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italo:
You have no proof of the bold.

I have proof that shepherds tend their sheep in the fields in winters that are even far colder than that of Bethlehem.

Here are pictures.

And did your bible talk about snow when he was born?

Give us the name of the chapter

Below is the first picture that you posted

Now right click with your mouse on your own picture and when the white window open just left click with your mouse on search Google for this image. Now you have as a result the original image of Shepherds in Iran

Shepherds moving their sheeps, between Khoy and Pasak-e Sofla, north-western Iran (picture Date january 2008 )

Source: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Shepherds_iran.jpg

www.nairaland.com/attachments/1985602_shepherdsiran_jpeg13c7a83102f80e39ccac60140e840ab9

wordcat:
Are you Saying that there's a connection?

Yes, and they themselves show you subliminaly the connection, they tell you subliminaly who they are

philfearon:
Do you do your crusades outside Nairaland too,or just strictly in Nairaland?

Outside Nairaland too. Africans must rebel against the lies and ignorance created by the Caucasian which keep the minds of Africans people imprisoned and their spiritual strength weak. To make it plainer, the only rebellion the Africans masses can win at this time is a mental and spiritual revolution, which will put the Africans masses in mental and spiritual power. Then they will have the power to do anything else that may be necessary for complete liberation and well being.

italo:
You have no proof that Jesus was born in summer since shepherds can graze in Bethlehem winter.

The shepherds were outdoors in the fields tending their flocks, which they only did in the summer months

Now your December 25th is simply the Roman Festival of Saturnalia to worship the Roman god Saturn. Dies Natalis Solis Invicti means 'birthday of the unconquered sun' and was held on December 25th (when the Romans thought the Winter Solstice took place) and was the 'birthday' of the Pagan Sun god Mithra.

italo:
This is the lie you started your post with: "Sadly, most modern day Christians think that Jesus was born on December 25, a date established by Pope Clement VII (1478-1534 A.D.), a Roman Emperor."

How was it taken out of context and what is the proper context?

You accuse him of not offering proof, where is your proof that shepherds cannot graze in Bethlehem winter?

Yourself realise that this post was adressed to Ubenedictus, so allow Ubenedictus to reply first to the post
Let him give proofs of his fasle accusations first. Come back later when he will give his own reply

italo:
We should believe Jesus was born in the summer as fact because Horus says so?

We should believe 25th of December was chosen in the 15th century because Horus says so?

We should believe Boko Haram is a Christian group when Horus says so?

We should believe all these unfounded and baseless things if only Horus says them?

You should know that 25th of December is not in the summer, get your fact right!.

When did I said that Boko Haram is a Christian group?

I just said in my previous post that I dont deal with beliefs, I deal only with facts. So why do you think that I want you to believe something? Belief is ignorance. Belief is to ignore the facts intentionally or ignorantly. If one has to believe, one does not know, and if one does not know, that is ignorance. Hence, belief is ignorance and religious beliefs without the facts is ignorance; so demand that anyone attempting to impose their religious beliefs, they are to produce the facts. The most deceptive word in religion is “believe” or “belief”, because a person can believe anything, and this means that person can believe, and be 100% wrong. Knowledge is knowing and knowledge is correct information. “To know” gives ones confidence, yet belief infers doubt.

Your accusations are baseless and just claims

There is no coincidence

italo:
^^^



How can we believe this story of yours which begins with an obvious lie in bold...and which has the lie as its anchor?

"When a problem arose between Jacob and Esau, Rebekah convinced Isaac to send Jacob to Padamaram for awhile.
"And Isaac sent away Jacob: and he went to Padanaram unto Laban, son of Bethuel
the Syrian, the brother of Rebekah, Jacob's and Esau's mother." (Gn 28: 5)
Jacob stayed there for twenty years tending Laban's cattle. When he left he had an argument with Laban, his father-in-law, to whom he said:
"38 This twenty years have I been with thee; thy ewes and thy she goats have
not cast their young, and the rams of thy flock have I not eaten. 39 That which was
torn of beasts I brought not unto thee; I bare the loss of it; of my hand didst thou
require it, whether stolen by day, or stolen by night. 40 Thus I was; in the day the
drought consumed me, and the frost by night; and my sleep departed from mine eyes."
( Gn 31: 38- 40 )

The bold above is proof that shepherds can stay in the fields with the sheep on cold winter nights in Israel.

And the part of Israel talked about above is colder than Bethlehem where Christ was born.

