore the disruption? The Quran already told us why we speak differently . It says that God made it so
And the Quran knows that it is illogical for a tower or a spaceship to get to God. The Quran mentioned about space travel. Kindly answer these questions that I raised. Thanks

Christianity Etc › Re: Apostle Suleman & Wife, Lizzy Loved Up Like Never Before In New Photos by hardballripplez: 2:21pm On Mar 27, 2017

ElsonMorali:
Sorry, but your argument isn't gonna fly.

This wasn't the first time Jesus was being sought after.

There was a time they wanted to seize him and throw him off a cliff, he escaped.

There was also a time they wanted to seize him and make him king forcefully, he escaped still.
I'm sure there might be other incidences like that which weren't recorded in the Bible.

So did they need an insider to get him, so he won't escape again? it sounds plausible. There's a tradition that says that Judas betrayed him because he thought his master could not be captured anyway, (after all he's escaped before) and he'll have made his money.

This might explain his remorse later and his attempt to return the money.

Besides, he was arrested in the dark and to his credit, there was no difference in the way he carried himself with the way his disciples carried themselves. He was a man, and dressed like his disciples.

There was no master/servant relationship. In fact remember that earlier that same evening after the supper, he'd washed his disciples' feet, to teach them humility and that to be master you had to be a servant.

So Yes,they could have mistaken him for any of his disciples and they needed Judas to point him out.

Lol. This is so funny. They needed an insider to get him. And if I may ask , how did this insider get him?
The guy only kissed him so they'll know that it was Jesus. He didn't tie him down so they'll catch him. He only signified to them coz with all his popularity and with the face to face argument they had with him according to the bible, they still didn't know him.

If you read the gospel of judas you will understand better that what u are made to believe is not the real account .
If I may ask you. Who is judas to You? A godly or evil man? This was the guy who made th3 crucifixion possible. If not for him Jesus wouldn't have died for your sins, or don't you think so? Jesus emphatically stated that he didnt want to die coz he was scared. Although we have brave men these days and many im the days of yore who wouldn't mind dying for their people. Some of them even gave up their lives for their people . Jesus wasn't that kind if person . He loved his life . So tell me who judas is to you. And can you answer my questions about why you guys only believe in some part of the bible and not in others? . And also you didn't answer my question about the tower.

Christianity Etc › Re: Apostle Suleman & Wife, Lizzy Loved Up Like Never Before In New Photos by hardballripplez: 12:44pm On Mar 27, 2017

Olu317:
You brought out your alleged inconsistency and I informed you on the relevant aspect of the Bible. The Bible doesn't have different variations but opinion made some writers to deviate because of the same questions you have been asking. If Jesus was a man, God or prophet? But you took no interest in reading it because your heart is hardened. I don't have any problem with such personality at all. This is because Jesus is only one who knows who is willing to obey him. JESUS CHRIST IS ALMIGHTY GOD. I am tempted to believe that what you seek is in what I have typed. On the Quran, it doesn't have many parts concerning Israelites, Jesus even deep history of Solomon, David, Moses doesn't have the kind of account recorded in the Bible. So, it is self explanatory. Lastly, the writers who just came up with some different opinion did it at their own peril.

The Quran has the correct account of Jesus and the jews.

Would you mind telling me why the Catholic bible is not the same as the protestant bible?. Hope you know the bible u use (maybe kjv) is very different from what the Catholics use? Secondly where did you get the idea of singing and dancing to worship God? Remem3br how Jesus prayed? With his head to the ground .

Thirdly, do you believe the story in the bible that people were building tall towers to reach God? then God decided to change our language coz of that.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Apostle Suleman & Wife, Lizzy Loved Up Like Never Before In New Photos by hardballripplez: 12:40pm On Mar 27, 2017

Olu317:
I saw a clip where Jesus look was been tried to be matched with a guess personality picture. No known photo of Jesus exist. Though it might look really odd but the ancient Israelites were not WHITE BUT dark brown /pale yellow people. How do I know this? Egyptians were dark and some were dark brown people as well.. The reason people chose what they believe was the same thing that happened when Jesus was confronted. There are four categories of people as it concerns Jesus Christ and Bible ; the on lookers, the believers, the Sadducees and Pharisees. These categories specifically identify each person on the planet earth. Does this answer your question?

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This doesn't answer my question. My point was that Jesus was a well known figure. He was widely known to the people and the Pharisee. Just take the example of the woman from Samaria who cried after him . The poor knew him as well as the teachers in the synagogue. He doesn't need to be identified by any of his disciples. Ofcourse they knew where he was if they wanted to get him , and there are bible verses to back this up if you'll be interested . I am not asking if he was dark skinned or not. Was he known to the people ? Yes or no? I am specifically taking about the Israelites of then , not the people of now

You still didn't tell me if you believed the tower story or not

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Christianity Etc › Re: Apostle Suleman & Wife, Lizzy Loved Up Like Never Before In New Photos by hardballripplez: 11:28am On Mar 27, 2017

Olu317:
The same thing you were looking for was the same these people looked to see. Do you know what it was? THE SIGNS TO PROOF THAT JESUS WAS ALMIGHTY GOD. The toil night and day just for them to be told by Jesus Christ that, he was the MESSIAH but he didn't. And when he did all the things that had not been done on Earth in Israel, the almighty God who can't share his glory with nobody even his most trusted Lucifer who betrayed him and disobey him didn't get a second chance. This same Jesus Christ broke all the rules of mosaic law. He said love God first with all your life and everything in you must be dedicated to God. He said love your neighbor as yourself and no more an eye for an eye. He said, one man and one woman as husband and wife. He healed the sick on Sabbath day, he opened the eyes of blind, he woke up the dead after four days the dead body had being buried in the grave. He mentioned there no marriage in heaven but all faithfuls are sons of God. HE said ISRAELITES ARE gods (children of almighty God) He said I AM RESURRECTION AND LIFE. AND THE MOST SHOCKING REVELATION WAS WHEN HE SAID before Abraham was, “I AM". Jesus Christ self revelation was enough to make them see who he was. But they were looking for a giant as God,who sit in heaven and thundered with his voice for the whole Earth to tremble. Yet the account of Bible mentioned God visiting Adam, Moses mentioned,God showed him his hands and back in his glory. CAN YOU CALL SUCH ANGEL? CAN YOU CALL SUCH A MAN? The way of knowing Jesus Christ isn't by force but by contrite spirit, having forgiving heart , caring , humility etc before Jesus Christ dine with such person. All other account that men made were for pride. Period. Read the personal quoted account of Jesus Christ. You will be amazed

