Agboriotejoye:


Are you crying now

I feel glad whenever i am dealing with a Christian... I flog them so bitterly that they get disgraced and shed tears.....by the time am done with you..you must have dig your own grave!


The Christian and Bible theologians clearly accept that "fictions exist in the Bible"!

The Christian and Bible theologians say "The original manuscripts had been lost"!

The Christian and Bible theologians call them "fairy tales and fables in the Bible"!


I can give you a conscience lecture on Contradictions and History of Corruption in the Bible for full proofs.

Allah Almighty Said: "Do they not ponder on the Qur'an? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy. (The Noble Quran, 4:82)"

Indeed, because the Bible is not the Word of GOD Almighty, it contains "much discrepancy" in it.

The bottom line is that the original and real Bible of today should've been a much smaller book than what it is now. But the fact that its laws and integrity are all mixed up together and compromised proves that the book or books are indeed corrupt. So for one to lump up the bibles and their many problems and say that Bible is the true living word of GOD Almighty" would be indeed a very ridiculous and absurd statement...

Do you still doubt me?

Or the truth is giving you headache?

Agboriotejoye:


Open a thread. Stop spitting everywhere

Christianity preaches lies! The whole baseless faith is built on lying and deception...Bible says that Jews and Christians from their essence were liars. From your "birth" they were liars writing lies the Old Testament declares them. The Bible is full of man-made corruption and fabrications especially in the Jews' ancient history and stories. Their writings were written with the "lying pens of the scribes".

Can we analyze
(a)- Deuteronomy 4:2 VS. the Bible!

- Few Examples from among literally 1000s of man-made lies in the Bible.

(b)- Jeremiah 8:8 confirms Deuteronomy 4:2!


Chaiii! Wahala for Christianity tonight

Agboriotejoye:

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Who are these figures Ibrahim, Ishaq, Yakub, Yussuff, Zubair, Suleiman and most importantly Issa?
Where did Muhammad know them from and what is his relationship with them?
How come his narrations about them generally tally with Judaic writings which were in existence at that time?

You ask a question like a motor park tot..

Is that the answer you have?

Anyway I will repeat the answer read with your brain this time around



You lied about the Quran and a Proof is Demanded

To plagiarise something is to commit literary theft by appropriating and passing off the ideas or words of another as one's own. You accused the Prophet Muhammad(P) of plagiarism and charges him with stealing and passing off the ideas.

This is a serious charge and one would expect the missionary to have provided sufficient evidence in order to "prove beyond reasonable doubt" that Muhammad(P) is indeed the plagiariser and liar that Christian missionaries consider him to be.

You keep ranting Yet you provide no evidence, no proof whatsoever to substantiate this claim of plagiarism.

Agboriotejoye:


Open a thread. Stop spitting everywhere

You'll see Pepper tonight!

Scroll up and respond and stop beating around the bush yeye arne

Polytheist trinitarian pagan will suffer die today

Agboriotejoye:


There's no unique style in a disjointed work of plagiarism which keeps conflicting itself

Open the thread

What if I were to apply your method of reasoning to the Bible itself?

What if i were to apply the same standards against the Bible?

If i were to find the Bible plagiarising ancient Greek Literature, then it too should also be rejected as a divinely revealed or inspired scripture -- according to your own testimony, according to your own standards of reasoning and evidence.

Agboriotejoye:


It is because you're dull in head and heart that you don't get my point. What your caliph did can be compared to King James burning all other scrolls before his Bible on the premise that they contain dialectal differences. Who does that? Think now. Or Soyinka burning a pidgin version of the lion and the jewel because it was not written in proper English.
Your religion is a fraud. That's why every other opinion must be shut up and burned and why you guys are so violent.
Dialectal differences should not be a premise to burn a scroll. It's commonsense. But because of your herd mentality, you believe any nonsense you're fed with.
Your Quran is still a product of plagiarism. Learn to live with it.

Over to your bible lets see the real plagiarized book...

You are now left with several difficulties. You missionary needs to explain to Me this:

Why the Bible uses the enormously influential teachings of the Greek philosopher Aristotle?
Why the Bible plagiarises ancient Greek Literature?

Why other non-Christian scriptures (e.g. the Qur'an) would be rejected as a divinely revealed or inspired scripture if they used (or were influenced by) the writings of ancient Greek scientists - but the Bible would not?

Why other non-Christian scriptures (e.g. the Qur'ân) would be charged with plagiarism if they used (or were influenced by) the writings of ancient Greek scientists - but the Bible would not?

Why the Prophet Muhammad(P) is charged with plagiarism but the authors of Job and the Wisdom of Solomon are not?

Why Christian missionaries continue to charge the Prophet Muhammad(P) with plagiarism of the Galenic stages of development even though they have failed to prove their case?

And more controversially,

Why do you reject the Wisdom of Solomon as a divinely inspired scripture when majority of the world's Christians accept it as the word of God?

Agboriotejoye:


There's no unique style in a disjointed work of plagiarism which keeps conflicting itself

Open the thread

Lets who which book is really plagiarized!!!

Lets see the Sources of The Bible...

You have been saying that Muhammad(P) composed the Qur'an by borrowing the Judeo-Christian material. The 'logic' of showing the borrowing was to simply show similarity between the Qur'anic and Biblical narrative and then conclude that Muhammad(P) copied the verses in question from the Judeo-Christian sources.

