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Lana1:
Hensben said we should wait for Hazard to go to Madrid or Barca before we see the real him. Na him we dey see so.

Lol.

Fraud no be only by yahoo.

Greatihex:
Zidane Hazard should prove me wrong that he is not a fraud and win a trophy with this team

Fixed.

Please how many goals has Hazard scored.
Is hazard wearing no 11 in white?

I'm not seeing the usual ikebe super twerking.

CodeTemplar:
Please show where Oyedepo made the comment on the screenshot in the video link. What time duration was that?

This one is forever worshiping the Bishop.
So much so he is deaf,dumb,mute, to the obvious error.
He cannot see, sense, hear, feel anything since it his lord & master at the center of a huge gaffe.

Any small thing this one will pull out Matt 23.23 fir Amy small argument about tithe.

When will this one ever have sense or a mind of his own?

Then he will go and call his attack dog fundamentalist al-baghdadi to back him up.

If at this point one cannot differentiate between Law and the finished works of Christ, I cannot help you.

I'm pretty much sure that the Law was given to the Jews alone.
I'm pretty sure that you had to undergo certain denunciations as a foreigner to be able to follow the Law.

I'm pretty sure that there was a reason for the veil separating the inner court from the holy of holies being torn the moment Christ died.

I'm pretty sure that Hebrews tells us of a new priesthood that arose after the resurrection of Christ.

So anyone telling me to tithe because Jesus didnt condemn it (even when he also didnt endorse it either) can go ahead and do what they like. The truth is somewhere in the fact that we as Christians are no longer under the obligation to observe the Law as far as Christ has risen from the grave. And that includes tithing.

Uncle jesusjnr, please what does tithing represent post-resurrection?
Please do not use Matthew 23:23. Christ clearly didnt take a position on tithing there. He neither condemned it nor endorsed it.If you cannot do better than Matt 23:23 then admit you have no answer to the question.

dermmy:
hoopLA was actually telling you that our righteousness according to the law is useless before GOD. That was what the pharisees were claiming, righteousness through tithing, washing of hands before eating and the rest.

That was what hoopLA meant. You know there is a righteousness according to the law which cannot atone for one's sin and there is a righteousness according to faith in christ JESUS. Hear what Apostle paul said here:

"Concerning zeal persecuting the church concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
Phillipians 3:6

Bro are you sure you understand the Bible?

He obviously doesnt.
It's pretty much a waste of time debating anything of note with the fellow.

If he had any sense of what he was talking about, he would realize that prior to the coming of Christ, the Law was what made us right with God.

It's clear he doesnt even understand what he professes.

Even the scripture he quoted were out of context (as usual).

Bro I advise you to ignore the fellow.
It's a waste of time at this point.

dermmy:
The guy avoids question that's the problem i have with him. He hasn't answered any of the questions i have asked him so far and i did my best to answer his according to scriptures.

Lol.
I'm still waiting for an answer. I'll probably not get it.


Let me even go with the passage he quoted about teaching others what he taught them.

So did Christ teach his disciples to tithe?since according to him, Christ didnt stop people from paying tithe. I only noticed that from Acts of the Apostles nobody was saying anything about tithing throughout these books post-resurrection. So it must mean they were disobeying Christ,abi?

Lol.
He still refuses to use context in reading Matt 23:23, just like each liar that holds that passage up as a defence for post-resurrection tithing.
And the context is simply wrapped around the fact that Christ is the end of the Law.
So uncle jesusjnr,
Tell is what the role of tithing post-resurrection is. Tell is whether or not we should tithe, given that Christ's death and resurrection gave rise to a new priesthood which is the custodian to the new order of fellowship with God.

jesusjnr:
If He couldn't outrightly condemn it because it was still in effect till His death, then how was He able to condemn divorce, an eye for an eye, adultery of the heart, unforgiveness and so on which were also from the law?

The Gospel of the Kingdom, which was meant for His post-death era was preached before His death, hence His saying after His death:

Matthew 28:20 (KJV)

Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

So that your point that He couldn't outrightly condemn tithing for that reason doesn't correspond with this saying, because He outrightly condemned anything from the Law that warranted condemning before His death. And that was why what He commanded His disciples to teach men after His death, were what He had taught them prior to His death.

God bless.

Sorry but you bear the name Jesus but you hardly even know him

The root of Christ's message was love, first for God, then for fellow humans, regardless of whatever, even unto your enemies.
That is why he taught people against revenge.
More so, you are ignoring the fact that the Law became obsolete the minute Christ died as the perfect sacrifice for the redemption of man unto God.

You haven't answered my question about what tithing does for me post-resurrection.
Since you say Christ never condemned it.

dermmy:
"Till he died it was still in effect. So he couldn't outrightly condemn it."

Chai. I learnt another big thing today, I'll teach people this you have written. Thank you Hoopla. Remain blessed

Nah it's not me.
Its simple logic.

If Christ is God, who supposedly gave the children of Israel the Law, then it would be ironic that he is knocking the very same thing he asked you to do.