Of what relevance is this? How does this answer the questions I raised ?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Apostle Suleman & Wife, Lizzy Loved Up Like Never Before In New Photos by hardballripplez: 11:21am On Mar 27, 2017

Olu317:
Did Jesus Christ really had Facial features? I want you to describe the features on Jesus Christ's face. Have read the passage in the Bible on Jesus view before Jesus Christ was betrayed by Judas and his proclamation on such personality? Jesus Christ pointed out in the Bible that , it would had been better for such person not to be born. Judas did what he did because he became over possessed by the spirit of the devil. And it was ordained that his blood was the only redemption blood.

I don't know what he looks like. Fed 5000 people. Taught in the synagogue. Engaged the Pharisee in arguments and yet they still didn't know what he looked like and needed someone to point it out to them? What could be more logical than this . Just the same way we Nigerians don't recognize the important people in our society when we see them .

You didn't answer my question .t why is it impossible for Christians to believe in the totality of the bible. Why selective beliefs? And also. Do you believe the story of those who built the tower? I remember I was taught this story in primary school

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Christianity Etc › Re: Apostle Suleman & Wife, Lizzy Loved Up Like Never Before In New Photos by hardballripplez: 10:40am On Mar 27, 2017

Olu317:
Even the JEHOVAH WITNESS GROUP DISAGREE WITH CERTAIN PART OF THE BIBLE. DOES IT CHANGE ANYTHING? OF COURSE NOT. IF ISLAM IS ALLOWED TO BE DEMOCRATIC IN IDEOLOGY, HOW MANY VERSION DO YOU THINK WOULD HAVE EXISTED? LIKE I HAD EARLIER MENTIONED, YOU ARE LOOKING FOR FLAWS AND THE ORIGINAL HEBREW VERSION STILL EXIST. WHY TROUBLE YOURSELF WITH LATIN VERSION? THE CATHOLIC MEMBERS HAVEN'T TOLD YOU THEY AREN'T FOLLOWERS OF JESUS CHRIST, HAVE THEY? PERIOD...

This is my point . There is great confusion in the polity. And in the bible it is stated that God is not the author of confusion. If there can't be an agreement on the person of Jesus. Is he a man or a God or a prophet ? Everyv christian has his own definition of who Jesus is. And if there are great confusions in what parts of God's word to believe and what part to disbelieve in, then this shows that this religion is not from God. There's only one version of the Quran everywhere u go. It has nothing to do with democracy. If a Muslim should say he disbelieves in certain portion of the Quran then he's not a Muslim anymore. Coz you can't call God a liar and still say you believe. Why shouldn't every Christian believe in all sections of the bible ? Does that mean that there are certain portions that don't sound logical and if I may ask. Who inspired these portions. Was it God?.

Another question I have for you has to do with the tower that was being constructed to reach God. When God changed our language according to the bible . Do you believe in this story? Or do you think it was cooked up. The Quran emphatically stated 1400 years ago that people will do space travel

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Christianity Etc › Re: Apostle Suleman & Wife, Lizzy Loved Up Like Never Before In New Photos by hardballripplez: 10:26am On Mar 27, 2017

Olu317:
The man who gave Jesus Christ up was Judas. If like the truth, believe it and if you seek something else,you will find lies behind it. Whatever people claim from any quarter, I don't see it as having effect on the relationship between Jesus and his followers at heart and not people who believe in killing the weak and the oppressed. The mention of seven book of Moses, isn't new because it involves the old way of connecting to God. With all form of sacrifices involved. Nevertheless, it still doesn't change anything. If you seek power, you can get one. But mind you, the book is dangerous because it is either the person use it to kill himself or herself or someone else while such person will be tormented spiritually. Unclean hands and heart that use that book end up being destroyed by the power in the Book. I don't like truly like people taking my advice because such won't know the value of the advice. So, if anyone truly want to get the book. Let him or her go get it. Period

And how would you describe judas? Isn't he a savior also? If he didn't betray jesus how would Jesus have been crucified? Although Jesus was very popular then and didn't actually need anyone to turn him. They knew his facial features, yes.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Apostle Suleman & Wife, Lizzy Loved Up Like Never Before In New Photos by hardballripplez: 10:23am On Mar 27, 2017

Olu317:
The man who gave Jesus Christ up was Judas. If like the truth, believe it and if you seek something else,you will find lies behind it. Whatever people claim from any quarter, I don't see it as having effect on the relationship between Jesus and his followers at heart and not people who believe in killing the weak and the oppressed. The mention of seven book of Moses, isn't new because it involves the old way of connecting to God. With all form of sacrifices involved. Nevertheless, it still doesn't change anything. If you seek power, you can get one. But mind you, the book is dangerous because it is either the person use it to kill himself or herself or someone else while such person will be tormented spiritually. Unclean hands and heart that use that book end up being destroyed by the power in the Book. I don't like truly like people taking my advice because such won't know the value of the advice. So, if anyone truly want to get the book. Let him or her go get it. Period

According to the gospel of judas, Jesus asked judas to betray him ب
Kasser, who is regarded as one of the world's preeminent Coptic scholars, led the effort to piece together and translate the Gospel of Judas. The National Geographic Society and the Waitt Institute for Historical Discovery funded the project, and it was profiled in the May 2006 issue of National Geographic magazine. Check it out

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Christianity Etc › Re: Apostle Suleman & Wife, Lizzy Loved Up Like Never Before In New Photos by hardballripplez: 10:19am On Mar 27, 2017

