₦airaland Forum

GMbuharii:
what has his name got to do with your frustrations?

Is'nt it appalling that most of you celebrating apc stolen victory in ekiti are mallams!? Ukwu and Ekiti are both south Naija. The true Yorubas are not happy with this greek development..

"we are not SURPRISE"

Illiterate

chynie:
no am confused
what now happens to some Yoruba families
where the mother is Muslim and father Christian and vise versa

nkwuocha:

Rape a child to have kids
Seems God deliberately refused the couple kids, knowing how devilish and wicked they are.

I don't expect the Kano state government to do anything. Remember he has tse tse flies entangled in his intestines. So he can pretend to show concern. Again, their religion accepts the rape of minors. To them, kini big deal?!?


Modified

To those imbeciles quoting me, pray tell, what's the difference between this innocent child and a 10 years old forced into marriage with an old man?

ba7man:
Obviously, its you that didn't read about any of these wars.

America comes into your country and bombs the living daylight out of you.
Turning cities into rubble while their own country remains intact watching it on TV.

They send in the bottom half of their public school graduates and you manage to kill 2000 of them through IEDs and booby traps while trying to avoid open confrontation with them.

In return, they kill 20,000, destroy your economy, cities, political structures ............and then run back home saying they "Lost".

America don't loose, they destroy every country they confront while American rappers are busy shooting videos with girls shaking their bums back home.

Adieza:
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ElsonMorali:
Saturday's fine.

nisai:
olusabifrancis@yahoo.com

Thanks in advance.

nisai:
Salam alaikum my brother in islam, I have been following u since I stumbled upon this thread. I must confess, I couldn't resist your charming display of knowledge, and I became envious!

I am a convert(from christianity) to Islam. I am now seeking to know more about my religion (Islam); If you don't mind helping me.

iammee:
Abeg who go read all dis one now? u can't force someone to blv or accept ur religion by force. Continue to blv ur Allah or muhammad, and leave Christian alone, Paul book (bible) or not works for me alot nd i will embrace d book forever.

weedtheweeds:
can you explain? Let us see if there is confusion in Islam
1. was Moh'd a prophet or a messenger?
2. was the koran brought by the angel Jibril to Moh'd?
3. If Moh'd was a prophet why did he not bring his own message like the preceding prophets?
4. If Moh'd was a prophet why did he ask for a sign from Jibril to authenticate the veracity of islam?
5. If Moh'd was a prophet, why did he also have to read the koran?
6. If islam is from the koran, why is Moh'd life account indoctrinated in Islam?
7. Since his life's account is indoctrinated, is it an allusion to the koran?
8. If Moh'd is the last prophet, why was he not taken to heaven?
9. If Islam believed Jesus lived and was taken to heaven does it make him more precious and superior to Moh'd before allah?
10. Why is Jesus mentioned more times in the koran than Moh'd?
11. Why will Jesus return and not Moh'd?
12. Why do Muslims insidiously resist questions concerning the killing of the infidels in the koran?
13. If islam is genuine, why does it preach conversion by compulsion?
14. The koran teaches of the judgment day. If muslims kill the infidels, who will be left to judge on the judgment day?
15. using the koran as a reference, can you explain the below picture?

Olu317:
Of course yes, I wasn't referring to the present day Mali but the empire. The Islamic scholar had knowledge of Yoruba Ethnicity. Beside, the Yoruba territories were heavily deep forested. Something did drove them to this region. In as much as the Ancient Yoruba claim being the beginning of mankind started at ILE IFE is false. Truth will naturally evolve. The
Abu al-Abbas Ahmad ibn Ahmad al-Takruri Al-Massufi al-Timbukti (October 26, 1556 – 1627), was a medieval Sanhaja Berber,a writer, scholar, and political provocateur in the area then known as the Western Sudan . Throughout his life, he wrote more than 40 books and is often noted as having been
Timbuktu ’s greatest scholar. His books will be useful if you can access his books.

