₦airaland Forum

iwonbaoko: 1.Factually.
I do not agree that Alaafin approved establishment of Awujale of "Ijebuland" . In reality the word "land" is not Yoruba and there is no such thing as a "de facto" Ijebuland any more than there is a Yorubaland. Those eulogies are used for other Obas as well
2. Everything you say about the "authority" of the Alaafin stems from force or capacity for violence in a particular era. So to talk of superiority is like talking about superiority between Abacha and Babangida. Neither of them had any right to rule and there is no historical,canonical or spiritual basis for Oyo supremacy FOR ALL TIME. Empires come and empires go.Once the Romans ruled the world or most of it as did the British and now the Americans. In short the man with the biggest sword or gun in any era is king.
In all likelihood Ibadan which is a baby,historically speaking, was a bigger force at the time of colonization and was poised to be the dominat force in the area.

More important is the word "Yoruba". That word means a very different thing today from what it meant during the Oyo empire. The very fact that Oyo is considered "empire" tells the whole story. Ijebus,Egbas,Ekitis,Ondos etc were NOT Yoruba Yes they considered themselves Omo Odua and spoke mutually intelligible languages but then so did the biblical Israelites(in relation to Abraham) and many of their neighbours with whom they had endless wars. Often it is a mistake to assume that because peoples speak a language and have similar customs they are one. Much of Northern Nigeria today speaks Hausa and are Muslims but that is the purpose and intention of empire and colonization.

In my life I have encountered Ekiti and Ijebu people(now deceased) who would specifically refer to Ara Oke as (Yoruba) They would never refer to themselves as such nor even to their language. Nigeria and its prevailing context has created the need for a "Yoruba" nation and no doubt this has utility but the idea that we all share in the Yoruba glory of Oyo is funny. In fact at the very moment when Oyo were having problems in Ilorin other "Yoruba" nations saw that as an opportunity to attack Oyo.
To my mind The Oyo people are very distinct from the Ondo Ekiti and Ijebus. They were more of a colonizing force than a fraternal one.These peoples have other less illustrious origins/stories that have been airbrushed from the official story

theoctopus: And you are a sycophant for posting this trash! APC will see the wrath of Lagosians in 2015. Be babbling there!

hercules07: Chivalry was part of the yoruba character, the Ibadans were once betrayed by the Egbas, in atonement, the Egbas allowed the Ibadans to take one of their towns unchallenged, the idiot sent by the ibadans was incompetent and could not even defeat the town, the egbas allowed them to send someone else to sack the town the second time and slates were wiped clean.

Tony Spike: The Ilorin generals of Yoruba extract must have been beheaded because of their treachery towards their brothers. However, I still don't know why the Fulani generals were left alive.

hercules07: You learned wrong, most of the Ilorin Generals were Yorubas, infact, when Ibadans captured the Hausas and Fulanis, they let their leaders go but the Yorubas were executed, go and read more.

silent don: Hear yourself.

Now, get educated>>> Ilorin city was Founded
in the late 18th century by Yoruba people, it
became the capital of a kingdom that was a
vassal state of the Oyo Empire. Oyo’s
commander at Ilorin, Kakanfo (Field Marshal)
Afonja, led a rebellion against Oyo in 1817 that destroyed
the unity of the empire. He was aided by
Mallam Alimi (a Fulani from Sokoto), by Fulani
warriors and slaves, and by Hausa slaves.
Afonja was increasingly dominated by the
Muslim Fulani in number , and was soon assassinated, upon his assassination,
Alimi’s son, Abd as-Salam (Abdul Salami),
became emir of Ilorin and pledged allegiance to the Sokoto caliphate.
So, as u can see, it was an act of betrayal Where the people he called to assist him in fighting his people at Oyo turned to his back and stabbed him after a failure to make in road into Yorubaland. You know nada bout ilorin's history nd it's so annoying when people like u claim to know.

silent don: Hear yourself.

Now, get educated>>> Ilorin city was Founded
in the late 18th century by Yoruba people, it
became the capital of a kingdom that was a
vassal state of the Oyo Empire. Oyo’s
commander at Ilorin, Kakanfo (Field Marshal)
Afonja, led a rebellion against Oyo in 1817 that destroyed
the unity of the empire. He was aided by
Mallam Alimi (a Fulani from Sokoto), by Fulani
warriors and slaves, and by Hausa slaves.
Afonja was increasingly dominated by the
Muslim Fulani in number , and was soon assassinated, upon his assassination,
Alimi’s son, Abd as-Salam (Abdul Salami),
became emir of Ilorin and pledged allegiance to the Sokoto caliphate.
So, as u can see, it was an act of betrayal Where the people he called to assist him in fighting his people at Oyo turned to his back and stabbed him after a failure to make in road into Yorubaland. You know nada bout ilorin's history nd it's so annoying when people like u claim to know.

silent don: You are really ignorant of ur history. You as a result don't know Where ur coming from and thus can't know Where you're going to.

No external foe ever defeated Yoruba in any war. Afonja was a Yoruba who Alimi betrayed and killed to take over rulership of Ilorin.

Ilorin is a Yoruba town, with typical Yoruba people inhabiting it but an illegal rulership who came in ruthlessly because of the rebellion of a Yoruba son (Afonja) and who must leave, albeit ruthlessly because of the illumination, anger and determination of the new generation Yoruba sons.

I've been so close to the rulership of this city even as a very young boy.

I was well aware when the emir and his irks packed their baggage and were set to flee Ilorin if Lawal wins the gubernatorial election IN THE DAYS OF LAWAL. IF NOT FOR SARAKI THAT SAW LAWAL DIE, THE STORY WOULD HV BN DIFFERENT.

WELL, THE D-DAY WAS ONLY POSTPONED.