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Beyonce's mother is not white. She's, like my grandmother and many other African-Americans, a Tri-racial African-American; a mixture of white, black and Native American(American Indian). The general mixture racial is half-black, 1/4 white and 1/4 American-Indian. She's of Cation background and large sectors of the African-American Cation population are Tri-racial. Every American can look at her and tell right away that she's not white.

This is her mother; dose she look white to you? If so, then you must also think that a pretty large number of the African-American population is also white; like my mother, father, and pretty much all the rest of my family. We all have portions of white, black, and native mixtures in us from some point in time.

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carmelily:
Let's not lose sight of the point of this debate here. commonsense should tell us that a whole mind-boggling 60% of African Americans cannot possibly be of Igbo descent like the poster claims here. And I SERIOUSLY doubt that all these celebs are of Igbo descent. Real funny. absurd. bizarre. unfounded. laughable. ludicrous. ridiculous.

You seem to be in the same boat in regard to having lost light of what this discussion was based on. I didn't say that 60% of AA were simply of Igbo descent but rather 60% of us are of majority Igbo descent. Majority so does not equate to being wholly so as it seems you are suggesting that I've stated. Common sense should tell you that in which evidence is telling you and most, if not all, of the LESS LIBERALIZED studies are showing that AA are in fact amongst the least tribally amalgamated groups slave descendants in the west.

We are believed to be majoritively made up of only 10 African ethnic groups, and out of them the Igbo were the most prominent in number followed by an Angolan ethnic group and then following not too distant in number behind them was a particular Senegabian group. After that, the numbers amongst the remaining groups were very small in comparison to the other three mentioned.

12 million africans were sold into slavery, all of them were from a total of 45 african ethnic groups from 29 countries. are we saying that almost 8 million of those slaves were of the Igbo ethnic group alone? How plausible is that?

Your numbers are way off here. It was just over 12Million who were believed to have survived the journey to the Americas after having been sold off to the Europeans, though in total number nearly 3 times as many were actually sold off to them and out of that only 12Mill survived the journeys across the ocean. Now remember that that is 12Mill as a whole in which was brought to the AMERICAS and not just the US. Brazil and the Caribbean received by far the largest number of slaves.

Brazil alone received half of them at nearly 6.3Million, and the Caribbean Islands took in around 3.5Million; these numbers are far, far, far more than what the US took in. The US took in only an estimated total of 550,000 Africans while the remainder of the Americas took in the rest. Now one must ask why was it that the US despite its large swaths of land and need to develop it did they not import just as many Africans as Brazil and the Caribbean.

Well, it was because the Americans were extremely selective about which slaves they wanted, while the Caribbean and South American owners were not so selective in that they ran a system in where for the most part, your average slave would survive no longer than 10 years after getting off the slave ships and into the plantations. With such high death rates, they couldn't afford to be picky. The Americans ran a restoration and or preservation system, if you will, this system was designed to work the slaves just enough to get the job needed done done, though not so hard as to rapidly kill them off like the situation was like in the Caribbean and South America. This in the long run saved them money by allowing the small number of slaves they acquired to grow themselves.

Early in the process the Americans observed the slave population in the well established Caribbean and South American plantations and through this observation they made determining decisions on what particular Ethnic groups would work best in their North American environment and American slave system; they first started out with a tiny group of Angolans from 2 different ethnic distinctions, they started out with Angolans first because it was a group of about 35 Angolan slaves in which were first brought the American's first successfully establish settlement of James Town in about 1609 upon a Dutch ship, and Angolans were heavily numbered amongst those slaves who were settled in the Spanish settlement of Augustina in Florida started some 75 years prior to the foundering of James town.

In about 1610 major Ethnic rivalry broke out in the area in what is today South Eastern Nigeria and the area in were Senegal and Gambia now lye. Waring conflict generates war prisoners, and a mass of refugees and refugees are easy pickings for slave catching profiteers. By 1613 4 major slave ports were established along the bight of Biafria and Benin coastline and in time nearly 1/4 of all the surviving slaves to have been brought to the Americas would be exported out of this region, via the profiteering greed of very wealthy and power African priest known as Aros who ran the trading of slaves from the bush and battle fields into the hands of the Europeans with an Iron fist all along the West African coast.

The Igbo with their loosely unified governing structure and docile military uniformity made for apparent easy picking for the ruthless and very powerful Aros who earlier in the 1600's and lat 1500's had a fall out with the Aro over their (Igbo) trading/marketing operations along the coastal villages in which cut into the Aro's Profits. This situation led the Aro to use their influence within the coastal region to spread disastrous rumors about the Igbo marketeers in the region much the same way the Nazi's did with the Jews in Germany. This wasn't hard to do the Igbo case much like the German Jew case, in that their were already reverberating feelings about Igbo profiteering/high marketing presence in the region already amongst the Native ethnic groups to the areas, all it really took was a spark to set off the teetering volatile situation.