Olu317:
The man who gave Jesus Christ up was Judas. If like the truth, believe it and if you seek something else,you will find lies behind it. Whatever people claim from any quarter, I don't see it as having effect on the relationship between Jesus and his followers at heart and not people who believe in killing the weak and the oppressed. The mention of seven book of Moses, isn't new because it involves the old way of connecting to God. With all form of sacrifices involved. Nevertheless, it still doesn't change anything. If you seek power, you can get one. But mind you, the book is dangerous because it is either the person use it to kill himself or herself or someone else while such person will be tormented spiritually. Unclean hands and heart that use that book end up being destroyed by the power in the Book. I don't like truly like people taking my advice because such won't know the value of the advice. So, if anyone truly want to get the book. Let him or her go get it. Period

I am talking about the Catholic bible. Why is it different from the protestant bible . An mind you, there are more Catholics than protestants in the world.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Apostle Suleman & Wife, Lizzy Loved Up Like Never Before In New Photos by hardballripplez: 9:22am On Mar 27, 2017

Olu317:
I am very sure you know that even if you narrate a story five minutes or less ago. On your second account of the same narration of the same story will never be 100% accurate. So, stop all these unnecessary stress on things even you can do.
Alfas,Imams,Sheiks,Pastors,Reverends,Priests,Prophets etc will quote the Quran or the Bible and explain it accordingly. Even after explanation non of these clergy men can repeat whatever he had said, word for word. This is the bitter truth. Lastly, Jesus Christ didn't reveal himself to the entire country when he came but to his messengers and during his teachings as well as miraculous period he engaged himself in doing. If Jesus Christ had called his disciples and told them, he was the Hidden God of Abraham, who among them would have believed? Non. If Adam that God visit in his glory didn't obey God, how will be possible for the descendants of Adam lineage believe? Jesus Christ is not magician because he knows the heart of every individual and will always gradually reveal himself so that such individual's heart will be fearless and believe in HIM. There are so many things you will not understand about the Bible and specifically Jesus Christ and the New Testament if you read it as normal book or account of the LEVANT .Lastly, Paul existed for a purpose and he fulfilled his purpose without using the SWORD but the WORD of JESUS CHRIST. Irrespective of your criticism, the Holy Bible remain as the TORMENTOR to the HATERS and UNBELIEVERS because of the question of WHO OWNS THE WHOLE PLANETS? And in the Bible you will find the ETERNAL TRUTH TO REAL SALVATION.

What you fail to realise is that we are not talking about just any book here. Ofcourse as humans we err and forget, and make mistakes when we give accounts. We are talking about the book of God. Not a book sanctioned by a mere mortal . And come to think of it, there are variations to who gave Jesus up. Some account said it was judas and other accounts say no it wasn't him. If I may ask you, will you term this mere variations?
Likewise there are different accounts as to when Jesus was actually crucified. Let's take one moment to be objective . If I asked you why the Catholic bible has extra 7 books and why the protestant bibles don't believe in those books. What answer would you give me? Would it be that the Catholics have another different God who gave them totally different books? It is very much different in Islam that we follow the same book, it doesn't have variations and likewise, there is nothing like different accounts for the same story.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Apostle Suleman & Wife, Lizzy Loved Up Like Never Before In New Photos by hardballripplez: 5:25am On Mar 27, 2017

Olu317:
You seems to like history but you have little knowledge of it. Variation is certainly true when it comes to transfer of oral history. This is borne out of pride or lost in due long period of time due to unwritten record. Even you as a person, if someone narrate a story to you,the manner of your interpretation will be different from the narrator. So, live with it.... The power of resurrection of JESUS CHRIST IS WHAT MATTER AND HIS DOCTRINE OF LOVING GOD AND LOVING MANKIND AS ONESELF. IF YOU ARE NOT FROM THE NORTHERN PART OF NIGERIA, COUNT YOURSELF LUCKY BECAUSE IT IS ONLY THOSE WHO ARE RELATED TO THE ISLAMIC SCRIBES THAT HAVE BOTH WESTERN AND ARABIC/QURANIC KNOWLEDGE. THIS IS ALSO THE SAME IN THE ARAB WORLD. WHY DOES THIS HAPPEN? IT IS BECAUSE TO MAINTAIN SUPERIORITY OVER NON KINGLY OR NOBLE FAMILIES FROM GETTING CLOSE TO SEEING THE TRUTH. THE REALITY IS THAT CHOICE IS WHAT GOD WANT AND NOT ROBOTIC FOLLOWERS WHO WILL LOVE HIM WITH THEIR LIPS BUT DO OTHER THINGS IN THEIR HEARTS AGAINST OTHER HUMAN BEINGS

Variation?
What do you call this : when he said the people with him heard the voice of Jesus and sae the light .But in another place , he said no one heard the voice except him . Is this a kind if variation ? How cone jesus never taljed about him. Ofcourse it's easy for Jesus to say. Ok Paul will come and will establish Christianity. Why not anything about him . ?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Apostle Suleman & Wife, Lizzy Loved Up Like Never Before In New Photos by hardballripplez: 5:08am On Mar 27, 2017

Olu317:
You don't need to prove anything about your location . All about whining... However, the Hutu and Tutsi war were all for POLITICAL CONTROL OF THE GOVERNMENT and has nothing to do with JESUS CHRIST. ANYONE CAN USE THE NAME OF GOD OR CHRIST NAME TO COMMIT CRIME,STILL DOESN'T MAKE THEM DOING THE WILL OF GOD. I hope you get the thrift.

But I am sure those pastors quoted some bible verses to encourage those killings. If not, the people might be reluctant to call themselves the army of Jesus.

Christianity Etc › Re: Apostle Suleman & Wife, Lizzy Loved Up Like Never Before In New Photos by hardballripplez: 6:46pm On Mar 26, 2017

Olu317:
It is obvious you live in Naija....

Christianity Etc › Re: Apostle Suleman & Wife, Lizzy Loved Up Like Never Before In New Photos by hardballripplez: 6:45pm On Mar 26, 2017

Olu317:
It is obvious you live in Naija....

