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9inches:
Jesus is the word of God with which God created all things. He proclaimed Himself "Before Abraham, I AM", remember God told Moses His name, "I AM". The Holy Spirit was there as well during creation.

John 1:
In the beginning was bthe Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men.

14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. 15 (John bore witness about him, and cried out, “This was he of whom I said, He who comes after me ranks before me, because he was before me.’ ”) 16 For from his fullness we have all received, grace upon grace. 17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known.

And yet u have contradictions in the following

SONS OF GOD

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Job:38:7

Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
Luke:3:38

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Romans: 8:14


JESUS CONFIRMING ONE GOD
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but ONE that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Matthew:19:17 (jesus himself confirming one God).

And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
Mark:12:32

And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Mark:12:29 (this cannot get any better "OUR LORD OUR GOD IS ONE"


And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
John:17:3

9inches:
You see the problem you have now. You are always quick to jump on your keyboard without digesting my comments.
Where did you see me saying any verse mentioned here is meccan or medinan? Inability to decipher between a general statement and a specific one is an infirmity I least expected you to have.

Mentioning meccan and medinan was to buttress my point that muslims can willfully apply any of both the wsy they deem appropriate. Hence, the difference between "moderate" muslims and "extremists".

Listening and paying attention is a virtue you should really adopt.

i believe i once told u its not about interpretation, its quoting verses half way that these extremists use and i proved it. yet again u say we interpret as we deem fit.

i believe dis is ur quote

"Again, the verses were of different time with 9:29. I will also add that 9:29 also abrogated, in practice, 2:109 as well. Muhammad's ability to add or delete verses according to questions or issues at hand also shows the flexibility of the Quran
"Even classical islamic scholars accepted that Medinan chapters supersede Meccan, not only for chronological reasons, but also because the Medinan verses represent Islam during a period of strength as against it's initial minority stage."

End of ur quote

u were talking abt verses being of different times and 9:29 being a medinan surah superseded oda verses i was quoting and then i burst your bubbles mann.



So your point is baseless.

9inches:
Yes I know it is used in such a way. Same way you are using the word "bigot".


Jizya is not taxed on muslims. It is only meant for non muslims as a form of 'dhimmitude'. That is one of their punishment for not professing islam. Once they convert, jizya ends.

yes but zakat is taxed on muslims as very obligatory. its only name dat differs. muslim and non muslim tax under a muslim authority i. e a muslim nation. And zakat is usually higher than jizya in percentage. and it is not as a punishment(anoda assumption) its for civil obligations as in any nation u wud pay tax.

9inches:
As much as I disregard the quran, it still says Jesus is the "word of God". The bible says so too. Now what did God create the world with? Word.
Do you want evidence of the Holy Spirit during creation as well?

You have a lot of quranic reading studying to do.

Jesus is a word of God not ward ooo. Kun faya kun (Be and it was). that is evidence of jesus creation, be and he was. because Allah can ordain anything, he only says "Be" i. e exist and it is i. e it will exist.
Quran 112
1. Say, He is Allah, The One.
2. The self sufficient Master, whom all creatures need.
3. He begets not, nor was He begotten
4. And there is none co-equal or comparable to Him.

Its u dats need to read up d bible and see ur errors.

Read dis again

Jesus told his disciples to worship one God ("thy Lord thy God". I believe jesus neva told his disciples dat "worship me". Dere are many verses in d bible dat says worship only one God Matthew 19:16-17 Mark 12:32-34 John 17:3 Mark 12:28-30
Jesus neva said to worship him but thy lord thy God in heaven. Now lets look at jesus christ as d son of God. what is d definition of son?'A male child, a boy or man in relation to his parents; one's male offspring"."A male person who has such a close relationship with an older or otherwise more authoritative person that he can be regarded as a son of the other person.""A male person considered to have been significantly shaped by some external influence."There are also many verses in d bibledat call ppl son of God: KJV Read 1 Chronicles 22:10 Luke 3:38 Romans 8:14 Job 38:7
Frm dis bible verses above we can call various ppl as d son of God Frm dis we can conclude dat christians falsely believe christ as a biological son of God instead of as a man influenced and guided by God and a Prophet sent unto the Lost sheep of israel.

And again, rest in peace

9inches:
Dude, read the quran in a chronological order. Most of the confusion muslims I have encountered have emanete from this disjointed chronology of the quran. I know what I'm saying when I suggest you should simultaneously study the quran, hadiths, bible and some good history.

