truthman2012:


Trash!!!

You have no place to hide.

Is quran 19:55 the revelation allahh claimed he gave to Ishmael?

Was it Ishmael allahh spoke to in that verse or Muhammad?

Now look at this:

[Quran 19:54 Pickthal] And make mention in the Scripture of Ishmael. Lo! he was a keeper of his promise, and he was a messenger (of Allah), a prophet.

Where is the SCRIPTURE OF ISHMAEL that contains the revelations given to him?

You are hereby proved wrong that quran 19:55 is the revelation given to Ishmael.

That's not a correct translation of the verse. Pickthal translation is wrong there. The correct translation is.

"And mention in the Book (the Qur'ân) Ismâ'il (Ishmael). Verily! He was true to what he promised, and he was a Messenger, (and) a Prophet."

SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
And mention in the Book, Ishmael. Indeed, he was true to his promise, and he was a messenger and a prophet

Yusuf Ali : Also mention in the Book (the story of) Ismail: He was (strictly) true to what he promised and he was an apostle (and) a prophet.

Asad : AND CALL to mind, through this divine writ, Ishmael.39 Behold, he was always true to his promise, and was an apostle [of God], a prophet,

Malik : Also relate to them the story of Isma`il in the Book; he was a man of his word and was a Rasool, a Prophet.

You choose one and forget others. This disprove your whole claim

IAYUSUF:
The correct translation of GENESIS 16:10 –12 is seen in the earliest translation to Greek. The Septuagint translation

"You shall bear a son and call his name Ishmael . . . He shall be a countryman, his hands on all, and the hands of all on him, and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren."

“he will be a countryman” (i.e. a rustic living in the wilderness) is obviously from a Vorlage reading arb “country, forest, prairie” (BDB 141; Jastrow 188–189) for the MT arp.3 The Greek text made the land wild rather than Ishmael.
Excerpt from the book CLARIFYING BAFFLING BIBLICAL PASSAGES CHAPTER THREE “ISHMAEL: A PEACE MAKER GENESIS 16:10 –12” by a scholar Thomas F. McDaniel, Ph.D.

This is written to show the biased attitude in translating the Bible.

The correct translation of GENESIS 16:10 –12 is seen in the earliest translation to Greek. The Septuagint translation

"You shall bear a son and call his name Ishmael . . . He shall be a countryman, his hands on all, and the hands of all on him, and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren."

“he will be a countryman” (i.e. a rustic living in the wilderness) is obviously from a Vorlage reading arb “country, forest, prairie” (BDB 141; Jastrow 188–189) for the MT arp.3 The Greek text made the land wild rather than Ishmael.
Excerpt from the book CLARIFYING BAFFLING BIBLICAL PASSAGES CHAPTER THREE “ISHMAEL: A PEACE MAKER GENESIS 16:10 –12” by a scholar Thomas F. McDaniel, Ph.D.

truthman2012:
Say ye: “We believe in Allah, and
the revelation given to us, and to
Abraham, Isma’il, Isaac, Jacob,
and the Tribes, and that given to
Moses and Jesus, and that given to
(all) prophets from their Lord: We
make no difference between one
and another of them: And we bow
to Allah (in Islam).” Qur’an 2:136.

What was the revelations given to Ishmael that qualified him to be a prophet?

Firstly you notice a distinction from those who were given books and those who weren't in the verse above.

To the question.
Abraham was eighty six years old when Ishmael was born (Genesis 16:16). When Abraham reached ninety-nine years of age, Ishmael was thirteen years old and remained the only son of Abraham. Now, God promises to establish his covenant with all of Abraham's "seed" without exception:
"And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.."
Genesis 17:7-8.

God now informs Abraham that his covenant shall be given through circumcision, so Abraham immediately circumcises himself and Ishmael, the father of the Arabs (Genesis 17:23), thus establishing God's covenant with Ishmael.

To this day, all Muslims practice circumcision. The "sign and seal" (Romans 4:11) of the Abrahamic covenant.

And if you want a clear verse from the Bible that state a prophet. Were was Isaac called a prophet directly.

plappville:
Some Ishmaelites through Islam are fighting against the rest of the world. Daesh is threating to attack Washington, France and Italy. These nations you attack feed you, give your children free education, free accommodation, etc. The same people you run to for refuge are the same people you are killing. Muslims be reasonable and question the Qur'an. It's evil and should be questioned.

They threaten to attack the west but the people they attack are the Muslims. The people with greatest casualties are the Muslims.

Using my previous post you should check the
THE SEPTUAGINT TRANSLATION
You shall bear a son and call his name Ishmael . . . He shall be a countryman, his hands on all, and the hands of all on him, and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.


Or read the book
"CLARIFYING BAFFLING BIBLICAL PASSAGES CHAPTER THREE “ISHMAEL: A PEACE MAKER" GENESIS 16:10 –12” by a Bible scholar Thomas F. McDaniel, Ph.D.

I am sure you don't care to read because. You aren't interested in the truth. Well keep showing ignorance.
Just to help release you from the Ignorance the Septuagint translation of the old testament is a translation of the Hebrew Bible and some related texts into Koine Greek . As the primary Greek translation of the Old Testament , it is also called the Greek Old Testament . This translation is quoted a number of times in the
New Testament , particularly in Pauline epistles, and also by the Apostolic Fathers and later Greek Church Fathers .

plappville:
Ishmael Cursed?

The Angel of God gives a pronouncement about the child in Hagars womb.

(Genesis 16:10-12 ) 10 “I will increase your descendants so much that they will be too numerous to count.”


11 “You will give birth to a son. You shall name him Ishmael, for the Lord has hear of your misery.”


12 “He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone’s hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers.”

Did God cursed Ishmael Seeing what is happening today. You will conclude that The so-called Arab people are cursed through Ishmael they kill others and also kill themselves. People hate them because they hate others. They like violence. Thier children live and grow up in a violent environment. They see nothing wrong in it. What exactly is this statement from God . Curse or blessing?

The verse is translated so because of Jewish hostility to Ishmael.
Well get your enlightened. Here is an analysis of the real translation