It is all about context. People who rush to Matt 23:23 never apply it in it's full context.

Like I said in my post, Christ is the end of the Law. The only way to fulfill the Law and all its ordinances and obligations (including tithing) is to believe in Christ as the savior and accept his Lordship, simply because on our own, our righteousness is useless before God. For me it's that simple.

Thank you too.

jesusjnr:
You deliberately left out a part of that saying of Jesus concerning tithing, because that showed Jesus position about tithing and it would prove your idea wrong that Jesus was against tithing.

So that is also my position except you can show me where Jesus said as in the instance of divorce said it was wrong, I promise you that I would say the same.

God bless.

I was going with your flow till you forgot to mention that the era in which Christ was speaking was that of the Law.

Till he died it was still in effect. So he couldn't outrightly condemn it.

But if you believe that Christ is the end of the Law, you cannot endorse tithing for any reason as it is, weightier matter or not.

Like the person you're responding to has said, you can never be justified by the works of the Law before God. Observing anything that is in the Law is negating the death and resurrection of Christ.

And why is Matthew 23:23 the only place where Christ ever mentions tithing? It's because he knew that it was only a matter of time before it would become obsolete, along with the ordinances of the law. Christ constantly berated the Pharisees for their inability to lead the people to true worship, instead placing several burdens on them,one of which was tithing. I believe you are also aware that in the old testament there were sections of people who weren't supposed to tithe. But the essence of tithing had been lost by these Pharisees who always insisted on it,even down to the tiniest of plants.

And if I may ask, to what purpose is paying of tithe to the follower of Christ, post-resurrection?.

Simple answer please.

silverlord:
guess you can also be intoxicated by water too. You need Google more than I do.
....and whenever you come down from that high mountain you placed yourself, do use your dictionary please.

The muppet lost me when he said you could get drunk on water.

What won't we see here on Nairaland?

Ignoramuses posing as intelligent people.

They define what wine is, you still see people arguing against themselves and trying to leverage stupeed positions.

Maestro21:
All these many words is to say even though my "papa" lied with the Bible and misled people he is still my papa. But look at other people who are not my papa. They are the bad people. LOL.

You people are funny. Call out the false teaching and move on. There is nothing you are saying here that makes up for the clear false teaching. A half-truth will mean some part of the fib is true but there is nothing in the Job not tithing narrative that is true. Simple and short.

As for the other nonsense about Pastor Chris being bitter about his wife. That is why it is good to focus on the issue in front of you insteading of talking about matters you have no clue about. That snippet from the actual message you heard was done in 2008/9 waaay before his wife divorced him. So I don't know the bitterness you are talking about. If you even decided to be mature, you would have tried to listen to the whole thing to even know at some point he reminded the congregation that he is a father to 2 DAUGHTERS and will naturally not want to preach a message that might be "detrimental" to them or their possible marriages.

But in your haste to defend your own papa, see your post above. LOL.

Funny enough, I was reading through her diatribe, trying to understand her direction.

Then I read your post and it all became clear in an instance.

That x,y,z do it does not make it right. All that blazay about honorarium and stuff, is grossly irrelevant and totally out of the point. As it is when talking with Christian folk.

The Bishop lied. And misquoted scripture. For what reason, I can't say. But he is guilty of misrepresenting the bible.

The issue here is, Benny Hinn has started puncturing holes in the type of gospel that the Bishop and his cohorts seem to base their doctrine upon. He has stated facts, even if his repentance may have yet to be seen outwardly, and instead of fans of the Bishop and his cohorts to agree that he more likely than not could have been guilty of propagating a fraudulent message (purposely or otherwise), they are here making middle grounds and excuses.

Until we tell ourselves the bitter truth, we will go nowhere. We have to tell ourselves that Christ NEVER promised anyone earthly comfort. In this world you shall have tribulations, but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world. The words of Christ himself. Not any apostle who came to know him.

Until we learn to accept that cold hard fact, and depend entirely on God for our sustenance, we will continue to be a laughing stock, a punch-line factory and a source of humor to the world.

OkCornel:
Let's analyze the scriptures.

Was Job's health and wealth attacked because he didn't tithe?

Did God restore Job because he tithed?

Yes or No.

Wondering why nobody wants to touch this hot-potato of a question you have up there.

The answer is a big fat NO.

Anyone who says otherwise is a liar and a fraud.

Job was hedged from attack by God till the devil thought he could prove a point by asking God to allow him attack him.

It's that clear and simple.

A billion reasons on those mammon-driven pulpits exist as to why Job was attacked.

One floozy Christ embassy dimwit who despite all her noise couldn't even graduate with a 3rd class degree told me once that Job lost his fortune because he said "For the thing which I greatly feared is come upon me, and that which I was afraid of is come unto me" Job 3:25.

It's the idiocy that is propagated from these pulpits.

OLAADEGBU:
Lies from the pit of hell. Who told you that the "prosperity gospel" means 'faithful payments of tithes and offerings'?