Again, the verses were of different time with 9:29. I will also add that 9:29 also abrogated, in practice, 2:109 as well. Muhammad's ability to add or delete verses according to questions or issues at hand also shows the flexibility of the quran. Even classical islamic scholars accepted that Medinan chapters supersede Meccan, not only for chronological reasons, but also becausethe Medinan verses represent Islam during a period of strength as against it's initial minority stage.

Yeah agreed, medinan surahs were revealed during the time of strength.
Now let me burst your bubbles Quran chapter 2 is a medinan surah. Quran chapter 60 is a medinan surah, hahahahaa. yeah a simple google search will help.


The verses i quoted are medinan surahs and are not abrogated. This has stamped my argument flawlessly. Oops sorry, Yet again u can see dat ur bigotry is out of order.


Characteristics of Medinan surahs
Following are some of the stylistic and subject characteristics of Medinan Surahs:
*.(Mention of 'Jihad' and detailing on its rulings) Take note of dis one up bruhh .
*.Details of Islamic jurisprudence and legal system as well as laws governing family, money transaction, international law and acts of worship
*.Mention of 'hypocrisy' and dealing with hypocrites.( especially ppl like u bruhhh)
*.Any verse that starts with يا أيها للذين آمنواO you who believe
*.Long verses
*.Easy vocabulary
*.Arguments with the 'people of the Book' i.e.,Jews and Christians. (check dis one too biko)
*.Strong judgement and condemnation of non-muslims. and i know u might want to twist the word "condemnation " but here is the meaning

The act of condemning or pronouncing to be wrong; censure; blame; disapprobation.


Rest in Peace Bruhh.

9inches:
In as much as non muslims stretch it's meaning, muslims 'crop' it as a defence tool only. We all know it's more than that.


It's not unfound, it's very clear in the quran, at a given time, to achieve an end - Subjugation of dhimmis.

O so u know non muslims stretch its meanings to SATISFY their bigotry yeah.

2. Mehn yet again, anoda unfound assumption, now u r saying its for a given time to subjugate non muslims. Dis is d verse again for the umpteenth time. Tell me where u saw for a given time to subjugate non muslims. i dont undastand how tax collection is subjugating odas. Pls am tired

Quran 9:29
"Fight against those who believe not in Allah(arab pagans), nor in the last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and his Messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e islam)from among the people of the scripture until they pay the jizyah with willing submission and are willing to pay it. "




Please, stop
concocting lies, i know u will not accept but just stop pls.

this verse again
Quran 2:145

And even if you were to bring to the people of the scripture(jews and christians) all the Aayat (proofs, evidences, verses, signs, revelations etc) they would not follow your Qiblah, nor are u going to follow their Qiblah. Verily if u follow their desires after that which you have received of knowledge (from Allah), then indeed yoy will be one of the wrong doers

princetom1:
Does this teaching even makes sense to u yourself? What does the Bible really teach apart from all these hard explanations?

Exactly my broda... its not logical at all

9inches:
You obviously have comprehension problem. If Jesus is God (same God 'in the beginning') as I explained, how again can God be creating Himself?

God who is infinite and outside the realm of His creation (space and time), chose to enter his creation for man to have the understanding of who He is. Once He did that, it is only rational to think he should operate as a Man (confined within space and time). You don't need a PhD to wrap your brain around this.

You can ask, "does that mean Jesus prayed to Himself?" The answer is No, only if you understand the doctrine of trinity, one Being who is God, who has three distinct persons in Him (the Father, the Son and Holy Spirit). They surely can communicate to each other. In such a case, as with Jesus praying to the Father, He is not talking to himself, He is talking to another Person.

More explanation of trinity http://www.cuf.org/2004/04/trinity-blessed-be-god-father-son-and-holy-spirit/

No, u r d one dat has comprehension problems,one being existed before d other that is God. Jesus did not exist at the time of God creating the heavens and the earth and if u tell me dat he did den u r one big liar. so from God's words "Be and he was" Jesus was born to the virgin mary. its from dis instance that christians believe God fathered his child from mary. I mean God fathered his son from his own creation mary(is that not incest) and then allowed his alleged baby mama to marry another of his creations. does dat make sense to u oh sori my bad, it could to u because of watever reason. if jesus is God's son what does dat make Adam.
from ur logic, one being is God who is divided into three distinct persons, dat is still 3 gods. God dat destroyed nations for worshipping anything oda than him, for associating partners/oda gods with him. Dat God now has a son from his own creation mehn dat is double standards. Cant You Seee And it is not logical or rational at all.