So I figured that it was about time that I reciprocated the favour and pay you your due in full. I will use the missionaries own methodology to show how good the Bible stands the scrutiny.

You lied about the Quran and a Proof is Demanded

To plagiarise something is to commit literary theft by appropriating and passing off the ideas or words of another as one's own. You accused the Prophet Muhammad(P) of plagiarism and charges him with stealing and passing off the ideas.

This is a serious charge and one would expect the missionary to have provided sufficient evidence in order to "prove beyond reasonable doubt" that Muhammad(P) is indeed the plagiariser and liar that Christian missionaries consider him to be.

You keep ranting Yet you provide no evidence, no proof whatsoever to substantiate this claim of plagiarism.

You cite neither the original nor the Arabic of the Qur'an; nor does you provide a sufficiently And neither does you cite any hadith or eye-witnesses accounts to prove that the Prophet(P) plagiarised ancient Greek literature. Where then is the proof that Muhammad(P) plagiarised?

Go get the books and write the facts here and i will be glad to disgrace you even more

Agboriotejoye:


When will you accept that your Quran is plagiarism to start with?

That is too obvious.

When will you accept that there are many versions of your plagiarism

When will you accept there are many versions of hadith?

Jesus Christ admonished you to remove the log in your eyes before speaking of the speck in the eyes of others

Accept this and accept peace

The more you write the more i expose the blatant liar

It seems like you've exhausted your lies and weapons... howbeit That wil not stop me from showing the world How cheap you are in blackmail and lies.....

Keep twisting facts keep showing how shallow minded you are and i will help you do that excellently!!!!!

It has been a source of faith and pride for Muslims over the centuries in that the Holy Qur'an is the preeminent word of the Almighty, inimitable in style and absolute in nature. This conviction is as strong for believers of today as it has been for believers of the past. As the tradition of truth is distinguished from falsehood, the authenticity of the Qur'an has been challenged today as it has been in the past. Though the petty points of criticism have changed over the years, the archetype has remained quite the same since the very beginning. Time and again, these issue has been put to rest, only to be exhumed by depraved charlatans.

Agboriotejoye:


I already accept your debate as long as it is on this forum. Mention me when you're ready and I will prove the obvious fraud in your religion

I am ready for a debate not a coverup of lies and insults online...show me your worth be bold enough to organize it...if you cant i will help you bankroll everything let the world see how i wil expose and disgrace a cheap liar

Agboriotejoye:


It is because you're dull in head and heart that you don't get my point. What your caliph did can be compared to King James burning all other scrolls before his Bible on the premise that they contain dialectal differences. Who does that? Think now. Or Soyinka burning a pidgin version of the lion and the jewel because it was not written in proper English.
Your religion is a fraud. That's why every other opinion must be shut up and burned and why you guys are so violent.
Dialectal differences should not be a premise to burn a scroll. It's commonsense. But because of your herd mentality, you believe any nonsense you're fed with.
Your Quran is still a product of plagiarism. Learn to live with it.

Since you are not yet ready for a sincere response Let me expose the Textual Integrity Of your Bible...

People are enjoying the discussion because it is clearing their doubt and exposing the lies of missionaries that have published lies.....

Is your Bible that we have in our hands today unchanged?
Or has it undergone extensive revisions and alterations?

Truth is the first victim in the Christian apologetical literature. This is because if you guys tell the truth about the Church history and its role in formulating the Bible (or Bibles) as well as the manuscript tradition of the New Testament, belief in the Bible as the "Word" of God would take the beating and the Churches would go absolutely empty.

Hence it is not surprising to find you an average Christian's knowledge about your own scriptures is pretty close to zero.

Stop dodging stay calm, read well and understand the corrupt naturebof your bible

Agboriotejoye:


It is because you're dull in head and heart that you don't get my point. What your caliph did can be compared to King James burning all other scrolls before his Bible on the premise that they contain dialectal differences. Who does that? Think now. Or Soyinka burning a pidgin version of the lion and the jewel because it was not written in proper English.
Your religion is a fraud. That's why every other opinion must be shut up and burned and why you guys are so violent.
Dialectal differences should not be a premise to burn a scroll. It's commonsense. But because of your herd mentality, you believe any nonsense you're fed with.
Your Quran is still a product of plagiarism. Learn to live with it.

Childish response

Is that an answer to the Questions?

No wonder you are afraid of a debate , because you know so well that you are an empty vessel that only relies on okd trashes fabricated by enemies of Islam who knows nothing but hatred!


"And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides Allah, if your (doubts) are true. But if ye cannot- and of a surety ye cannot- then fear the Fire whose fuel is men and stones,- which is prepared for those who reject Faith. (Qur'an 2:23-24)

Agboriotejoye:


So that you can strike my neck and cut my feet abi? I'll pass.
Open a thread. I want to show you how confused and contradictory your Quran is and how it is plagiarized. I am ready when you're ready.
Come and explain how Muhammad the Arab received revelation about David king of Israel

Sincere open minded scholars who studied the Quran from genuine sources have this to day...I am not talking about Poor hungry haters of Islam who hide online to lie and insult.....Let me take you to one of them

What Do The Orientalists Say About The Qur'an?