How ? Currently i am not. You could add me on instagram

Christianity Etc › Re: Apostle Suleman & Wife, Lizzy Loved Up Like Never Before In New Photos by hardballripplez: 6:33pm On Mar 26, 2017

Olu317:
Army of Christ indeed! Google and show a convicted or any one who said the fight was for Jesus Christ. Despite the fact that he came in less than 2500 AD, when so many people had been practicing different religion and all manner of fake gods yet this Jesus Christ is the most read about in the history of mankind. Even in China, they persecute Christians yet many still held on to their Jesus. What about Arab countries/Mid East , where they won't allow Christianity to thrive, what happened when ISIS came? Kurdistan Christians with the help of American Christian government helped subdued ISIS this far and other organizations who sees the rest as Kafir. Embrace the truth my dear. The man God Jesus Christ is the greatest gift of all times. Jesus Christ doesn't force or compel you to love him because it is a matter of choice. The ball is place in your court, do justice to the direction you desire it.

Christianity Etc › Re: Apostle Suleman & Wife, Lizzy Loved Up Like Never Before In New Photos by hardballripplez: 6:31pm On Mar 26, 2017

Olu317:
Army of Christ indeed! Google and show a convicted or any one who said the fight was for Jesus Christ. Despite the fact that he came in less than 2500 AD, when so many people had been practicing different religion and all manner of fake gods yet this Jesus Christ is the most read about in the history of mankind. Even in China, they persecute Christians yet many still held on to their Jesus. What about Arab countries/Mid East , where they won't allow Christianity to thrive, what happened when ISIS came? Kurdistan Christians with the help of American Christian government helped subdued ISIS this far and other organizations who sees the rest as Kafir. Embrace the truth my dear. The man God Jesus Christ is the greatest gift of all times. Jesus Christ doesn't force or compel you to love him because it is a matter of choice. The ball is place in your court, do justice to the direction you desire it.

It is all over the news that the US helped create Isiss. It all started in Afghanistan when the Americans fought soviet Russia by proxy. I will upload the screenshot and you'll see how many people died in that Genocide. you will be able to read where it is written, 'The army of christ"

Christianity Etc › Re: Apostle Suleman & Wife, Lizzy Loved Up Like Never Before In New Photos by hardballripplez: 6:20pm On Mar 26, 2017

Olu317:
What you just referred were similar to OLD TESTAMENT. HAVE YOU EVEN SEEN THE DESCRIPTION OF ALMIGHTY GOD IN YORUBA HISTORICAL RECORD VIA ODU? YOUR KNOWLEDGE ON THINGS AND DESCRIPTION OF GOD DOESN'T GO OUTSIDE AL QUARAN YET, THE ACCOUNT OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD STATED HE MET LEADERS OF CHRISTIAN FAITH. PAUL WAS A SLAYER OF CHRIST FOLLOWERS BECAUSE THEY CALL THEM PERVERSE AND LIARS. DO YOU EVEN KNOW HOW PEOPLE HAD KNOWLEDGE OF CHRIST? THE JEWS WHO PRACTICE JUDAISM WHO REFUSED TO FOLLOW JESUS CHRIST KNEW ALL THE STORY, SO PAUL'S ACCOUNT IS ONLY PART OF IT. IS PAUL THE ONE WHO WROTE MATHEW etc ? Do you even know how many chapters Paul got account and compile? The Old Testament was given to Moses, was Moses there in the beginning? Of course not, so, shake away from this glaring truth that can't be quenched. It is too real to doubted. Despite the destruction of King Solomon temple, he built for God, it still exist, doesn't it? Have you not seen it? So, true is Jesus Christ more than the earthly Temple. Jesus Christ will live in your heart if you allow and he will guide you to all things..... So, awesome to behold...

Who wrote Exodus? of course not Moses. why does the catholic bible have 7 extra books than what u have? Did you read about the account Paul gave when he said Jesus called him ? the accounts varied. same incident reported without any consistency. why do some bible verse have more chapters than the others? The holy ghost can't tell the Catholics to remove the 7 extra books? Our description of Allah does not go beyond what we are told. This is because no eyes have seen him. describing him in ways other than what he has described himself does not befit him, even if those attributes seem good to us. wise up. There are countless unknown writers of the bible. many bible verses without anyone knowing who the authors are. don't base your faith on a made up religion. Remember the day you will be lowered into the grave, it will be you alone, no one will follow you into the grave. yu will be questioned alone. I hope you will have a rethink. and I am open for debates at your church if you will invite me. will be with your pastor.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Apostle Suleman & Wife, Lizzy Loved Up Like Never Before In New Photos by hardballripplez: 6:08pm On Mar 26, 2017

weedtheweeds:
As a man of evidence, is there an evidence that the Quran was given by god?

Let us start by reflecting upon what Qur’an has to say about itself.

The Qur'an introduces itself as the guidance for the worlds (3:96); and the manifest light (4:174).

According to Qur’an, Allah has laid down solution of every human problem in the Qur’an very clearly. Qur’an says: “and We have revealed the Book to you explaining clearly everything (16:89).

Also He has described the Qur'an in these words: “ ....... a guidance for mankind and clear evidence of guidance and discrimination (between wrong)”. (2:185).

Again Allah says: “And (as for) those who strive hard for Us, We will most certainly guide them onto Our ways”. (29:69). Which striving is greater than the endeavor to understand His Book? And which way is more straight than the Qur'an?

“Lo! this Qur’an guides to that which is most upright”. (17:9)

The Holy Qur’an is a book which by sound reasoning bestows insight upon man. It shows the right path to man by giving the accounts of the Prophets and the nations. It motivates him through parables, exhortations and admonitions.

“Such are some of the stories of the unseen, which We have revealed unto you, before this neither you nor your people knew them. So persevere patiently, for the end is for those who are righteous”. (11:49).

The Qur'an describes its other function as the presentation of the Prophetic mission, which is aimed at guidance of humanity, by delivering it from darkness and leading it towards light:

“A Book We have sent down to you so that you may bring forth mankind from the darkness into the light......”. (14:1)

This is a declaration for humankind, a guidance and admonition to those who ward off (evil)”. (3:138)

And this is a book which We have revealed as a blessing, so follow it and be righteous, that you may receive mercy”. (6:155).

“A book revealed unto you, so that your heart be not in any difficulty on that account, (so that) with it you may warn (the sinful) and teach the believers”. (7:2).

“This Qur’an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah, on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that were sent before it, and a full explanation of the book, wherein there is not doubt from the Lord of the worlds”. (10:37)

“And We sent down the book to you for the express purpose that you should make clear to them those things in which they differ, and so that it should be a guide and mercy to those who believe”. (16:64).

