₦airaland Forum

LordAdam16:
Everyone here is in agreement that the ideal solution to this problem is the Nigerian military smoking the savages.
We also all agree that solving this problem is within the capabilities of the Nigerian military.
We also all agree that the Nigerian government has shirked its responsibility in securing the lives of Nigerians--Christians and Muslims alike. And have even made some egregious and baffling errors that appear to be rewarding the cretins.

Where there is a divergence is what happens when the Nigerian government refuses to heed the warning of the Americans.

For one camp, and you are in this camp, nothing should be done if the Nigerian government fails to act.
We should all just continue to type condolences, complain, and count coffins.
Tell me if I'm wrong and how?

If the threat of military intervention does not get Tinubu and co to act, then what will?
And how long should we wait for that miracle to happen while thousands more die?
Answer!

Again, you are unwell if you think you can threaten religious war and death to those who demand action be taken because terrorists are about to be sent to their creator.
Don't worry, if the operation starts we will also tell you that the US is also killing Christians in Venezuela, so they are not targeting muslims.
Y'all think you are dealing with kids.

-Lord

LordAdam16:
You are unwell.

Christians have been killed.
The US says it will eliminate the terrorists and militas doing the killing.

All of a sudden you remember that the terrorists and militias are Muslims.

I thought Islamists were not killing Christians.

Let me tell you this so it will enter your skull.
A religious war will split this country.
Southern Nigeria will survive it. But Northern Nigeria will become a question mark.

Look at this one talking about weapons flooding the Sahel.
As if Southern Nigeria does not have a coast line.
We are talking about how to end the killings of Christians and Muslims alike, you are talking about starting a religious war.
Who are you threatening?
Saying many of those cheering for the US to kill terrorists will die.
Look how easy it was to get you to admit that you will have justification for backing Boko Haram to target Christians.

After attempting to gaslight us, you show your true colors.

-Lord

nahr:
Dude nobody wants these terrorists to be alive but compromising Nigeria's sovereignty is not the solution. Knowing the pattern of US "saving" the oppressed citizens of certain countries and leaving them worse off, we ought to be skeptical. An ideal situation would have been a partnership of the US army with the Nigerian army while providing weapons and Intelligence.

Allthelight:
you do know the Yorubas called for a foreign military intervention during endsar right? Why is it wrong now ?

Allthelight:
In a country where the major ethnic groups who claim to be one of the most educated groups in the world.. will now go to the u.s to beg.

nigeriansamurai:
furkin hell, are you being serious?

obedience4:
What do you even mean by occupation this man??

First of all, even if the US were to intervene, which is not going to happen.. it will be a joint military operation with permission from the Nigerian government. Where does occupation come from??

Russia military are in three African countries today, i have never seen you being critical of such military deployment. Russia is coming to save Mali and Co. from terrorism While the US is coming to destroy Nigeria and steal her resources.

Is Russia not in charge of minerals resources in the countries she has deployed her military assets? Have you for any time been critical of Russia's control of those countries' resources??

The US occupied Japan after WW2. Look at how Japan developsed is one of the largest economies in the world same with South Korea, even the Philippines. These are countries doing well

usmanpogo:
Education is meant to eradicate any form of illiteracy, the fact that you can scribble a few lines, I would assume you have attained some level of education however insignificant it appears in your crass mannerisms.

Firstly, the Fulbe people migrated to present day Northern Nigeria, just as some settled in Mali, Burkina, Chad, the Fulanis used to be under the rulership of the Hausas before Usman Dan Fodio declared jihad. No one's denying Shehu Usman is not from Sokoto. You can easily copy and paste any part of what I wrote on the internet, you'll find enough articles on it.

The Hausa-Fulani identity was championed after the successful overthrow of the Hausa kings and the establishment of the caliphate which Usman himself was the first Caliphate.
Other result of the jihad was the Subjugation of the Habes ( non Muslim ).

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In essence, while the jihad was primarily a religious movement, its outcome fundamentally reconfigured the ethnic and power landscape of the region, creating new ethnic hierarchies and contributing to the complex ethnic dynamics seen in modern-day Nigeria and beyond.
"

Any Yoruba or Ibo or Hausa ( even the ones in Ghana ) outside Nigeria will tell you their their origin story is linked to Ile-ife, the Igbos to Nri or Aguleri people and the Hausa to Daura.


If Shehu Usman Dan Fodio didn't conquer Hausa land, why was he the first Caliphate ?

Cancri:
I love this, everybody should answer their fathers name, the Islam loving core North should have their sharia country while we at the lower North should have our country free of Islamic radical like you but unfortunately you are still a northerner like me.
The igbo should have their biafra while the Yorubas their oduduwa, everyone should develop their land, this Is long overdue

Mikasaobi:
Honestly I don’t think USA or any foreign country is coming. This is Trump being Trump, remember Greenland and Canada, we’re still waiting on Venezuela.