When will your inherent stewpidity ever leave you?

So the promise of tithing (earthly riches and prosperity) suddenly has vanished into thin air, and tithes and offerings are now taken into isolation?

Oga, just keep quiet, while people are gradually coming to their senses.

The brainwash trip is slowly coming to its end. People are waking up.

Benny Hinn has been at the forefront of this warped gospel where there is emphasis on financial investment. Now our own pastors have taken it too far.

Instead of you to shut your trap, you come here, trying to extricate those mammon driven frauds from the malaise they have plunged Christianity into.

You are a fraud.

afrodoc2:
Precedent ko, President ni.
Way back last year or so, Chelshit Shekpites partied on our thread after a draw and the same Chelshit Shekpites partied for almost a week on our thread after a loss.

Nobody holy pass so all this born again statements you people are making no be am. Even yesterday following our draw you and your minions were coming to troll on our thread, not knowing that yours was just round the corner. Lol

They can dish it out but they can't take it.
Hypocrites.

Even after the Southampton game, they were still trolling.

But when you drop a 2-goal half time lead against a promoted team at home with the equalizer coming via an own goal in the dying minutes, that's the kind of response you get.

Abeg do you have more AC/DC, Nirvana to just lace this sunday up.

who says Jah is not good? When your enemies are rejoicing over a draw, dem no know say dia own dey come.

iamharkinwaley:
Change music.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKtZ5BjPgTc

Yes sir.
Thank you

Since na Chelsea and their learner manager, please play any tune by Michael Learns to Rock

LegoMetahuman:
[s][/s]man utd last year after spending over 150million = 6th
man utd this year after spending over 150 million = 6th

Eyah.
This one is trying too hard to sound and feel intelligent.

Awon analyst.

I no blame you.

It's foolish dolts like airmark that are responsible for all dis jagbajantis.

It is 150 million that caused your whack team to throw away a two goal lead.
Olodo

iamharkinwaley:
Enjoy am bros, shekpites don't lose out of the fun


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VU9DjQpvMQ

Yes did used to be my jam back in the day.
Meanwhile you get Level 42?
Running in the Family

iamharkinwaley:
Shekpites and their lives, make we give them this one to reason with life.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ7FpYDQLOI

Em,
Bros the code is old school rock.

Did ya selection no be am.comot am for turntable

Itsmedozie:
shiit don't tell me Sheffield is ahead of you in the league

When I say I cant diagnose that puppet's problem, you think I'm insulting him.

He put up a graphic with his team nowhere near the top.
That 4-nil drubbing we gave them will ensure they are hovering in mid table.

Na wetin dey pain that mumu.

Abeg someone come and collect that una village square idìot.

InXS

Never tear us apart.

afrodoc2:
You be bad man.

Shekpites are living on a prayer.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDK9QqIzhwk

Yes is true.
You must live on a prayer when Zouma and Azubuike are on your starting backline and Lampard as your manager.

Abeg can you give me INXS.
Devil Inside

LegoMetahuman:
i pity you more



6thchester


https://cdn1.imggmi.com/uploads/2019/8/31/fe0f035fe727cd9235cb8ae182f8b4db-full.png

Airmark come and collect your graduate of that rubbish citadel.
Too many illiterates roaming around under your guidance.

iamharkinwaley:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx2u5uUu3DE

Is true.
Is shekpe life to be throwing goals away

Please give me Bruce Springsteen.

Streets of Philadelphia

afrodoc2:
You have impeccable taste.

Shekpites are by now comfortably numb.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrWZNAQrkf4

DeeJay.

You sabi Jared. Is just that you are not a beer man.

No indomie generation music in here.

Any Bon Jovi?

gustav25:
A word of encouragement for shekpe fans;-

Soon the science will not only be able to slow down the aging of the cells – soon the science will fix the cells to the state.
And so we will become eternal.
Only accidents, crimes, wars will still kill us, but unfortunately crimes and wars will multiply.
I love football. Thank you.

Lol.

When Cantona dey talk am,dem think say craze dey worry am.
Na now e dey make meaning

afrodoc2:
Chop am.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hX5fRbsmE8

Correct.
All these indomie generation shildren will not understand.

Please any Fleetwood Mac or Pink Floyd?

LegoMetahuman:
even scummies are trolling.. i can't laugh

Lol.
I dont know whether to pity you.
Your team hasnt won at home.
Conceding like no man's business.
Yet it's scummies you're looking at.

I dont know how to diagnose your problem.

E pass me.

Face the misfit team you have instead.

afrodoc2:
Collect am.

Shekpites are on a dark desert highway


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYkL5igsG4k

Thank sah!

I fit make another request?

Elton John.Benny and the Jets

afrodoc2:
In the spirit of rocking this place tonite. I'm a start with some classic rock pieces.

Shepkites you can't always get what you want.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef9QnZVpVd8

Please give me Eagles. Hotel California
Thank you in advance