The Aro, set off that spark, and along with it provided the funds, weapons and guidance to eliminated the Igbo from the region, and push them all back into the hinterlands. Swaths of native ethnics turned on the Igbo in the region and began refusing to by their goods, and later this action lead to wide spread acts of actual physical violence against the Igbo community in the are, in which lead to retaliatory acts against coastal Ethics presiding in Igboland, then in little time full blown war broke out between the two lands, and the Europeans were right their to sign contracts with the Aro slime to bring in ship loads of Igbo captives to the newly established slave ports for big profits.

The European bargained off cannon and guns galore to coastal tribes who under the guidance of the Aro used them to Haul in loads of Igbo captives, and some others, like the Ibibio who aided the Igbo. The Portuguese were the first ones on the scene to take advantage of the freshly obtained slaves, they began hauling slaves out of the region first, taking them to mostly South America, though at the time there also was a high demand for new batches of slaves in Haiti and so the Portuguese took swathes of them their as well.

At around this same time the Americans began making their journey to the Caribbean to obtain better understanding of which slaves would work best for their system, and in observing these loads of freshly shipped in Igbo and learning about where they come from and skills they possess, along with fitness, they figured that they would be very ideal for their system. Some where bought their in Haiti and brought to the Virginia where their they were put to the test of the American system in which they passed with flying colors, and plans were soon put in place via connection with the Dutch to have loads more brought in in that they figured that they would use the Igbo as the keystone of their Agrarian and Urban development.

Thirdly, you are mistaking in regard to your country and ethnic group differentials, in that you are forgetting that at that time their were no nations as we now them today on the African continent. Igboland, for instance, at that time extended well into what is today Cameroon. Many Cameroonians are actually of full and or significant Igbo descent. Hundreds of thousands of Igbos actually live in Cameroon and are not descendants of Nigerian Igbos. They are the descendant of those Igbos who lived on the Cameroonian side of the line drawn up by the Europeans in Berlin when they began cutting the continent up into Colonies, and in the mids of this, native established nations like Igboland were intermittently cut in half.

One half of Igboland went to the Brits, and became part of their Nigerian Colony and the other went to the Germans and became part of their Cameroon Colony. This type of thing happened all over the continent, so you CAN NOT inject todays national borderlines in Africa in this discussion when speaking of were particular tribes were taken from, because where many of them are known to be primarily today is not the same as were they were primarily know to be from back then.

As a matter of fact, only 14.6%l of the slaves taken from africa to the americas (as a whole!) were from nigeria, cameroun, Gabon and Equitorial Guinea. Meaning Nigeria had just a fraction of the 14.6%, and the Igbo ethnic group, a fraction of that fraction of the 14.6%. vous comprehendez? 60%? pardon me, just can't stop giggling

LOL. That is hilariously false information. I don't know where you got it from, but you need to throw whatever source it did come from in the trash, TODAY!!. Nearly 20% came from out of the bight of Biafra alone my friend, most were Igbo though not all; many Ibibio, Kalabari, Efik and others in time were also taken. Now that's just that regional area; the Delta area and the western ports have not been included. In total over 1/3 and nearly 2/5 of all slaves taken to the Americas actually came from NIGERIA alone. Then and still to this day Nigeria had and still maintains the largest population on the continent by far, and as we all know, the rule of marketing is balanced on the laws of supply and demand. The Americas needed alot of slaves and the current Nigerian regional ethnic groups had a alot of people. So where do you think the Europeans would naturally go to most often to mean their demands? This aint rocket science folks.

Brazil took in over 6.3 Mill slaves and it's Afro population has been historically known to be heavily influenced by Yoruba, Igbo, Hausa and other Nigerian ethnic customs. How do you think this has become to be. Well, it is so because of that 6.3 Mill slaves taken there over 3Mill are believed to have come from Nigeria. Why do you think the presence of Igbo customs in Haiti are so prevalent? It's because hundreds of thousands of Igbo were taken there. Why is it that it is the Igbos presence here in the US that can be most easily traced and seen today?

It's because just less than 2/3 of the slaves brought here were Igbo. Now remember that only about 550,000 slaves were ever brought here, so 2/3 is only about 183,300 Igbo. Brazil and Haiti took in multiple times that amount a piece.

First of all, I'm not Exponent, there are a couple of threads on here in where he and I had some differences on topics. Secondly, Seun is probably laughing at you'all for taking his post-- in which are obviously meant to stir you guys up, so seriously. I know I am. I think it's sad and showing of you few's immaturity.

lazy:
Everytime I provide proof, you provide pictures (too many) and then you leave the conversation.

Lies, all lies. I've provided plenty of documented proof in which you and other always claim as being "not from a credible enough source" for your liking. Well I can't help you there. Either you believe the information I post up or you don't. That's all to it. You complain about my pictures; yet don't you acknowledge the well known understanding of that a picture speak a thousand words? Well I've posted up many comparison pictures and thus in turn have possibly spoken whole trilogies worth of document proof in doing so.

lazy:
Do we have to go through this again <shaking my head> LOL!