We have revealed for you (O men) a book in which there is a message for you, will you then not understand”. (21:10).

“These are the verses of the book that make things clear”. (26:2).

“... A book which We have sent down unto you with full of blessings so that they may meditate on its signs and that man of understanding may receive admonition”. (38:29).

“Verily We have revealed the book to you in truth for instructing mankind. He that receives guidance benefits his own soul, but he that strays injures his own soul”. (39:41).

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Christianity Etc › Re: Apostle Suleman & Wife, Lizzy Loved Up Like Never Before In New Photos by hardballripplez: 6:03pm On Mar 26, 2017

Olu317:
Death is inevitable. I am really perturbed at the pattern in which you read because there were comparison between I drew the child's play descriptive term. Assuming, it was 6000,000, Jews that were slaughtered and 800,000 hutus. Do the ratio. You will understand who had lost more. Having opined this, doesn't mean, killing is good at any reason. However, you seem to like propaganda because I wonder where you got your inf from. I am well conversant with Hutu and Tutsi war. I am very very conversant with it. I read the news when it was happening, the movies to the effects and the United Nations's envoy who was a military personnel who even shed tears when he told the story of the mass gruesome murder of children and women . They even went to church to bring out people to be killed. How come you want to twist the story? what killing for Christ? How many war did Jesus Christ fight? How many human beings did Jesus Christ killed with sword ? Go and learn frère

How many wars did Jesus fight in? The bible wasn't compiled during the time of Jesus. the bible was made up later on. so we can't be sure about the stories of Jesus as portrayed in it. from what we see from the bible, it calls to violence and immorality.
It is funny when you say you are conversant with the Rwandan genocide. You read and listen only to what reinforces your already held beliefs. There was a massacre orchestrated by the army of christ. They were fighting for christ. I am not the one twisting history here. people who survived this massacre gave accounts of what happened. go back and read more history. The comparison you made doesn't fit. You are talking about the number of jews killed, ofcourse I never said I approved of what Hitler did. My point was that the Christian army nearly wiped out the entire Hutu population. Over 70 percent. This is not made up, check wikipedia.

Christianity Etc › Re: Apostle Suleman & Wife, Lizzy Loved Up Like Never Before In New Photos by hardballripplez: 5:54pm On Mar 26, 2017

weedtheweeds:
Thank God you exposed your hypocrisy here. All you want is to dominate the world. In the places you have dominated, what has been happened. Taking islam to Europe and America means totally exposing it. The only reason why there are Muslims in the world today is because of the killing and threats imposed on muslims. Many muslims in some countries are loosening up. You believe the majority is what makes a religion? fastest growing cos you use no condoms. I noticed how you began Europe and America with small letters. It is going to be a very big vision but unrealisable for you and a disastrous one for that matter. None of the Islamic states are working. None! If not for the Americans and British, the islamic states would have been depleted a long time. Your stronghold is Saudi Arabia which is under the control of the Americans and British. Iraq has been turned upside down. muslims are heavily profiled all over the world, many islamic strongholds have been disintegrated. Bin Laden caught and killed in an islamic country by an infidel, Saddam Hussein hanged, Ghadaffi killed disgracefully, Yous are profiled everywhere in the world. Donald Trump is on teh hunt for yous. Why do you think he won the election? to hound yous. the British are waking up now. very soon, just as you were tamed by the 18th and early 19th century by the french and British, another colonization is coming. Your saving grace is that the spanish didn't meet you first. yous are hypocrites washing the outer parts of the skin and feeling stink inside

I can see that you are pained. It doesn't matter if we don't use condoms. Allah already promised that He will give victory to His religion. and if calamity befalls Muslims as you have mentioned, It is certainly a test from Allah. He promised to test us, just as he tested those who passed before us. Saudi doesn;t dictate what Islam is or should be. Islam has remained unchanged. Just as you mentioned that you christians under American leadership are killing muslims in Iraq, and many other countries, this will not last forever. Have you thought about many mighty civilisations of the past that are no more today?. just imagine how the christian army lost in Afghanistan, with all your sophistication. Islam is dominating Europe, It is sweeping across the South Western Nigeria. This is because the promise of Allah is true. The religion of Paul is falsehood . And when light appears, ofcourse falsehood will disappear.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Apostle Suleman & Wife, Lizzy Loved Up Like Never Before In New Photos by hardballripplez: 5:40pm On Mar 26, 2017

Olu317:
Do you even know the meaning of Christians? If you seek the truth about Jesus Christ,then you will see the power of his resurrection. The POWER OF HIS RESURRECTION is the difference between him and Moses and all other acclaimed Prophets. Do you not know Moses was close to God?, And Still Moses parted the sea, was given the commandments, was the one who introduced God"s name as “I AM", was the one that made God to give food to the children of Israel from heaven etc. Despite all these, Moses blundered with anger and he did not enter Canaan land. Do you know Moses dead body was not buried but taken by God? . How can you now call JESUS CHRIST ordinary man? A man who called John the Baptist as Elijah who didn't die but was taken in a chariot of fire to heaven as the least in the kingdom of God, is that an ordinary man ? Who has seen how heaven looks like apart from Jesus account? A man who was tempted by the devil three times and the devil ran away, is that an ordinary man ? who has seen God before except Jesus Christ? Who was the one who gave the description of God except Jesus Christ? Even the angels don't have the description of God, Yet you call Jesus Christ ordinary. A man who say it and it came to pass, a man who woke four days straight dead man, a man who made himself equal to God, a man who opened 38 years old born blind, a man who told a centurion that his faith has healed the centurion child without seeing the child and so it was, a man who charged his disciples and his followers with a perfect commandments of loving God absolutely and the second commandment as loving your neighbor as oneself. How dare you call that ordinary? God and learn about Jesus through his personal contact. And you will marvel at the rate in which he explain to you things beyond your imagination. Get acquainted with Jesus and be free from your doubtful thoughts about MASTER JESUS....

