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9inches:
Are you the one explaining the trinity to me? Your analogy simply doesn't fit to my explanation.

So you mean the Jews do not understand their bible then?
Can you explain this:
Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”

31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him.

Lol, because u know its true and u have rejected it
it doesn't fit because it challenges trinity clearly and perfectly


Its a very simple read, before those verses, u have dis
Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
John:10:24

Meaning, he has told them he was Christ but they did not believe, but when he said " i and my father are one, they picked stones to stone him

And verses continua

Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
John:10:32

The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
John:10:33

Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
John:10:34

from this you can see that d Israelites sought to stone him for blasphemy but he refuted by answering
them is it not in your law that ye are gods. Meaning why do u say i blaspheme when its in your law that ye are gods(metaphorically), if its there metaphorically, i have the right to state that I and the father are one metaphorically because i cannot contradict myself by saying "i have not come to abolish/change the law or the prophets but i have come to FULFILL it(Matthew 5:17) and also saying "Hear O israel OUR LORD OUR GOD IS ONE"(Mark12:29).

i do not see where the jews do not understand their own Bible from here.


PLEASE DO NOT IGNORE THIS BELOW FOR THE THIRD TIME


if u say dat jesus was talking in literally terms dat he was biological son of God, then we have to take other claims of Son of God in literal terms too, no exception right

i believe d following are not my words. this below are other contradictions of jesus being the son of God.

Sons of God

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Job:38:7

Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.( Here Adam is called Son of God)
Luke:3:38

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Romans: 8:14

9inches:
First off, your "key" analogy doesn't fit. It's different from my analogy of trinity.

Jesus by his "ye are gods" statement was evidently trying to disarm them and to set them up for a bigger argument. Although he has just shown that all of Israel can be called 'gods', God the Father had consecrated him and sent him into the world, so he must be worthy of the title 'god' in an even greater sense (Son of God).

That said, the bottomline is they understood he was making a clear claim. It would not have been an issue if he had said he's the same "god" like the rest of them. They fully understood he was taking it too far.

“We are not stoning you for any good work... but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man (god, like them), claim to be God.” (John 10:33)

O my key analogy fits perfectly and you know it!!!

For what big argument pls if not for the argument of "i am god" and "ye are gods"

No, they misunderstood him, thats why he said,
john 10:34 "is it not in your law, i said ye are gods"(mind u dis is d next verse afta 10:33).
meaning, dont misunderstand me, its in your law that ye are gods metaphorically and i am only claiming Son of God metaphorically, because i know d law and i know its blasphemy to claim other gods with God. Thats y i said "i have not come to destroy/change the law or the prophets, i have only come to fulfill them" and i also said "Hear o Israel, OUR LORD OUR GOD IS ONE"

And still is it right to claim Jesus statement of "i and the father are one" literally when u have other verses like this that are not taken literally when it is jewish custom, that anybody close to God spiritually is called Son of God not in literal terms:

Sons of God

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Job:38:7

Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.(Adam called son of God)
Luke:3:38

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Romans: 8:14

9inches:
Sure, our Lord our God is one. And Jesus claims to be one with that One God.

This following statement is not mine.

“We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.” (John 10:33)

1. Your first statement brings me back to this yet again

ibtz:
Look at dis.

3 distinct keys of a key A(meaning of a type of key) , means u have 3 keys of type A in your hand not one type A key, 3 type A keys. if 3 distinct type A keys explains the "A" type key(meaning those 3 keys have some or all attributes of A type) it doesn't matter, as far u have 3 keys, those 3 keys dont metamorphose into one, its still 3 distinct A type keys, there is not one but 3 type A keys. Hence d same thing with trinity 3 distinct gods of type God("God" meaning of a supreme being that has control over the whole universe ) still is 3 gods in your hand of type God(still a supreme being that has power over everything).3keys of type A key is 3 A keys. so 3 gods of type "God" is what oga 3 Gods.