We try to briefly examine, was prophet Ishmael( ﺹ ) really a ‘Wild Ass’ Man (Astaghfirullah) or Is it a deliberate character assassination due to the enmities which arose in prophet Abraham’s extended family contributed to the translation of Gen 16: 12?
Genesis 16:11-12
וַיֹּ֤אמֶר לָהּ֙ מַלְאַ֣ךְ יְהוָ֔ה הִנָּ֥ךְ הָרָ֖ה וְיֹלַ֣דְתְּ בֵּ֑ןוְקָרָ֤את שְׁמוֹ֙ יִשְׁמָעֵ֔אל כִּֽי־שָׁמַ֥ע יְהוָ֖ה אֶל־עָנְיֵֽךְ
And the angel of the LORD said unto her: ‘Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son; and thou shalt call his name Ishmael, because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.
וְה֤וּא יִהְיֶה֙ פֶּ֣רֶא אָדָ֔ם יָד֣וֹ בַכֹּ֔ל וְיַ֥ד כֹּ֖ל בּ֑וֹוְעַל־פְּנֵ֥י כָל־אֶחָ֖יו יִשְׁכֹּֽן
And he shall be a
wild ass of a man ( pere’āḏām ): his hand shall be with every man, and every man’s hand with him; and he shall dwell in the face of all his brethren.’
If we look for the direct arabic cognate for the hebrew פֶּ֣רֶא pere in arabic it is ﻓَﺮَﺍﺀ
fara ’
LANE Arabic-English Lexicon give the following entry for ﻓَﺮَﺍﺀ
ﺍﻓﺮﺍﺀ . (M, K.) Hence the saying, ﻛﻞ ﺍﻟﺼﻴﺪ ﻓﻰ ﺟﻮﻑ ﺍﻟﻔﺮﺍ [Every kind of game is in the belly (or might enter into the belly) of the wild ass];
This archaic saying which has been recorded in the hadith of prophet Muhammad indicates the nuance of the term “wild ass” it denotes superiority as what the saying mean is every animal is inferior to the wild ass, as though the wild ass were a carnivore able to devour whatever it chooses.
However there are several roots in Hebrew that begin with the two consonants פ and ר (P and R) and interestingly those are connected with the concept of fertility and fruits of nature. Obviously such concepts in Hebrew like in other languages are also used figuratively: the Hebrew פֶּ֣רֶא pere can also be from the same root with the word
פָּרָא para meaning “fruit”.
This option is very much possible since the hebrew text did not use vocalisation from the beginning and diacritical markings was introduced later.
The usage of word פָּרָא mis found in Hosea 13:15 , we read:
… כִּ֣י ה֔וּא בֵּ֥ן אַחִ֖ים יַפְרִ֑יא יָב֣וֹא קָדִים֩ ר֨וּחַ יְהוָ֜המִמִּדְבָּ֣ר
Though He will be the most fruitful (yaphri) of all his brothers, the east wind–a blast from the LORD–will arise in the desert.
Here in the above passage יַפְרִ֑יא yaphri , the stem could be פרא (p-r -‘) as well as פרה ( p-r -h )
Something fruitful makes much more sense if instead of “wild ass human being” it may simply be another way of stating what appears unambiguously in Genesis 17:20,
וּֽלְיִשְׁמָעֵאל֮ שְׁמַעְתִּיךָ֒ הִנֵּ֣ה ׀ בֵּרַ֣כְתִּי אֹתֹ֗ו וְהִפְרֵיתִ֥י אֹתֹ֛ו וְהִרְבֵּיתִ֥י אֹתֹ֖ו בִּמְאֹ֣ד מְאֹ֑ד שְׁנֵים־עָשָׂ֤ר נְשִׂיאִם֙ יֹולִ֔יד וּנְתַתִּ֖יו לְגֹ֥וי גָּדֹֽול׃
And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him
fruitful (wehiphreithi ) and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation.
Having thus dealt with those possible hebrew roots Genesis 16:12 should read:
And he shall be a fruitful man: his hand shall be with every man, and every man’s hand with him; and he shall dwell in the face of all his brethren.’
Note :
Some Christian/jews translation render בַכֹּ֔ל
bekol to
“against every man” this is dishonest because nothing in the original text indicate as such , בַ is simply “with”
Septuagint Translation of Genesis 16:12
Interesting to observe that Septuagint version for the term “wild ass of a man” is ἔσται ἄγροικος ἄνθρωπος estai agroikos anthrōpos
We read
12 οὗτος ἔσται ἄγροικος ἄνθρωπος αἱ χεῖρες αὐτοῦ ἐπὶ πάντας, καὶ αἱ χεῖρες πάντων ἐπ᾿ αὐτόν, καὶ κατὰ πρόσωπον πάντων τῶν ἀδελφῶν αὐτοῦ κατοικήσει.
Septuagint specialist Robert J. V. Hiebert, Ph.D. renders the greek phrase ἔσται ἄγροικος ἄνθρωπος estai agroikos anthrōpos , as “he shall be a rustic man ” this means a countrymen living in the rural areas or wilderness [4]
This translation reflects a slightly different reading from the Hebrew פּרא to possibly hebrew variant of בָּרָא bar’
Strong’s Concordance
bar: (an open) field
Original Word: בָּרָא
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: bar
Phonetic Spelling: (bar)
Short Definition: field
Here the word field possibly refer to Vorlage reading ברא means “country”.
Interestingly enough Greek text suggest that it is the land which is wild rather than the man i.e. Ishmael.
If the Vorlage of the Septuagint had ברא, instead of the Masoretes פּרא , , two Arabic cognates are of great interest.
The first is ﺑَﺮّ ( barra ) Which means
“devoted and righteous [towards his father or parents, and towards God and all kind of good and affectionate and gentle in behaviour, towards his kindred; and kind, or good, in his dealings with strangers” (Lane Lexicon).
So the angel’s announcement to Hagar that her son would become ﺍﻟﺒﺮ (the righteous) may well have assured her that her son would show her due filial piety and manifest godly devotion. Such a prediction would have been a welcomed promise.
This makes more perfect sense than the angel would announce to her that her son would become a “wild ass” who would continually fight with his brothers such as the predominant christian and jewish translations.
Second Arabic cognate ﺑﺮﺃ (bara ’) which means
“free, secure, safe, free from disease, distress or debt” (Lane Lexicon),
This could provide further insight into what may well have been a double entendre in the original tradition. For the slave woman to be promised that her son would be free would have been great news, helping her make her own bondage bearable.
The angel’s word to Hagar that Ishmael would be פּרא may not have been understood by Hagar as meaning “an onager man” or “wild ass human being.”


In conclusion
Brief philological analysis of the Hebrew texts of Genesis 16:12 using possible Hebrew roots and definitions, most of which have survived as cognates in classical Arabic. These include:
ברא “forest, wilderness, country”
בר “filial piety, kind to strangers, devotion to God”
ברא “free, secure, safe”
פּרא “to bear fruit, to have progeny”
Now it becomes a little easier to understand just what the angel said to Hagar and what it was that the narrator actually said about Ishmael. Far from being negative, derogatory, or racist, the words about Ishmael and the Ishmaelites in Genesis were laudatory and compatible with the divine promise to Abraham that, through his progeny, “all the families of the earth shall be blessed” (Gen 12:3).

plappville:
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ISIS terrorists told 'women will become Muslim if 10 fighters rape her'[/size]

10:50, 9 OCT 2015 UPDATED 13:08, 9 OCT 2015 BY ANTHONY BOND
One 22-year-old victim of the terror group says she was raped by one ISIS fighter before he passed her onto 11 of his friends
ISIS militants are raping women in the belief it will make them Muslim, it has been claimed
ISIS terrorists are raping women in the sickening belief that it will make them Muslim, terrified victims have said.

Reports from Iraq say the terror group is using religion to justify horrific rape, murder and slavery for women in the country.

Witnesses say the terror group is attacking villages, killing the men and taking away women to abuse.

One 22-year-old victim was sold into slavery when ISIS took over her village in Sinjar.

Speaking to CNN, she tells how a terrorist picked her out and raped her before passing her onto 11 of his friends who also raped her.
He showed her a letter from his superiors which said that a woman will become a Muslim if ten ISIS men rape her.

The woman, who has remained anonymous, said about her attacker: "He showed me a letter and said, 'This shows any captured women will become Muslim if 10 ISIS fighters rape her.'
"There was a flag of ISIS and a picture of Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi."