Olu317:
Of course yes, I wasn't referring to the present day Mali but the empire. The Islamic scholar had knowledge of Yoruba Ethnicity. Beside, the Yoruba territories were heavily deep forested. Something did drove them to this region. In as much as the Ancient Yoruba claim being the beginning of mankind started at ILE IFE is false. Truth will naturally evolve. The
Abu al-Abbas Ahmad ibn Ahmad al-Takruri Al-Massufi al-Timbukti (October 26, 1556 – 1627), was a medieval Sanhaja Berber,a writer, scholar, and political provocateur in the area then known as the Western Sudan . Throughout his life, he wrote more than 40 books and is often noted as having been
Timbuktu ’s greatest scholar. His books will be useful if you can access his books.

weedtheweeds:
hahaha, no evidence? Moh'm woke up one night and told y'all that Jibril sent him a book not written by man haha. give me a break from this heresy. I need scientific evidence not a quote from the book. any prophetic words in it to back the heretic claim?

weedtheweeds:
can I ask you? In what country is true islam practiced?
the American army is also made up of Muslims killing their fellow muslims and hindus and atheists etc. not only xtians if you are looking for a blame causal factor

Olu317:
The YORUBA is connected to Middle East and not Arabs. And the Yoruba traders who sojourn in Mali brought about these people when Yoruba had huge wealth through Oyo rise to power. Oyo disconnect ILE IFE from the root because it was an easy access to the bank of the present day Niger river in Kogi state as well as across to other part of the North. And all Yoruba groups migrated their to earn their livelihood either as businessmen or warlords in the swelling military stance of Oyo Empire. Imalè were reference to identify the people of Mali with their religion ( IMO MALI). They brought it to to Yoruba land. I have uploaded a link on a thread(how did a single city (Bini) conquered southwest) in which Malians had knowledge of Yoruba as far back as 13th century. Even in 16th century, Ibñ Baba(Fulan/Berber/ Arab descent) was the one few ones who called us YORUBA. And he was lettered Islamic scholar. Yet, he didn't call us Arabs because Yoruba aren't ARABS.

Olu317:
You see once again you find it hard to believe that it was called Esin Imalè. Do you where the religion came through to Yoruba land? Let me infer here that, there is a difference between Imolè and Imalè. Imolè became a popular way of identifying the Quranic study after some Yoruba who seek power delve into the religion. At first, it wasn't referred to it as IMOLÈ because Yorubas didn't believe in any other religion being superior to Yoruba religion. So, Yoruba didn't bother accepting Islamic religion. IMOLÈ was as a result of the treasonous offence and the coup d'etat that took the life of AFONJA after almost 300-400 years the religion find it way to Yoruba land. After the death of AFONJA, one of the key converted leaders at Ilorin who ought to fight on the side of AFONJA but refused saw the truth after a while and tried to rebel but he was overpowered on the long run and killed later. The ancient Yoruba had knowledge of Middle East if you have studied some ODU IFA CORPUS in Yoruba traditional beliefs. Take for instance, the using of white Ram without blemish as Sacrifice for the first male legitimate born etc . I referred to this instance as it is a first hand information . If you have a contrary definition to what I inferred, kindly opined it on the advent of IMOLÈ. My submission.

Olu317:
You don't need to pick on typography error. Even google has more than enough information to give on AJAMI and other methods of writing. What do mean by stating you know it more than I do? Islam? if it is, I won't even dare argue it or signify to rival you on it because it is not the religion I accept and I didn't spend much of my time to delve deep into Quranic study despite my glancing at Some part of the HADITH . Despite the fact that I once tried to learn Quran when I was baby. But I couldn't because of some deterrent. It is not relevant though to the issue you and I deliberate. The fact remains A holistic study can't be achieved with such authors without considering peculiarities of over 3000 languages in Africa by lumping AFRICA TOGETHER AS ONE.

ElsonMorali:
Saturday's fine.

Olu317:
I want to start from the last info bout lies being spread. Information I gave you aren't lies. Do you know world history very well and its relationship with religion? Then you need study from the advent of Catholics and to go further to study Islam. Islam and the people who lived in olden days of Nigeria kingdoms. It was the most awesome and gruesome conversion especially in the North East, North west and part of North Central Present day Nigeria. You don't want to know the history. Do you know Hausa identity have been wiped out? Do you know there are tens of language in the North that had been suppressed? Do you know the history of Ilorin and treasonous offence which led to war against other Yoruba? Do you know how many thousands of Yoruba lost their lives defending Yoruba territory? Do even know Islam had been practised in Yoruba land by Mahlians during 14th-15th century called ESIN IMALE( religion of Malians) ? Islam is moderate within Yoruba because of the peculiarities of Yoruba people. Even Sultan Bello knew Yoruba history because it had been written in their scroll(Ajama). He wasn't the one who wrote it but met. So, It is God all the way for the Yorubas. I don't want this to get messy so I will withhold my information and not personal view. I can categorically inform you that all information I send on here are 95% sort information and 5% opinion because I know a lot read everything we send on here. It doesn't have to be for today only but as long as this thread is on NL and other thread. So, I am very very careful to send my view on social media because it spread like wildfire. And It will always be read. So, no hatred for your belief but facts speak for itself.