3 God types is 3 Gods not one. simple as abc.

2. And jesus refuted them by saying (jesus answered them)

Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
John:10:34

meaning, if i call myself son of god in literal terms, which indeed i know to be a blasphemy in the law, "the law also calls you gods". although we know that to be in metaphorical terms. So i call myself son of god in metaphorical term because i also said i have not come to abolish/change the law or the prophets, i have come to fulfill them.

And the following statement is not mine;
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Matthew:5:17

Shikeena, very straight forward !!!!

if u say dat jesus was talking literally terms dat he was biological son of God, then we have to take other claims of Son of God in literal terms too, no exception right .

i believe d following are not my words


Sons of God

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Job:38:7

Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.( Here Adam is called Son of God)
Luke:3:38

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Romans: 8:14

9inches:
No, "I and the Father are one" and "Before Abraham I Am" statements are not metaphors. They are huge claims. The Jews understood what he said, not you that is came by 2000 years later nor muhammad who came 600 years later.

so its now also u dat came 2000 years later dat knows best

which still brings us to this contradiction yet again!!!

"Hear o israel, Our Lord Our God is One". which by the way is not a metaphor and is a huge claim!!!

9inches:
Let’s start with a look at Psalm 82, the psalm that Jesus quotes in John 10:34. The Hebrew word translated “gods” in Psalm 82:6 is Elohim. It usually refers to the one true God, but it does have other uses. Psalm 82:1 says, “God presides in the great assembly; he gives judgment among the gods.” It is clear from the next three verses that the word “gods” refers to magistrates, judges, and other people who hold positions of authority and rule. Calling a human magistrate a “god” indicates three things: 1) he has authority over other human beings, 2) the power he wields as a civil authority is to be feared, and 3) he derives his power and authority from God Himself, who is pictured as judging the whole earth in verse 8.

This use of the word “gods” to refer to humans is rare, but it is found elsewhere in the Old Testament. For example, when God sent Moses to Pharaoh, He said, “See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh” (Exodus 7:1). This simply means that Moses, as the messenger of God, was speaking God’s words and would therefore be God’s representative to the king. The Hebrew word Elohim is translated “judges” in Exodus 21:6 and 22:8, 9, and 28.

The whole point of Psalm 82 is that earthly judges must act with impartiality and true justice, because even judges must stand someday before the Judge. Verses 6 and 7 warn human magistrates that they, too, must be judged: “I said, `You are gods; you are all sons of the Most High.' But you will die like mere men; you will fall like every other ruler.” This passage is saying that God has appointed men to positions of authority in which they are considered as gods among the people. They are to remember that, even though they are representing God in this world, they are mortal and must eventually give an account to God for how they used that authority.

Exactly my point, gods mean Judges, rulers metaphorically, then jesus assertion that i and the father are one is purely metaphorical.

simple as abc

9inches:
Jesus' claim that He is same with the Father does not contradict the oneness of God.

Now, let’s look at how Jesus uses this passage. Jesus had just claimed to be the Son of God (John 10:25-30). The unbelieving Jews respond by charging Jesus with blasphemy, since He claimed to be God (verse 33). Jesus then quotes Psalm 82:6, reminding the Jews that the Law refers to mere men (men of authority and prestige) as “gods.” Jesus’ point is this: you charge me with blasphemy based on my use of the title “Son of God”; yet your own Scriptures apply the same term to mere men (as described above). If those who hold a divinely appointed office can be considered “gods,” how much more can the One whom God has chosen and sent (verses 34-36)?

Read Verse 34-42 again.The jews understood what he was claiming to be and stoned him and wanted to seize him.

d scripture applies the same term metaphorically. how is dis hard.
because if it calls mere men gods literally then d scripture in itself blasphemes. because if God destroyed nations for worshipping other gods than Him, then calls mere men "gods" literally, dat is double standards mehnnn. Dat means dat jesus was also accusing the scripture(God's words) of being blasphemous.
i fail to see y u dont understand that

9inches:
The knew about the Messiah (not prophet) who was to come. They failed to recognize Jesus was the messiah.