Jesus told his disciples to worship one God ("thy Lord thy God". I believe jesus neva told his disciples dat "worship me". Dere are many verses in d bible dat says worship only one God Matthew 19:16-17 Mark 12:32-34 John 17:3 Mark 12:28-30
Jesus neva said to worship him but thy lord thy God in heaven. Now lets look at jesus christ as d son of God. what is d definition of son?'A male child, a boy or man in relation to his parents; one's male offspring"."A male person who has such a close relationship with an older or otherwise more authoritative person that he can be regarded as a son of the other person.""A male person considered to have been significantly shaped by some external influence."There are also many verses in d bible dat call ppl son of God: KJV Read 1 Chronicles 22:10 Luke 3:38 Romans 8:14 Job 38:7
Frm dis bible verses above we can call various ppl as d son of God Frm dis we can conclude dat christians falsely believe christ as a biological son of God instead of as a man influenced and guided by God and a Prophet sent unto the Lost sheep of israel.

9inches:
Read my post again. The latter law, if in a contest with a preceeding law, takes precedence. Muhammad gave different rules at different periods. That's why different sects in islam can apply different rule for similar cases and still be backed by the quran. There is no one-size-fits-all rule in islam when certain situations arise.

1. on whose authority does a latter law take precedence over a preceding. your authority?
lol. if by ur logic then QURAN 60:8:9 is a latter law and takes precedence over 9:29.

See am tired, i have showed you even a text from d same chapter to back my point, yet you now concoct another bullshit talking about preceding and latter laws. wth. I think maybe u shud continue with your bigotry. i av shown u clear enough evidences to back my point, but because u just dont want to accept, u say taqiyya, taqiyya.
Abeg, e b lyk say u no wan hear truth.

Quran 60:8
Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion nor drove you out of your homes. verily Allah loves those who deak with equity

Quran 60:9
It is only as regards those who fought against you on account of religion and have driven you out and helped to drive you out, that Allah forbids you to befriend them. And whosoever will befriend them, then such are the wrong doers)

9inches:
The verse in question is not addressed there. However, the reason why some sects in islam disregard the authentic (sahih) hadith is because it gave accounts of Muhammad's life who every rational person would know is a fickle-minded person. This is easily recognized when you simultaneously study the quran (chronologically), the hadiths, the bible and some history. You will realize muhammad makes those rules to gain loyalty and have his way with things. He was very smart. Although after he died, many were apostatizing, until Abu Bakr (talk for another day) took over. Islam owed its survival to Abu Bakr.


No, longest chapter means more texts, not verses.

Now u have resorted to insulting him. i think u r not a rational human at all. if not all my evidences, text, verses i have quoted shud make a right minded person think deeply.

2. Gosh, its still d same thing, chap 1 surah fatiha has less text than chap 2 surah Al-Baqarah. likewise surah 110 has less text than surah 111,112,113,114. dere r countless instances in the Quran. so it still remains that u have no knowledge of islam, muslims or the Prophet Muhammad and u r bigoted and prejudicial even after clear evidence. Thank you.

9inches:
It means you either spoke out of ignorance or you were using taqiyya.

Lol, u av been throwing taqiyya around. taqiyya means not reavealing your muslim identity if u r in grave danger i.e in a situation where muslims are being targeted or killed. u don't even know d meaning.

pls how is tax collection third class subjugation. am not understanding. u r just throwing unfound assumptions. Dis back and forth, am tired. u have not even replied to my own questions.

9inches:
Just like federal and state laws can be akin to each other in certain circumstances, but federal takes precedence as the final rule of law. Same thing happens with sura 9:29 versus its preceding analogous verses.


Your link goes to the homepage, not to any article in particular.


The quran is arranged from the longest to the shortest chapter, not verse.

In order

1.But dis law is in d same book now. its not two different constitutions.
Look at dis verse frm d same chapter 9
Quran 9:13
will you not fight a people who have violated their oaths(pagans of makkah) and intended to expel the Messenger (S. A. W) while they did attack you first? Do you fear them? Allah has more right that you should fear Him if you are believers.

This verse in itself has completed and complemented all my arguments about fight only if attacked first and it also preceeds 9:29.