Are you going to deny it again, and if so--- do you have proof to back yourself up this time?

londoner:
@Isiolo, I wasn't being sarcastic at all.

If you are going to claim that Somalia is free of Arab cultural pollution, then you have to totally ignore the massive influence of Islam in Somalia.

You are correct, its not the point of the thread. I don't know about Somali communty in Nigeria, but I do know this, it will serve you well not to look down your nose at Nigerians because of their colonial past when you get there.

Absolutely. Also I've heard that Somali illegals were amongst the ones behind the misfit copy cat "Taliban" assaults carried out last year in Northern Nigeria in which were rather quickly stomped out by the Nigerian military. As Nigeria continues to make its way into advancing its economic and social status-- I'll be rather worry of some of these folks who are attempting to stream in from many of these rather radical nations Like Somalia, Sudan and Lybia, in that I feel that they may cause them problems down the road. Problems of the Terroristic type as many of them appear to be extreme puppets/slaves of the Arabians.

dreeldee:
i guess you must be Ibo

He just might be. He is an African-American after all, and the majority of us are of significant Igbo descent if not fully so for many.

EXPONENT:
NO!

I can ONLY tell that you are from Africa.

However,

There are some ugly aZZ yourba's[sic] in Amerikka - and you can tell those big headed nigerians a mile away.

Funny, but question? Weren't you the the same dude that was on me about how I, supposedly, speak negatively about the Yoruba? Did you have a change of heart?

londoner:
So you consider Islam to be an indigenous Somali religion then?

Never heard that one before, though I do know that some do consider Judaism to be so.

Isiolo:
Somalis and Ethiopians in general see themselves as being Black people, but different from other Sub-Saharan Africans. You have to understand, there is a massive barrier between Somalis/Ethiopians and other Sub-Saharan Africans in terms of geography. We are as distant in terms of geography and culture as the Arabs and Berbers are to Sub-Saharan Africans. But obviously, Somalis/Ethiopians consider themselves Black, but the definition of that word gets watered down according to the individual whom you are speaking to. I know I am a Black-African and I am very proud to have membership in that group.

And no matter what the critics say, Somalia & Ethiopia are the only pure Black nations in Africa. Free of European/Arab genetic or cultural pollution.

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@ part in bold.

Humm, I don't know if you were joking or not with that comment, though if you were serious in stating that, then I must say that I find it very odd that you would state such a thing. As far as I know, it's quit a popular thing for Ethiopians and Somalis, Eretrians and Sudanese as well, to make it know rather quickly in such discussion that they are mixed with some form of Semite and or Italian mixture in which they absolutely are convinced they all have with the exception of those who they claim are fake Ethiopians simply because they don't posses the swerve hair, narrowed nose and dimmed skin complexion.

Now on the many occasions that I've brought up this topic in regard to how I could decifer trabal differences amongst Nigerian I was called all kinds of names and my words were claimed as being not credible despite having given many examples. Now that one your fellow Nigerians says the same exact thing all of you jump on the band waggon and start agreeing. I find this very comical. Anyway, carry on Lads.

girl22:
my people don't eva glorify not being educated .how the hell does someone run 5 successful businesses when they neither read nor write unless they dealing in illegal substances running a brothel or sumthin of the like


i did not glorify being uneducated. i said black people made it though they weren't and didn't have proper access to education. despite the fact they were deprived of these opportunities they still survived.
i if you would READ, I said my cousin runs five business and never stepped foot in a school meaning (college).
He just has good business sense. He bought a house rented it out. saved up some money to buy some more property ect.

Exactly.

Isiolo:
Hello. This is an old topic, but I was surfing this forum and I found this to be interesting. I don't know if you still post here, but you'll find this shall you need it.

I am a fellow Somali so I could help in this department. I don't know the number of Somalis in Nigeria, but I know quite a few who recently went to Lagos. They are there for business and it is a good place to be.

I lived in Kenya for quite some time, and you most likely did as well - or South Africa, and neither place is friendly to foreign business competition which is a bit f-cked up. In Nigeria, you will find that vastly different. They don't care who you are, if you have business to offer they will accept it. If I get to do study abroad, that will be my first African destination.

Here I come, Lagos 2009.

Hello, I'm a Black-American guy and would like to ask you if it's true that most Somalians and Ethiopians do not consider themselves to be blacks? I've heard this mentioned alot, is it true?

EXPONENT:
lol!!!

Damn, it's the absolute truth. I'm not saying they're gay, or even that it's a widely practiced thing amongst them, but rather that I've seen it happening enough times to give me very questioning thoughts about their outlook on sexuality. Even my wife, who is Nigerian American by the way, made the comment of "ew, that's so gay" upon witnessing such strange behavior amongst these Nigerian guys, speaking in regard to our standards.