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butterflylion:
At 10 I held no belief. Neither did I hold any at 19 years of age. My parents were core traditionalists so where you came about christian indoctrination is beyond me. My formerly tradionalist side is why I came to like someone like vaxx who I was once like.

vaxx weldone

butterflylion:
Its English I wrote and again you have a major problem with English.

When did "atheism hasn't had that much influence" translate to "atheism has STOPPED being an influence".

Eye dey pain you?

"Almost 300 million deaths attributed to atheist leaders" - butterfylion
is that not enough influence? are you waiting for us to kill the whole world? lol

butterflylion:
What a pity.

You have no idea what atheism has caused humanity. Look it up! Almost 300 million deaths attributed to atheist leaders and which caused the need for the origination of a word beyond genocide known as democide all thanks to atheism.

And this was even based on the current very small numbers of atheist adherents yet these atheist leaders murdered and killed humans within hundred years to the extent that all religious wars and world wars combined did not come close to that record.

Every DISCOVERY made by science is clear evidence to a higher intelligence called God.

__________ butterflylion.


Good thing you said DISCOVERED and not CREATED.

remind us how many people david, abraham, moses, caleb, joshua etc killed?

butterflylion:
What a pity.

You have no idea what atheism has caused humanity. Look it up! Almost 300 million deaths attributed to atheist leaders and which caused the need for the origination of a word beyond genocide known as democide all thanks to atheism.

And this was even based on the current very small numbers of atheist adherents yet these atheist leaders murdered and killed humans within hundred years to the extent that all religious wars and world wars combined did not come close to that record.

Every DISCOVERY made by science is clear evidence to a higher intelligence called God.

__________ butterflylion.


Good thing you said DISCOVERED and not CREATED.

thought you said atheism has no impact on humanity? lol.

dalaman:
You are a childish spinner.

Gods do not exist but people that believe Godshe exist are everywhere. It is these people we argue and debate with about what ever concept an idea of God they claim exist.

Just the other day you were celebrating that US moved it's embassy to Jerusalem as fulfillment of some divine order, you throw bible verses at people to show that them it is a divine book and not a book of Jewish mythology , I disagree that the bible is divine and will always show you that it remains a book of ancient Jewish mythology.

If people that believe in God stop talking about their God's openly, you won't see any atheist talking about any God.

Your constant attempt to make a case for a God that you claim exist as advertised shows that it exist only inside your head. No God that exist as advertised will ever depend on you to make any case for it.

That reality is what is hurting you badly.

summary. if god only exist because people talk about god. god cant exist on it's own. we dont argue with god, we argue with people.

Godpolymath:
so true,you need to see my mum casting and binding rats,wall gecko and other animals found in the house,it is funny ehnn

Abeg what is ancestral spirit i always hear pastor casting and destroying?

same with my mum. i recall the day i rescues one innocent bird she wanted to kill. the poor bird was still learning how to fly and she claimed it was a spirit or something. not on my watch. i rescued the poor bird, she was so angry with me.

butterflylion:
Sorry but I am not religious and you certainly cannot call "religion" out same way you cannot call "God" out.

according to who?

Once one does not exist then the other follows. If you say religion is a big influence in the society then its clear now that you are the one with a problem because atheism hasn't had that much influence on this scale so it must hurt

You will heal. Don't worry.

so atheism as stopped being an influence? lol. tot you guys always blamed atheism for problems in communist countries. lol

dalaman:
You are very emotionally attached to your beliefs and as such you always use emotions when talking about your beliefs. He can not talk about Zeus because he was not raised and forcefully indoctrinated to accept the Zeus mythology, he was raised and forcefully indoctrinated and made to accept the Jesus mythology, failure to do so he was told had dire consequences. It is that indoctrination and child abuse he is trying to undo by challenging the entire belief system. Since there is no God to challenge, he can only challenge those that believe in the concept of God he was indoctrinated with as a child.

If God exist we will have God and not arguments for or against. If God exist you will NEVER make any case for it. It will do that itself.

absolutely. we wont be talking about it.

butterflylion:
Stop being childish and pushing forward stale arguments.

How many unicorn or toothfairy threads have you opened?

as i have said before religion has a big influence on our society, would i leave that and talk about tooth fairies? is your problem the fact that we are calling religion out? dont be afraid. it would die a natural death. more people are getting to know and think

Godpolymath:
We have lost our identity,it is such a shame.