No thank! I dont deal with beliefs I deal only with facts. Jesus Was Born In The Summer, just deal with the fact. You are so desperate to try to make me believe that snow can fall in the summer that you are even resorting to weather patterns manipulation. You cannot change the past so you cannot use the HAARP project to change the weather of the past. At the moment you are so busy saying: I dont know what I am talking about that you dont realise that you really dont know what you are talking about.

Ubenedictus:
hahaha, your post started with a lie and you can't even acknoledge that. Now i am wondering why i have been wasting my time trying to get a proud man to correct his erros. You can continue broadcasting your lie that the date of Christs birth was set on the 25th in the 15th, you will be d one looking stupid.

When did I said that?. You give a date without month? Just agree that you cannot deal with facts that he was born in the summer. If you claim that someone say a lie then you have to demonstrate it, otherwise your accusation are just merely a claim, not backed up and not demonstrated by evidence or argument. At the moment you are still unable to demonstrate the veracity of anything you said. No proofs no references, no sources and no facts. All you do is sending unproven accusations by taking part of my post out of context to avoid dealing with facts. You keep rotting in your own negativity

Ubenedictus:
i do not need to show whether or not you wrote the word "christmas", all i need to show is your post where you claimed that Jesus' date of birth was set on the 25th by a pope in the 15th century. The thread and your subsequent gymnastics is a testament that you erred and that Christ's date of birth was settled at 25 at least a mellinium before the 15 century and at least a melinium before the said pope even born. All you need do is correct yourself.

Have a blessed day.

The date that you are talking about have nothing to do with Jesus' date of birth, he was born in the summer. You seem to suffer from visual impairment when reading my first post or you are just adding or subtracting anything that you do not like from my first post to dance in and out of the truth. It is You who are the one doing subsequent gymnastics to avoid reading the purpose of my first post. Notice that my first post have a title and the title is: Jesus Was Born In The Summer. (Read it again) Coincidence?, No. And this is the reason why the word "christmas" was never used. My conclusion is that it is obvious that you just behave in an untrustworthy, deceitful, and insincere way.

I carried out this research when President Goodluck Ebele Jonathan (GEJ) asked the former of Governor Central Bank of Nigeria Sanusi Lamido Sanusi (SLS) to resign his post for allegedly leaking a letter SLS wrote to GEJ stating that $49.8 Billion US was yet to be remitted by the Nigeria National Petroleum Corporation (NNPC) into the nation coffers.

$49.8 Billion Imagine how many hospitals and schools can be build with this money
GEJ should be locked in a prison forever

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Hell is about Money!. The concept of hell and a devil with a pitchfork standing in front of an open furnace, are all things put in your minds by religious leaders and the media for their own personal gain. The more you believe in their concept of hell, the more frightened you become and the more you will pay for the religious leaders to forgive your sins and redeem your souls.

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Op, before we start can you first define and locate what you call "heaven"?

plaetton:
Have you noticed that even in children's cartoons, the hero or heroine always seem to have blue eyed? These are subliminal messages being passed on to little children that the Caucasian is superior and stands for all things good.

Blue eyes are simply eyes that lack melanin. Blue eyes are more sensitive to sunlight and do not process light or produce sight as efficiently as brown eyes. Isn’t it funny how many people place divine qualities with blue eyes that are nothing but genetically defective?. Blond hairs are simply hairs that lack melanin. Through powerful propaganda and indoctrination, caucasians have devised a means to make it seem as though white people are supposed to be the most desirable people on the planet and that everyone wants to be like them and be around them. If you can see through the nonsense, then you will know what I mean. This is why we need to continue our crusade to decolonize the minds of African people to see through the nonsense propagated by white people to flatter themselves. Total ignorance can be fought with knowledge.

ifeness:
All the biblical figures never have a burial tomb. One would expect that a popular figure like Solomon would at least have a burial location. The Egyptian Pharaohs all had tombs and descriptions of the lives they lived,which were properly written on the walls of their various tombs But nothing can be found for Jesus,Isaac,Abraham,David,Moses....nothing.

Archaeologists also found the tomb of Osiris, also called the Osiris Shaft.

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The average Catholic would be really surprised that in reality they worship Isis an eternal Black Egyptian Goddess under the disguise of Mary.

jmoore:
Jesus is your master. He came to rescue you.
Praise be to Jesus Christ.

The image of the caucasian Jesus that is on most churches wall is the image of the Beast

krall:
Whenever a "religious" topic makes frontpage, it is either making mockery Christianity or talking of the bad thing one pastor did or the other.

Why??

Because today more people realise that belief is ignorance and religious beliefs, without facts is ignorance. To know gives one confidence, but belief infers doubt.