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/isis-terrorists-told-women-become-6602066

This is a recent news showing Allah's armies are still in actions.

If ISIS did this, then it proves my claims that they aren't Islamic.
YOU STILL HAVEN'T POSTED A SINGLE VERSE FROM THE QURAN TO PROVE THEIR ACTIONS.
There is nowhere in Quran and Hadeeth or the sayings of pious Scholars that allows rape talk less of gang rape

Read this article to show Islam stance on rape
islamqa.info/en/72338

I get to see. You are here to argue blindly and can't prove a point except by secular argument

The more you prove rape and unjust killings by ISIS the more you show. They aren't Islamic.

plappville:


This man never tires of women. He is the root of muslims men raping women today.

You are been ignorant and abusive. Yet you can't bring ONE SINGLE VERSE THAT ACCEPTS RAPE.
JUST SOME EMOTIONAL ARGUMENT AND ISIS FOOLISHNESS. THAT DOESN'T DEFINE ISLAM. YET I POSTED VERSES FROM THE BIBLE THAT CONDONES IT.

I APOLOGIZE TO OTHER CHRISTIAN FOR POSTING THOSE VERSES BUT I WANTED TO SHOW YOU THAT

Read this article that shows Islam stance on rape.
islamqa.info/en/72338

plappville:


Umm, i know you can only point at this self claimed pastor in ur comments. I mean you (muslims ). Shame shame shame!! Than God This man cant provide a verse to support his acts. But muslims can qoute the quran to support thier prophet and his companions were once rapists so they followed thier footsteps. If you are to use this man to tag Christianity even if no bible verse supports his atrocities. By doing this you are then coursing more harm to islam because there are so many rape history from islamic states and Allah's armies are proud rapists. Even the socalled sharia law State, Saudi has homo history. Or are you not aware of the 2010 homosexuality event between Saud Abdulaziz Bin Nasir Al Saud, the grandson of the king of Saudi Arabia, who murdered Bandar Abdulaziz his servant in a luxury London hotel after subjecting him to weeks of physical and sexual abuse? take a look at the pictures it will refresh ur memories. ..

There is no biblical verse to support the pastor claims. That's pure lie.
Here are the verses

Read 1) Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)
2. Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)

3. More Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)
4. Rape of Female Captives (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)
5. Sex Slaves (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
6. G_d Assists Rape and Plunder (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)
Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the
nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished (raped) ; half of the city
shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)
The ISIS have never raped and supported their claims from the Quran. Show me a verse in the Quran that encourages rape.

The verses in the Bible shows Murder, Rape, and Slavery.

And for your information Islam FROWNS AT RAPE.

You talk of Prince of Saudi doing something you can't prove. No reference to your claims.

"Saudi Arabia, the world's largest oil producer and Washington's closest Arab ally for more than a half century, follows a strict interpretation of Islam that calls for the death penalty for murder, rape, drug trafficking and armed robbery. (http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/meast/07/20/saudi.beheading.ap/index.html ) "


Read that and get yourself enlightened
AGAIN NO SINGLE VERSE OF THE QURAN CONDONES RAPE

plappville:


So what makes you think your claims are valide and not thiers?

Firstly, my claims is what the majority of Muslim Scholars accept.
And the Prophet said don't go into extremism in religion and that is what they do

trapQ:
I asked a simple question which you failed to answer. I repeat, name one Christian country that passes the death penalty for apostasy.

Now to answer you, when Jesus Christ died, those laws were abolished. you can read Matthew 5:38-43.
Those Abrahamic laws are dead and gone.

Jesus never fought nor killed anybody, your Mohammed did. he beheaded and killed thousands. A Christian is someone who is Christ like. we are not permitted to do things that don't glorify God because every unrighteousness is sin.

besides, did you miss the part of the ten commandments where GOD said "thou shall not kill"??.

Starting from the first claim that I didn't answer your question. well it's your judgement. There aren't countries that follows Christianity again. The west follows liberalism or secularism. So Christians or Jews have no power to do that.
We see forced conversion in Christian history which you guys don't do and can't do now for you have no nation.
The prophet Muhammad pbuh controlled a nation and had to use some capital laws. Jesus didn't so he had no power to.
But when you look at prophet of the old that ruled a nation. God gave them those kind of laws.

sasquareT:

Brother I must tell you the fact that those guyz are more Muslim than ur so called Islamic scholar why am I saying this?
Have you check or read about the history of Islam at all? right from the day of Moh'd (pbuh)
The way people are forced to follow islamic teaching?
Even in Nigeria here have you bother to ask how quoran was giving to the in the North? Then it is either quoran or your head.
Small time you people will say Islam is the fastest growing on earth....if islam should advance the way xtian does I doubt if the religion will have move past Medina today.

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Brother your assertion is false because the Boko Haram have not given clear proves for their actions but the Scholars have spent years and years studying Islam and the Sharia. This people you say are not real Muslims. This is not a good claim.
The Islamic history wasn't perfect but the life of the prophet (saw) was. You can succeed in cherry picking verses and hadeeth from here and there to prove violence. but we have to check what the Sharia says on it and not what you conclude on it. This is where the Scholars come in.

The Uthman Dan Fodio jihad wasn't perfect but you need to check the historical context. The hausa were oppressing the fulani because of their religion. Muslim women were been stripped naked and raped. People were killed which led to the revolt. He organized a jihad against them and was successful. He might have been brutal in some cases but don't leave the historical context.
Islam spread more by intellect than by sword. The people under Islamic nation were left to practice their religion but pay tax (Jizya) but my question is which army was in Indonesia (the largest Muslim nation), Malaysia and which army is in UK forcing convert as it is rising there.
Now was the Christians history perfect and did it spread perfectly peaceful

In 392 Emperor Theodosius 1 decreed that
Christianity was the only legal religion of the
Roman Empire , and forbidding pagan practices by law:

"It is Our will that all the peoples who are ruled by the administration of Our Clemency shall practice that religion which the divine Peter the Apostle transmitted to the Romans....The rest, whom We adjudge demented and insane, shall sustain the infamy of heretical dogmas, their meeting places shall not receive the name of churches, and they shall be smitten first by divine vengeance and secondly by the retribution of Our own initiative " (Codex Theodosianus XVI 1.2.). [3]"


Medieval era
During the Saxon Wars , Charlemagne , King of the Franks , forcibly Roman Catholicized the
Saxons from their native Germanic paganism by way of warfare and law upon conquest. Examples include the Massacre of Verden in 782, during which Charlemagne reportedly had 4,500 captive Saxons massacred upon rebelling against conversion, and the Capitulatio de partibus Saxoniae, a law imposed on conquered Saxons in 785 which prescribes death to those that refuse to convert to Christianity. [4][5]

Many more but this enough. Source
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_conversion

plappville:


These people kill by calling thier God. And you think you can convince others they do not call the god of the Qur'an? They always have the Qur'an in thier hands..there is something the terrorists know about the Qur'an that you do not know. It can also be the other way round.