2. copy the link to the html part. dis d link again

http://www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/quran/false_accusations/abrogation_claims_(P1216).html

3. Pls, longest chapter, is it not number of verses b4?
abi how do u determine longest and shortest chapter please?

9inches:
You said this



And I replied.


And now you are saying

so what now i dont get?

9inches:
Jesus Christ the Son of God was not created. Why? Because He is God. God revealing Himself to mankind the best way we can relate, is who Jesus was on earth. Pay attention to this: the Father is not the Son; the Son is not the Spirit; the Spirit is not the Father. BUT the Father is God, the Son is God and the Spirit is God. It is simply is a representation of three distinct aspects of the nature of God.

Let's look at "time" analogy for illustration. Is the "past" plus the "present" plus the "future" a total of three times? Not at all. It's simply a representation of three distinct aspects of the nature of time: past, present and future.

O wow jesus was not created, then he was what. Who existed first, God or jesus . if God existed first, how did jesus come into being if not created. if Jesus is God, as u put it then satan cannot tempt God or a part of God, (he wudnt dare) as evident to when jesus went for 40days fasting and prayer. Or can satan tempt God? if satan knows jesus is God, he wudnt dare try to tempt, its blasphemous to take such a claim..

Attributes of God, he doesn't eat, sleep, tire or even allegedly get nailed on the cross by his own creations.
if u want to talk abt time as an analogy for trinity,
yes d present, past and future is a total of 3 distinct times, not as a single representation, the present is not equal to the past nor the past equal to the future. and vice-versa. You cannot use a finite entity (time) to represent an infinite entity(God).As your time analogy is flawed, we cant look at God and say there is three in one, 3 in one absolutely means three gods, God's attributes is different from man and cant be shared across three entities, all else there wud be chaos and power mongering amongst themselves. God in trinity is like the greek analogy of the idols zeus, hades etc.

why would a God(i mean God the creator) that cannot die or tire have a child. i mean whats d essense of reproduction if not for d child to take over his father's or mother's legacy when he/she dies. You cant compare creator(God) to creation(Jesus A.S).

9inches:
I read a bit until I realized it's disjointed and/incomplete. Just a copy and paste would do, if you did reply them as you said. It won't take all the time.

O so u r d one that will tell me my own post is incomplete or u just refused to read it.
anyways , i cant force u to read it.

9inches:
No did not. Replace the underscores "_" with your replies. Thanks

i know u have read my mentions to u. u just want to take me back and forth. Find it in your mentions, its there. i enumerated each number clearly 1 to 4 based on your theory u posted and if u cant u can maybe view my profile posts, scroll down a little.u will clearly see how i listed my replies.
Thank you

9inches:
You are a walking taqiyya, bro. 9:29 abrogates the verses (60:8-9). Unlike the old or new testaments, the quran is not organized by chronology but rather by size of chapters. Even within chapters, chronology can be confused. For example, in sura chapter 2, Muhammad received verses 193, 216, and 217 shortly after he arrived in Medina. About six years later, verses 190, 191, and 192 were received. This complicates interpretation, all the more when some verses appear to contradict.

Lol. on whose authority and where did u find such. hw would a verse talking about tax collection and fight people that seek to kill you abrogate another about befriending people that seek not to kill you and drive u away frm your home. i do not see any correlation.

Dis is an article on abrogation, please i beg u read it, do not be averse to read it please. because in ur prev arguments u pasted links to which i read. So please do.

http://www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/quran/false_accusations/abrogation_claims_(P1216).html

Your claim that Quran is arranged on size of chapter is a big lie. for example, surah Al fatiha the first chapter has seven verses, surah Al-kauthar(chapter 110 out of 114 chapters) has three verses making it the smallest in the Quran, likewise surah al-hujurat (chap 49) has 18 chapters while surah Qaf (chap 50) has 45 verses. So u see that u have no knowledge of
Quran, Islam or the Prophet,your assumptions are based on prejudice and bigotry. Your U just copy sites that seek to demonize islam to satisfy your theory and bigotry.

Now let me ask my own question.
How is it logical to have three in one God. God the creator that created the earth, human,animals and heavens(u know how mighty the heavens are) without no one's help will now need his own creation to help answer prayers from humans. God that destroyed towns, cities, villages for worshipping anything other than him will now turn around and say oya, this is my son worship him. Another point God will even father his own child from his own creation Mary?. Please explain soonest.

i still have others but answer that one first

9inches:
You are a hardcore liar. Non muslim foreigners who only temporarily reside in muslim lands are exempted from paying jizya. Pick up your quran and hadiths and read them, if possible simultaneously; you will be amazed by how disorganized your "miraculous" quran.

