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An2elect2:
Cc: iamjane.
Cc: Expressions.

Matth 1:21, "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shall call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins" pls take note of the significance of the expression "his people".
Here it is important for us to know that Christ's coming to this world and his meritorious work on the cross was for "his people", a distinct people.

Galatians 1:4, "Who gave himself for our sins that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father."
"our sins" cannot be said to be referring to the sins of every man cos Paul's letter and all his letters was/were for those in the church. The evil world is not cosmos but real people who are evil, all what they stand for,their lusts et al. Just saying...

Ephesians 5:25, " Husbands love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church and gave himself for it."

Acts 20:28, " Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over which the Holy ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood."

Why take heed? it is obvious that some people who are not part of the flock are wolves who peddle lies to deceive the flock. The passage talks about purchase of the flock with blood. The price here is the blood. If he did not purchase all men with his blood (as we have seen here), he definitely didn't die for all.

I'll be right back to continue.

An2elect2:
Welcome back.


Alright. But i dunno your thread and posts are not straight forward. Somewhere along the line am getting the impression that you are saying his death was by chance even though it was foreknown? it was not his plan to die and yet that was the only way sin could be conquered?



I agree with this....but this down here..no.



i take it that you believe salvation should be worked for. No? we shouldn't mind the scripture that says it is by grace? How do you go about obtaining and keeping this salvation till the end? do you mind sharing?



Christ died not to redeem us from our sins but to show us the way to redeem ourselves and even in our daily work we strive by ourselves? nothing about our strength in Christ? no power from outside ourselves in spite of our unwilling flesh?



Yes i believe we must strive towards perfection but whose power are we appealing to here?



yes this is true but am afraid the application used here might be wrong.



Without the shedding of blood can any sin be remitted? If Christ's blood did not wipe out the sins of those he died for(He died for some not all) what will? our obedience?


lol you made me ask more questions.

christemmbassey:
with this type of post, it is very clear that you don't know why Christ came/died/resurected. I wish, I can make you undastand, but I'v stoped Nl arguments. Stay blessed.

Expressions:


That's why I opened this thread because I found statements in the Bible reported as being spoken by the Son of God Himself during His sojourn on earth which is in contradistinction to the above highlighted words.

I quoted several statements of Christ as reported in the Bible which led to my questioning the accustomed doctrines and dogma, which finally led to my conclusion.

Not that I'm trying to be convincing here.

Now all you can do here is quote just a few statements of Jesus Himself (not from 'posthumous' books like the Acts) where He asserted that He came to let Himself be killed. Then we'll have something tangible to talk about.
Regards.

Expressions:
That's an impressive answer @channelz. Learnt quite a lot.

I can recall somewhere in the Bible how they (the Sanhedrin or high council) gathered to finalize their plot against Him. The president of the high council then was the high priest of the temple in Jerusalem Caiaphas, the Co-Conspirator who played a key role in the trial and execution of Jesus Christ. Now, some members of the council disapproved of the plot (Joseph for instance), but imagine what a high priest said with his mouth:
“And you do not consider that is profitable for us that one man should die instead of the nation, and not that the whole nation perish.”-Aramaic Bible.
Just because Christ, while upholding the law, was breaking and correcting their man-made traditions. They felt if they allowed Him, the nation would perish.

Now about channelz explanation of Deutronomy, the laws of the land and how it was used against Christ:

This actually gave rise to the eventual assumptions which develop into a belief that Christ's mission was to come and die as you can see in the attached picture below.

You can imagine how His faithful followers and believers SHOCKED, looked upon Him hanging there, fully aware of it's implication in accordance with the laws of the land concerning one who is hanged. While some mocked ("He saved others..." ), some faithful ones actually waited for their Master to come down from the wooden cross or stake.
That was the highlight of the plot; the religious leaders where invariably saying to the people:

There's your Son of God. If He truly is then let His Father show us a sign by bringing Him down..."

Since nothing of such happened, the erroneous belief (erroneous because it is not in tandem with the Words of Christ as we have seen) that this was His mission (to come and allow Himself be killed or to become a curse for us) began to spring up and spread. That was the only way to counter and shun the religious leaders and the disgrace they tried to attach to His Name.

And the religious leaders became even more worried and frustrated saying:

"He (Christ) is more dangerous dead than alive!"

bsjay:
God bless u. Are u a cross bearer?

Skako:
Did the Jesus tell u that He die for ur sin? Or Paul


haaa i dey pity u (Christians)

wirelessssss:
That is if I can still hear

wirelessssss:
That explains the mystery of child prodigies.