(John 10:24-31) The Jews who were there gathered around him, saying, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Messiah, tell us plainly.”

25 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[b]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”

31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him.

He was not denying or refuting anything? Infact, it became clearer to the Jews what He was claiming himself to be. That's why they stoned him.

So wat did d jews know d coming of a messiah if not as a prophet, because it is in Jewish law dat dere is no oda God but God and its blasphemy to claim that God has a biological son. And jesus even said in the bible about law.
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Matthew:5:17.
So if it was jewish law, dat it was blasphemous to claim anoda God against the God of Abraham, then jesus said it himself from d above verse, he has not come to destroy the law but to what? fulfill it.

Please note, he refuted them by sayin 10:34 because if he wasn't, he wouldn't have claimed dat dey were also gods in d law metaphorically, if jesus said "is it not in d law that ye are gods", did he mean dat God's law was blasphemous too ehnn (Answer that).

if he refuted them by saying "is it not in your law i say ye are gods" they wouldnt need to stone him, but they refused and rejected him altogether for his claim to be the Messiah/christ, not d claim as the Son of God as evident in dis verse.
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Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
John:10:24




If u claim jesus called himself Son of God literally, then why do u have contradictions like "Hear o Israel, Our Lord Our God is One". plus many oda contradictions too.




One case u r claiming One God appears in three forms(meaning father is his own son), in another case u r saying father, son, holy spirit are merged into one entity

Mehn which are we to believe
Confused brethren

9inches:
Is God and god thesame? Why did the jews stone him?

No they r not d same, dis d literal meaning of god

 (deity. A supernatural, typically immortal being with superior powers. A male deity)

they did so because they thought he was claiming to be God, but he refuted by saying "Is it not in your law i said ye are gods" and they were also used to rejecting and trying to kill their prophets as evident in d following verses;
Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.(they knew of d coming of Christ as a prophet)
John:10:24

Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
John:10:25

But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
John:10:26


And also d example of wat happened to John.

9inches:

Read John 10:22-42 you will get the whole scope.

For short: (John 10:30-33) "I and the Father are one." 31The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. 32Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?" 33The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God,"

Then,from this above bible verses, u r discrediting your claim that God appears in 3 forms, from concluding verses

The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
John:10:33

Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
John:10:34

If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
John:10:35



From 10:34 is it not written in your law , I said ye are gods?

From d above, can we say jesus was talking about the jews being gods literally, noo, but he was talking metaphorically (god:metaphor A person in a high position of authority or a person highly revered) and hence his response in a metaphorical manner means his first assertion " i and the father are one". was also metaphorical. meaning(i and the father are united).if he meant him and d father are one as a single entity, he wouldn't have said what he said in 10:34.

if i say, white and black people are One, or husband and wife joined as one. what do i mean? do i mean they are a single entity, noo meaning they are united metaphorically.
Hence your Bible is contradicting u and discrediting your claim that God appears in 3 forms.

Think about dis, if jesus said "hear o israel, OUR lord OUR God is One". from d statement " OUR" meaning We, Us (jesus identifying as a man here). OUR Lord God is One meaning (we/us Men,human beings) our lord is one.

Which brings us back to this.

ibtz:
Its obvious u r not Sound at all at all.

Look at dis.

3 distinct keys of a key A(meaning of a type of key) , means u have 3 keys of type A in your hand not one type A key, 3 type A keys. if 3 distinct type A keys explains the "A" type key(meaning those 3 keys have some or all attributes of A type) it doesn't matter, as far u have 3 keys, those 3 keys dont metamorphose into one, its still 3 distinct A type keys, there is not one but 3 type A keys. Hence d same thing with trinity 3 distinct gods of type God("God" meaning of a supreme being that has control over the whole universe ) still is 3 gods in your hand of type God(still a supreme being that has power over everything).3keys of type A key is 3 A keys. so 3 gods of type "God" is what oga 3 Gods.