Lol. Please which lie did i tell now ehn.u r only contradicting ur sef, look at what u wrote there. temporarily non muslims are exempted. if they are, its because they are only staying for a while, i do not see any disorganization in that.

9inches:
This is hard to read. Please reply in arranged and more organized format. You can edit this and just type in your replies:

1&4 Killing of innocent people -
Abu Afak : ___

Asma (Marwan's daughter) : ___

Adolescent boys of Qurayza : ___

Al-Ansi (Sahih Bukhari Book 64, Hadith 402) : ___

2 Killing women and children -
Sahih Bukhari volume 4, Book 52, Hadith 258 : ___

Sunan Abu Dawud, Dar-ul-salam/Hadith 2671 : ___

Fartana (a slave girl of Abdullah ibn Khatal) : ___

3 Destroying people's place of worship -
Kaaba of Yemen (Sahih Bukhari Book 56, Hadith 229) : ___

More: https://islamqa.info/en/20894

5 Enforce islam on others -
Sahih Bukhari, Vol 4, Book 53, Hadith 392 : ___

Sahih Bukhari, Vol 9, Book 92, Hadith 447 : ___

Sahih Bukhari, Vol 1, Book 8, Hadith 387 : ___

i believe i did that. Find in your mentions. in d case of dat link, d article is long to be pasted here.

9inches:
Because Quran Chapter 9, with its verse of the sword (and the above verse, and other supremacist verses), is generally considered by muslim scholars to be the last or one of the last chapters Muhammad produced, those same scholars often say that it cancels or abrogates the quran's tolerant chapters and verses, which Muhammad produced early in his career. Yet the early, more tolerant chapters are still considered valid for muslims when Muslim are weak and in the minority. Why? Because Muhammad was weak and in the minority when he produced those early chapters during the first, Meccan stage of his career. Orthodox Muslims thus consider the early chapters to be a sacred program valid for the first stages of Islamizing a society. In later stages of Islamization, when muslims have become stronger, the quran's later, supremacist, totalitarian chapters apply and supersede the earlier.

Wow. sori to disappoint but dats not the case, in the case of abrogated verses, it is always stated in the commentary below the verse when the verse has been abrogated by a new one, e.g in the case of alcohol consumption, it was allowed in light quantity(in the commentary below it, u wud see "this verse has been abrogated by the following verses) but Allah totally prohibited it in anoda verse.

The verses i quoted were not abrogated, in any transcription of the Quran.

Lastly, this verse

Quran 2:145

And even if you were to bring to the people of the scripture(jews and christians) all the Aayat (proofs, evidences, verses, signs, revelations etc) they would not follow your Qiblah, nor are u going to follow their Qiblah. Verily if u follow their desires after that which you have received of knowledge (from Allah), then indeed you will be one of the wrong doers.

9inches:
Quran 9:29 does not say "fight in self-defense." It says "fight those who do not believe" in Islam

"Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad) have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth (Islam), out of those who have been given the Book (the Bible, given to Christian and Jews), until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of (muslim) superiority and they (Christians and Jews) are in a state of subjection (dhimmitude, i.e., third-class legal status for non-muslims).

Lol. Your bigotry is out of order. its there in the verse now. i explained it clearly to u. fight dose from among d people of d book who refuse to pay the jizya (tax levied on non muslims under the protection of a muslim government). if dat was in d case as to Christians subjugated to third class status, i bet u can neva visit dubai, uae, egypt,qatar etc because of third class subjugation. Just admit d truth u are irrevocably biased and will never see d truth even if it is presented clearly. And i never said it was for self defense. its only as to the case of the arab pagans that u shud fight in case u r fought against. I would advise you to pick up the Quran one day and read thru and c for ur sef, its not too late

9inches:
The question was "ALL muslims don't interpret the quran the same way. True or false?"

i believe i answered that, read my post again.

9inches:
Quran 9:29 “Fight those from among the People of the Book who believe neither in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor hold as unlawful what God and His Messenger have declared to be unlawful, nor follow the true religion, until they pay the tax willingly and agree to submit.”

