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MadamExcellency:
USA has the money, the economy, the technology, the strongest military and USAID for freebies.What does Europe have? Nothing.

Those freebies are debts ,that's why USA is owing almost 40 trillion dollars debt!

But I've factored USA economy and military before I said they "might" still be strong .

For Europe , alliance can change ,UK and Russia might align with EU but without that ,EU will now be independent and build their own military complex .

What Trump doesn't know is that the existing relations between USA and other countries like Canada and org like EU keep USA strong but Canada and EU weak .

With Trump isolation policy ,the US might keep being strong but Canada and EU will change position from being weak to being strong and a time might come in the future that EU will face USA directly on battlefield.

Odomodoya

SUGARCyprian247:
Those are road side shops!!

Look behind those shops and see mansions

Oh yeah ,mansion on a half plot of land .

papyjaypaul:
Ah don't let's go there. This thing called belief is a personal affair between man and God. This is very difficult for people of other faith or no faith to understand. That is why people think that if you don't belong to my faith, you will not prosper on earth. On what Ighalo said, he is only telling us what he wants to tell the world. He has not told us how much he spends to update his software. People are looking at him because of money but they don't know the full story of his life. They only want to take the part they like. That's why I don't want to be like anyone. If God has done you a favor and you think it is worth celebrating, give thanks no matter what people say because there are 6 billion stories to tell in this world and you only know a few.

Such stories should not be encouraged,it gives people fake hope that paying tithe is the only part to success whereas it's a couple of different efforts like ability,hardwork, connection,luck etc .

Belief is not reality ,for instance,if you believe that dollar will become 1 naira tomorrow or that Nigeria will become USA tomorrow or that you want to become the youngest professor in the world when you're already above 30,no matter how much belief or faith anyone has even more than mustard seeds,it's impossible because these takes time and processes.

Goodmarlian:
Shebi una don pursue Esn from Enugu,see the result

ESN were killing security operatives instead of attacking Fulani herdsmen.

NB : beside the sorrowful situation,I can see the golden roofs in Enugu .

papyjaypaul:
That's what he believes what works for him
“But I prayed one day, God said don’t change the winning formula. If you can be faithful with little, you’ll be faithful with any amount,” Ighalo continued.

In tech ,there's something called bloatware . It's a software that's downloaded but serves no function. Let's say an antivirus bloatware app ,a user might think it's that app that's protecting his computer but it's because his computer has not really suffered major attack .

That doesn't mean that's why God is blessing you. There are people paying tithe more than you but not as blessed as you and there are people paying lesser tithe than you and are richer than you .

Person nor even hear of Asad anymore .

Power is transient,people will move on in a split second.

Though it's an allegation, I want to say that, as a man, be very careful of women. If you're married and you want to cheat (not endorsed) , go for OS. It's better to go for OS than to have side chicks, it's worse when you go for some categories like married women, your employees, or any woman below you at your workplace, church members as a pastor, friend's babe or friend's sister. Women have ruined several powerful men .

Though OS has ruined men too, it's safer than other categories.

HEAVEN4444:
IFA doesn't believe in helfire ? What do you think the story of sopona and babaluaye is ? You are not learned my friend. These are orishas in hellfire. Sopona and babaluaye

Everything else you wrote up there is trash bro

It's ignorant of you to consider Sonpono or Obaluaye as hell fire .

The concept of hell fire solely deals with a fire burning where Satan is or will end up and where sinners or those that didn't believe in Jesus or follow Mohammed go to .

In Isese ,we don't believe in that . Though there's a believe of afterlife but hellfire was never there and the heaven is not in the concept of Abrahamic religions heavens .

Sonpono is worshipped in Isese ,she's just an Orisha like every other Orishas. No Orisha came from hell fire . I think you're the one that need to demand refund from your teachers or check if you really study anything .

Even in the Bible ,no demon was forged in hell fire ,they're considered as Lucifer's followers that fell along with him .

HEAVEN4444:
oh so you are an esu worshipper ? No wonder you been talking nonsense all day 😆

Since you have no defence,you've resorted to adhominem but to point out your hasty conclusion,I consider all religions as man made ,not necessary in our society and I only believe in higher power .