The USA and Canada have very large rare earth reserves. The main problem is the complicated and expensive refining process, no investor will invest that much in the north with all the insecurity.

Mikasaobi:
I get you but I think you’re a bit harsh on Nigerians.

Nigerians are seeing the country as a failed state so they think foreign interference is a lesser evil.

I don’t want the USA involved but I don’t blame the citizens, I blame the politicians for bringing this evil on us.

WriteerNg:
American Democracy is finally coming home.

I hope we all embrace it.

usmanpogo:
Every foundation built on lies will always wobble or at long last crumble. The geographical enterprise we call Nigeria today is a country that comprises many nations with different ideologies. In order to understand the current dilemma we find ourselves, we must understand the differences between a nation and a country.
A nation is a group of people with shared history, descent, culture and ideologies. While a country is a geographical expression with well outlined borders and self-sovereign authority. For example the Ibo people are a nation, just like the Yorubas and the Hausa.

Since time immemorial, the difference in ideologies of these groups of nations within a country has always been a problem. While religious beliefs play a crucial role in how these ideological differences are formed.

The Northern Nigeria is more complex or perhaps more heterogenous compared to the South. The Northern Nigerians are predominantly Muslims with Christian minority, how that happened is something we all should have been concerned about.

Without mincing words, the same people we call bandits, cattle rustlers, terrorist all have something in common, they are all Muslims and they are mostly Fulanis.

The Fulanis aren't historically Nigerians, since we have learned to accept them as Nigerians, Fulanis from Niger, Chad, Mali can easily claim to be Nigerians and commit these crimes probably in connivance with the ones in Northern Nigeria.

The Usman Dan Fodio conquest of Northern Nigeria had ethnic consequences, some argued it was a jihad and it had nothing to do with ethnic cleansing but the records says otherwise.

In fewer terse, the issue of ethnic cleansing has been going on in the North (especially around North Central ) for decades if not centuries, except it receives more publicity recently due to the advent of social media. Most minority ethnic communities are Christians, at these rate there will be none left.

Cancri:
walai I prefer America to loot Nigeria and we become stable like Japan, South Korea. Than for the Americans not to loot and we remain like Nigeria of today

Islam is the problem of Nigeria and the world, remove Muslims from Nigeria and watch Nigeria become the next japan

WriteerNg:
🇺🇸 🆚 🇳🇬

Scorpio99:
Before we talk, are you older than God too? I just wan check something. 🤣🤣

Scorpio99:
Which kain shameless lawyer be dis for Christ sake 🤣🤣

Allthelight:
Ok... Well I am not Wikipedia. My point is if u have government officials doing this then are you sure they are not the ones sponsoring these people

Akaekpuchionwa2:
Just for you to provide evidence/receipt to the above question u don turn am to seniority contest. Look who is clutching at straw?

Akaekpuchionwa2:
Can we see your past post condemning the killing of Muslims by terrorist in the North?
Can we see you condemning the government policy of rehabilitating islamic terrorist who murdered your friends?

Benue has been suffering back to back attack and killings but you dismiss everything cox to you Muslims are the major casualties.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
Good that you have been exposed.
Defending and whitewashing Islamist terrorists as bandits. Defending the attacks against Christians in the North.. You're no different from the genocidal Zionist entity.

Allthelight:
To really solve Nigeria problems the three main ethnic groups needs to be re-educated.

Ted Cruz is right to point out Fulanis.

No genocide but a former president called on violence

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
The same you referring to Islamist terrorist as bandits. You're irredeemable

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
Of course you don't see anything wrong. Proper Muslim Taqqiya.

Akaekpuchionwa2:
I don't know why they're hellbent on rewriting history. Something we all witnessed.

seunny4lif:
“In Iraq and Afghanistan, there are no trenches.”

🗣️ American instructor Matthew Samson, who fought on the side of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, on the fundamental difference between the war in Ukraine and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan:

“Sometimes we came across caves and had to conduct combat operations inside them, but that was rare.

The US Army does not train for trench warfare at all.
We know that Russians bosom-trap objects much more often compared to Iraq and Afghanistan.

There, we were much more used to "clearing" rooms with as many people as possible: if a room fits seven, we put seven.

But here in Ukraine, it’s the opposite, because almost everything inside the room can be rigged with explosives.”

shoodboi2:
That's his job here

LordAdam16:
The genocide talk is an insertion by the Hasbara f**ls to push their "genocide is okay in Gaza" agenda.

We can see the nauseous attempt from a mile away.