This is Quran 9:29


"Fight against those who believe not in Allah(arab pagans), nor in the last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and his Messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e islam)from among the people of the scripture until they pay the jizyah with willing submission and are willing to pay it. "

Fighting against d arab pagans still held conditions like
1. Fight only if u are attacked first as evident in Quran 2:190

[Quran 2:190]
And fight in the Way of Allâh those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allâh likes not the transgressors.

2. Not attack people that do not attack u as evident in the verses

QURAN 60:8
Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion nor drove you out of your homes. verily Allah loves those who deal with equity

Quran 60:9
It is only as regards those who fought against you on account of religion and have driven you out and helped to drive you out, that Allah forbids you to befriend them. And whosoever will befriend them, then such are the wrong doers.



Lastly Quran 9:29 talks abt jizyah (a tax levied on non muslims under THE protection of a muslim Government).

So meaning fight dose among d ppl of d book wu refuse to pay tax until they pay. Note, Muslims to do pay tax. Unda any normal govt if u refuse to pay tax u will be sanctioned, arrested, imprisoned etc.



Quran 2:145

And even if you were to bring to the people of the scripture(jews and christians) all the Aayat (proofs, evidences, verses, signs, revelations etc) they would not follow your Qiblah, nor are u going to follow their Qiblah. Verily if u follow their desires after that which you have received of knowledge (from Allah), then indeed yoy will be one of the wrong doers.

9inches:
5. enforce islam on odas - Sahih Bukhari – Volume 4, Book 53, Hadith 392
Sahih Bukhari – Volume 9, Book 92, Hadith 447
Sahih Bukhari – Volume 1, Book 8, Hadith 387

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4. As to d first hadith bukhari book 92 447 dis is d quotation
Chapter: “…But, man is ever more quarrelsome than anything.”


He was only being quarrelsome he neva carried it out because it was not ordered by God as evident in d narration. He said that is what I want (meaning him not God).Thats y d chapter is named "But, man is ever more quarrelsome than anything.”

Narrated Abu Huraira:

While we were in the mosque, Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) came out and said, "Let us proceed to the Jews." So we went out with him till we came to Bait-al-Midras. The Prophet (ﷺ) stood up there and called them, saying, "O assembly of Jews! Surrender to Allah (embrace Islam) and you will be safe!" They said, "You have conveyed Allah's message, O Aba-al-Qasim" Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) then said to them, "That is what I want; embrace Islam and you will be safe." They said, "You have conveyed the message, O Aba-al- Qasim." Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) then said to them, "That is what I want," and repeated his words for the third time and added, "Know that the earth is for Allah and I want to exile you from this land, so whoever among you has property he should sell it, otherwise, know that the land is for Allah and His Apostle."

For d second bukari book 8
The conditions as stated in the Quran like Quran 2:190 still holds, only fight if u r attacked but transgress not the limits.


(Narrated By Anas bin Malik : Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah." Narrated Maimun ibn Siyah that he asked Anas bin Malik, "O Abu Hamza! What makes the life and property of a person sacred?" He replied, "Whoever says, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah', faces our Qibla during the prayers, prays like us and eats our slaughtered animal, then he is a Muslim, and has got the same rights and obligations as other Muslims have."



Quran 2:145

And even if you were to bring to the people of the scripture(jews and christians) all the Aayay (proofs, evidences, verses, signs, revelations etc) they would not follow your Qiblah, nor are u going to follow their Qiblah. Verily if u follow their desires after that which you have received of knowledge (from Allah), then indeed yoy will be one of the wrong doers.

Quran 109 best illustrates abt not forcing islam onto odas

like dis verse Quran 109:6
"To you be your religion and to me my religion. "

anoda one
Quran 2:256
There is no compulsion in religion.....

9inches:
3. destroying people's place of worship - kaaba of Yemen/Dhul- Khalasa (Sahih Bukhari Book 56, Hadith 229)
More: https://islamqa.info/en/20894

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3. The title of dat article is obligation to destroy idols.I am sure christian evangelist also go out to destroy idols in shrines and what have u.

It is not to destroy churches or Jewish synagogues. I am sure in dat article u wud not find such

9inches:
2. KILLING women and children - Sahih al-Bukhari volume 4, Book 52, Hadith 258
Sunan Abu Dawud : Dar-us-Salam reference / Hadith 2671
Fartana (a slave girl of Abdullah ibn Khatal)

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2. The woman killed was done in error and was in killed in the battlefield as the Prophet disapproved of killing women and children as evident by the following hadith.