3 God types is 3 Gods not one. simple as abc.

U see why i said u r not sound logically ba?

Still you refuse to acknowledge the truth

9inches:
You are the confused one here. Sonship of Jesus as mentioned in the bible is different from what we normally think. The Jews who accused him of blasphemy, stoned and later tortured and crucified him understood exactly what claim of Jesus' sonship meant. They know it is not in the same way we are called sons/children of God.

ouuu, i think d narrative is changing




Now wat is jesus sonship as different to what think we in the bible?

pls explain

9inches:
Did you fall your head as a baby?
There are no 3 types of God. There is only one God who reveals Himself in 3 distinct forms/persons.

No i did not fall my head lol.

U are d one claiming trinity now, not me. If One God reveals Himself in 3 distinct forms/persons, then God appears as his own son ba meaning God is his own son.

U people are one confused lot

God is his own son.

just accept d truth but noo u cant.
Bruhhhhh. lol

9inches:
3 distinct |"instanceS"| of 1 time | explain | 1 time.
3 distinct | "personS" | of 1 God | explain | 1 God.
3 distinct | "_________"| of 1 key | explain | 1 key.
Can you see the loophole in your "key" analogy?
You are making 3 God types up; there are no 3 God types.
Again, come back your brain and fill the open space above, else you stick to exactly what I say.

Lol, now u know i am correct and i have caught u dats why u said i made God type up.

Oga u av been flawed, but i know u wont admit it. hahahahaha

And u know its true (from your response of me making God type up), makes me soooo happy yeahh

its just simple, worship the one individual who created u.

i used your explain analogy to flaw you and u know it

you cant create a worthy response thats why u say i am making it up. But no u christians have made up notion of trinity, when the Israelites only worshipped the God of Abraham

My My

Let me ask you this
since sango, ogun, osun are gods yeahh

Are Sango, ogun, osun of "God"(supreme being that controls d whole universe) type? if u say i am making God type up.

9inches:
3 distinct keys are 3 distinct keys. Your brain isn't yet back. Give it some time and try again.

3 distinct |"instanceS"| of 1 time | explain | 1 time.
3 distinct | "personS" | of 1 God | explain | 1 God.
3 distinct | "_________"| of 1 key | explain | 1 key.

See what's missing?

Give your brain some recharge time and come back again.

Its obvious u r not Sound at all at all.

Look at dis.

3 distinct keys of a key A(meaning of a type of key) , means u have 3 keys of type A in your hand not one type A key, 3 type A keys. if 3 distinct type A keys explains the "A" type key(meaning those 3 keys have some or all attributes of A type) it doesn't matter, as far u have 3 keys, those 3 keys dont metamorphose into one, its still 3 distinct A type keys, there is not one but 3 type A keys. Hence d same thing with trinity 3 distinct gods of type God("God" meaning of a supreme being that has control over the whole universe ) still is 3 gods in your hand of type God(still a supreme being that has power over everything).3keys of type A key is 3 A keys. so 3 gods of type "God" is what oga 3 Gods.

3 God types is 3 Gods not one. simple as abc.

U see why i said u r not sound logically ba?

9inches:
1. 3 distinct "instanceS" (of time) is not same as 3 distinct timeS.
2. 3 distinct "personS" (of God) is not same as 3 distinct GodS.

Stop confusing yourself. Oya go recharge your brain and come back again.

just look at what u wrote. ehnn

Just tell someone what u just wrote to test your intelligence.

Ask him/her if your point is correct. u r obviously not dat sound.

3 distinct "instanceS" (of time) is not same as 3 distinct timeS. Lol, dont make me laugh.

i have 3 examples of distinct keys but with your logic, i cant call dem 3 distinct keys.