E H Palmer, as early as 1880, recognized the unique style of the Qur'an. But he seem to have been wavering between two thoughts. He writes in the Introduction to his translation of the Qur'an:

"That the best of Arab writers has never succeeded in producing anything equal in merit to the Qur'an itself is not surprising. In the first place, they have agreed before-hand that it is unapproachable, and they have adopted its style as the perfect standard; any deviation from it therefore must of necessity be a defect. Again, with them this style is not spontaneous as with Muhammad and his contemporaries, but is as artificial as though Englishmen should still continue to follow Chaucer as their model, in spite of the changes which their language has undergone. With the Prophet, the style was natural, and the words were those in every-day ordinary life, while with the later Arabic authors the style is imitative and the ancient words are introduced as a literary embellishment. The natural consequence is that their attempts look laboured and unreal by the side of his impromptu and forcible eloquence."

I know you are too Myopic to understand the statement!

Agboriotejoye:


So that you can strike my neck and cut my feet abi? I'll pass.
Open a thread. I want to show you how confused and contradictory your Quran is and how it is plagiarized. I am ready when you're ready.
Come and explain how Muhammad the Arab received revelation about David king of Israel

No matter what you say here I'll always expose you and request for an ooen debate!

Why are tou afraid if you really are truthful?

So you know your approach is a bad one thats why you are afraid?

Anyway I dont blame you thats how you are created born and brought up!

You have eyes but cant see....

Let me expose the bible jare!

Is your Bible Inimitable?

Anyone who has read the history of the Bible as a text as well as the constantly changing canon at the whims of the leaders of the Church and some 300,000+ variant readings in the New Testament itself would suggest that no book in history enjoyed such as reputation.
The process of serious editing through which the your Bible went through is unparalleled in its almost 2000 year history can you deny this This would itself make the Bible an inimitable book.

As far as the language of the Bible and its stylistic perfection is concerned, the Bible does not make any such claim. Therefore, it not does challenge the mankind of produce a few verses or a chapter like it as my Quran does.
Further, it is a Christian claim that the Bible contains scribal and linguistic errors just as you said before. The language in which the Greek New Testament was written is demotic Greek which itself has little or no regard for grammatical rules of classical Greek. Did you know that your bible is written in Koine greek which means a broken greek??

Poor you! Poor bible!!!

This is your debate!

Answer the simple facts disapprove your bible and Christianity please people are watching us....

Agboriotejoye:


You just make me laugh even you come up with your silly lies. Let's look at this for example. Quran must be recited in quraishi (proper) dialect. Have you listened to Yorubas rescue the Quran? Do you realise Yorubas pronounce Abdul as abudu for example?
That means Yoruba Muslims are not real Muslims then. How much more Igbo Muslims. It is not debatable. Your caliph had other scrolls burned so that only the ones he agreed with will be available. All these your excuse about dialect are wack!! If it's just dialect, it would have been largely innocuous since dialects hardly die and you a northerner can understand if a Yoruba is reciting the Quran even if he's using a different accent.
Baba rest!! Your plagiarized text has many versions.
What about the hadiths. Why were some also rejected?

Do you realize that you are not responding to any of my points?

Pls stop beating around the bush face me with facts ....

Your approach is an expired one...

Only dull copy cat xtians uses it and are always exposed easily....

Alhamdulillah my challenges on you have yielded positively hence i have no regrets dealing with a foul mouth xtian like you!

People are witnesing your dullness and are accepting Islam...

I will keep exposing you and converting them to Islam...

The more you lie...the more i disgrace you here and expose your wrecked xtianity

Agboriotejoye:


I definitely don't want to meet you. Open a thread. This is where we meet. Open a thread and mention me and let's start the debate.

Do you know how stupid it sounds to claim because someone was unlettered means he can't learn. Do you realise even the children of Israel used to memorize the Torah in their childhood just as you memorize the Quran?
Did Muhammad write the Quran? Was it not "revealed" to him and he recited it? You're too dumb to even claim because he was unlettered, he couldn't have stolen others' history which used to be passed down orally.

And as regards to the lies of burning quran etc whc you misunderstood I'll clear your doubt also

The Noble Quran was revealed in one language and that is Arabic. It has only one original Arabic copy. Arabic 1400 years ago had 7 dialects. There exists today one original copy of the Noble in Saudi Arabia today. A copy of this original copy also exists in Turkey today as well.

When the Noble Quran was revealed to Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, it was revealed in Arabic, and in the Quraishi dialect. The Quraishi dialect is the most proper Arabic dialect that properly uses the Arabic words without altering their sound.

The Quraishi dialect was the most popular dialect in the Middle East at that time, and is today the dialect used among Arabs who speak Proper Arabic. The dialect that books teach at schools is also a Quraishi dialect today.

Back in the Middle East 1400 years ago, the Quraishi dialect was not the only one used among Arabs. There existed 6 other dialects along with it, but as I said, it was the most popular.

It is very important in the Islamic faith that when we recite the Noble Quran, we recite it in the Quraishi dialect or what we call today in the proper Arabic. We can't pronounce for instance "th" as "sa" or "za". We can't pronounce "la" as "laman". We can't pronounce "ja" and "ga", etc...

There are no variances or missing parts in the Noble Quran.

