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Foreign AffairsRe: Colombia President Caves, Sends Presidential Jet To Bring Deportees From U.S. Af by HardMirror(m): 7:09am On Jan 27, 2025
SeeWahala:
Better. At least they will be repatriated back to their country with dignity unlike how trump sent them home on cargo planes with handcuffs
they deserve to be handcuffed. Entering a country without permission is illegal. They are criminals for entering illegally.
PoliticsRe: TRUMP WINS! Columbia President Agrees To Take Deported Citizens Immediately by HardMirror(op): 7:06am On Jan 27, 2025
Shedrack777:
What will happen to Nigerians being deported? I want to see whether the fg will also refuse them landing same as others
it is madness for any country to refuse receiving their deported citizens. Total madness. It doe not matter how they are deported, a country must accept it's citizens.
PoliticsTRUMP WINS! Columbia President Agrees To Take Deported Citizens Immediately by HardMirror(op): 7:02am On Jan 27, 2025
Breaking news!
After the Columbian government reduced US flights returning their citizens, Trump issued very serious tariffs and sanctions against Columbia.

Under 40minutes later the Columbian President has made a U-turn. He is not only ready to take his citizens back, but also ready to use his presidential jets to pick them up from the United States. This will save the US logistic costs of deporting illegal Colombian immigrants.

https://m.economictimes.com/news/international/global-trends/in-a-u-turn-columbia-decides-to-send-plane-to-bring-deported-nationals-after-us-slaps-sanctions/articleshow/117587851.cms

Foreign AffairsRe: 8 Mansions Of Ukranian Generals Burned Down In Los Angeles Fires (Photos) by HardMirror(m): 5:49pm On Jan 12, 2025
ajebuter:
God cannot be mocked

Real Ukrainians are being ravaged by war, poverty and hopelessness

Zelensky and his thieving Generals are busy enriching themselves with monetary aids for US, Canada and big G countries

E remain thieving Russians Generals too
God cannot be mocked? God is already mocked. Else why did God not stop the war and save all the people who died in the war? So because 3 pieces of houses burnt, you think your god has done something wonderful. You religious people are so funny
Foreign AffairsRe: Elon Musk Wins! Court Says He Can Continue Giving Out $1m To Voters by HardMirror(op): 10:44am On Nov 07, 2024
God1000:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eWozI5BBKg
This was two days before the election


I understand you man, but you must be joking If you think Donald trump will stop supporting israel with more deadly bombs

I know politicians can be cunning, they say things to get votes, but make no mistake, trump will do worse to Palestinians, I hope he will prove me wrong.

At the bolded, what exactly do you want her to say? It is not in her own interest to openly criticize israel during the campaign, some things are better left unsaid, but I believe she has a better plan for Palestinians

Some people are even saying that she lost because she spoke against israel

whether democrat or republican, no American politician will ever criticize israel openly during election campaign, you need to understand US-israel relations and the reason she had to play both sides
while u agree with you. I read a lot of your posts during this election and could not believe the things you were saying on behalf of harris. The woman is a no no. It is unfortunate but the Palestinians are fu.cked either way.

Only person speaking now that I am proud of is Macron the french president
Foreign AffairsRe: Elon Musk Wins! Court Says He Can Continue Giving Out $1m To Voters by HardMirror(op): 8:55am On Nov 07, 2024
LordReed:
Republicans have started acting like African politicians; using money to buy votes, intimidating voters, violence against poll workers and stealing/destroying ballots. Very sad.
democrats are no better. I can present a lot of evil that party does, but no need.

Glad that fake as woman is sent packing. Next time the democrats should give us an intelligent woman of color not this idiot that only reads from the teleprompter.
I really have a lot i could say about the democratic party. The mainstream media and kamala but no need.
Trump won against all odds and that is what matters to me now.
Foreign AffairsRe: Elon Musk Wins! Court Says He Can Continue Giving Out $1m To Voters by HardMirror(op): 8:51am On Nov 07, 2024
God1000 when you stood for the rights of Palestinians, i thought you were a guy that could think. I thought you were smart and had values. But when you started supporting kamala senselessly, you confirmed that your brain was upside down.
People watch too much cnn and msnbc that is why they cant differentiate fantasy from reality.