Ofcourse God gave a clear description of Himself.
He says: Allah! There is no god but He - the Living, The Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him Nor Sleep. His are all things In the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede In His presence except As he permitteth? He knoweth What (appeareth to His creatures As) Before or After or Behind them. Nor shall they compass Aught of his knowledge Except as He willeth. His throne doth extend Over the heavens And on earth, and He feeleth No fatigue in guarding And preserving them, For He is the Most High. The Supreme (in glory)."

in another verse he says:
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him.
Lol. Paul who never ever in his life met Jesus wrote all these about Jesus because he knows people like you would believe. No wonder your pastors keep deceiving you in the name of fake miracles. if you are truthful , and I am sure u have some holy ghost. why not schedule a debate with us. what is the name of the Church? I'll come with some of our brothers in sha Allah. we will expose the lies of Paul. Jesus never taught all these. Jesus never asked to be worshipped. Jesus as a messenger of God would never equate himself with God. never will he do such. He performed miracles not by his own might. Jesus does not know what is hidden. Jesus has no power. All Power and might belongs solely to God. Dude, why worship a man born of a woman like you? Does being Christian mean one shouldn't be able to use his thinking faculty again?

Allah says about Jesus: Verily, the likeness of 'Iesa (Jesus) before Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be!" - and he was

I hope you embrace the religion of truth. thousands of former pastors and powerful men in Christianity have left the religion of paul, many are still leaving right now. it's all over the news. Paul asked you to have faith without thinking or verifying info. I sincerely hope it won't be too late for you to accept the truth. But Only Allah guides to his religion.
Allah says: We have certainly sent down distinct verses. And Allah guides whom He wills to a straight path.

Christianity Etc › Re: Apostle Suleman & Wife, Lizzy Loved Up Like Never Before In New Photos by hardballripplez: 12:26pm On Mar 26, 2017

weedtheweeds:
Are you excluding those quoted verses in the Quran? I've lived with core Muslims in Saudi Arabia for 2 years while I worked there back in the early 2000's. I am not just a hearsay. I have seen the secrets of Islam. The hate for Israel and the western world. Have you ever wondered why you are not called Arabs? have you seen how women dress in Saudi Arabia and the middle east? Have you gone through the record to find out why the western world is the target of terrorists? Have you ever wondered why the Muslim leaders are undisturbed about the killing of Christians? Have you ever wondered who could be the sponsors of the Boko Haram? Listen, wolves play among sheep and act very insidious, only wise sheep will tell by their moves.
I am not the type you convince with petty reasoning, I have had a sit down with your Imams and many Muslims. The truth is that you are not even considered a good Muslim before these people. Why do you think Muslims want to carve out their own communities wherever they go? In France, they live in clustered communities/colonies. The British government is also fighting to disintegrate their communities.
I am sure you read the news, Muslims have tarnished their names and they are only acting on the instructions of the Moh'm. In Libya, Egypt, Iraq, Saudi etc, Christians are slaughtered like earthworms. The only time a black Muslim realizes that you are his brother is when he has faced racial profiling from other races even in the Islamic communities. My dear, look for God before it is too late

Please bring forth your evidences that Muhammad married an underage and that the Quran was copied from the bible . Dude this is not a church where you say whatever and no one asks for evidence . Only church people are gullible. The pastor could give you poison to drink and tell you it's ok if you die that he's trying to perform a miracle. First understand that this is not a church.
The Quran describes God as eternal, He doesn't sleep, He can't be killed. According to the bible, Christians believe that God rests, that he could be killed and he died( he has an end). Muslims believe God created us into different nations with different skin colors. Christians believe God decided to change our languages when he was threatened by his creatures who decided to build a tower up to him. The bible God never knew that people would someday be able to fly into space . Is it even rational to say that God changed our language when he was threatened by a tower ?when in fact people are now travelling to space without seeing God? The Quran says someday people will.be able to travel to space . The Quran does not contain a single error. The bible countains countless mistakes , pornography, incest and other things. So tell me how did the Quran copy from the biblem. From the few things that I listed, these books are totally different. Totally. Bible was made up by Paul, Quran was given to the prophet Muhammad. Allah in the Quran gave us Islam. Paul gave you Christianity. So again, tell me. How are they related?

And talking about why they don't call me an arab. Why should I be called am Arab? I don't want to be called an Arab. Allah said in the Quran that he created us into different nations with different skin colors. And he's not going to judge anyone based on skin color. Who decides who's a Muslim?. You said some people don't consider me a good Muslim . Dude this is not Christianity whereby your pastors falsely ascrib divinity and power to themselves. Don't be deluded whenever they say they can give you heaven or hell . They only want to fleece you of your money. If I make mistakes as a Muslim I ask Allah for forgiveness. He forgives without sending anyone to die coz he has the power to forgive .he's not helpless. Dude, in Islam there is no CAN that decides who a good Muslim is. We know a good Muslim when we see one. A good Muslim believes and follows the teachings of the prophet Muhammad. And talking about the Saudi king . Lol. Dude, in Islam we don't base our faith on the king like the Catholics do with their popes. This king is just a politician, he didntdidn't assume office under any islamic justification. He's a monarch and in Islam that's not how we select our leaders. Who cares if the king befriends Trump? That's his own business and on the day of judgement he should be ready to defend himself. Palestine is stolen by the army of the Jews. You talk about boko haram. Dude all known Islamic scholars have condemned boko haram. If not for you guys there won't be any boko haram nor isis. You guys created them . It's all over the news that the Christian nation of US. Created these groups. You guys on daily basis bomb innocent Muslims in the middle East and elsewhere. You guys created the fertile land for boko haram to thrive . And talking about knowing the secrets of Islam.. This is not Christianity whereby there are secrets. There are no secrets in Islam. You don't even speak arabic and you say you know anything about Islam. What imams did you sit with? And leaving in Saudi doesn't mean anything . Saudi is a country . So what's the big deal if you live there . And in fact you didn't go to makkah where the kaaba is nor did you visit medina.these places are for Muslims. And to put it to you. Right now I live in Qatar and I was in Saudi last month. So what's the big deal about living in Saudi. Qatar like Saudi has many experts from many of the western countries. So what's the big deal in living there. Can you please share the so-called secrets of Islam.? Coz this is nonsense as there is nothing of such. I am on Facebook and in sha Allah I will be visiting Nigeria soon. If I know what church you attend I will be willing to visit with some of the brothers in order to engage your pastors.in sha Allah the truth will be bare. Please let me know when you be available. Anytime from june- August works for me as I'll be home by then in sha Allah. We will make arrangements on how to visit your church.