Yar, this people kill in the name of Allah but doesn't make their claims valid. The prophet talks about them as I have shown in previous comments.
Anyway the very Quran they hold says
“And whoever kills a believer intentionally, his punishment is Hell; he shall abide in it, and Allah will send His wrath on him and curse him and prepare for him a painful chastisement.” (Surah an-Nisā’ 4:93)

It pains me that people (non-Muslims are more happy to show that this people are the "real Muslims" than they are to find the truth. The prophet talks on accusing Muslims of disbelieve which they do frequently.
"Anyone who claims that his fellow Muslim is a disbeliever or calls him an enemy of Allaah The Almighty while he is not, then this accusation"

Even a Muslim that does something of disbelieve can't be called disbelievers by me talk less of killing him which they do and did recently with shi'ite.

And the prophet said something clearly
Saheeh al-Bukhaari (3166) from ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Amr (may Allaah be pleased with him) who narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever killed a mu’aahid (non-Muslims in Islamic nation) will not smell the fragrance of Paradise, although its fragrance may be detected from a distance of forty years’ travel.” Imam al-Bukhaari included this report in a chapter in his Saheeh entitled “Chapter: the sin of one who kills a mu’aahid unlawfully.”

sasquareT:


Bless you brother.
1. I want you to approach every issue and confusion in the Islamic world today with open mind and don't be bias.
You cant deny the fact that if the Op of this thread is within the reach of some Folks on this thread that they won't do otherwise to him or her.
What are we even saying someone practising his religion without coursing Islam was killed how much more of someone who speak against them.
So am saying again is see Islam as what it is.
2. That the Miracle of Jesus christ is not enough to call him some of God agreed
But what about all the testimony before he was born? and • Isaiah 7:14—Isaiah prophesies that a pure young woman will give birth to God’s son.
• Matthew 1:18–23—Isaiah’s prophecy is fulfilled.
• Isaiah 9:6—Isaiah prophesies that Jesus Christ will come as a baby; Jesus is described by several names. So he could be Servant as he has rightly demostrated to us in so many case and God at the same time.
• Micah 5:2—Micah prophesies that Jesus will be born in Bethlehem.
• Matthew 2:4–6—The scribes knew that Bethlehem was the prophesied birthplace of the Messiah.
• Luke 1:26–31—A virgin named Mary will be the mother of Jesus Christ.
• Luke 2:4–7—Jesus is born.
• Matthew 2:2—A new star appeared in Israel.
So my dear there are prophesy about his birth and who he really was.
3. Sir with due respect what make you really believe that Moh'd (peace be upon him) as in your conviction that he is a prophet pls I need and ansa to this
4. The verse quoted by this terrorist are you telling me is not in the quoran and if it is perhaps maybe they dn't no how to interpret it, if so can you quote one of the verses and interpret to us please

4 you said mirracle is not enough to Justify the Son ship of christ now I have given you some testimony about him from the prophet of old.
Now tell us what Justify Moh'd ( PBUH) to be prophet.

Thanks a lot sir

Now, This is a better spirit of dialogue and this is what the Quran calls for

“Invite (all) to the Way of your Rabb (Cherisher and Sustainer) with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for your Rabb knows best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.”
(16:125)

1. With an open mind. I know and believe that Islam is facing a great trial because we have left knowledge. Learning Islam. So people fall into traps of people who are motivated to rule and use Islam as a cover.
If we want this to stop. We have to listen to Islamic scholars have to say as they take us to the context of Islamic history. Rather than giving preference to the terrorists who have hijacked Islam.

2. Now you have admitted miracles can't prove divinity
So you quoted Isaiah 7 :14 to prove Jesus divinity

Isaiah 7:13-16 (NIV) 13 Then Isaiah said, “Hear now, you house of David! Is it not enough to try the patience of humans? Will you try the patience of my God also? 14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel. 15 He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, 16 for before the boy knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, the land of the two kings you dread will be laid waste..


From the above verse we can see:
Isaiah is frustrated and says he will give a “SIGN” to Ahaz.
We see the child will be born from a “Virgin” (Trinitarian translation).
The child that is to be born will be named “Immanuel.”
The child will learn to reject evil…. “boy knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right.”

1. “Sign to Ahaz“
What sort of “SIGN” would it be to Ahaz when he will never see it? How can this Prophecy be of Jesus when he (Messiah) came 700 years after Ahaz? If I say “I will show you a sign.” Shouldn’t I show you the “sign” sooner or later, while you are still alive? How can this passage make any sense if Christian trinitarians say ‘this is a Prophecy of Jesus?’ The correct view that is regarded by majority of Scholars is that the “sign” was fulfilled at the time of Ahaz, while he was alive. It would make no sense whatsoever if the “SIGN” to Ahaz comes 700 years later while he is dead.
2 Does “Almah” mean “virgin?”
Theodore Gerald Soares PH.D. Professor of religious Education in University of Chicago comments on the Hebrew word “Almah”:
The meaning of Almah, translated “virgin” is not certain. Generally it seems to signify a young marriageable woman, but it is possibly used of those already married, as we should have a bride.
The Septuagint several times translates the word Almah, “young woman” (Exodus, 2:8; Pss. 46:1; 68:26; Song of Songs, 1:30- 6:. In none of these passages is the idea of virginity implied. ”[1]
B) Professor H. G. Mitchell says:
“Note Almah means: ‘the young woman of marriageable age’ (indefinite use of the article) i.e. “young woman.” [2]

3 Does the name “Immanuel” indicate the child will be Divine, a Prophecy of Jesus?
Reverend Professor Theodore Gerald Soares, D. D., University of Chicago:
“Isaiah uttered the striking oracle, 7:13-17. There is nothing to indicate that the sign which was to be given was the miraculous conception of a child. The oracle would have been the same if the prophet said, “behold, a maiden shall be married and shall bear a son.” Etc. The sign is in the name of the child, and in the political conditions occurring within the time of the child’s birth and growth.” [10]

Haven said that I don't think it claims divinity for Jesus



Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace

Isaiah 9:6 is not talking about a future prophecy

1.It says a child has been born
2. Biblical Scholar Arthur Samuel Peake writes:
‘Mighty God’. Better, divine warrior, (Heb. El Gibbor, literally, a God of a warrior). The term ‘El’ was not exclusively used of beings believed to be really divine (x. 21) but was employed also of men in whom, as invested with godlike power or authority… The expression Divine warrior describes the child as endued with superhuman prowess

Many other scholars have that claim.
3. When did Jesus ever run any government? When was Jesus ever called a Wonderful Counselor, or a Mighty Gd, or an Everlasting Father, or a Prince of Peace? Jesus was never called by any of these names anywhere in the Christians' New Testament and not at all in his own lifetime.
4. Hebrew names sometimes say something about Gd. The name Michael means 'who is like Gd.' The name Elihu means 'my Gd is He,' or 'He is my Gd.' The name Immanuel means 'Gd is with us,' just to give a few examples. If someone has the name, Elihu, (again, meaning 'He is my Gd') would that mean that the human being known as Elihu is Gd? These names say something about Gd, even though they are the names of ordinary human beings. A better translation to the verse in question might be: ...and his name will be called, 'A wonderful counselor is the mighty Gd, an everlasting father is the ruler of peace.'


As for Micah 5: 2.
New American Standard Bible (©1995) Micah 5:2 “But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Too little to be among the clans of Judah, From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel. His goings forth are from long ago, From the days of eternity .”