Many of us support Palestine but we realize that kamala was just a professional politician. The worst kind. The lowest iq type. She ran 2 different adverts. One where she supported Palestine and one where she said she would give isreal full support. She is a chameleon that would say and do anything just to be voted. A pathetic natural liar.
She was never going to stop funding isreal. She said it herself.
Foreign AffairsRe: Elon Musk Wins! Court Says He Can Continue Giving Out $1m To Voters by HardMirror(op): 8:14pm On Nov 06, 2024
Putinofrussia:
Vote buying for trump who will lose.
He has already lost the election just like Iowa slipped off him.
you see say you be mumu. None of the mumu thibgs you said happened
Foreign AffairsElon Musk Wins! Court Says He Can Continue Giving Out $1m To Voters by HardMirror(op): 4:14pm On Nov 05, 2024
Elon Musk's political group can keep awarding $1m (£722,000) to voters in swing states, a judge has ruled.

The giveaway by Mr Musk's America PAC is set to end on Tuesday, and the final recipient has already been determined, a lawyer for the billionaire said in a court hearing on Monday.

In a surprising turn, the lawyer revealed that people receiving the money have not been chosen randomly in a lottery-style contest, as many believed, but were selected by the group.

Philadelphia District Attorney Lawrence Krasner had sued to stop what he called an "an illegal lottery" after Musk announced he would give the money to one voter in a swing state each day until Election Day.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crlnjzzk919o

AutosRe: Rest In Peace Gazuzz by HardMirror(m): 9:38am On Oct 15, 2024
Hard to believe Gazzuzz is gone.
Rip brother.
You were one of the few good ones on this forum
PoliticsRe: Dagote Refinery Can NEVER Crash Dollar To Naira. FG Gains From FX --This is why by HardMirror(op): 10:38am On Sep 20, 2024
Iamanoited:
WE ALL SEEM CONFUSED ON DOLLAR/NAIRA RATE NOW.
WHAT SHALL WE DO WHEN "TECOINS" ENTERS?
TECOINS IS TRUMP ELON CRYPTO CURRENCY KNOCKING AT THE DOOR RIGHT NOW.
bots
PoliticsRe: Dagote Refinery Can NEVER Crash Dollar To Naira. FG Gains From FX --This is why by HardMirror(op): 7:26am On Sep 18, 2024
leokid866:
and they told you crude oil sales is the only thing we have going for us to generate FX? Crude oil is the only thing we have going for us ba? Better sit and reason properly.......
who ever liked your stupid post is an idiot just like you
PoliticsRe: Dagote Refinery Can NEVER Crash Dollar To Naira. FG Gains From FX --This is why by HardMirror(op): 7:24am On Sep 18, 2024
It's 2 weeks after now. Hope you guys are seeing how Dangote refinery is making petrol cheap and Dollar rate go down. Lol.
leokid866:
stop lying your stance was it is our only source of fx.....then you went and posted the link like an idiot proud of his ignorance ......seems like you managed to get small sense now you're trying to wiggle like a small rat......also think long and hard in that rat brain of yours why a government would want to keep the dollar value high against its own currency just so they can make small change.....when they know if they strengthen their currency it will allow them afford more in the international market and increased inflow of FX will give them just about the same amount of money even if the price is lower......
Even dangote is being paid in dollars not naira. Fx has gone up over 100 naira in the last 3 weeks
PoliticsNo Amount Of Local Refinery Can Solve Dollar Rate. UNDERSTAND THIS! by HardMirror(op): 8:06am On Sep 07, 2024
Today the exchange rate is almost N100 higher than it was just last week.
CBN JUST SUPPLIED BDCS AT N1580.

They said dangote will bring more FX and solve about 40% of our FX problems.

I van list a lot of reasons why FX will never get better, but i will gove you only one reason.

What the government is not telling you is that they CANNOT go down on spending. Right now they have a lot of places where they wish to get billions of dollars in loans juust to spend.
If we gain 40% more FX, then we will also have 40% more government spending. NOTHING CHANGES.