I hope you will find time to read the Quran and may Allah guide you to his light..

I have read the bible countless times. In the southwest we are always forced to study Christianity in primary and secondary schools. May Allah forgive our ignorance. So let me know where the church is so we can arrange for a debate in sha Allah.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Apostle Suleman & Wife, Lizzy Loved Up Like Never Before In New Photos by hardballripplez: 12:22pm On Mar 26, 2017

buffalowings:
it is a known fact that has a Muslims don't consider you a m

this guy

about five comments now you've been rambling about jesus claiming some guys should kill some people

which isn't true

there is a reason why we chose to follow the tenets of jesus because he showed compassion and love for people who do not believe in him

this can't be said of your pedophile Mohammed

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Christianity Etc › Re: Apostle Suleman & Wife, Lizzy Loved Up Like Never Before In New Photos by hardballripplez: 12:19pm On Mar 26, 2017

buffalowings:
it is a known fact that has a Muslims don't consider you a m

this guy

about five comments now you've been rambling about jesus and paul claiming some guys should kill some people
which isn't true
you never showed us the bible verses where it was written

you k
there is a reason why we chose to follow the tenets of jesus because he showed compassion and love for people who do not believe in him
I don't believe in miracles but his sayings are the best things to ever happen to humanity

meanwhile we have Mohammed unashamedly writing about marrying an underage in your book

I think I know who I would prefer

and about the holy books being compiled by the early Christian
at least we know how it came to being
and not like your own supposedly came out of the sky
when we know large portions of it came directly from the bible

remember christianity came first before islam

I believe you would do yourself good reading a bible where every sayings of jesus is annotated in red

the thinking of Muslims is best illustrated here on nairaland. on your thread I've to declare love for Mohammed before I comment. meanwhile you're here discussing my faith unrestricted.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Apostle Suleman & Wife, Lizzy Loved Up Like Never Before In New Photos by hardballripplez: 10:20am On Mar 26, 2017

Olu317:
Nazis/Adolph Hitler war killed about 6,000,000 single ethnic jews and about 18-20 million Russians which Jews were also among. What are you trying to achieve? This children of Africa who can't see the truth but wallow in hatred and keep crying for recognition because much is needed to be done. Kindly plead with your African Americans who are indigenous with over 40,000,000 to come and invest in Africa and built because they claim it as their Home. As this will reduce less killing because of their expected exposure to moderate and modern knowledge in the western world. Are they willing to come back to Africa and live permanently?.. Tutsi and Hutsi was a child's play. Go and study to get more facts.

And bro, The black Americans won't want to live here. We have not done enough to encourage anyone to come back home. They read about all what we do in the newspapers. African leaders are not encouraging at all.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Apostle Suleman & Wife, Lizzy Loved Up Like Never Before In New Photos by hardballripplez: 10:00am On Mar 26, 2017

Olu317:
Nazis/Adolph Hitler war killed about 6,000,000 single ethnic jews and about 18-20 million Russians which Jews were also among. What are you trying to achieve? This children of Africa who can't see the truth but wallow in hatred and keep crying for recognition because much is needed to be done. Kindly plead with your African Americans who are indigenous with over 40,000,000 to come and invest in Africa and built because they claim it as their Home. As this will reduce less killing because of their expected exposure to moderate and modern knowledge in the western world. Are they willing to come back to Africa and live permanently?.. Tutsi and Hutsi was a child's play. Go and study to get more facts.

THEY KILLED OVER 70 PERCENT OF THE ENTIRE hUTU POPULATION AND YOU CALL THIS A CHILD'S PLAY? be realistic dude. They killed for christ .

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Christianity Etc › Re: Apostle Suleman & Wife, Lizzy Loved Up Like Never Before In New Photos by hardballripplez: 9:59am On Mar 26, 2017

Olu317:
My friend, it is obvious you are looking for Christ to come into your life and it is a good thing to seek out his personality. However, you still need to study because you behave exactly like the Israelites too when Jesus Christ told them that he (Jesus) and God are one. They pick up stone to kill him. And they later killed Jesus through hanging on the cross but my King Jesus rose up. Then leave your fake crusaders alone because what you are trying to insinuate isn't correct. All the disciples of Jesus were killed in a gruesome way. And all the Old Testament, didn't it affect the children of Israel when he gave them the ten commandments? Didn't Israelites lived in Egypt? Whom do you think God was referring ? My friend go and find Jesus because he is near you and your heart will be at peace.

Dude I follow Jesus. As Muslims, we believe in His miraculous birth, in the miracles that God did through him. But Jesus was just an ordinary man. nothing special about him. Muslims are the real followers of JESUS,WE FOLLOW HIS TEACHINGS. Dude, May God guide you to the truth if you truly you seek it. JeSUS DOESN'T HAVE ANY CONNECTION WITH CHRISTIANITY nor the bible and I hope you know that? Christianity is the religion of Paul, and the Bible is the book invented by Paul for his religion.
I will be glad to send you a copy of the Quran if you willing to read it. and secondly if you don't mind, if I could know your church I will be glad to bring some brothers to have a discussion about Islam and CHRISTIANITY WITH SOME OF YOUR PASTORS. Kindly let me know if you will be interested. There is no need to be shy, the truth will be laid bare when we visit in sha aLLAH

Allah says in the Quran: It is He Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad SAW) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam), to make it superior over all religions even though the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) hate (it).