Here it is used as days of eternity but the same word is used in

New American Standard Bible (©1995) Micah 7:14 Shepherd Your people with Your scepter, The flock of Your possession Which dwells by itself in the woodland, In the midst of a fruitful field. Let them feed in Bashan and Gilead As in the days of old.

Notice how in Micah 5:2 they have written “From the days of eternity .” But when it comes to Micah 7:14 they have written “in the days of old.” In both passages the Hebrew words that are used is “yowm owlam” ( יום עולם ). How come for one they write one thing and for the other something else? You see from here Trinitarian’s love twisting and changing words.

Here is another verse
New American Standard Bible (©1995) Micah 5:20 You will give truth to Jacob And unchanging love to Abraham, Which You swore to our forefathers From the days of old.
Same words use.

This doesn't prove divinity

Bible Commentary on Micah 5:2
Professor D. Winton Thomas says:
The exile and the return to Jerusalem are here presupposed. A Messiah who will belong to one of the oldest families , that of David (Ezek. 34:23f. ; Am 9:11), will come out of Bethlehem Ephrathah, despite its insignificance ( 2; MT 2:5). Until his birth Israel will be given up Yahweh. [1]

Sorry My post is long but you gave something that deserves a book to be written for

Almost forgot. I pray for peace and guidance of the Creator for us all

plappville:


So you keep saying yet they use the killing strategy to prove they are the true Muslims. Be bold enough, call boko haram, travel to the north and have a contrat talk with them by refuting thier claim. Because their acts is based on the Quran.

I am considered a disbeliever to them. They are not bold enough to debate the Muslim Scholars. The letter sent to ISIS by Muslim Scholars last 2 years hasn't been answered. They are the real cowards. They quote out of context. Especially BOKOHARAM.

You aren't fair, the same people ready to kill Muslims that are against them. You are asking me to go to them.
They should agree to debate online or anything. Through letter but they dont

OLAADEGBU:


Don't be surprised that they've deceived most of these blind secular countries and media houses into believing their so called al taqqiya.

Read this article that explains if there is anything like taqiya is mainstream Islam.
discover-the-truth.com/2015/01/24/response-to-taqiyya-deception-lying/

Muslim academics, they all agree that this doctrine (Taqiyya, Takiya) is only endorsed by the Shia, which make up 15 to 20% of the World’s Muslim population. The rest, 80% of the World’s Muslims, who are Sunni, have never had such doctrine or endorsed such: Click here for the article.


The Quran refutes anything like taqiya
O YOU who have attained to faith! Be ever steadfast in upholding equity, bearing witness to the truth for the sake of God, even though it be against your own selves or your parents and kinsfolk. Whether the person concerned be rich or poor, God’s claim takes precedence over [the claims of] either of them. Do not, then, follow your own desires, lest you swerve from justice: for if you distort [the truth], behold, God is indeed aware of all that you do! – Quran 4:135
O ye who believe! Be careful of your duty to Allah, and be with the truthful . – Quran 9:119

trapQ:
In the world today, which group of people aren't allowed to serve their religion in peace?? Answer: CHRISTIANS.

there's a death penalty for Muslim to Christian apostates in most Islamic countries, but there's no single Christian country that does that. So reevaluate your thinking.

Let us look at Deuteronomy 13:6-9 "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity . Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death . Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people."
Note: the new testament never abolished this in a clear verse

There is punishment in Islam for some apostate but it has a legal context that will take pages to explain.

The original post is large with contradictions. And conflicting ideas. And no quote from any Islamic sources. Simply it is your view of Islam and not necessarily true
1. Islam is not just a religion but a complete way of life. It is also a state. The state uses the Sharia. It's the law that God gave to Muslims to government with. But we are told to follow the laws of the land we live in. We hate in our hearts any evil that is allowed in the land like Adultery and others.

2. Islam means peace acquired through the submission to the Creator. There are maybe 109 verse that talks about contest of War with Kafir or Transgressors but there is a total of 6000 verses in the Quran. None of the verses when taking in context historically calls for open violence. Getting arabic words doesn't prove anything " Dar al-Harb" it doesn't appear in the Quran.
There is a very simple clear verse in the Quran that states the context of the verses on war.

60:8
SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.

3. Your point number 3 is your view and not Islamic view. You didn't site any source. The prophet stated clearly in a Sahih hadeeth

Abdullah ibn Abu Awfa reported: On the day the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, faced the enemy in battle, he waited until the sun had declined and then he stood in front of the people and the Prophet said, “ O people, do not desire to meet the enemy but rather ask Allah for security. If you meet your enemy in battle, then be patient and know that Paradise is under the shade of swords.” Then the Prophet said, “O Allah, the revealer of the Book, the mover of the clouds, the defeater of the confederates! Defeat the unbelievers and grant us victory.”
Source: Sahih Bukhari 2861
Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Bukhari

This hadeeth invalidate the whole claim of the post

4. Again you sited no prove. There isn't a place that allows lying in Islam except in the following conditions

1. To make peace between two friends to avoid feud (or bloodshed)
2. To make your spouse happy
3. In war, to get the upper hand against the enemy.
4. When one is persecuted, he can say things which may not be true
5. To make someone escape torture from a tyrant, to avoid handing over an innocent person to an oppressor.

The Bible accept lying in the following
– Lying in order to save innocent lives from being killed
– Using deception in war so as to get the upper hand
– Lying in order to conceal your motives
– Lying so one can escape persecution
– Deceiving so you don’t get harmed
– Advancing the Christian faith by means of deception

Evidence
1. Exodus 1:15-22 – Midwives
2. Exodus 3:22 – YHWH & Israelites
3. Joshua 2:2-7 – Rahab
4. 2 Kings 6:18-20 – Elisha & YHWH
5. Judges 4:9 – Jael
6. 2 Samuel 17:17-20 – Spy
7. 1 Samuel 16:1-3 – Samuel & YHWH
8. 1 Kings 22:20-22 – Spirit & YHWH
9. 1 Samuel 19:11-17 – Michal
10. 1 Samuel 21:1-3 – David
11. 1 Samuel 27:10 – David
New Testament:
12. John 7:8-10 – Jesus
13. Mark 14:66:71 – Peter
14. 1 Corinthians 9:19-23 – Paul
Many past pastors support this. I will quote in other comments

5. Non-Muslims under Islamic laws have to pay Jizya(tax) which should be burdensome. Women, children and weak adults aren't to pay it. It's use to develop non Muslims community. Muslim are to pay Zakah, Zakatul fitr, they are to defend the community. The non-Muslims are excused from Jizya if they join the Military and defend the community. Read this article for prove of what I just said www.answering-christianity.com/jizyah.htm


6. Muslim aren't forbidden from being kind and just to non Muslims. That's friendship.
60:8
SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.

The Qur’an tells us people we can't befriend in the next verse
9. It is only as regards those who fought against you on account of religion, and have driven you out of your homes, and helped to drive you out, that Allâh forbids you to befriend them. And whosoever will befriend them, then such are the Zâlimûn(wrong-doers those who disobey Allâh).
The Bible also doesn't allow you to befriend non-Christians
"Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?" (2 Corinthians 6:14 ).