I know a good education can fix the problem,imagine biology teacher saying the world was created in 7 days!!!

the situation is worse. doctors and professors believe too. my dad had to go through a series of surgeries and it is funny how strong a christian he is and how he and mum spiritualize everything, yet god could not heal him, but science did.

Butterflyleo:
Here you are still talking about him. Does it matter who believes he exists? You certainly don't so how does their belief cause you so much passionate pain?

What part of your claim that God does not exist do you yet find difficult to accept?

just like unicorns, tooth fairies and what have you that children believe. right?

Butterflyleo:
But you also do not see evidence in reality to talk about this non existent God as if he existed YET YOU DO ALL DAY, EVERY DAY!

Who then is fooling who?

ohhh! i do. i see my family members talking and praying to this god. i live i a reality filled with talk about this god. but aside the talk, there is nothing that correlates with what this god is said to be. this god is as good as the toothfairy my little cousins talk about everytime yet no evidence of this tooth fairy in reality. but because of the influence of cable tv it is hard to tell them tooth fairies dont exist. so i have 8 cousins who still believe tooth fairies exist and they talk about it and sometimes i am forces to chip in a word or two when they do.

Butterflyleo:
Your evidence for the lack of existence of God should not come from what also says he exists. It should come from an independent source.

What is your evidence to the claim that God does not exist?

my evidence comes from reality. using reality to check what you claim is true. i see no evidence in reality that a god exists, not one that fits the description your book gives

Butterflyleo:
I could also say that you are the evidence that God exists because you are always talking about a God you already claimed does not exist.

Last time I checked, for something not to exist means it shouldn't even cross your mind at all not to even make you talk about it so passionately.

If God doesn't exist as you claim then you would not be constantly dwelling on him and talking about him.

Do you talk about orieegujakbfbdiebnans? You don't!

Why? It does not exist.
Savvy?

yh. i dont talk about it cos it does not exist. i talk about zeus as a fictional character, i could accept yahweh as a fictional character too, but problem starts when you tell me it is real yet nothing to show that it is real.

Butterflyleo:
Is it no longer the popular atheist jingle that atheism was the status quo? So the claim God does not exist to an atheist came first before God exists.

If you claim God was the invention of the human mind according to the video in your OP which you agree with then it means the God does not exist claim came first doesn't it?

So prove your claim simple

you say god exist. i say he does not exist.
why?
you say your god is all loving. i fail to see that evidence.
you say he is all powerful i dont see how it is all powerful.
you say he is all knowing. yet to see any prove this god is all knowing.
my prove you god does not exist lies in the fact that your god is none of what you or you bible says it is.

Butterflyleo:
You are the one who clearly needs an English teacher. Your words below verbatim.

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Show me how your comment suddenly now became



Are you confused?

yeah, something i dont believe exists. if you like sit on that since you have nothing meaning full to say in defence of your imaginary god

dalaman:
So God exist and it is him and lovemijeje that are telling you about it. The other day he was telling Frank that Jesus loves him endlessly. So Jesus a being we are told is alive and has greater abilities than butterflyleo exist, according to the tale we are told that he loves Frank endlessly and wants to be in a relationship with Frank but some how it is butterflyleo that is telling Frank about the endless love Jesus has for him.

These deluded guys don't think through the nonsense they spew before spewing it. If you call them deluded tthey'll start crying baa baa meh meh.

it takes a lot of endurance to be patient with them. the really dont think

dalaman:
You are the evidence that God does not exist. If any God exist you will NOT be telling us about it. It will tell us about itself. The fact that you are advocating for a God about its existence says it all. A God that supposedly exist and wants people to know that it exist will NOT rely on you to make ANY case for it. If a God exist and wants people to know that it exist as advertised people will know about its existence and every body will do that in the same way.



What is the difference between God and Gods?

knockout!
man is always the one speaking for god. fighting for god. acting for god. so much for a god that exists

Butterflyleo:
Sorry the burden of proof is with whoever makes any claim

Claim 1: God exists

Claim 2: God does not exist.

I am sure your next line of argument would be that one does not prove a negative right?