These are all false and baseless assumptions by some anti-Islamics. The Arabic dialects had problems with each others, and that's why standardizing the Noble Quran with its original Quraishi dialect was essential to keeping it as a perfect Holy Book: For instance, take the letter "j". Did you know that some Arabs don't pronounce the "j"? They always pronounce it as "g" or "ga".

Take "the" as another example. Some Arabs also don't pronounce "the". They pronounce it as "za".

Another example, and this is an important one in my opinion, is that some Arabs used to have a dialect which originated from Yemen, where they would add "an" at the end of a noun. Take for instance the popular word of today "Taliban", as in the Taliban in Afghanistan. "Taliban" is the same as the Arabic word "Talib" which means "Student".


In Islam, properly reciting the Words of Allah Almighty is the way it must be practiced. Otherwise, it would be considered a sin and disrespect toward Allah Almighty and the individual would be disobeying Allah Almighty and would gain bad deeds that will count against him in the Day of Judgment if he did it intentionally.


The preservation of the Noble Quran during Muhammad's time:

When Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him received the Noble Quran's Revelations in a 10-years span, he had everything documented on paper and saved with his close disciples and immediate family. He also had the entire Noble Quran memorized along with many of his followers. The Noble Quran during the times of our beloved Prophet peace be upon him was carefully preserved and protected from man's corruption. It was documented on paper and it was entirely memorized by many.

When Uthman, the third Caliph in Islam, compiled the Noble Quran, he did not determine the numerical order of the Noble Chapters and the Noble Verses. The entire Noble Quran as I said was already documented and memorized. Chapters from the Noble Quran were recited by our Prophet peace be upon him at least 5 times a day during the Muslims' five-daily prayers. Also, the Noble Quran was all recited during the month of Ramadan, as it is still done today. There are other daily and weekly religious occasions, festivals and holidays where the Noble Quran back then and still today was recited either partially or wholly. The Muslims who perfected the memorization of the Noble Quran back then continuously refreshed their memories through teaching others: Muslims and non-Muslims about Islam.

So, it is beyond the shadow of the doubt that the numbering and the order of the Noble Chapters and Verses was already determined by our Prophet peace be upon him through the inspiration and guidance of Allah Almighty, and not by anyone else.

Historically, almost every Muslim scholar had the entire Noble Quran memorized by heart. If you live among Muslims or know well how the Muslims deal with the Noble Quran, then you would know that tampering with the Noble Quran is impossible among the Muslims. If someone recites the Noble Quran to the public (in the Mosque for instance) and makes a mistake, then he would find many who would correct him because they would have the entire Noble Quran memorized by heart.

The memorization of the entire Noble Quran is something sacred in Islam. It helped the Noble Quran remain error-free from man's false documentation.

Agboriotejoye:


I definitely don't want to meet you. Open a thread. This is where we meet. Open a thread and mention me and let's start the debate.

Do you know how stupid it sounds to claim because someone was unlettered means he can't learn. Do you realise even the children of Israel used to memorize the Torah in their childhood just as you memorize the Quran?
Did Muhammad write the Quran? Was it not "revealed" to him and he recited it? You're too dumb to even claim because he was unlettered, he couldn't have stolen others' history which used to be passed down orally.

And as regards to the lies of burning quran etc whc you misunderstood I'll clear your doubt also

The Noble Quran was revealed in one language and that is Arabic. It has only one original Arabic copy. Arabic 1400 years ago had 7 dialects. There exists today one original copy of the Noble in Saudi Arabia today. A copy of this original copy also exists in Turkey today as well.

When the Noble Quran was revealed to Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, it was revealed in Arabic, and in the Quraishi dialect. The Quraishi dialect is the most proper Arabic dialect that properly uses the Arabic words without altering their sound.

The Quraishi dialect was the most popular dialect in the Middle East at that time, and is today the dialect used among Arabs who speak Proper Arabic. The dialect that books teach at schools is also a Quraishi dialect today.

Back in the Middle East 1400 years ago, the Quraishi dialect was not the only one used among Arabs. There existed 6 other dialects along with it, but as I said, it was the most popular.

It is very important in the Islamic faith that when we recite the Noble Quran, we recite it in the Quraishi dialect or what we call today in the proper Arabic. We can't pronounce for instance "th" as "sa" or "za". We can't pronounce "la" as "laman". We can't pronounce "ja" and "ga", etc...

There are no variances or missing parts in the Noble Quran. These are all false and baseless assumptions by some anti-Islamics. The Arabic dialects had problems with each others, and that's why standardizing the Noble Quran with its original Quraishi dialect was essential to keeping it as a perfect Holy Book: For instance, take the letter "j". Did you know that some Arabs don't pronounce the "j"? They always pronounce it as "g" or "ga".

Take "the" as another example. Some Arabs also don't pronounce "the". They pronounce it as "za".

Another example, and this is an important one in my opinion, is that some Arabs used to have a dialect which originated from Yemen, where they would add "an" at the end of a noun. Take for instance the popular word of today "Taliban", as in the Taliban in Afghanistan. "Taliban" is the same as the Arabic word "Talib" which means "Student".

The Afghans today used the old Arabic dialect from Yemen which dates even older than 1400 years ago when the Noble Quran was revealed. Back then in Yemen, as I said, they used to add the word "an" for nouns. So if they for instance wanted to refer to a stone "sakhr (in Arabic)", then they would refer to it as "sakhran", even though it would be written in Arabic as "sakhr".