Chapter: Regarding Killing Women (121) ﺑﺎﺏ ﻓِﻲ ﻗَﺘْﻞِ ﺍﻟﻨِّﺴَﺎﺀِ
‘Abd Allaah bin (mas’ud) said “A woman was found slain in one of the battles of the Apostle of Allaah( ﷺ ). The Apostle of Allaah( ﷺ ) forbade to kill women and children

Abu dawud 2668

When we were with the Messenger of Allah ( ﷺ ) on an expedition, he saw some people collected together over something and sent a man and said: See, what are these people collected around? He then came and said: They are round a woman who has been killed. He said: This is not one with whom fighting should have taken place. Khalid ibn al-Walid was in charge of the van; so he sent a man and said: Tell Khalid not to kill a woman or a hired servant.

9inches:
1 & 4 are the same - killing of innocent people - Abu Afak, Asma (Marwan's daughter), adolescent boys of Qurayza, Al-Ansi (Sahih Bukhari Book 64, Hadith 402), etc

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Your reply in order.
Please read more from
http://www.discoveringislam.org/ibn_isshaaq_stories.htm

The Killing of Abdullah bin Khatal and His Two Singing Girls
The story as alleged goes like this. Abdullah bin Khatal was a convert to Islam. He later apostated and his two singing girls start singing songs making fun of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.). The Prophet did not like this and allegedly ordered all three of them to be killed. Abdullah was allegedly killed by two Muslims. One of his girls was also allegedly killed too. However, the other girl managed to get away and survive. (Ibn IssHaaq, p. 551)
This story is only found in Ibn IssHaaq and is not mentioned in any Hadith book. The Isnad (chain of transmissions) for this story is broken and very weak. Thus, we can safely say that this story like the rest is false. And we've already seen that Prophet Muhammad did not order the killing of women from the above quoted Hadith. This story was most likely made up by Jews of Madinah and Ibn IssHaaq probably got this fabricated tale from them.


1. This is bukhari 64 hadith 402.

Chapter: The story of Al-Aswad Al-‘Ansi

(71)

باب قِصَّةُ الأَسْوَدِ الْعَنْسِيِّ

Narrated Ubaidullah bin `Abdullah bin `Utba:

We were informed that Musailima Al-Kadhdhab had arrived in Medina and stayed in the house of the daughter of Al-Harith. The daughter of Al-Harith bin Kuraiz was his wife and she was the mother of `Abdullah bin 'Amir. There came to him Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) accompanied by Thabit bin Qais bin Shammas who was called the orator of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ). Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) had a stick in his hand then. The Prophet (ﷺ) stopped before Musailima and spoke to him. Musailima said to him, "If you wish, we would not interfere between you and the rule, on condition that the rule will be ours after you... The Prophet said, "If you asked me for this stick, I would not give it to you. I think you are the same person who was shown to me in a dream. And this is Thabit bin Al-Qais who will answer you on my behalf." The Prophet (ﷺ) then went away. I asked Ibn `Abbas about the dream Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) had mentioned. Ibn `Abbas said, "Someone told me that the Prophet (ﷺ) said, "When I was sleeping, I saw in a dream that two gold bangles were put in my hands, and that frightened me and made me dislike them. Then I was allowed to blow on them, and when I blew at them, both of them flew. Then I interpreted them as two liars who would appear.' One of them was Al-`Ansi who was killed by Fairuz in Yemen and the other was Musailima Al-Kadhdbab."

Did the Prophet kill any innocent person here

9inches:
Yes, their own version. All muslims don't interpret the quran the same way. True or false?

its not interpretation, its quoting halflly to satisfy their blood thirsty evil selves.

read dis please!!!!

A Factual reply to the "Boko Haram" Nonsense!