Am sorry, but i cant argue with someone who is not sound logically.

3 distinct "instanceS" (of time) is not same as 3 distinct timeS. Lol, u r a clown big time.

9inches:
You see why I say you should pay attention. You're not getting it; keep trying.


Who were your teachers sef? What a poor job! Your biscuit analogy is hilarious; so is your mazda and toyota. Very funny.

Tenses (Expressions of Time) are distinct, not time itself. You aren't intelligent enough.


Correct. I haven't said anything different. Our God is One!

Any logical, neutral, reasonable person wud see dat my analogies are correct. U just cant accept it even though that analogy is clear enough. and u see u r not paying attention, i said there are 3 instances of time, so those instances are distinct from each other.
U only have d word "time" as a classifier for the present , past and future , meaning grouping dem together and calling dem, dey r all regarded as TIMES. present, past and future do not sum up to a single entity "time", the summation will b called times. i.e the present time, past time and future time sum up as what TIMES.(plural)
likewise trinity, father god, son god , holy Spirit god would b called gods not Single God.

Worship One God that is made up of One distinct being only, not 3.

I dont see how dats hard enough for u to understand.

I think its u who is not sound enough to understand this simple analogy dat can b explained to a child.

yet again
Salam Aleikum, and enjoy Sallah
Dont reject meat oo. Lol

9inches:
Already answered that. Learn to pay attention to save your own life.

trust me, i am paying great attention, i think its u dat needs to pay attention.

Pls pay attention to dis

Dis is your analogy. God the father is a part of God, God d son is anoda part of God, God the Holy Spirit is d last part of God. Hence d 3 gods make up one God. Hence God is a classifier for those 3 entities.

Now dis
u tried to explain dat theory with time analogy, and i discredited you that present, past and future are 3 distinct times. How many time instances are there? 3. A total of 3 instances. For example u have 3 biscuits, just because dere is a word "biscuit" that classifies d objects in question. wud u den say that those 3 biscuits make up 1 biscuit. No.
but u can say there is a pack of Biscuits that contains 3 biscuits. Hence a pack of gods that contain how many gods?? 3. So meaning your 3 in 1 cant be used as one God. 3 in 1 still is 3 gods.

Now lets use anoda analogy
u have mazda, toyota, nissan. wats d classifier here? type / part of vehicle class
Now i want to group dem all at once into one entity, what do i call them VEHICLES. same thing with your trinity I have Father, Son, Holy Spirit. wats d classifier (according to u) type/part of God. Now i group dem all at once into ONE entity, what do i call dem gods. note d plural form.
Hence your trinity logic is disproved bruhhh.
So there is only One God, the God of Abraham that created you and I, dat feeds u, clothes u etc. He is d only one worthy of worship.
The Jews call him elloh, d arabs call him Allah.
Hebrew and Arabic are quite similar in some respect because dey are semitic languages.

an arab says peace be unto you as Salam Aleikum, a jew says peace unto you as Shalom Aleichim.

Our Lord Our God is One ( i didnt say dat but Jesus did).
we muslims believe dat Jesus was born of a virgin mother and sent as a Prophet to the jews to set them straight. He was given the injeel, likewise moses being given torah and david was given zabur.

But still, i know u wud discard dis, afraid of change. but think deeply and u will know dat The God who created you is The Only One worthy of worship.

Salam Aleikum.

9inches:
You didn't prove anything, simply because you can't. Your ignorance of even your faith is showing. Even muhammad would be turning in his grave in utter disbelief. I will keep quoting you to make sure your display of ignorance on here is for a lifetime.

It is very rational to be scared of spread of a deadly malady like cancer, isn't it? And by the way, you can't demonize a demon.