In Islam, properly reciting the Words of Allah Almighty is the way it must be practiced. Otherwise, it would be considered a sin and disrespect toward Allah Almighty and the individual would be disobeying Allah Almighty and would gain bad deeds that will count against him in the Day of Judgment if he did it intentionally.



The preservation of the Noble Quran during Muhammad's time:

When Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him received the Noble Quran's Revelations in a 10-years span, he had everything documented on paper and saved with his close disciples and immediate family. He also had the entire Noble Quran memorized along with many of his followers. The Noble Quran during the times of our beloved Prophet peace be upon him was carefully preserved and protected from man's corruption. It was documented on paper and it was entirely memorized by many.

When Uthman, the third Caliph in Islam, compiled the Noble Quran, he did not determine the numerical order of the Noble Chapters and the Noble Verses. The entire Noble Quran as I said was already documented and memorized. Chapters from the Noble Quran were recited by our Prophet peace be upon him at least 5 times a day during the Muslims' five-daily prayers. Also, the Noble Quran was all recited during the month of Ramadan, as it is still done today. There are other daily and weekly religious occasions, festivals and holidays where the Noble Quran back then and still today was recited either partially or wholly. The Muslims who perfected the memorization of the Noble Quran back then continuously refreshed their memories through teaching others: Muslims and non-Muslims about Islam.

So, it is beyond the shadow of the doubt that the numbering and the order of the Noble Chapters and Verses was already determined by our Prophet peace be upon him through the inspiration and guidance of Allah Almighty, and not by anyone else.

Historically, almost every Muslim scholar had the entire Noble Quran memorized by heart. If you live among Muslims or know well how the Muslims deal with the Noble Quran, then you would know that tampering with the Noble Quran is impossible among the Muslims. If someone recites the Noble Quran to the public (in the Mosque for instance) and makes a mistake, then he would find many who would correct him because they would have the entire Noble Quran memorized by heart.

The memorization of the entire Noble Quran is something sacred in Islam. It helped the Noble Quran remain error-free from man's false documentation. Today in the Middle East they have programs and rewards for those who have the entire Noble Quran memorized. I once saw on TV a biography about a 4-years old little boy in Iran who had the entire Noble Quran memorized! He received a big reward and was enlisted in the "gifted kids" program.

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Agboriotejoye:


I definitely don't want to meet you. Open a thread. This is where we meet. Open a thread and mention me and let's start the debate.

Do you know how stupid it sounds to claim because someone was unlettered means he can't learn. Do you realise even the children of Israel used to memorize the Torah in their childhood just as you memorize the Quran?
Did Muhammad write the Quran? Was it not "revealed" to him and he recited it? You're too dumb to even claim because he was unlettered, he couldn't have stolen others' history which used to be passed down orally.

[/s] Let me disconfigure your wrecked brain...

You keep disgracing yourself about plagiarism or whatsoever!

So in your shallow paganism brain simply because a story exist in the Bible and is also found in the Quran it automatically mean the Quran copied it from your fabricated bible?

Lol such a claim is so so childish....

Remember d quran acknowledge the existence of revelations before it and afirm such!

Although alterations were made because it was only for a meant time yet there are few truths in it!


So for you to claim the quran is from ur bible is baseless!

Your bible Begins with A scientific error! Genesis1:1 it is proven!

Today there are over 50,000 errors in your Bible.... everyone knows that! No doubt!


Your silly argument can be very easily refuted. The next time you brainless apologist uses this argument you wil make fun of yourself,Let me just give you the following history lesson:

1. The Bible refers to the ruler of Egypt in the times of Abraham and Joseph (peace be upon them) as “Pharaoh” (Genesis 12, 37).
2. Both the Bible and the Quran refer to the Egyptian ruler during the time of Moses (peace be upon him) as “Pharaoh”.
3. While the title was used in the time of Moses (peace be upon him), it was NOT used to refer to the Egyptian king in earlier times, such as those of Abraham and Joseph (peace be upon them), which means that the Bible’s use of the term in Genesis is an anachronism.
4. If the charge of “plagiarism” is accurate, then we should expect that the Quran would repeat the error in the Bible when recounting the story of Joseph (Surah 12).

And yet, we find that the Arabic word “firaun” is ONLY used to describe the Egyptian king in the time of Moses (peace be upon him) but NEVER in the time of Joseph (peace be upon him).

5. How could the author of the Quran, assuming He was copying the Bible or other Jewish stories in 7th century Arabia, have known NOT to use the title “firaun” when referring to the Egyptian ruler in the time of Joseph (peace be upon him)? The “plagiarism” argument immediately breaks down!
You see how easy it is? So the next time you brainless apologist uses this argument to bash the Quran, shows you are making the folly of your argument and i wil enjoy watching you squirm!

Agboriotejoye:


I definitely don't want to meet you. Open a thread. This is where we meet. Open a thread and mention me and let's start the debate.

Do you know how stupid it sounds to claim because someone was unlettered means he can't learn. Do you realise even the children of Israel used to memorize the Torah in their childhood just as you memorize the Quran?
Did Muhammad write the Quran? Was it not "revealed" to him and he recited it? You're too dumb to even claim because he was unlettered, he couldn't have stolen others' history which used to be passed down orally.