7. You have concluded that the Sharia is terrorism and that is problematic. Most of the countries mentioned are Muslim countries but don't follow Sharia really. Anyways, I support and love the Sharia does that make me terrorist. The real Sharia and not what you call Sharia. The Sharia is a wide set of laws and you have no schooling on it. Get enlightened.

8. My question to you is Saudi Arabia rules with Sharia, why isn't it in war with the West. Or they being "UNISLAMIC" as you say.
Malaysia and Indonesia have the largest number of Muslims. Why aren't they fighting and killing non Muslims are they Un Islamic. Again Muslims are more than 25% of world population then we should actually be in total war if the Quran calls for violence.

9. Point 9 again is your view without prove. I can say the uprising in Syria is caused by Israel to break the Islamic nations but I personally have no prove to that as your points also don't have prove or citations. Which originally disprove the whole claim.

10. Point 10 shows the aim of the whole article. Try to demonize Islam with circular arguments. And get to capitalize on Muslims ignorant of Islam. But it won't work. This propaganda increases the number of reverts to Islam because people get to read the Quran and see something entirely different from what you painted. Keep it up.

I pray for the Guidance of the Creator on us all
Allahu alam

plappville:


Do you know what it means to baptize the Messiah? You muslims are blind. You ignore your quran when it comes to make a point. Seriously, none of you can intimidate me with insults. Some of you just display you are Internet terrorists. .the way you throw insults. Proved what you can do if it was to be face to face. Like it is in this picture. ..

Firstly the image is clearly edited. If it's about insults. You Christians have been very abusive since I joined the conversation. Miracles aren't prove for divinity as Jesus said

Jesus raised the dead Elisha did
Jesus' dead body never caused for any dead to come back to life, but Elisha's did
Jesus only restored life, but never actually created one from scratch. Moses, however, did create a live snake from a wooden stick:
Jesus healed the blind. Elisha caused people to be blind and also healed people from blindness.
Jesus healed leprosy Elisha healed leprosy.
Jesus multiplied food. Elisha multiplied food for hundreds.
Conclusion
Using your argument Jesus is God. Elisha is God, Moses is God.
MIRACLES AREN'T PROVE FOR DIVINITY.

Note Even false prophet performs miracles
Deuteronomy 13:1-2
"If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder comes true, concerning which he spoke to you, saying, 'Let us go after other gods (whom you have not known) and let us serve them,'

plappville:
Kids are killers. ..

The prophet (saw) spoke of this people.
"There shall emerge a people in the end of time, YOUNG PEOPLE , DIM-WITTED, recounting the best words of creation, reading the Quran, but their faith does not pass their throats. They shall pass out of the religion just as an arrow passes out of the prey. So wherever you meet them, kill them for truly in killing them is a great reward with Allah on the day of judgement." (It is important to note that these narrations are not an endorsement for vigilante action, as the assumption is that fighting them is conducted under proper authority.)

There are many other hadeeth that talk about them both all points to modern day extremists

The hadeeth which condemns extremism was narrated from ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) who said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Those who go to extremes are doomed.” He said it three times.
Narrated by Muslim (2670).

sasquareT:


Hmmnn I've follow this tread from the beginning now to the end..and I say kudos to the OP and every christian that has contribute in one way or the other
For the other side Mubarak or what is his name was posting Meme of Jesus christ I want to tell you is allow..you and I no that if any of you could set ur eyes on the op nw you will kill him Fact no 1
No2 you are referring to the old testament that our bilble encourage violent Smh for you,is old testament not part of ur Corann, you people coppied from old testament too am I right..we will discus this another day,
but glory be to God who establish a new covenant with us through the NT.
No3 you quoted some bible verse out of contest. Viz Roman 10:13. for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." Here the Apostle where teaching both the Jews and the new convert d gentile, how sufficient the grace our lord Jesus christ is..cos the New Convert Jews were still of the opinion that or the gen tile must past through some Jews tradition before proclaiming them to be saved, but the apostle said no that in as much as you have renown sin and accept christ as your lord and savour then you are save indeed in respective of your tribe and your religion before.
For the second bible verse you quote
Mat7:21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven....NB only the one who does the will of my father who is in heaven" I:e those who. do as the bible commanded in Roman 10 so how is this a contradiction my brother? but rather they complement each other
Fine let me give u muslim a clear illustration.
Your Coran Mention Jesus christ I don't want to no how many time though,and attest to his Miracle but you don't believe in his sonship and neither did u believe is the only way, though you call on his name in coran and made references to some of his work therefore the bible passage mat7:21 is for you go back and read what he says there.
Another case study is your claim to believe in christ as a prophet,my friend that is a Falacy forget it we have so many voice disguising to be true spirit confusing christian today...there was a particular case in the bible where a spirit residing in a slave girl that do see vission and all sort was rebuke by Paul because at the site of Paul she tremble and fear what Paul might do to her, so she begin to say Paul the servant of the most high God, testifying to people but Paul knew it was a cover up to safe her own face and gain more follower so paul rebuked her so what am saying in essence is allow to have the name of our Lord savour written in Coran it all for covered up. Even legion in that mad man confirm who Jesus is in other to seek Jesus sympathy he say what business did we have with you oh son of most high..if you are going to cast us out pls send us into the swin so that we won't be homeless Jesus granted their request..so brother you see having Coran testifying of our God is not new.
Hope I've help your ignorance a bit.
Lastly we pray for you that he in his infinit mercy will one day rescue you.
So whe evr you want to quote bible try and read from like 3verse before the verse you want to quote and atleast 2verse after the verse u are quoting this way you will be able to see and understand what that passage is saying
Remember we don't cram bible d way you memorise your Coran rather we study it.
Shalom
At Op and Annunaki keep the heat on I like it.

The post is quite long but I will deal with it.
1.Firstly, any one that falls into anger and threatens the OP is being emotional and not representing Islam. We are in a free country and we are having a dialogue which originally should be peaceful but you guys are making it to abusive. Did Jesus teach you that. The Quran encourage dialogue.
2. the Quran didn't copy from the old testament because the prophet wasn't literate and if he was there was no arabic Bible in his time. So show me prove where the prophet which say that the prophet (saw) copied from the Bible.

On the other hand the Quran points at stories of the Prophets of old and brings moral lessons from it.

The old testament, you believe it is from God has violent verses so did the same God repent in the new testament and became good not forgetting the new testament says the punishment for disrespectful children is dead. And never abolished slavery or tried to by encouraging freeing of slaves.

3. We Muslims believe Christ and his miracles. We believe he is a prophet. His miracles don't make him God. If it does Elisha in the Bible who raised the dead was God. If he isn't then you fall in fallacy of double standard.
As for Jesus being a prophet it is clear in the Bible that he his a servant and a prophet.

Act 3:13 The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus. You handed him over to be killed, and you disowned him before Pilate, though he had decided to let him go.

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people refer to Jesus (Matthew 21:11 ; Luke 7:16 ; John 4:19 )
Jesus also said he can't do anything on his own (John 5:30)

I hope we all get Matured and have a peaceful Matured dialogue instead of abusing each other. It helps no one.