Oh now u r saying i didn't prove anything, after all my writing, i did not prove anything of course i dont expect u to accept my provings.
Lol, so u know u r scared of islam, hate it or not islam will continue to spread as it will b accepted by ppl wu have sense and can think logically not dose dat believe There is 3 in 1 God.

This verse again

Quran 2:145

And even if you were to bring to the people of the scripture(jews and christians) all the Aayat (proofs, evidences, verses, signs, revelations etc) they would not follow your Qiblah, nor are u going to follow their Qiblah. Verily if u follow their desires after that which you have received of knowledge (from Allah), then indeed you will be one of the wrong doers.

Peace out bruhh. Enjoy Sallah

9inches:
There is no contradiction in saying Jesus is God and there is only but one God.

Brain fall on you

Oga hw wud jesus b God, and God the father is also God and u say, God is One.

bigger sense fall on u mehn; D

9inches:
You were, and still is downplaying the fact that it was established as a form of subjugation of dhimmis until they turn to muhammad's allah.

O God!!!! u know what, i give up on you. just continue in your ignorance, choose watever you choose to believe. i repeat yet again, its for civil obligations but u choose not to believe. Believe watever, i dont care anymore honestly.

9inches:
Myself, like every other person who understands islam for what it is, know who are taking after muhammad and Abu Bakr.

Lol, U dont know shit about islam, and i have proven it to you. Your knowledge is still prejudicial, and u dont have an understanding of the Quran (any at all). Your knowledge is only off sites that seek to demonize islam so dat dey will win souls for christ, but yet islam is growing rapidly, but yet u are pained about its progression. i understand your hatred, but don't worry Quran has already talked abt it.

U neva even sabi contradictions wey dey your bible, but yet u claim to know what is islam is.

Abeg no make me laugh

9inches:
No it wasn't. That's even the first commandment. The dispute was if Jesus is God.

Yeah and i showed you in your own bible where jesus is talking about d existence of only One God ("Our Lord Our God is One). I also showed u instances of "Son of God" appears in d bible.
Now u want to change it but u cant.

9inches:
No it wasn't. That's even the first commandment. The dispute was if Jesus is God.

Yeah and i showed you in your own bible where jesus is talking about d existence of only One God ("Our Lord God is One). I also showed u instances of "Son of God" appears in d bible.
Now u want to change it but u cant.

9inches:
Only if it does not get in the way of a latter sura.

And again, Shekau and/or Al Baghdadi are on point in their own exegesis preference. In fact, these "brave" junood allah are more Muslim than lily-livered moderate muslims like yourself.

There u go again, as far as it is not abrogated, it holds. what do u think is d essence of abrogation b4.

Evil exegesis of quoting Quranic verses halflly, without quoting its conditions. dats wat it is.

in your mind, u know they dont stand for islam, but because u want to make your own fair seeming, dats y u will not accept it.

9inches:
It wasn't a disputed case at all.

O yes it was.

9inches:
Mind explaning?

ok now i see where u get dis wrong.
i meant to say dey r both taxes together(not the same still) , but dey differ in name. i just did not put it in the right manner. (But u know, that i meant they r not d same) because i also wrote, it is muslims and non muslim tax, living in a muslim nation. i also wrote zakat is usually higher than jizya. so u know dat I meant dey r not d same

9inches:
You owe me tuition for all the lectures you received so far.

Yeah lol,
but dont get it twisted, as far as it is not abrogated, it holds.

And u also owe me tuition and salary for all my lectutes

9inches:
We are on the same page here; there is only one God.

oh now u agree

9inches:
And you lied, because they are not the same. It's not only the names that differ.
"When a believer utters a lie without a valid excuse, he is cursed by seventy thousand angels. Such a stench emanates from his heart that it reaches the sky and because of this single lie Allah writes for him a sin equivalent to that of committing seventy fornications. Such fornications that the least of which is fornication with ones mother."