You cant like meeting me because you know deep in your heart that you are lost and will surely be disgraced!

How dare you quote me insult mt faith and expect to continue?

If you are sincere and truthful organize a physical debate let us have witnesse and observers..

I dont mind holding the debate inside your church...

Bring forth all your allegations about The Quran and Prophet Muhammad...and I wil respond to them clear them all and pose challenges to you that you can never attempt!

I can chose to be dumb like you and lebel allegations and accusations against Jesus with concrete evidence from the Jewish talmud

Jesus is born of of wedlock his mother is a LovePeddler...he is burning in helfire , the Jews are laughing at the stupidity of Christians etc...

And I'll give 101 reasons to back up my claims... Thats when you'll know you are dealing with someone that will bring ur end!


I repeat organize a physical debate! Dont be afraid you coward....

Dont just come online and type trash!

Be bold enough to face a muslims and insult his faith physically

Agboriotejoye:


Oga your Quran is a product of plagiarism. Know this, know peace. As long as you can't prove your Quran is not plagiarized from the Bible and Torah, all your useless stories are baseless.

lol why must you fool yourself all the time...when didi the book "bible" came into being??

Can an unlettered copy from your acclaimed sources?

I keep telling you how dumbfounded you sound...

Your polemics are empty trash when we sit for a debate you will run away in shame because what you defend on are clear conjectures...

I hold physical debate i can follow you anywhere you fix it on any topic of your choice....


Kindly provide your address and see wonders.

MrColdsweat:


Why are you Muslims so obsessed with Christians?

Have you ever seen a Muslim bumb into a Christian article and insult you or Jesus?

Do any Muslim care about your existence or satanic way?NO

"Muslims are terrible", they claim. "Muslims are terrorists" But I bet you, if you click the reaction to any bad symphatetic news report online, you will not find one Muslim reacting with a laughing emoji.
They are happy that terrorism and killings are taking place in the country they are happy that police officers are killed. They always showcase their attitudes of lack of manners and home training. These same people will on the next trend claim Islam is a religion of violence and Muslims are violent.
When you curse a person, the curse goes up to the heavens and return to you if the person is undeserving of it.

All the insults on Prophet Muhammad,(PBUH) the Muslim community received during the Boko Haram insurgency has gone up to the heavens and came back to those who cursed us and they have all gone mad.

3-4 year's ago, nobody would have thought that some people in the South-East would take up arms and start mindlessly killing people, cutting off heads and then come on social media to celebrate and laugh over it.

During the EndSARS uprising of fools, police officers were killed in the South, but in the East, they did not just kill officers, most of the ones they killed they mutilated and decapitated them thereafter. The only thing they did not do was to roast and eat them like the Sallah day massacre in Plateau in 2011 when some Plateau youths attacked worshippers on Eid day, killed, roasted and eat the dead bodies. It's just a matter of time, they will start eating the dead bodies of their victims as the curse spreads.

It does not matter your grievances with a person or a people, if evil befalls them you cannot afford to be happy about it. To be happy for evil makes you evil. I can say I hate the "State of Israel" because I consider it a racist and apartheid entity, but if calamity befalls its citizens, I can not be happy. Your hate should be measured.

Boko Haram became the monster it is not because Muslim scholars did not denounce their ideology, they did and some were killed for doing that.

The ideology of hate and bigotry in the South East is there mostly because Christian leaders in the country encouraged it with their anti-North and anti-Muslim sermons and conspiracy theories.
If this post offends you, I am sorry that is not my intention. If you are still angry after the apology, then I can not help you.

Agboriotejoye:


Stop exposing your ignorance about literary and scholarly exercises. The fact is both manuscripts contain The Lord's prayer. Some words missing does not invalidate the existence of The Lord's prayer. Your salat is what Bukahri says it is. You as a muslim don't have access to gain more insight about the different writings of your Quran. You are Bukhari's intellectual slaves being led in the mouth like donkeys.
As long as both manuscripts agree that The Lord's prayer exists, that is ok. Note that from time to time, Bible scholars sit to study, critique and make further research on Biblical texts. It is this that has enabled the religion to know when it is going wrong and make amends unlike your Quran that has become a compendium of dogma and terrorist manual. Just look around you and see the assorted army of terrorists who are using the Quran as a guide

lol... xtianity has expired is dead and burried for long!


Ol your trash can be dealt with...

Kindly invite me for an open debate pls

Lets see who is really on d right path!

I hate lies and insults online

Kindly invite me and see how i wil disgrace your books....


You Christians were the source of some of the worst lies and distortions about Islam should come as no surprise, since Islam was its main "competitor" on the stage of World Religions. Far from honouring the commandment not to bear false witness against one's neighbour, Christians distortions and outright lies about Islam and Prophet Muhammad were widespread. Starting from John of Damascus to the modern day missionaries very little has been changed as far as the content is concerned.

I am always ready to deal with some of the Christian missionary propaganda and polemics of the past and present...

Pls gather your audience and invite me

Truthissupreme:
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cement head shame no dey catch you

After you finished fooling yourself yesterday you still have shame to quote me

If I take my precious time engage you now at the end you still would end up saying the Bible was changed in defeat yet you would agree with the ten commandments and everything the prophets wrote as from God yet God is dumb that he can't protect same book from been changed

If I follow you argue your corrupt Quran that says Moses and Mary have the same father you still would say allah knows best in defeat

The best na to allow you rant because the intellectual one decides for the dumb

Keep serving stone

I am a polytheist thank you I accept just as you are created a polytheist for having body, spirit, soul

All the aforementioned silly allegations you make have been dealt with with concrete facts and evidence!