Olu317:
I want to start from the last info bout lies being spread. Information I gave you aren't lies. Do you know world history very well and its relationship with religion? Then you need study from the advent of Catholics and to go further to study Islam. Islam and the people who lived in olden days of Nigeria kingdoms. It was the most awesome and gruesome conversion especially in the North East, North west and part of North Central Present day Nigeria. You don't want to know the history. Do you know Hausa identity have been wiped out? Do you know there are tens of language in the North that had been suppressed? Do you know the history of Ilorin and treasonous offence which led to war against other Yoruba? Do you know how many thousands of Yoruba lost their lives defending Yoruba territory? Do even know Islam had been practised in Yoruba land by Mahlians during 14th-15th century called ESIN IMALE( religion of Malians) ? Islam is moderate within Yoruba because of the peculiarities of Yoruba people. Even Sultan Bello knew Yoruba history because it had been written in their scroll(Ajama). He wasn't the one who wrote it but met. So, It is God all the way for the Yorubas. I don't want this to get messy so I will withhold my information and not personal view. I can categorically inform you that all information I send on here are 95% sort information and 5% opinion because I know a lot read everything we send on here. It doesn't have to be for today only but as long as this thread is on NL and other thread. So, I am very very careful to send my view on social media because it spread like wildfire. And It will always be read. So, no hatred for your belief but facts speak for itself.

Olu317:
I want to start from the last info bout lies being spread. Information I gave you aren't lies. Do you know world history very well and its relationship with religion? Then you need study from the advent of Catholics and to go further to study Islam. Islam and the people who lived in olden days of Nigeria kingdoms. It was the most awesome and gruesome conversion especially in the North East, North west and part of North Central Present day Nigeria. You don't want to know the history. Do you know Hausa identity have been wiped out? Do you know there are tens of language in the North that had been suppressed? Do you know the history of Ilorin and treasonous offence which led to war against other Yoruba? Do you know how many thousands of Yoruba lost their lives defending Yoruba territory? Do even know Islam had been practised in Yoruba land by Mahlians during 14th-15th century called ESIN IMALE( religion of Malians) ? Islam is moderate within Yoruba because of the peculiarities of Yoruba people. Even Sultan Bello knew Yoruba history because it had been written in their scroll(Ajama). He wasn't the one who wrote it but met. So, It is God all the way for the Yorubas. I don't want this to get messy so I will withhold my information and not personal view. I can categorically inform you that all information I send on here are 95% sort information and 5% opinion because I know a lot read everything we send on here. It doesn't have to be for today only but as long as this thread is on NL and other thread. So, I am very very careful to send my view on social media because it spread like wildfire. And It will always be read. So, no hatred for your belief but facts speak for itself.

Olu317:
I want to start from the last info bout lies being spread. Information I gave you aren't lies. Do you know world history very well and its relationship with religion? Then you need study from the advent of Catholics and to go further to study Islam. Islam and the people who lived in olden days of Nigeria kingdoms. It was the most awesome and gruesome conversion especially in the North East, North west and part of North Central Present day Nigeria. You don't want to know the history. Do you know Hausa identity have been wiped out? Do you know there are tens of language in the North that had been suppressed? Do you know the history of Ilorin and treasonous offence which led to war against other Yoruba? Do you know how many thousands of Yoruba lost their lives defending Yoruba territory? Do even know Islam had been practised in Yoruba land by Mahlians during 14th-15th century called ESIN IMALE( religion of Malians) ? Islam is moderate within Yoruba because of the peculiarities of Yoruba people. Even Sultan Bello knew Yoruba history because it had been written in their scroll(Ajama). He wasn't the one who wrote it but met. So, It is God all the way for the Yorubas. I don't want this to get messy so I will withhold my information and not personal view. I can categorically inform you that all information I send on here are 95% sort information and 5% opinion because I know a lot read everything we send on here. It doesn't have to be for today only but as long as this thread is on NL and other thread. So, I am very very careful to send my view on social media because it spread like wildfire. And It will always be read. So, no hatred for your belief but facts speak for itself.