Na your koran talk dis one o. Even your allah has cursed you. Sorry

Lol, dude i did not lie, u r not getting my point, i only said they are similar because dey are both taxes, i neva said dey r d same. i said zakat is obligatory on muslims and jizya is by non muslims unda a muslim authority i. e Muslim nation. i neva said zakat is for non muslims biko

9inches:
You are still the ignoramus because Sura 60 (Al-Mumtahanah) was revealed waaay before Sura 9:29 (At-Tawbah) which is the second to last sura before muhammad died. Sura at Tawbah precedes only Sura al-Nasr.

Jokes on you my student.

oh i didnt see dat very well, i was looking at the chapter no, instead of d order of revelation. at least i admit my error. But your logic is still baseless as far as d verse is not abrogated, it still holds.

9inches:
Christ’s divinity is shown over and over again in the New Testament. For example, in John 5:18 we are told that Jesus’ opponents sought to kill him because he "called God his Father, making himself equal with God."

In John 8:58, when quizzed about how he has special knowledge of Abraham, Jesus replies, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I Am"—invoking and applying to himself the personal name of God—"I Am" (Ex. 3:14). His audience understood exactly what he was claiming about himself. "So they took up stones to throw at him; but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple" (John 8:59).

In John 20:28, Thomas falls at Jesus’ feet, exclaiming, "My Lord and my God!" (Greek: Ho Kurios mou kai ho Theos mou—literally, "The Lord of me and the God of me!"

Philippians 2:3-11
Don’t be selfish; don’t try to impress others. Be humble, thinking of others as better than yourselves. 4Don’t look out only for your own interests, but take an interest in others, too.
5You must have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had. 6Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to. 7Instead, he gave up his divine privileges; he took the humble position of a slave and was born as a human being. When he appeared in human form, 8 he humbled himself in obedience to God and died a criminal’s death on a cross.
9Therefore, God elevated him to the place of highest honor and gave him the name above all other names, 10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

but yet again u r contradicted by dis



JESUS CONFIRMING ONE God
and he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but ONE that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Matthew:19:17 (jesus himself confirming one God)
.And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
Mark:12:32


ESPECIALLY THIS ONE BELOW
And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Mark:12:29

Which one shud we believe now, the bible or the bible

9inches:
Your lie is of satan. Zakat is not same as jizya. They are also not used for same purpose. Jizya is levied on dhimmis (non muslims) living in an islamic nation. You stop paying jizya stops when a dhimmi converts to islam.

God damn it.. did i say dey were d same now ehnn. i meant in respect of word tax that zakat is a tax that is obligatory on muslims and jizya is for non muslims in a muslim nation. Goshh, i neva wrote dey were d same. they are both tax is what i meant. and i mentioned dat zakat was usually higher. Goshh

9inches:
@bolded, where in my post you quoted did I mention 9:29 and other verses 60:8-9, etc as medinan and meccan? Paying attention is still a huge problem to you.
Let me break it down to your level. Medinan era sura supercedes that of mecca. But when it comes to contesting suras from same era, a latter sura takes preceedence.

You won't get tired of building a strawman and I will keep plastering your ignorance on here for posterity.

you r just been childish mehn.
So now in the medinan surahs, chap2, 9, 60 are of d same era. chap60 is a latter medinan surah
which supersedes chap 9. by your own logic oo, that means it has cancelled 9:29(not my logic, your unfound logic) . And now i am tellin u dat even if chap 60 came before 9, it will still hold water as far as it is not abrogated , but it came after chap 9. As far as a verse is not abrogated by another verse, it doesn't supersede or is not superseded.
here is my proof dat chap 60 comes after chap9
if we want to follow ur bigoted exegesis of the Quran that is fake.

"The 30 Surahs of the Medinan period, according to Noldeke (chronologically 91-114):2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 9, 22, 24, 33, 47, 48, 49, 55, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 76, 98, 110"

find in d link to read more.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medinan_surah?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C2575267317




so wu is ignorant now ehnn.