Supporting Isese is because indigenous religion should be more recognised than imported ones to counter neo colonialism but not because it's different in belief than others .

They are all fairy tales .

HEAVEN4444:
Lucifer in that Bible verse refers to Babylon which would be modern day America. America is the Lucifer of the modern world. The light bearer which is why they have that huge statue of the light bearer in New York. It's the first thing you see. The light bearer statue. Lucifer. And yes the king of Babylon did try to usurp Gods laws by trying to spread homosexuality and LGBT agenda etc etc on the planet. These things are happening in real time but you people think it's some mystery divine era that happened eons ago. Nothing new under the sun, that which has been is that which shall be.

And IFA is not standalone. The spiritual forces that control the whole planet are the same. The stories are created and culled from the interaction of these forces. Yoruba did not create these forces. They have been here before humans . We are simply creating systems to qualify and quantify it using mythology


As for olodumare sent Obatala with some tools to create the world, that world in question is not a physical creation of the world but an establishment of the right hand divine path so as to bring light into the world and then Obatala who is Adam in the Bible eventually fell asleep on the job and a woman was pulled out of him meaning the empire has now fallen and the serpent was born to bring judgement, eve bore cain, and fallen Obatala is now Oduduwa who fell from heaven down to earth. THIS MYTHOLOGICAL JOURNEY IS NOT FOR FEEBLE MINDED PEOPLE. YOU NEED TO BE CALLED INTO THIS DIVINE DISCIPLINE SO AS TO BE ABLE TO COORDINATE ALL THE WISDOMS

One of the lies of religion is to consider some story as metaphor when it favours them and literal when it favours them that's one of the reasons why I don't practice any religion .

Lucifer is Satan and any other explanation is self ascribed or heresy .

Most of biblical names and stories are adulteration of real stories or epics . For instance ,Moses has similarities with Sargon , Ahaseureus with Xerxes ,Noah story with epic of Gilgamesh etc Babylon exists as a standalone empire but not as a metaphor for USA .

Several biblical scholars have interpreted Daniel visions as USA ,Russia and China but literally kingdoms disappeared in the Bible . So I will refer you to Ecclesiastics that nothing is new under the heaven that whatever that's happening now has happened before therefore it doesn't mean that USA is Babylon and Babylon is Lucifer ,it simply means Babylon has happened before and therefore USA could end up like Babylon . Even,Rome and British Empire happened before USA and they've all fallen .

"Spiritual" forces that control the world is universal but the understanding of humans across different cultures and civilisations are different that's why we have different religions and doctrines .

There's a reason they call some religions like Judaism , Christianity and islam Abrahamic because they originated from single source which is Abraham but they divided along the line ,Judaism stick to Moses ,Christians parted way and follow Jesus while Islam later parted way and followed Mohammed.

IFA doesn't believe in hell fire ,or one saviour or one Abraham or Jesus or Mohammed . Olodumare didn't create heaven and earth in seven days .

In as much as we know that the tools given to Obatala might be metaphor,there's no correlating story that God gave Adam tools to create earth .

Again ,trying to find a correlation or dependence on foreign religions is a sign of inferiority complex and an avenue to downplay the intelligence of Yoruba ancestors that founded Isese. I can tell you that as there's holy spirit in Christianity,there's IFA in Isese and there's AI in tech which all help humans to foresee future or perform better but that doesn't mean their scopes are the same or they share the same origin .

HEAVEN4444:
devil wanted to usurp the man created in Gods image but not God, nobody can usurp God. And IFA is not a standalone system. It was crafted from the spiritual forces that govern the planet. Same system exists everywhere with the deities having different names eg sango is thor etc etc but the Yoruba system is a more robust system

Isaiah 14 literally spoke about how Lucifer wanted to ursurped God.

Christianity itself takes a lot from pre existing religions like Judaism and Zoroastrianism while Islam takes from Christianity , Buddhism, Zoroastrianism etc .

IFA is a stand alone religion because there's no record of direct influence from external religion . We can take the most important story as an example which is the creation myth . Olodumare sent Obatala with some tools then Oduduwa took over when the former slept off but this story is not in any other creation stories .

It's true that religions all over the world has similarities but that doesn't mean one is dependent on another as you said in your previous comment.