There is difference between politics and economics. Most positive news you read and promises are just politics. The reality is the government cannot afford a lower naira to dollar exchange rate.

This is not even about economic sabotage, the FG itself and state governors want more and more money. Saving 40% with dangote is not even enough for them to spend. Therefore exchange rate will remain in at this rate or get worse.
PoliticsRe: Dagote Refinery Can NEVER Crash Dollar To Naira. FG Gains From FX --This is why by HardMirror(op): 1:28pm On Sep 05, 2024
Ttalk:
He is more practical than you do. Seems you are getting angry already with comment trashing your point.

Where does Nigeria gets dollar to create ECA
thanks. This is the truth no one is considering. Government’s priorities are bot the same as the masses, they only play lip service to issues they think sounds politically correct.
Dangote refinery or not, the high exchange rate has indeed come to stay.

They more fx they get, the more they expand their spending.
Governors are getting the highest allocation in Nigeria's history. We have the lagest budget in Nigeria's history.
This is how it will continue
PoliticsRe: Dagote Refinery Can NEVER Crash Dollar To Naira. FG Gains From FX --This is why by HardMirror(op): 1:24pm On Sep 05, 2024
Ttalk:
He is more practical than you do. Seems you are getting angry already with comment trashing your point.

Where does Nigeria gets dollar to create ECA
funny thing is, he just posted that he agrees with what i said. Have a nice day.
PoliticsRe: Dagote Refinery Can NEVER Crash Dollar To Naira. FG Gains From FX --This is why by HardMirror(op): 8:07am On Sep 05, 2024
adanny01:
I think you miss a point. You need to understand how the value of one currency is converted to another. Its is actually from the strength of the economy supporting both currency.

Imagine a situation where the dollar has lost value that those who hold dollars in Nigeria are loosing its value every day. Imagine at the same time zero import. Imagine zero school fees abroad, no medical tourism or travelling. All these mean the dollar will be useless in Nigeria. It means everyone will prefer to hold Naira. In that case naira is stronger than dolar.

Whats the actual case, we import nearly everything. The worst thing is that, the entire forex Nigeria earns in a day, nearly 40% of it is used to import petroleum products and another say 30% is used to pay subsidy or the new shortfall.

This means that over half of Nigeria's FX income is spent right back to get petrol etc. It doesn't even reach CBN.

The balance is what NNPC gives CBN. The demand for dollar in Nigeria for other imports, contracts, foreign services, fx reserve, budget etc is what causes scarcity of the dollar. Demand and supply now takes over, the higher the demand for dollars, the weaker the Naira.

Check this out. If CBN decides to give BDCs $1billion today, tomorrow morning, Naira will gain value. If CBN does that for the next 1yr, that's $365billion, Naira will be stronger than the dollar, but we cant because CBN doesn't have that kind of money.

So that's where local refining comes in. For CBN to get more money, we need to cut down on the demand for dollars. We extract our crude, sell to Dangote in Naira, pay him to refine, supply Nigerians in Naira. We essentially bypass dollars and the errors of the exchange rate, we dont pay freight for crude to and from foreign refineries, we dont pay any duties, profits or any such to another country. This means we have saved a lot just by dealing in Naira.

That means whatever percentage of fx that we earn and spend on petroleum resources has just gone into the wind. The real effect is say we produce 600m barrels of crude, send 300m barrels to malta for refining to get back 40m barrels of petrol, local refining may cost 200m barrels for the same quantity of petrol. Now we save 100m barrels of crude to sell 400m barrels and CBN gets more than before. This dollars saved is going to remove some dollar demand etc.
while you took time to make sense. Nigeria governance is not theory, it is reality.
This is the reality: THE MORE FX FG GENERATES, THEY MORE THEY WILL SPEND. THERE WILL NEVER BE ANYTHING LIKE EXCESS. BECAUSE THEY SPEND MORE AND MORE, IT WOULD NOT MATTER THAT THEY SAVE ANYTHING.
PoliticsRe: Dagote Refinery Can NEVER Crash Dollar To Naira. FG Gains From FX --This is why by HardMirror(op): 8:04am On Sep 05, 2024
leokid866:
how does this help your point? Or for your mind you believe NNPC is our only FX generator to base forex flows solely on them?
if not for stupidity, you wont type this rubbish. What is the Nigerian annual budget based on? Is it not on crude price and FX from NNPC? Or you are too young to know this?
PoliticsRe: Dagote Refinery Can NEVER Crash Dollar To Naira. FG Gains From FX --This is why by HardMirror(op): 8:02am On Sep 05, 2024
leokid866:
how does this help your point? Or for your mind you believe NNPC is our only FX generator to base forex flows solely on them?
what a ignorant statement. NNPC does not have to be the only source of Fx, it only has to be the major source of fx to have such impact.
People like you and Helinues talk without common sense. I have explained my point and somehow i am being proven right.