The word God is a substitute. Stop and think one moment. The name God is not really in the bible. If this is not an English book written by Englishmen, it’s not there; it was added. You will also find that God, whether you have a big "G", or little "g", is not being used in the singular tense, as Eloh or Allah. The beings spoken of in the bible and Koran are the Eloheem, the plural of Eloh.

The word "gospel" means ghost spell or spell of the ghost

Christmasdon:
.are you madt? JESUS IS GOD.

How can your "god" be killed on a cross?. Can your god die?

Ubenedictus:
i didn't even touch my previous post, why then are you accussing me of lying.

You are the only person in the entire world, who doesn't know christmas is about the birthday of Christ, you are also the only liar i am aware of who claims that the date of Christ's birth was set on the twenty fifth of december in the 15th century and is ready to perform mental gymnastics and denials to extricate himself from his lies without admitting he lied.

"The pot calling the kettle black" . You are the one who perform mental gymnastics and denials to avoid answering my question. If I said that you cannot find the word CHRISTMAS in my first post, it is not a lie it is an irrefutable fact, so dont try to divert the debate or you will start to make yourself look like a fool. We all can see you are the liar here

Show me where I used the word CHRISTMAS in my first post?

After this question was asked to you more than five times ask yourself why you are still unable to find this word in my first post?.

Your diverting technique dont work so stop wasting time and answer the question

AGAIN, Show me where I used the word CHRISTMAS in my first post?

Ubenedictus:
you are grasping a straws, you pos reference "the date christ was born" and yet you say you weren't talking about Christmas?

Strawman

No, I am not religious and I am not christian so this word have no meaning for me, so I did not use it at all. It is you who associate this word with the birth of christ, not me. Now show me where I used the word christmas in my first post?
If you even go to the extend of editing your own previous post to erase your lie this denote that you have too much EGO.
I cannot stand a liar and if you edited your post then this is a proof that you cannot even assume your own disonesty. You have been exposed

Ubenedictus:
Horus are you denying the post below where you claimed that the 25th date was fixed by pope gregory as the birth of Jesus Christ in the 15th century

[size=19pt]Why are you editing your previous post?
(Your dishonesty reached its peak)[/size]

Below was your post before you edited it where you claim that I used the word: christmas

Ubenedictus:
did ur post not claims that christmas started in d 15th century? Are u now accepting that you lied?

Why you cannot quote the word christmas that you claim that I used in my first post?. Use quote to show me where, and if you cannot find the word christmas in my first post then you lied. You are dishonest period!. I am still waiting to see the word christmas in my first post. Show me that word or stop claiming that I used a word that you cannot even see in my first post.

[size=19pt]Only a LIAR will edite his post to erase his own lie[/size]

Ubenedictus:
did ur post not claims that christmas started in d 15th century? Are u now accepting that you lied?

Use quote to show me where, and if you cannot find the word christmas in my first post then you lied.

Ubenedictus:
this is false information, if u claim xmas was set in the 15th century then what will u do to the testimony of christians of the 4th, 5th centuries downward and those of the second century dat i referenced? Throw dem out of the window to defend the 15 century thesis lie?

I already discussed d winter issue, isreal is no london dat has a severe winter. According to d rabbi sherpherd and sheep still make d jorney through bethlehem to jerusalem even in d winter (jerusalem's temple has a continous demand for sheep)

Why do you lie?, I never mentioned the word xmas in my post
Now we all know that you are a liar

Jesus Was Born In The Summer

Sadly, most modern day Christians think that Jesus was born on December 25, a date established by Pope Clement VII (1478-1534 A.D.), a Roman Emperor. He became Pope in November of 1523-1534. With that, it became believable that Jesus was born on December 25, a winter month. But the mere fact that the shepherds were outdoors in the fields tending their flocks, which they only did in the summer months, Jesus son of Mary was in fact, based on the scriptures of Luke 2:8 born in the summer. In Jerusalem during the month of December, it is very cold, and there is no way this child could be born in the cold.

During the high point of the summer solstice between June 23 through the highest point being June 26, when the sheep would be brazing in the field, is when Jesus son of Mary was born.

Luke 2:8 “And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.”
Luke 2:12 “And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.”
Luke 2:15 “And it came to pass, as the angels were gone away from them into heaven, the shepherds said one to another, Let us now go even unto Bethlehem, and see this thing which is come to pass, which the Lord hath made known unto us.”
So, this quote refers to Jesus as a babe and the Greek word being used here in the Bible is brephos for newborn or infant. So, as you just read, this proves that the baby Jesus was born during the summer, in the year 7 A.D. based on the death of Herod.

#GMB