Olu317:
I want to start from the last info bout lies being spread. Information I gave you aren't lies. Do you know world history very well and its relationship with religion? Then you need study from the advent of Catholics and to go further to study Islam. Islam and the people who lived in olden days of Nigeria kingdoms. It was the most awesome and gruesome conversion especially in the North East, North west and part of North Central Present day Nigeria. You don't want to know the history. Do you know Hausa identity have been wiped out? Do you know there are tens of language in the North that had been suppressed? Do you know the history of Ilorin and treasonous offence which led to war against other Yoruba? Do you know how many thousands of Yoruba lost their lives defending Yoruba territory? Do even know Islam had been practised in Yoruba land by Mahlians during 14th-15th century called ESIN IMALE( religion of Malians) ? Islam is moderate within Yoruba because of the peculiarities of Yoruba people. Even Sultan Bello knew Yoruba history because it had been written in their scroll(Ajama). He wasn't the one who wrote it but met. So, It is God all the way for the Yorubas. I don't want this to get messy so I will withhold my information and not personal view. I can categorically inform you that all information I send on here are 95% sort information and 5% opinion because I know a lot read everything we send on here. It doesn't have to be for today only but as long as this thread is on NL and other thread. So, I am very very careful to send my view on social media because it spread like wildfire. And It will always be read. So, no hatred for your belief but facts speak for itself.

Olu317:
HOW TO PRAY


After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

WHO WILL TEACH CHRISTIAN HOW TO PRAY

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will
send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

CHRISTIANS PRAY THROUGH HOLY SPIRIT

He is the Holy Spirit, who leads into all truth.
The world cannot receive him, because it isn't
looking for him and doesn't recognize him.
But you know him, because he lives with you
now and later will be in you.

CHRISTIAN PRAY THROUGH JESUS

All things that the Father hath are mine:
therefore said I, that he shall take of mine,
and shall shew it unto you.

ASK IN JESUS NAME : John 14vs13

And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it .


PRAYER IS NOT FOR SHOW

Jesus applied the same principle He made about good works to prayer: “And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men” (verse 5). In other words, we shouldn’t use prayer to show off our spirituality to others.

PRAY IN PRIVATE
Instead of a public show, Jesus taught: “When you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly” (verse 6).
Instead of praying publicly to be seen by others, prayer is to be done primarily in private . There is an important reason for this. Prayer is designed as a means of communication to “draw near to God” ( James 4:8 )—to deepen our personal relationship with Him. In order to build a strong relationship with our Creator, we need to spend daily, concentrated time praying to Him privately, one-on-one. Jesus Christ didn’t just teach about this; it was a regular part of His life (Matthew 14:23 ; Mark 1:35 ; Luke 6:12 ). (Note that there are times when praying in public is appropriate, such as at a family meal, church service, wedding or a funeral.)

PRAY TO THE FATHER
Jesus was very clear that our prayers are directed to God the Father: “Pray to your Father who is in the secret place” ( Matthew 6:6 ). Now that Jesus Christ is in heaven as the Mediator between God and man, we pray “in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ”

PRAY FROM THE HEART
Jesus made another clear statement that is widely ignored: “And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words” (Matthew 6:7). Christ was referring to the pagan form of recitation and chanting prayers based on the idea that repeating a prayer will bring favor from God (or the gods). This form of repeating or chanting prewritten prayers is practiced extensively in the Catholic and Orthodox churches.
God doesn’t want prewritten prayers to be repeated over and over. This does nothing to fulfill the basic purpose of prayer, which is to develop a close, personal relationship with God


THIS IS HOW JESUS TAUGHT US TO PRAY

ElsonMorali:
I'd like to discuss this more, If you'd open a thread for it, Maybe weekend or something. Just cc me.

Olu317:
I am not the kind that showcase pride on debate to discuss the CONQUEROR OF THE WHOLE BEINGS EITHER IN HEAVENS OF HEAVENS OR EARTH. This is a SETTLED MATTER. THERE ISN'T ANY CONTROVERSY BECAUSE THE ALMIGHTY JESUS HAS BEEN PROVING HIMSELF FROM THE CREATION AND NOTHING TO PROOF TO ANYONE AS NEW BUT FOR THOSE WHO HAS NOT BENEFITED FROM IT NEED TO TAP INTO JESUS FLESH AND BLOOD AS BECOMING POTENTIAL PARTAKER IN HIS INHERITANCE. I HAVE NO NEED OR REASON TO VISIT THE DEBATE CENTER.