BOKO HARAM and oda terrorists VS RELIGION OF ISLAM

1. The Boko Haram kidnapp girls and force them to change their religion.
While
Islam says: “Let there be no compulsion in religion.....” (Qur’an 2:256)

2. The Boko Haram have forcefully married off girls.
While
Islam says: ".....Do not inherit women against their will....." (Qur’an 4:19)

3. The Boko Haram are aggressive towards those who do not follow their beliefs.
While
Islam says: “IF IT HAD BEEN YOUR LORD’S WILL, all of the people on Earth would have believed [in one religion]….” (Quran 10:99)

4. The Boko Haram have murdered thousands of Muslims and Christians alike in cold blood.
While
Islam says: “….If any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people...” (Quran 5:32)

5. The Boko Haram use the cover of Islam to commit their mayhem and claim they are doing ALLAH'S work or JIHAD (HOLY WAR).
While
Islam says: “…… BUT DO NOT TRANSGRESS LIMITS; FOR GOD LOVES NOT TRANSGRESSORS.” (Qur’an 2:190)"

6. The Boko Haram believe once you are not with them you are an enemy to them.
While
Islam says: “O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise each other)......” (Quran 49:13)

7. The Boko Haram have unleashed tyranny and indecency in the land.
While
Islam says: “God commands justice and doing good and giving to relatives. And He forbids indecency and doing wrong and tyranny....” (Quran 16:90)

Finally, upon all their false claims it is clear to see that Boko Haram do not represent Islam in any way because, they are acting against Islam.

9inches:
Tell me one difference between what these four groups you mentioned do that is different from what the founder of their religion did in his time.

Just one difference!

First and foremost, go and read d Prophet's history, u will av a clearer view. its so easy for u to be prejudicial.

Secondly, the wars fought btwn the Prophet's time was btwn d muslims and arab pagans at d tym who sought to kill him in mecca, not CHRISTIANS AND JEWS wu lived with him PEACEFULLY in medina.

Mind you he preached in mecca for ten years for d ARAB pagans to drop idol worship, and worship one God The God of Abraham. His followers were tortured, mercilessly killed and maimed. Afta dat his uncle Abu talib who had been protecting him died. This gave d arab pagans a clear chance to kill him but they failed and he escaped to medina but the arab pagans followed suit essentially given birth to d wars as ordained by God to protect themselves against d arab pagans comin to kill dem. dats y u av verses like Quran 2:190 i quote;

And fight in the way of Allah those WHO FIGHT YOU, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allah likes not the transgressors .

So the Prophet Muhammad only fought dose wars as act of self defense, to collect back their seized possessions and belongings and to eradicate idol worship bound by the limits i.e do not kill women and children, do not uproot trees, do not destroy oda peoples places of worship, only fight dose who fight u first and if they cease u shud cease.



Isis, Al-Qaeda, Boko etc take dis verses and quote dem halfway den ppl think think dey have their basis in islam. BUT THEY DONT. They do not represent muslims or av basis in islam.

METHODS OF DIS TERRORISTS

1.SUICIDE
2.KILLING women and children

3. destroying people's place of worship
4. killing innocent people
5. enforce islam on odas

The Prophet Muhammad never did any of d above.

[Quran 16:125]
Invite all to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching, and argue with them in ways that are the best. Truly, your Lord knows best who has gone astray from His Path, and He is the Best Aware of those who are guided.

hamzeiy:
in as much as this topic was meant to appreciate the tradition of the hausa people and has no relation to muslims or islam, i am forced to reply you thus
..who wants to marry a christain with a fuvking smelly p.uzy..
anyways what does one xpect from people that dont use WATER to cleanse themselves from filths of urine,orgasm,intercourse,"sshit",wet dreams and so on..i will slaughter my child with a spoon than to see her marry a filthy being like you.

Dont do that, if he is insultive, just ignore or try make him change his mind.

9inches:
Who best defines a religion than the founder? Don't be deceived by the way your Christian or muslim friends act out their own version of their faith. You better go and study what their faith teaches.

Their own version it is evident dat u av no knowledge abt the Prophet. ur view is clearly bigoted

9inches:
It depends on what you mean by good religion. Giving charity and praying 5 times daily is good. Hating someone with dissenting views is bad, inciting violence against that person is worse and committing violence and killing of that individual is the worst.

Is it d over 1.6 billion muslims in d world dat exhibit dis behaviour? d ppl dat do that(boko, taliban, alqaeda, isis) are less dan 0.1% of the total muslim population (do d math). FACT: DEY HAVE KILLED MORE muslims dan non-muslims. if dey kill muslims(which happens most of d tym) it is just anoda bombing or killing as a normal tin as seen by d world but if dey kill non muslims den d world will be awake. Dere are countless, countless times dat muslims have condemned extremists, but d media doesnt carry dat. Y use minority to judge majority. if islam was intolerant towards non Muslims, oyedepo will not smell dubai at all. Nor will christians live in northern nigeria because it is predominantly muslim. But if not for hypocrisy u will defend bigotry.