It's like under playing the inherent intelligence of IFA adherents.

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DeOTR:
How many dedicated Esu worshippers have you come across? There's nothing like Yoruba religion. We as a people believe in Olodumare, and use the lesser gods as intercessors. Esu is not by any chance a favorite one. I'm privileged to know a lot about traditional stuffs owing to the fact that that Grandpa is an initiate. I used to be too. I'm from a family of powerful people, most of whom were never exposed to any other religion. None of them Esu, so this is not a foreign religion thing. Maybe not a perfect parallel with the biblical satan, but those that use his name as a Yoruba translation of the satan know people don't worship him openly the same way they worship other gods.

I have a close family (in law) that Esu is their family Orisha and I know two other families that have Esu in their Ojubo.

Orishas are not "lesser gods" , they're simply "Orishas"

That many people don't worship him anymore doesn't invalidate his importance or favouritism ,how many Sango or Ogun worshippers have you come across ? The most prominent worshippers are IFA adherents .

Those that use him as parallel to biblical or Quranic devil were either mischievous or ignorant because they could have used Jesus or Mohammed as parallel to Orunmila as well .

HEAVEN4444:
the devil is a messenger of God but not an enemy of God. He works with God to put punishment to those that sin. He and God are always discussing who needs to be punished ( book of job chapter 1 vs 5

The thing I have noticed about IFA and orisa Is that nobody knows what they are talking about about. Even so called IFA and orisa experts don't know what they are talking about about. To be astute in the orisas you have to master universal mythology and egyptology and the Bible and astrology amongst other disciplines without which you can never be a master in IFA and orisa

The devil wanted to ursurped God and sent to earth for his punishment but Esu never rebel against Olodumare/God.

God didn't send Devil to Job ,he's the one that brought the idea ,God only grant him permission. Devil is in hellfire or will be in hellfire but Esu is not and there's no hell fire in Yoruba religion.

You lied that no one knows what they're talking about IFA and Orishas . Odu IFA is a stand alone course and has no relationship with any foreign interference.

DeOTR:
The bottom line is, he's not liked by many people, maybe because of the nature of his assignment.

You should say he's not liked by Abrahamic religion adherents .

In Yoruba religion,they worship him , appreciate his effort to keep balance and appease him not to do them harm .

DeOTR:
The Esu character is mischievous, maybe that's why they drew the parallel. Interestingly, it sounds like how the Yorubas should call Jesus. The letter J has never been part of the Hebrew letters.

They're almost the same but not the same because Esu is not an enemy of Olodumare and he doesn't do evil but carries the evil judgement of Olodumare to the sinners .

Lastly ,if we assume it's parallel,why's Jesus not called Orunmila ? Or Elijah called Sango ?

HEAVEN4444:
esu is the trickster. Devil

Esu is a messenger of God in Yoruba belief but not an enemy of God .

He's the one that guard the gateway between heaven and earth . He provides food for other Orishas . He carries the punishment of God to those that sin .

Great!

Association of Yorubas religion should lobby for a day dedicated to celebrating all the Orishas so that it can be more pronounced.

Also ,they need to fight for the Esu misrepresentation in Abrahamic religions .

Esu is not Satan/Devil .

EXPRESSSMAN:
Don't say that. You cannot be around and someone takes your child from you and you say the person is powerful without giving him a fight.

There's a way you fight someone that's more powerful than you ,in the case you mentioned,if you go head to head ,you might not come out alive . That's why there are institutions like police ,army and human rights organisations to enhance your power .

oyeb15:
Akande is d best governor of Osun. He compulsory retire sit tight principals and didnt borrow a penny.
He's a very disciplined and fearless man with that his crocodile smile.i wonder how he able to blend with Tinubu.

There was strike during his time and I remember several workers (incompetent) were sacked .

Inside life ,you don't fight someone that's more powerful than you .

sprints1:
can never happen na chess 3 of them dey play. In international politics no friend everyone na enemy that uses one against the other and later become friend - enemy

You're right 👍

alphaNomega:
it won't. the military industrial complex needs enemies to justify their outrageous budgets otherwise they would be seen as thieves in the eyes of the people.