Bill gates just brought up the issue of low tax in Nigeria. I said the same thing yesterday here. Helinues hope you are paying attention?

Dollar is now N1625. Pay attention. Nigeria has a unique economy and the way our government works is unique.

Fg wants this high exchange rate. it is strategic. If they tell you otherwise, it is just politics.
PoliticsRe: Dagote Refinery Can NEVER Crash Dollar To Naira. FG Gains From FX --This is why by HardMirror(op): 12:54pm On Sep 04, 2024
SpaceX:
With this money will dry up from the masses which isn't good for the economy
taxes not good for the economy? You mistake economy for cost of living. They are not the same. The government only plays lip service to cost of living for political purposes. It is good for the government when interest rates and taxes are high. It is also good for a government like that of Nigeria when FX rate is high.

Stop thinking government is emotional. It is the masses that feel the pain not government.
PoliticsRe: Dagote Refinery Can NEVER Crash Dollar To Naira. FG Gains From FX --This is why by HardMirror(op): 12:51pm On Sep 04, 2024
Helinues, what you seem to conviniently forget is that we run the country on a budget and that budget is based on pegged to an exchange rate and also pegged to an estimated crude oil rate? Now what do you think the CBN plans for to be favourable to funding this budget when all expenditures would be paid in naira? If you can answer this, then you will understand all You need to know
PoliticsRe: Dagote Refinery Can NEVER Crash Dollar To Naira. FG Gains From FX --This is why by HardMirror(op): 12:43pm On Sep 04, 2024
Georgry:
Is he going to pay tax in dollars? He's going to pay in Naira, the only way it can favour Nigeria is if Dangote is selling fuel in Naira which means all those countries will have to buy our Naira with their dollars before they buy from Dangote, anything short of that wouldn't make much impact imo!
no country will buy anything from Nigeria with Naira. This is a FACT. Have you heard of BRICS before? For over 20 years with intensive effort, they are yet to break the global dollar trade. The system needed for a naira enabled multinational trade is a lot more complex than most people imagine. It is not going to happen.
PoliticsRe: Dagote Refinery Can NEVER Crash Dollar To Naira. FG Gains From FX --This is why by HardMirror(op): 12:34pm On Sep 04, 2024
SpaceX:
Why don't they just print the naira since all the need is the currency?
which will cause inflation. Why i said only solution at this point is high tax and higher interest rate
PoliticsRe: Dagote Refinery Can NEVER Crash Dollar To Naira. FG Gains From FX --This is why by HardMirror(op): 12:25pm On Sep 04, 2024
SpaceX:
The job of a government is not to pay salaries but create policies and structures for free market to strive so when the exchange rate affects the masses it's a negative to the government it means people are not doing well in life.