-Lord

shoodboi2:
I have repeatedly referred to the genocide in Sudan as a genocide and you can see it here:

https://www.nairaland.com/7481160/russia-ukraine-war-world-news-weapons/4027#137301945

Meanwhile, you have refused to do so and have repeatedly referred to it as a “carnage” and "atrocities" instead of calling it the genocide that it is. And yet, you keep accusing me of downplaying a genocide you won’t even acknowledge.

But you likely did not know I called the Sudanese genocide a genocide because you are only interested in arguing from an emotional standpoint rather than addressing issues logically.

For context, Sainttwist started this conversation when he referred to those of us who condemned the Israeli genocide in Gaza as “women and children people” and said that we aren’t talking about the Sudanese genocide because Israel and the US are not the ones committing it. His wingman, Jerryking, then supported his stance.

I then pointed out that no one is talking about “women and children” being killed in the Sudanese genocide because the majority of the victims of the Sudanese genocide are men, which is true. I also acknowledged seeing photos of women being tortured by the RSF.

Even the Washington Post link the pleader who has never been to a real courtroom shared yesterday, clearly mentions that the people who fled El Fasher where the Rapid Support Forces has been committing a genocide are majorly women, children, and the elderly with very scanty men. This clearly proves my point about men being the main casualties of the RSF genocide and not women and children.

So how is that me downplaying a genocide? I didn’t downplay the genocide in Gaza and I will never downplay the one in Sudan too. But I know you guys will downplay both genocides.

You have already started by repeatedly referring to the Sudanese genocide as a “carnage” or "atrocity" rather than a “genocide”. Your man, Hoaxen, has offered you support by talking about people “bastadizing” the meaning of genocide and “genocide accusations flying up and down."

It is only a matter of time you all will begin to openly claim that there is no genocide happening in Sudan. I know you are currently in your usual wait-and-see approach mode where you wait for the US to opnely clarify its position on an issue before deciding on which side to take.

LordAdam16:
We are in agreement that there are multiple underlying reasons for the killings.

But for too long we have allowed this issue to metastasize because we have put too much focus on properly categorizing the attacks.

For instance, a bunch of opportunistic herders with personal arms could fell a tree, drop it on a road, stop traveling passengers and rob them with one or more unfortunate deaths. Some of these militias are pretty much gangs like the confraternities in the South.
If Christian armed robbers in the South kill Muslim victims, no one gives it an ethnic or religious coloration.
So I get it. We are all Nigerians and we know the finer details of this multifaceted issue.

That notwithstanding, Christians in the North particularly in exurban and rural locations are being squeezed by the worsening insecurity, and Christians and other well-meaning Nigerians like myself have had it with the stories and explanations.
We are tired. They should make it stop. Both the killings of Christians and Muslims.
And for the umpteenth time, no one should ask Christians to tolerate or be circumspect about more killings of Christians because Muslims are also dying.
You don't ask a grieving family not to grieve and demand justice because other people died.

-Lord

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
U too dey shalaye for nothing.
If clicked that link, you will see where the terrorist ransacked communities in Jos, turned the churches to mosques in those communities the original inhabitants fled from.
Check below excerpt from the ThisDay news article.

“It’s quite provoking to imagine that the foundations of churches that were destroyed by these terrorist elements have overnight been reconstructed as mosques, to the utter disregard of the fundamental rights of the displaced people. A case in point is the Rankum (Mahanga) in Jol, Ranchos, and Kak in Sopp, all in the Riyom LGA.

“For the avoidance of doubt, over 151 hamlets and villages are either totally ‘annexed’ or effectively being occupied by the Fulani militants, bandits, or terrorists in the aforementioned Local Government of Barkin Ladi, Bassa, Bokkos, Mangu, and Riyom,” he explained.

Before this latest allegation by the Plateau youths, the son of the first Gbong Gwom Jos and spokesperson for Southern Middle Belt Alliance (SAMBA), Prince Rwang Pam Jr., had in a media interview in December 2021 claimed that 102 communities in the state were renamed and forcefully occupied by Fulani herdsmen, who had been attacking the state since 2001.

“When attacks happen, some say it was allegedly committed by herdsmen. They are not alleged herdsmen; they are Fulani herdsmen. Survivors know their identity and when they come to attack, they shout ‘God is great’ in Arabic. They kill women and children while mothers watch their daughters being raped. It is just pathetic. The killings have continued because the government allowed them. The annexed communities have increased to 102 because the government allowed it to happen,” Pam reportedly explained.

In the petition, MUTA further alleged that since 2013, “armed Fulani herdsmen have repeatedly wreaked havoc on communities in 20 of the 23 local government areas of Benue State, massacring thousands of people, destroying communities and, often, totally obliterating economic and cultural assets.”