True ,I've been thinking about it ,if Ukraine war is resolved,where will the next war happen?

Xisnin:
It appears you don't the meaning of gloablisation.
Trump was elected to destroy globalisation!

Why don't you tell me the meaning of globalisation?

One thing you don't know is that a new structure always emerge after old structure is destroyed. Use UN vs league of Nations as a case study .

The world will be a better place if US,Russia and China unite .

We might be looking at true globalisation in our time .

Blazetrailer:
....lol...lord have mercy...what else will I not see on Nairaland? Seun Osewa, you have a case to answer o...this your Nairalad is turning to something else with the type of people it attracts......

So when you buy forex at lower rates with fake documents, obtain the forex, take it out, return to sell sell it at higher rate(exact description of what you said Emefiele was doing), what is that called ??

Trading innforex does not mean you have sense..lol

Sorry bro, are you dyslexic? If you are, my sincere apologies. It is not my character to mock mentally disabled people. If you are, I take what I have written preciously back because I now understand that it
a natural bestowment for you to be this dense, not what you would have like to be. Pele, sorry

...oya, run along now bro and go and play with your fellows , i understand better now.

You don't even know the difference between round tripping and arbitraging and I've been arguing with you since morning.

This conversation is beyond your IQ and pay grade .

Go and read about Dunning Kruger effect first .

Blazetrailer:
Lol...Hydra stupidity. This is what happens when you are a numty dumpty in real life but somehow got barely fortunate to have a phone and access to data and then assume all of a sudden that you have been weaned off your buffonery.

My question to you again is...do you read over what you post and then in your mind, they appear to have a semblance of anything reasonable in line with known economic and financial theories/models or you just conjure up some nonsense in your brain, fuelled up by the propaganda of the current government and you just click on the submit button?

I take it that you are high on some cheap local gin. When you get sober, take time to read your rubbish again, I am sure you will be ashamed of yourself.

If what you moronically tried to explain below is what you have been trying to call arbitrage all along, then I underestimated your buffonery. Sorry, you are compeletely retarded. Roundtripping is nothing new, they have been doi g this since the days of Shehu Shagari. What is currently happening is even worse,it is capital flight. There is a reason the exchange rate is still despite government's noise about Naira being undervalued. Billions of Naira get moved out on a montly basis for investments and safekeeping abroad because Naira is beingbseen everyday as apoor store of value. It is not like the devalution has suddenly made USD available in Nigeria. The government is trying to pop up the naira on a daily basis for same reason Buhari anf co were doing it, there is still a thriving black market and businesses still fo not have access to the USD hence the rate exorbitant rate. Claiming that these were caused by arbitrage ranks as the dumbest I have read in many years. I dint exoect you to undertand the xonnections anyway, so little suroise here.

By the way,leave the level of education I have or the grade I have aside, lets keep it to what we have on Nairaland here, that should be adequate to judge our level of education....but if you care to know, I have those qualifications that Tinubu wish he had and he lied about when he was completing his INEC forms while contesting for Lagos State Governor in 1999. That and more, my friend. What your President wished he had......I can boldly put my name out ans attach all my credentials without anyone globally saying pim...your President can not dare.

You need to have your brain check before you comment ,because there's difference between arbitrage and round tripping .

Capital flight is one of the reasons naira loses value but arbitrage used to pose greater risk because the corrupt people have access to cbn rate funds and take it back in black market rate which pressurise the naira while the masses buy black market rate to pay for foreign goods and services which wil leads to price speculation because those that buy at black market rate will want to make profit as well .

The current gap between CBN and black market is now neglible unlike before that used the be between 250 and 400 naira .

We've been complaining of bad governments since but now we have someone bold enough to make an ingenious change but blind or short sighted armchair naira land analyst like you that never handle anything tangible beyond 2by2 shop is trying to feel important.

I'm into a lot of things and trading is one of them so I know what I'm talking about .

No matter how I try to open your head ,I guess it's too thick and it's like trust wallet logo .

You're irredeemable. Blaze trailer my foot 🦶. King of the thirds !

Blazetrailer:
Lol... ....complete hogwash. Juxtaposing and arrant redaction of a simpleton. I initially had doubts about your level of education but I am now so convinced you are a stark dumbo.