They are ntn but delusional things which when i expose you... you'll realize how dumb and backward your sources of Polemics are...

Islam have triumph over xtianity for long...itnis you wicked shamefull pagans that are not aware....

The sources of your lies are expired ones...you cant use them anywhere expect hidden online in shame...

Xtianity is dead and burried!


Shamefull Christians were the source of some of the worst lies and distortions about Islam should come as no surprise, since Islam was its main "competitor" on the stage of World Religions. Far from honouring the commandment not to bear false witness against one's neighbour, Christians distortions and outright lies about Islam and Prophet Muhammad were widespread. Starting from John of Damascus to the modern day missionaries little has been changed as far as the content is concerned.

I am ready to will deal with any of your Propaganda of the Christian missionary polemics of the past and present.

If you are courageous enough kindly invite me to an open debate!!

And see how I'll show you pepper and disgrace your entire books

Agboriotejoye:


More lies. Show the two versions of the Gospel of Mark. You're just spewing lies up and down. Yet you muslims will claim some hadiths are Daif. If your Quran that was written by one man and the rest burnt is perfect to you, but a book which had the different manuscripts preserved to this day and extensive scholarly works carried out is dishonest to you, then anyone can see why you Muslims are usually intolerant of diverse opinions. For your information, The different manuscripts had some parts that were missing and that is why the four gospels are adjudged to be the most complete works about Christ because the contain confirmed details by two or more manuscripts of the Bible.
Your Quran on the other hand is a product of intellectual rascality. Why burn scrolls simply because you don't agree with them? With that, you guys have become intellectual slaves of Bukahri as whatever he deemed right is right and what he deems wrong is wrong. Conclusion is, you are practicing islam according to Bukahri and not even Muhammad.

You are still not ashame of yourself comming online to spit trash again?

I am ready to cure your madness at whatever angle you chose to rant!

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Truthissupreme:
one religion teaches kill for 72 virgins

But no where in the other religion does it say give your resources to others if the people giving actually looked into their own books instead of allowing some interprete for them

[/s] shege polytheist trinitarian pagan hypocrite you have run away from my numerous challenges and you are here trying to twist facts


I'll expose you here also

Your bible teaches us to rape girls as young as 3years...we have it in the bible ...and virgins wrre also promised to Xtians in the Bible


Virgins in Matthew 19:29 says Christians will be given 100 wives to make love with:

"And every one that has forsaken houses, or brothers, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife (ἤ γυναῖκα), or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive a hundred times more, and shall inherit everlasting life."


Pulpit Commentary

Verse 29. - ....." Some manuscripts, followed by some modern editors, omit or wife, the omission being probably first made by some critical scribe, who deemed that a wife should never be left. The Lord enumerates the persons and objects upon which men's hearts are most commonly and firmly fixed. He begins and ends the list with material possessions - houses and lands, and between them introduces in gradation the most cherished members of the family circle. "Forsaking wife and children" may be understood as abstaining from marriage in order the better to serve God. For my Name's sake. In consequence of belief in Christ, rather than do despite to his grace, or in order to confess and follow him more completely........ 

An hundredfold. Some read "manifold," as in Luke 18:30. The spiritual relationship into which religion would introduce him largely compensates for the loss of earthly connections. He shall have brothers and sisters in the faith - hundreds who will show him the affection of father and mother, hundreds who will love him as well as wife and children. .......... The hope of future happiness is in itself sufficient to lighten and dissipate all earthly troubles, and to stimulate severest sacrifices."


This verse is a proof that the bible is altered according to scribes' own desires.

More and more we hear of ignorance from Christians like you who criticize Islam for claiming that Paradise will have physical pleasures in it similar to the ones that we have here on earth. 

Personally, I've heard cheap comments before about the 70 Houris for men in Heaven and how the Prophet, peace be upon him, "promised Hot desert men" sex in Paradise.

Bashing is easy, and believe me, nothing is easier than bashing the gospel of porn bible for claiming that women's vaginas and breasts taste like "wine", and that sisters can look lustfully at their biological brothers and wish to have sex with them in bed. 

Note:  The exact number of 70 Houris is not mentioned in the Noble Quran.  It is only mentioned in the Hadiths (collections of the Sayings of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him).  But Houris were mentioned in the Noble Quran.  So the number is most likely true, even though the Hadiths were collected centuries after the natural death of the Prophet. 

In other words, the possibility of the Hadith being corrupt (most of the Bible is mostly corrupt), is slim because the Noble Quran supports the narration by mentioning the Houris as shown.

Terorists of the highest order

Fejoku:

Ibrahim, mutuwan ka yayi kusa. Shege dan banza mara hankali.

Bakin ciki xai kash**k**.....Kai gawa ne already

Fejoku:

Ibrahim, mutuwan ka yayi kusa. Shege dan banza mara hankali.

Bakin ciki xai kasheka......Kai gawa ne already

eas01:

�. Dude go round your kabal in mecca. You idol worshipper.
Send me ur number let me talk with u or I send u mine and u call me. Which do u prefer.?