Olu317:
If you don't believe this assertion by those who used their lives on research then I wonder what the world will turn into? Let me ask you to do more research from the birth of Islam if you are Muslim and from the birth of crusaders if you want to know the atrocities of the ancient Catholics. How did Turkey became a Muslim nation?, how did the Yemen became Muslim nation? How was Islam established in Egypt? Libya? Sudan? Morocco? Pakistan? etc. I don't want to go too far on the fact but once you google different question on the spread of Catholics or Islam, you will see. I desist henceforth on this issue.

ElsonMorali:
I can assure you that Judas did not write any book before he hung himself, neither did he commission anybody to write a book on his behalf.

The book of Judas is another book written by people who CLAIM to be Gnostics.

There are other books like that which try to cast aspersions on the Salvific work of Jesus and the nature of his being.

You'll find that these books are mischievous.

For example, the book or "gospel " of Mary Magdalen claims that Jesus married her and they had children and he did not die but lived to a grand age and blah blah blah...

Anybody can wake up and begin to write whatever comes into their heads so long as you have a very active imagination.

See How people rush to news that had scandal even on this form but found it difficult to contribute to any meaningful intellectual discuss.

It's because humans love lurid tales. That one that titillates our senses.

There's no court of law here.and nobody Really can speak on behalf of Judas.

If Judas hadn't betrayed Jesus, someone else would have. The theological niceties of predestination is not what I would want to get into here.

I wouldn't want to derail this already derailed thread. Maybe one day you can open a thread and put it all out in the open, cc me, and we can have a robust discussion or debate If you like.

ElsonMorali:
You probably didn't notice my signature. Despite that though, I'm Catholic. I'm not sure If I can join you in any debate for now due to location, but, you can always cc me on this forum or email me on elsonmorali007@yahoo.com.



Oh by the way, I don't need my "pastors" to make my arguments for me.



Seems you're a Moslem. If you are, then I understand why you're so eager to believe the book of Judas.

ElsonMorali:
I'm sorry but arguing with you will be a complete waste of my time.

You pick a book over the Bible because it sounds "delicious" to your ears.

You accept everything written in the book of Judas but find it difficult to accept the books of the Bible.

We can go on and on, but I see that your mind is already fixated. You are in no frame of mind for objective discussion.

Good luck on your journey down the rabbit hole. I guess we all have to make that trip at last once in our life time.

Olu317:
Prayer beads are used to mark the repetitions of prayers, chants or devotions.


In Roman Catholicism they are used to pray through the rosary to the Virgin Mary.

In Islam the beads are traditionally used to keep count while saying the prayer known as the “Tasbih of Fatimah”, which was a form of prayer offered as a gift by Muhammad to his daughter.

Catholics honour water in many ways i.e baptism and general blessings

while Muslims can hardly go to a toilet, Fart, pray etc without water.

Catholic nuns use head scarves closer to Muslims women.

Catholics fast during Easter as Muslims fast during Ramadan.Bisimilahi Rahaman rahim is not far in meaning to;In the name of the father,the son and the holly spirit. During prayes the monotony of standing and kneeling is evident in Catholic as well as in Islam.The burning of escennce is in catholic and Islam.The scalp worn by bishops is worn by most Muslims.

Muslims believe in forceful conversion and fight of holy war

Historians estimate that during the Dark Ages and the Inquisition, the Roman Catholic Church killed over 50 million people whom they deemed as heretics, most of which were Christians who dared to own a Bible (which the Church forbid) or proclaimed the Gospel of Christ.

Jihad have killed over 270 million people in the history of mankind.

Can you see the similarity..

ElsonMorali:
I'm sorry but arguing with you will be a complete waste of my time.

You pick a book over the Bible because it sounds "delicious" to your ears.

You accept everything written in the book of Judas but find it difficult to accept the books of the Bible.

We can go on and on, but I see that your mind is already fixated. You are in no frame of mind for objective discussion.

Good luck on your journey down the rabbit hole. I guess we all have to make that trip at last once in our life time.