Well so you know, whenever anyone makes any claim it comes from a place of KNOWLEDGE and KNOWLEDGE can be proven. So with this you can prove your negative which states that God does not exist.

gods are different from God.

i only say god does not exist because there is already an existing claim that god exists. i am asking for that evidence.

why am i not asking for prove that thhdefeuodnbnd6ddekdohsdgdjsdkisdhdbdkdidhsksksishsnsksuishsjskushskslsishsj does not exist? because nobody has said it exists. so my doubt is founded on an existing premise. an i am saying that premise has no evidence.

Butterflyleo:
When did disbelieving in something translate to that thing not existing?

you need an English teacher. i said "something i dont believe exists" do you get it now?

AtYourCervix:
heaven only sounds nice when compared to the “eternal suffering” of hell. In a vacuum, heaven actually sounds pretty bleeping terrible. Of course, I’m dead wrong, because in order for heaven to be terrible it would actually have to exist.........

that is the gospel truth

AlfaSeltzer:
My state of being does not affect how Satan deals with me.

Back to topic.

Jazz is real. So was pregnant virgin; Mary, talking snakes and leviathan. Doubt at your own peril.

lol

luvmijeje:
You must prove God doesn't exist . Then I'll prove mine.

but let me stoop low for you. which of the gods is your god. i promise to prove it does not exist. just try and be specific so i know which god we are talking about

Butterflyleo:
You have time to hold this talk with hardmirror. The mere fact that you asked him to prove GOD DOES NOT EXIST and he began listing entities not being referenced by you shows you will only end up watching all you say fly over his head.

how can she be asking me to prove god does not exist? she is the one who knows god exists, so she should prove it. else i also have to prove all those gods i listed dont exist too. the burden of proof is with her who lays the claim that something exists

luvmijeje:
You must prove God doesn't exist . Then I'll prove mine.

burden of proof is not on me. it is on you who claim something exists. you cannot ask me to claim something i dont believe in does not exist. there are billions of things you dont know, and if i want you to believe they exist, then i must first give you prove they exist. it is your right not to believe until i can prove such exists. same for you, you cannot claim god exists if you hav no prove it exists. imagine people going about and asking you to prove their imaginations does not exist? that is dumb.

luvmijeje:
This is a better argument.

First of all prove God doesn't exist.

can you prove
Zeus
Hera
Poseidon
Demeter
Ares
Athena
Apollo
Artemis
Hephaestus
Aphrodite
Hermes
Dionysus
Hades
Hypnos
Nike
Janus
Nemesis
Iris
Hecate
Tyche dont exist?

luvmijeje:
This is a better argument.

First of all prove God doesn't exist.

after you prove gwagwa does not exist

Godpolymath:
Do you know when i was a christian i fear hell more than the desire to go to heaven...They use fear to control,i am sure most religious people,mostly Nigerians have no idea of the word eternity.

I saw the bible and other religious books as outdated,uncivilised books meant for people of dark ages..

But seeing billions of people still falling for the lies is the greatest mysteries.

there is nothing desirable in heaven. that is why no one wants to die, christians are not looking forward to the rapture. who wants an eternity of boredom and zombiesm

butterflyleo say me hi to vaxx or what is that accnt again ?

i am an individual, dont need seun or Hawkin or dawkin. dont make that mistake with me, i know it is your popular tactic to pin our believes with people you perceive to be authorities to atheists. i think for myself, seun and the rest say things i dont agree with, we are not common, we are individuals

dalaman:
He believes in a God that is an IDEA and a CONCEPTION of HUMAN beings. It is this IDEA that he is always trying to explain and rationalize everyday here, yet he still wants to berate an atheist for having a perception of God when all he has is a perception of an IDEA that humans created and decided to label it as God.

unfortunately he lacks the capacity to understand

dalaman:
What is the reality of God and how did you personally get to know about this reality. How can this "reality" be demonstrated to be real?

expect him to start foaming like a rabid dog. no be butterfly wey we don know for ages?

luvmijeje:
You are confusing yourself. You shouldn't have dabble into this by opening a thread if you're not convicted.

This is your words



For you to compare God to an Atheist, it simply means you believe in the existence of God. You can't compare something that exists with something that you believe doesn't exist.

The speaker is foolish for comparing something that exists with something he believes doesn't exist.

I don't want to say you are foolish like him for opening this thread.

The basis for comparison is flawed.

This is waste of my time.

oh really? God exists? prove it