All you have written below is not beyond the kevel of what jobless busybodies plap about in those local bars ans palm wine joints.

I am not going to bother brain picking the numerous absurdity in your disarrayed awareness or disastrous understanding of basic economics but to state that the seized Emefiele's assets and Herbert Wigwe"s university are examples of arbitrage yiubwere talking about stands as one of the dumbest thing I have ever read in my entire time on Nairaland. There is a clear difference as day and night between arbitrage and crime on the case of Emefiele. Besides in what way is Wigwe's university even close to abritraging?? Lord have mercy!!!

If you dont have an idea, millions of USD leave Nigeria on a monthly basis, rates irrespective. Naira is proven to ne a poor store of value so Nigerians, especially givernment officials ans politicians move mollions out monthly for safekeep. So, the source of arbitraging still continues despite the poorly advised devaluation. If you doubt it, check hiw much funds tbe fintech companies move out of Nigeria on a monthly basis or how much the BDCs sell on a monthly basis.

Like I started with, you dont have an idea of what you are writing. Mr engaging you is even a favour yiu shoukd ho to your church or mosque ti give do a thanksgiving fir

You're bored and looking for the easiest way out of naira land because you can't cope with the heat but you're stuck .

A person that can read but didn't read and a person that cannot read are not different from each other . This simply means that a self acclaimed literate person like you that refused to learn is not different from an illiterate person . If we check your qualifications now ,it might just be pass or 2 2 in one useless course in one useless village .

You spoke about corruption as if you have the littlest grasp of its scope and you're still grandstanding in your ignorance.

Emefiele was able to embezzle a lot of money by moving the money to overseas at CBN rates then bring them back to Nigeria at black market rate ,the same thing people like bode George accused Wigwe of . Also ,most billionaires like Dangote and BDCs are also in this business ,not to even mention politicians.

In your little mind ,tell me all the profit they're making ,where are they coming from ? Are they coming from your empty skull ?

The fintech you're talking about also engage in arbitrage and they're still doing it till today but the gap is minimal and the volumes are limited because some international organisations even charge local debit cards in naira now .

I guess you should continue to look for a way to run away from naira land so that your frustrations will not lead to something else .

Before you start biting trees ,know that I don't care about your insignificant existence,you're the one that responded to my comment.

Blazetrailer:
Lol....guy, you go school at all?

Even when the government sources claim Naira is undervalued at 1500 to 1USD and claim it is a willing buyer and willing seller market, you are still bringing in arbitrage angle as the reason for the exchange rate.
This is after the Central Bank itself creates a sell rate lower than the market by selling to BDCs at a lower than market rate. Shouldn't the pressure on Naira make it overvalued?

If I may ask, what exactly is the pressure on Naira??

Naaahh!!! Dont bother.....I have read enough to know you don't have the fundamentals....there is no point engaging you further....honestly

It's only a fool that reason the way you are reasoning because you're trying to say the same thing about floating of the currency.

Whatever price the naira is right now ,it will trade back to its deserved value instead of the government trying to force it to a particular value with borrowed funds .

Now let me educate your ignorant a s s .

Did you read the news about Emefiele estate that was seized in Abuja or you're living under a cave ? That estate is worth billions of naira ,did you see Wigwe private schools ? Those are just few seen tangible assets . Now there are several funds like that ,that arbitragers laundered out of the country ,the gap between official and black market rate then was almost 400 naira .....imagine the volume of such arbitrage trades in a single day and the amount of money that's embezzled via such trades .

Where do you think such money is coming from ? Or you think that 400 naira profit just come from the thin air ?

After the policy changes,there's an abrupt change in value to adjust with the current reality ,but if you monitor the market for several months now,you will see that the market is stable .

Blazetrailer:
lol.... did you read what you posted before you clicked the "submit" button?


This is what we are saying. These guys are barely educated. Not sure this one understands the gibberish he has posted below. Arbitrage? Devaluation?? Kini n so?



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Progressing themselves to be wise they become fools .

Too much pressure on naira makes it to fall and two of the most things that pressurise naira was arbitrage and price speculation .

These two put more pressure than any form of tangible imported services or products.

Now get lost .