I actually pray for the Guidance of the Almighty mighty for us all.

plappville:


What else do u know than anus and goat? common, tell me, who rape those muslims women in the picture? Is it difficult to answer

The pictures shows group of Indian protesting against rape in their country which has one of the highest rape rate. Capturing some Muslim that are part of the just cause doesn't make the rape part of Islam
RAPE IS FROWNED AT BY ISLAM
Ibn ‘Abd al-Barr (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
The scholars are unanimously agreed that the rapist is to be subjected to the hadd punishment if there is clear evidence against him that he deserves the hadd punishment, or if he admits to that. Otherwise, he is to be punished (i.e., if there is no proof that the hadd punishment for zina may be carried out against him because he does not confess, and there are not four witnesses, then the judge may punish him and stipulate a punishment that will deter him and others like him). There is no punishment for the woman if it is true that he forced her and overpowered her, which may be proven by her screaming and shouting for help. End quote.
Al-Istidhkaar , 7/146

plappville:

YOU will not get it from me for the sake of the bracket. All the atrocities of islam is sensible to you Ok then, live with it. Its normal that muslims live in shame in The West because of thier stupidity. Calling people who eat none "halah" devils. If they really want to enjoy freedom of Thier religion why not stay in Islamic countries? muslims ran to the West because of too much bordens of the religion. They feel free here. Some of them do not say the 5 x prayers. But their appearance is Muslims.. In fact, Those who live here are not the true Muslims. The true Muslims are the armies of Allah. Boko isis and co...they practice the examples of Muhammad (stress be upon him). If you want the verses ask the armies of Allah. They qoute it each time they kill innocents. Allah supports this killing.

Tell me who rape these Muslim women and be sensible for the first time..

Lol Muslims don't call others Devils in the West and if they do it is wrong to do that.
The uprising in Syria and iraq causes refugees who runs to the west or to Saudi Arabia, UAE, and other Arab countries. Saying they don't pray is up to them. For those weren't Muslims at heart before.
Again saying trash, the true Muslims are the not up to 10% of the total population. Lol.
There is no one single known scholar of Islam whether from Saudi Arabia or Syria or others that accept the deed of ISIS or boko haram.
In short there is a consensus to fight them if we can.
I advise you to read the book "Refuting ISIS" By Sheikh Muhammad al Yaqoubi. If you want truth. If otherwise it between you and the Creator.

The pictures shows group of Indian protesting against rape in their country which has one of the highest rape rate. Capturing some Muslim that are part of the just cause doesn't make the rape part of Islam

RAPE IS FROWNED AT BY ISLAM

Ibn ‘Abd al-Barr (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
The scholars are unanimously agreed that the rapist is to be subjected to the hadd punishment if there is clear evidence against him that he deserves the hadd punishment, or if he admits to that. Otherwise, he is to be punished (i.e., if there is no proof that the hadd punishment for zina may be carried out against him because he does not confess, and there are not four witnesses, then the judge may punish him and stipulate a punishment that will deter him and others like him). There is no punishment for the woman if it is true that he forced her and overpowered her, which may be proven by her screaming and shouting for help. End quote.
Al-Istidhkaar , 7/146

plappville:
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Again Islam frowns at rape
Imam Maalik (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
In our view the man who rapes a woman, whether she is a virgin or not, if she is a free woman he must pay a “dowry” like that of her peers, and if she is a slave he must pay whatever has been detracted from her value. The punishment is to be carried out on the rapist and there is no punishment for the woman who has been raped, whatever the case. End quote.
Al-Muwatta’ , 2/734
The punishment for a rapist is
“The recompense of those who wage war against Allaah and His Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off from opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world, and a great torment is theirs in the Hereafter”
[al-Maaidah 5:33]
The judge will choose one of the Four punishment. The best that suite the context of the time

plappville:
Suicide bomber kills 21 at Shi`ite Muslim procession in Nigeria
Last Updated: Friday, November 27, 2015 - 22:19
Dakasoye: At least 21 people were killed on Friday when a suicide bomber blew himself up in the crowds at a Shia Muslim procession near the north Nigerian city of Kano, in the latest violence to hit the troubled region.
Shame!!!!

This is what I am saying this people have no religion. The other day in a video Shekau accused Saudi Arabia as a whole as disbelievers same with the ISIS ideology.

Killing a Muslim unlawfully is a serious matter and a grave crime. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And whoever kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell to abide therein; and the Wrath and the Curse of Allaah are upon him, and a great punishment is prepared for him”
[al-Nisa’ 4:93]
al-Bukhaari (6355) narrated from Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The believer will continue to be encompassed by the mercy of Allaah so long as he does not shed blood that it is forbidden to shed.”

gimakon:


What are you saying?
So persecution of Christians, fighting of other religions to believe in only Allah, is the trials you people have?

Forget the whatever islamic scholars write, the world is getting sick of what islam gives to them everyday, now seems like everything you people do, no one has done it before.

When a religion has up risings, and war becomes the second name, that religion is about to crash. The trial times you speak of, is it the same trials and persecution islam faces in Burma? If yes is your answer, my brother you are wrong. Islam is just getting a bad name as days go by. Read the real facts or I would tell you things that will make your ear twingle about what your islamic brothers do in other nations. You feel islam is peaceful because obviously it's only in Nigeria where everybody lives in peace.

Wow, You don't care what Islamic scholars says. That's not a way of finding truth. Correction. I get up to date about the terrorists groups especially ISIS. I can give you links. ISIS has killed more Muslims than any one since the uprising. They have killed more than 300 Sunni Islamic scholars.
Reason why it is a trial is that they have actually hijacked mainstream Islam and most Muslims have no much knowledge on the Sharia and other Islamic laws. Falling into the believe that those groups might have a little legitimacy.
Let me talk on the kawarijes
The Prophet Muhammad (saw) foretold the advent of the Khawarij, and despite their outward adherence to religion, hedescribed them, as found in the tworigorously authentic hadithcollections of al-Bukhari and Muslim, as "the worst of mankind and animals" . He (saw) also mentioned that "they shall pass out of the religion just as an arrow passes out of the prey"—referring to the ease and definitiveness with which they exit the fold of Islam. In reference to the facade of their overt religiosity, the Prophet (saw) said "they shall call to the Book of Allah though they do not belong to it."33 Their wretched standing in the eyes of Allah Almighty is clear, as the Prophet (saw) said they are "the worst of those who are killed under the sky"34; and "glad tidings to the one who kills them and the one whom they kill."35 He (saw) also described them as "the dogs of hell"36 and that"they seek the extremities of the religion until they leave it."37 As narrated in Sahih Muslim, the Prophet (saw) stated that "they are the creation most hated by Allah Most-High"38—which would imply that their status is worse than even that of disbelievers . Likewise, he(saw) prophesied, as related in the two rigorously authentic collections of al-Bukhari and Muslim from 'Ali (ra) that that "There shall emerge a people in the end of time, adolescent, dim-witted, recounting the best words of creation, reading the Quran, but their faith does not pass their throats. They shall pass out of the religion just as an arrow passes out of the prey. So wherever you meet them, kill them for truly in killing them is a great reward with Allah on the day of judgement."939 (It is important to note that these narrations are not an endorsement for vigilante action, as the assumption is that fighting them is conducted under proper authority.) The words of the Prophet (saw) , "There shall emerge a people in the end of time," refer to the followers of ISIS and point to them being intended, not only the group which already emerged during the Caliphate of 'Ali(ra) . Other evidences alluding to the Khawarij manifesting through numerous eras include the words of the prophet (saw) , "Whenever a generation of theirs emerges, Allah Almighty severs it." The narrator of this tradition said, "The Messenger jj» repeated that twenty or more times while I listened," and in one variant, "until the last one of them emerges with the Anti-Christ."40
Excerpt from Refuting ISIS by Muhammad al Yaqoubi

plappville:


Are the souls killed by Islamist terrorists not innocent souls? Of course the Qur'an contains killing innocent. All the family of the Paris victims asked what thry have done wrong to islam. Or do you think they merit to be killed by Allah's armies?