Expressions:
The 'innocent' baby is in reality not innocent

Ajibam:
All this verses you state here are pointing to prophecy and predestination...

Reincarnation is different from predestination.

Darkrebel:
you .
your story.....
your source....is false.....he never said such

gatiano:
pope mixing truth with lies, anyways all is lies. there is difference between hell and fire and between heaven and hereafter.
heaven and hell are a condition of life, that is why people always have had dreams of heavens or hell. they described it as a beautiful place, filled with wealth, it only signifies good life that can be experienced here now and/or hereafter without dieing.
the flame is what nobody has seen, it is more scientific, every single of the atom is going to be bursting into flame for a very longtime, how long it will take to kill a person, nobody knows. but for example, if it burn for 1000 years, it will will take 3000 years to cool down.

Hereafter, it is here on earth after the wicked must have been driven into the flames, the Hereafter is what even the angels have not seen, not even Jesus. the looks of the place is only known to GOD alone.
which means the flame will be burning on one part of the earth, and on the same earth will be Hereafter.

Adam and Eve (the whiteman), were not the first, perhaps not in the first a lot of people (black and the native indians and indians). others are just 6500 years old is japanese, chinese is 6300 years old, caucasian is 6100 years this year. The black people as far as we could record is 76 trillion years old. do you thing these people can beat us in anything?

Expressions:
This is a hoax as it has not been verified as authentic news since a year ago when it was first fabricated

I'd like to hear from the Catholic faithfuls

blank:
You can change your name via court (extremely important) and then publish in the papers.

As per Naija things, it can be difficult but not impossible cos u will always need to show your court affidavit and newspaper publication to clear up issues. Getting your international passport changed and then getting your drivers license changed.

But people have done it and had no issues.

ayoku777:
That's true, knowledge is progressive and intimacy with the Holy Spirit is the only way to guide and guard against error.

ayoku777:
If you followed the discussion, you will see that what i was trying to correct is the impression that there is no difference between magic and miracle. That since all power belongs to God, both magic and miracle are then the power of God.

I was trying to show that that impression is wrong emphatically. Because it implies that its ok for people to visit or patronize magicians, or sorcerers and witches, as long as what you visit them for is not evil or to hurt another. That magicians, sorcerers etc are also using the power of God.

That is wrong. While it is true that God gave the Devil the power he has now, that doesn't mean going to the devil or his familiar spirits for help is still using the power of God. Jesus classified such as "the power of the enemy".

Any supernatural power not channeled through the Holy Spirit in the name of Jesus is not the power of God, it is the power of the enemy, and it leads to greater bondage.

So its never safe to patronize magicians, sorcerers, or diviners and soothsayers.

Now about false prophets who minister in the name of Jesus with the power of the enemy like the sons of scevas.

I gave three points on how to know miracles done by the holy spirit.

1: it will be done in the name of Jesus

2: it will glorify Christ and draw attention to Him, not to any other person, not even the person performing the miracle.

3: the fruit of the act will lead men to Christ and to Christ-likeness and His kingdom

Then if the false prophet seem to meet all this criteria (which would be very unusual and rare); in that case the "gift of discernemt of spirits" (one of the nine charismatic gifts of the Spirit) will be the solution.

ayoku777:
I gave three points, why did you quote only one. I said the act must draw attention to Christ and lead mean to Christ-likeness. Why did you omit those two points?

Expressions:
About things being done in the name of Jesus I get. But you know as always religion reduced its significance.
When Christ said Ask in my Name... It could only mean that whatever you do (even by way of asking) do or ask in accordance with what I stand for-the Truth in line with the Will of my Father. Otherwise when for instance He taught us how to pray, He would have begun with: 'in the name of Jesus'. Don't get me wrong though I'm just saying because you find even armed robbers, assassins etc pray in the name of Jesus asking for their venture to be successful. You can imagine that low mentality.

In that light you may throw more light on false prophets pastors...you should know that the so called evil priests due to low patronage now operate as pastors, healing in the name of esus and 'leading' people to Christ.

ayoku777:
Any supernatural act not performed by the Holy Spirit, in the name of Jesus and for the glory of the Father is NOT GOOD -no matter the 'good' done with it. It is done by devil or by familiar spirits, or by a spirit other than the Holy Spirit, so its evil.

If you want to know supernatural acts done or performed by the Holy Spirit:

1: It will be done in the name of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. Not any other name, whether Beelzebub or Ogun or Krishna.