When there are policies and structures in place for free market it's create productivity which with time improves prosperity for people.
you are speaking theory. They need to pay salaries and distribute allocations. They have a budget to execute all paid with limited dollars they generate but they are doing all these in naira. Now you think CBN is ready to fund these expenditures at a lower exchange rate?
PoliticsRe: Dagote Refinery Can NEVER Crash Dollar To Naira. FG Gains From FX --This is why by HardMirror(op): 12:22pm On Sep 04, 2024
helinues:
Was the tax there before?
so no tax?
PoliticsRe: Dagote Refinery Can NEVER Crash Dollar To Naira. FG Gains From FX --This is why by HardMirror(op): 12:12pm On Sep 04, 2024
helinues:
Is he not going to pay tax?
qhat is the percentage
PoliticsRe: Dagote Refinery Can NEVER Crash Dollar To Naira. FG Gains From FX --This is why by HardMirror(op): 12:11pm On Sep 04, 2024
helinues:
What led to Dangote's earlier noise if not because of increase in tax and also cancelling of some tax waivers given to him by the previous government
only a high tax can make it easy for CBN. The rest is just politcs
PoliticsRe: Dagote Refinery Can NEVER Crash Dollar To Naira. FG Gains From FX --This is why by HardMirror(op): 11:59am On Sep 04, 2024
helinues:
With the Dangote refinery, don't you think our ports would also become a choice of destination for the neighbouring countries which some of the goods we are importing would be more closer bye which would reduce the price?
Let's be honest with ourselves. Only a higher taxation will bring the exchange rate down in a managable manner for CBN to manage. The main issue is, CBN cannot afford an exchange rate that will put presure on the naira supply.
PoliticsRe: Dagote Refinery Can NEVER Crash Dollar To Naira. FG Gains From FX --This is why by HardMirror(op): 11:08am On Sep 04, 2024
leokid866:
you have no understanding of economics and I pity whoever has their money in your hands.....
https://businessday.ng/news/article/nnpcs-naira-profit-masks-dollar-decline/

PoliticsRe: Dagote Refinery Can NEVER Crash Dollar To Naira. FG Gains From FX --This is why by HardMirror(op): 10:24am On Sep 04, 2024
helinues:
Even if he sells in dollars, that would ease the pressure on dollar demand in Nigeria and bring surplus which would make Naira to gain strength
the government does not need naira to gain strength. It is the masses that are feeling the need because we want things to be cheaper.
Japan also does the same thing. A weaker local currency is always good for the government especially one that earns in dollars.
PoliticsRe: Dagote Refinery Can NEVER Crash Dollar To Naira. FG Gains From FX --This is why by HardMirror(op): 10:22am On Sep 04, 2024
Starboytwo:
pls this is an interesting debate that concerns everybody, could you let the two gentleman helinues/hard mirror have a decent debate pls? Don't derail, I use God beg you..

I have many questions since this Dangote thing came on board. One of the questions is being tackled here, pls, let see from different mouth and opinions. Abeg. No abuse, no trolling, but good and concise debate.

Thanks.
I appreciate your genuine interest.
It is simple. Never in Nigeria's history has the exchange rate every been reversed in favour of the naira. Naira depreciation did not start today, even when the 3 refineries were working, the naira was losing value gradually.
You have to understand that the Nigeria situation is unique and those in government see things a lot different from the masses.
As much as we keep feeling things are getting worse, it is not always the case from the government's perspective.

I am from Osun state and i follow the mt state's politics and governance closely.

Right now, Apc is unhappy that Adeleke is getting huge allocations no other governor has ever gotten. It is same with all states. They are generating more money from the exchange rate.
It is same reason Nigeria customs fix their own exchange rate too and always come out with record breaking revenue generated.
Devaluation of the naira is profitable to the government in MANY ways and DANGOTE refinery will NOT reverse it. CBN will be heavily challenged to cope with supplying the government with funds because salaries are not paid in US dollars they are paid in Naira. If Dollar value should crash, it would destroy all the money they want to spend which is already calculated in Naira including salaries.

Other countries WILL not pay DANGOTE in naira, they will pay in USD. We sell crude oil in USD.
All our exports are done in USD. The high exchange rate means they have more naira to spend.

It is the masses that feel the hardship of high exchange rate, but for the government, it is a good thing.
PoliticsRe: Dagote Refinery Can NEVER Crash Dollar To Naira. FG Gains From FX --This is why by HardMirror(op): 9:04am On Sep 04, 2024
helinues:
Stop the referring, engage this with your own understanding about it. Don't refer to any news paper.

Could you?
read my explanation above. It is the 2nd post. At least i explained properly for anyone with common sense. It is you the masses that are affected negatively by the exchange rate. For the FG it is good and the states are enjoying higher allocations in naira than ever before in Nigeria's history.

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