The Quran states clearly 60:8
Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.

So don't blame it. Blame the ignorance of the terrorists

gimakon:


As they hide it from you fellows and make you weapons of endtime.
This is why Islam won award for the most violent religion. See further views from Google



Why are muslims called terrorists? - the beheading of Innocent people in Syria, Libya, Iraq, lebanon answers that

This is still nonsense hide what. Enlightene yourself and read Islamic scholars articles and stop making fables.
Yar Islam is having the greatest trials in it history and the prophet talked about it. He talked of the Kawarijes who will come and behave as we are seeing the terrorists do. Read articles on Kawarijes or read books like "Refuting ISIS by Muhammad al Yaqoubi' Fatwa on Terrorism and Suicide bombing" By Sheikh Tahir-ul Qadhi"

truthman2012:


Allahh is an idol who lacks the capacity to endow Muhammad the gift of working miracles. Otherwise, why would his greatest prophet be powerless spiritually?

Muhammad was looking at his jihadists languishing in excruciating pains of poison and he could do nothing as a 'prophet'. What kind of spiritually powerless prophet is that?

Again this is another nonsense.
Did the prophet do miracles yes but that wasn't his essence. His greatest miracle was the Qur'an. But you need others. Here they are
Food Multiplication
Volume 4, Book 56, Number 780:
Water Multiplication
Volume 4, Book 56, Number 779:
Supplication for Rain
Volume 8, Book 73, Number 115:
Lights to guide Companions
Volume 1, Book 8, Number 454:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
Two of the companions of the Prophet departed from him on a dark night and were led by two lights like lamps (going in front of them from Allah as a miracle) lighting the way in front of them, and when they parted, each of them was accompanied by one of these lights till he reached their (respective) houses.
Glorification of Allah by the Prophet's meals
Volume 4, Book 56, Number 779:
The Speech of the Wolf
Volume 3, Book 39, Number 517:
HOW THE PROPHET (SAAS) REPLACED QATADA’S EYE:
Al-Bayhaqi stated, in the Dalail (The Signs), “ Abu Sad al-Malini informed us quoting Abu Ahmed b. Adi, quoting Abu
Yala, quoting Yahya al-Himmant, quoting Abd al-Aziz b. Sulayman b. al-
Ghasil, from Asim b. Umar b. Qatada, from his father, from his grandfather
Qatada b. al-Numan, that his eye was wounded at Badr and that its pupil came down on his cheekbone. They were about to slice it off, but asked the Messenger of God (SAAS) who said they should not do this. He then said a prayer for him, covering his cheek with his palm. And later you could not tell which of his eyes had been struck!”
According to one account, this became the better eye.
An account came down to us from the Commander of the Believers, Umar b.
Abd al- Aziz that when he was told this account by Asim b. Umar b. Qatada, he also recited:
“I am the son of him on whose cheek his eye descended,
which was replaced so well by the hand of the Chosen-One .”
Even the main essence of prophethood is not miracles but GUIDANCE that's why we don't go around boasting about miracles

malvisguy212:
The pre-Islamic Arabs believed in the
demon of poetry, and they thought
that a great poet was directly inspired
by demons.

An interesting Biblical reference that
bares on Muhammad is Jeremiah 23:15,
and 23:34. In these verses God reveals
His judgment upon false prophets. Here
is the quote:

Jeremiah 23:15 Therefore, this is what the Lord Almighty says concerning the
prophets: "I will make them eat bitter
food and drink poisoned water,because from the prophets of Jerusalem un-godliness has spread throughout the land."
Jeremiah 23:34 If a prophet or a priest or anyone else claims, "This is the oracle of the Lord", I will punish that man and his household"

These verses reflect upon events in
Muhammad's life. Muhammad died from poisoning, and all of his male
children died when they were very young.

This utter nonsense.
No. 1 read this article on ur poison claim
www.answering-christianity.com/bassam_zawadi/prophet_poison_death.htm
No. 2 I can do the same for Jesus which we Muslims respect. But for the Jesus in the Bible I can do the same.
“Litmus Test” for True & False Prophets As was noted earlier, a prophet who presumes to speak in God's name words that he was not commanded and/or speaks in the name of other gods, is a false prophet who is to be put to death. According to the New Testament, Jesus “prophesied” the following: Matthew 16:28(KJV) - Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.  This "prophecy" was not fulfilled! The generation that Jesus addressed died 20 centuries ago! Jesus makes a "prophecy" concerning the time.

Again
"Deuteronomy 21:22-23 – (22) And if be that a man commits a sin deserving death, and he is put to death, and you shall hang him on a tree [wooden pole]; (23) His body shall not remain all night upon the tree [wooden pole], for you shall surely bury him on that [same] day, for he who is hanged is accursed by God; and you shall not defile your land, which the Lord, your God, is giving you as an inheritance.

This passage describes a scenario that can easily be applied to the crucifixion of Jesus, and it can be combined with Deuteronomy 18:20 to argue that he was a false prophet, a sin for which the death penalty is prescribed in the Torah (recall that the Hebrew Bible was the scripture in force at that time!). The issues that plague the Christian perspective on Deuteronomy 18:9-22, as described above, provide a powerful dose of food for thought with which to challenge those who promote their false claims about this passage."
But I really don't have that believe.
Pardon me I had to do this.

plappville:
big big false statements....

Moon is further away than stars your quran says "moon in the midst of 7 heavens"...

Your coran said "stars in the lower/nearest heaven" this is false, the moon is the nearest natural object to us, so is NOT in the midst of stars. stars are much further away...Allah failed illiterate Muhamma....

What certificate or experience do you have to do exegesis of the Quran. Why do we have to listen to you or bigoted anti Islamic scholars. When a scientist in that field of study would mention something like this
"Prof. Armstrong was asked a number of questions about Qur'anic verses dealing with his field of specialisation. He was eventually asked, "You have seen and discovered for yourself the true nature of modern Astronomy by means of modern equipment, rockets, and satellites developed by man. You have also seen how the same facts were mentioned by the Qur'an fourteen centuries ago. So what is your opinion?" "That is a difficult question which I have been thinking about since our discussion here. I am impressed at how remarkably some of the ancient writings seem to correspond to modern and recent Astronomy. I am not a sufficient scholar of human history to project myself completely and reliably into the circumstances that 1400 years ago would have prevailed. Certainly, I would like to leave it at that, that what we have seen is remarkable, it may or may not admit of scientific explanation, there may well have to be something beyond what we understand as ordinary human experience to account for the writings that we have seen.""