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Christianity Etc › Re: Apostle Suleman & Wife, Lizzy Loved Up Like Never Before In New Photos by hardballripplez: 9:52am On Mar 26, 2017

weedtheweeds:
I do not believe in tithing and pastors for the record. Christianity began after the death of Jesus. Jesus asked Christians to follow his footsteps not the Mosaic law. The Mosaic law was there even before Islam. The Quran also quotes the killing of the infidels as the Bible. The same messages conveyed in the old testament is also present in the Bible, so what is your point? You Believe in Musa (Moses) LOL. That is the same history that is recorded in the Bible. The Quran teaches of Ibrahim (Abraham). In fact the problem with the Quran began after Jesus. Jesus' life was also entered in the Quran. The Quran contains more record of Jesus than of Moh'm. The Quran says Jesus is coming back while Moh'm will rot away forever. Doesn't that ring a bell in your head? If Moh'm was more favored than Jesus, why would Jesus be returning and not Moh'm? the Quran says Jesus was raised up, while Moh'm wasn't. Isn't that a good clue about who to follow? Going back to the old testament as evidence against the Christians doesn't erase it from the Quran. It is also in your unholy book. Quran claims angels Jibril (Gabriel) wrote the Quran, but the Bible contains more factual and more reasonable proofs of the prophetic words that we have seen today. So, if the angel wrote that, why aren't we seeing more evidence of prophecy apart from the moon was split in 2. Can you quote the Quran that emphasizes on the miracles that Moh'm performed? Moh'm killed thousands and forcefully converted them to Muslims. He knows that preaching the Quran can never make converts. Muslims claim their religion is the fastest growing, but they failed to stress that 1 Muslim man marries multiple wives and bears countless terrorists. Few Muslims can truly answer questions about their doctrines without violence erupting. They get stuck in between and get violent. Can you tell me, who is Jesus? Why do Muslims believe Allah raised him to heaven and not Moh'm? Why do Muslims believe Jesus will return and not Moh'm? Is Jesus greater than Moh'm? Comparing Moh'm prophecy and that of Jesus, which is more authentic? If Allah asked you to kill infidels, why is there a need for the judgment day? Why is Islam forcefully spread? Why is the Islamic nations in turmoil within if the Quran is practical? Why is there so much secrecy in the Islamic societies?If you are tired of being labelled a terrorist what has been your contribution to fight terrorism in your religion? Who truly promotes or educates the extremists if not the Quran? Child abuse in Islam, does it not cause you shame and disdain?

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It is so pathetic if this is what the sunday school taught you. there is no iota of truth in all the gibberish you wrote up here. so let me enlighten you so that you can enlighten your sunday school teacher who is indoctrinating you with all these fake and made up history. I presume he knows you are the kind of person who finds it difficult to verify information, hence, the ease to fill your head with shit and bullcrap about Islam.
first of all, Islam teaches us to say good about the messenger of God Isa(Jesus). may peace be upon him.
as a rebuttal: Jesus is coming back. why? he did not complete his task. when he comes he will descend in Syria. he will destroy the cross, and absolve himself of the lies the Christians told him. he will come back as a follower of the messenger Muhammad. SO WHO IS GREATER? THE FOLLOWER? if you say the follower is greater then this is laughable. Jesus will pray behind an Imam and He will pray with Muslims. He won't be somewhere dancing and singing like someone who is high on weed or some kind of substance. This is very clear and if you worship Jesus because he is coming back, then you could worship the devil who also will not die till the end of time. I hope this is clear to you now.
The Quran mentions Jesus more than the pROPHET Muhammad. the Quran was never written by angel Jibril as you claimed. it is the word of Allah sent through angel Jibril. The Quran mentions Musa more than any other. more than He mentions the Prophet Muhammad and Jesus. the Quran is the word of Allah. how does name mentioning means you have to worship jesus? Read what the Quran said about Jesus first, must you always take what the Sunday school teacher said without necessarily verifying if it's the truth?. Now that you know that the Quran mentions Moses more than Jesus, are you going to start worshipping Moses as I presume? This shows that you are gullible. I don't see any sense in name mentioning. Allah mentions Jesus with his mother, Maryam. tHERE IS a connection here to explain to people like you that Jesus is the son of Mary and he's and never was the son of God. Jesus is mentioned in relation to his mother, not as a sign of superiority. He is not superior, beacsue when he comes back to earth, he will be a follower of prophet muhammad, He will follow the injunctions as laid down by our Prophet. I hope this answers your question about why he was mentioned 25 times.
you claim Islam was forcefully spread? Provide evidences dude.
The bible you follow is an innovation ascribed to Jesus. Paul is the founder and owner of christianity, not christ. 90 percent of what is written in that book was not taught by Jesus.
This book you say you follow is infamously referred to as the book of pornography. This is not only due to the cheesy pickup lines you could see written in it, but also many of the songs you guys ascribed to Solomon wherein pornography, incest, adultery are celebrated.
Jesus calls for blood and killings in Matthew. How do you defend this statement? Jesus didn't ask you to follow him, never did he say so. He was a Jew sent solely to the Jews, and what business do you have with that? and likewise HE was sent for a specific period and to a specific group of people.
The Old testament and many verses of the new testament are filled with verses of violence and pornography. The reason why you won't find as many calls to killings in the new testament as it is in the old one is because Paul figured out that the sensible way he could promote his brand new religion was to allude to some sort of peace. He knew that would attract people like you. People who don't really care about the truth. Paul promised that if you believe in his book(bible) , in his religion(christianity) and if you believe that your gOD WAS KILLED AND CRUCIFIED BY MERE MORTALS(WHEREAS GOD IS ETERNAL AND NEVER DIES) THAT HE WOULD LEAD YOU TO HEAVEN. DUDE SEEK FOR THE TRUTH. PAUL'S RELIGION WILL ONLY LEAD YOU TO HELL. AS A You ARE A FOLLOWER OF PAUL, I WOULD URGE YOU TO DROP SENTIMENTS AND SINCERELY SEEK FOR THE TRUTH. BRITAIN, AMERICA, GERMANY AND OTHER COUNTRIES THAT IMPORTED PAUL'S RELIGION TO YOU AND YOU ILK HAVE STARTED TO DISCOVER THE TRUTH. A RECENT PUBLICATION BY BBC NEWS ADJUDGED Islam as the fastest growing religion, and by 2050, Islam will be at the verge of dominating Europe. eUROPE AND tHE aMERICAS WILL BE MUSLIM MAJORITY VERY SOON, EVEN WITH ALL YOUR PROPAGANDA, MILLIONS ARE COMING TO ISLAM YEARLY.
Allah says in the Quran: It is He Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad SAW) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam), to make it superior over all religions even though the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) hate (it).

and lastly, I urge you not to kill your family members nor your neighbours. Because Paul and other unknown authors of the bible asked you to do so, doesn't mean it is the right thing to do.

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