Did i look like someone you cheap brat can talk to? If at all you want to get exposed and disgraced... organize a physical debate and see wonders....I can travel anywhere and meet you! Organize it get your people as audience and I promise you i wil be there... Thats how I do my things...

I dont subscribe to cheap online liars lets meet physically so that you'll vomit your lies and insults as you face me....

eas01:

Send me your number , let's talk. How do I contact u?

Contact me? Am i your mate Useless polytheist trinitarian pagan..

Give me your address I will visit you

eas01:
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MohaMAD was a peudo, killer, a plagaurist and fraud . �. Your prophet is a fraud like your cowrabic self. You need Christian prince on youtube to set you straight. Even I will set you straight.
Send me your phone number let us discuss.
I like people like you.

You know why i like exposing Christians online and ofline?

Because they tend to come yp with claims and Fabrications...

And you nko? Shamefull ignorant fellow try to sip some sense and not lies ans abuses which show who you are

I'll disgrace you and the cheap liar as usual

Some disgusting and hateful paltalk coward by the name of Christian Prince is going around the chat rooms spreading lies about Islam. The yeye man is really despicable. Most Christians do not even consider him a true sincere Christian....

Ironically this filth does not have a problem with the language of his own Bible. What a hypocrite indeed.

You think making jokes ans lying around can save you ?

Try me and you'll regret your life!

Agboriotejoye:


Tell me about Mouhamed and Aisha. I gues he blessed her 9 year old vagina with his pole like dick not rape her.

How does all these you wrote change the Quran from being a product of plagiarism.

Some text missing in ancient manuscripts and present in other manuscripts now make it a lie to you abi? Do you realize the gospel has four different writers?
Oga, prove how an Arab became entangled in Jewish history and started receiving revelations about them or keep quiet forthwith.

My refutation to your silky claims is on the way...Lemme finish disgracing your bible first...dont you have the gut to defend?

You are a failure and a disgrace to polytheists

Since you cant defend anything but keep ranting and making lies...

The exposing continues


The evidence of tampering goes on and on. For example, in the Codex Sinaiticus the "lord's prayer" of Luke 11:2-4 differs substantially from the version which has reached us through the agency of centuries of "inspired" correction. Luke 11:2-4 in this most ancient of all Christian manuscripts reads:

"Father, Hallowed by thy name, Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so upon earth. Give us day by day our daily bread. And forgive us our sins, as we ourselves also forgive everyone that is indebted to us. And bring us not into temptation."

Further, the "Codex Vaticanus," is another ancient manuscript held by the scholars of Christianity in the same reverent standing as the Codex Sinaiticus. These two fourth century codices are together considered the most ancient copies of the Bible available today. In the codex Vaticanus we can find a version of Luke 11:2-4 even shorter than that of Codex Sinaiticus. In this version even the words "Thy will be done, as in heaven, so upon earth." are not to be found.

When we observe this fact we begin to see why it is that even in our modern Bibles "The Lord's Prayer" in Matthew 6:9-13 is not exactly the same as the version presented in Luke 11:2-4.

With regard to the verse of Luke 24:51 which contains Luke's alleged account of the final parting of Jesus and how he was "raised up into heaven." However, as seen in previous pages, in the Codex Sinaiticus and other ancient manuscripts the words "and was carried up into heaven" are completely missing. The verse only says:

"And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them."

C.S.C. Williams observed, if this omission were correct, "there is no reference at all to the Ascension in the original text of the Gospel."

Some other discrepancies between the Codex Sinaiticus and our modern Bibles are:

Matthew 17:21 is missing in Codex Sinaiticus.

In our modern Bibles, Mark 1:1 reads "The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;" however, in this most ancient of all Christian manuscripts, this verse only reads "The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ" Strangely, the very words which are most grating to the Muslim's Qur'an, "the Son of God," are completely missing. Isn't that interesting?

Agboriotejoye:


The Bible was inspired by the spirit of God.

Now your Quran was a subject of debate about which is right and which isn't. Tell us about the burnt scrolls and what they contain. How many versions of the Quran do the Shia and the Shiites use. Which hadiths are acceptable and which are Daesh? Tell me more.

Today, the translators and publishers of our modern Bibles are beginning to be a little more forthright and honest with their readers. As we have just seen, although they may not simply openly admit that these twelve verses were forgeries of the Church and not the word of God, still, at least they are beginning to draw the reader's attention to the fact that there are two "versions" of the "Gospel of Mark" and then leave the reader to decide what to make of these two "versions."

Now the question becomes "if the Church has tampered with the Gospel of Mark, then did they stop there or is there more to this story?. As it happens, Tischendorf also discovered that the "Gospel of John" has been heavily reworked by the Church over the ages. For example,

1.It was found that the verses starting from John 7:53 to 8:11 (the story of the woman taken in adultery) are not to be found in the most ancient copies of the Bible available to Christianity today, specifically, codices Sinaiticus or Vaticanus.

2.It was also found that John 21:25 was a later insertion, and that a verse from the gospel of Luke (24:12) that speaks of Peter discovering an empty tomb of Jesus is not to be found in the ancient manuscripts.

(For more on this topic please read 'Secrets of Mount Sinai' by James Bentley, Doubleday, NY, 1985).