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damkin24:
You guys too dey rate OBJ. Are you saying Atiku would be sidelined in his own house because he literally start the ADC.

We are saying two different things. I never opined that Obasanjo can decide for ADC. I am only stating that Kwankwaso will be hoping for something in ADC than APC.

He will be the first person to register (001).
He will divide the Kwankwasiya into two, and half will follow Kwankwaso into the ADC.
Obasanjo is working towards an Obi/Kwankwaso ticket. They are trying to sideline Atiku.
Let's see how it's gonna go after the ADC primary.

No Be Juju Be Dat?

Truthseeker10:
🤣🤣🤣Baba go and sleep.

Before nko?

MaxInDHouse:
So you finally admitted that you are not his brother, right?🙂

Is he not your brother?

MaxInDHouse:
You just love deceiving yourself!😃

I sent it to u precisely. What are brothers for? Help your brother by sending the response to him on all the questions he has raised.

Truthseeker10:
🤣🤣🤣Funny man....I should look for answers that you've not given. Oga since English translations of Greek words does not matter, answer the questions below.

Why do you still call your dad "father" since Jesus told you in Greek not to do so?

So according to Jesus in Matthew 18:36, it is not only God that should be worshipped even servants can fall down and worship their earthly masters?

You claimed to have worshipped your parents.....do you bow down and fall down to them?

According to your statement in bold above, does the Bible teach that spirit beings should be worshipped apart from God Almighty?

You don't have to be lazy boy.
Go check it out. Na Assignment. Nobody go help u do am.

Truthseeker10:
Why do you still call your dad "father" since Jesus told you in Greek not to do so?

So according to Jesus in Matthew 18:36, it is not only God that should be worshipped even servants can fall down and worship their earthly masters?

You claimed to have worshipped your parents.....do you bow down and fall down to them?

According to your statement in bold above, does the Bible teach that spirit beings should be worshipped apart from God Almighty?

I have answered all the questions somewhere. Go and look for them. Don't be lazy.

We always play vital game to go for a penalty shootouts we are not good at. I do not understand that mentality.
We did the same thing in the world cup qualifiers against DR Congo and now today against Morocco.
I Don't Understand this kind of mentality.

MaxInDHouse:
So are those rebelling againt Him still part of His worshipers?

Jesus instructed his disciples to organize themselves for the assignment he gave them! Matthew 28:19-20
While JWs are doing this globally today you people can't organize yourselves all you do is argue aimlessly about Jesus yet claiming you're worshiping him

Jesus commanded his disciples to make sure there is love among them as a sign that they are followers of the Prince of peace! John 13:34-35
While you people can't even agree to worship together as one each of you nah anywhere belle face yet Jesus is your God.

Jesus commanded his disciples not to be a part of worldly politicians {John 17:14-16} so that Satan won't use tactics to divide them. Luke 4:5-7
While you people can't even separate the holy things from Satan's arrangement.

Jesus commanded his disciples to stop talking or greeting any self acclaimed believer who refuses to hold the same line of thought with them! Matthew 18:15-17 compare to Romans 16:17; 2John 10-11
While you people continue deceiving one another counting those contradicting what you teach as DENOMINATIONS of believers in your Jesus.

Jesus commanded us never to raise weapons against anyone be it friend or foe! Matthew 5:43-48
While you people are fighting and killing your fellow worshipers in other lands in the name of politics and racism.

Yet with all these you people are still claiming you WORSHIP Jesus.

Between Jehovah's Witnesses who says it is not about worshiping Jesus but obeying his commands who knows him better? John 15:14😂

Was Judas that betrayed Jesus not part of His disciples? Are you kidding me?
They are part of the fold, but Jesus will reject them on the last day. They are people who have their place with Judas, who saw the light but still walk in darkness.

Janosky:
No Sir .
Greek pipto g4098 (meaning Bowing down ) @ Revelation 22:8 is not worship .

Oga , go & confirm it ooo.
Don't confuse bowing down (pipto ) & worship.

That you bow down to a monarch/your parents does not mean you worship them

@ Rev 22:8-9 John said " I bowed down to worship."
Johns reason/motive for bowing down was rebuked by the angel.
Oga, note the difference.


Greek transliteration:
piptō
Simplified transliteration:
pipto

Strong's number:
4098

to fall, collapse[i]; to bow down;
Definition:
to fall, Mt. 15:27; Lk. 10:18; to fall, fall prostrate, fall down, Mt. 17:6; 18:29; Lk. 17:16, Rev 22:8[/i]

You are confused Oga.
I asked for the meaning of Worship and Obeisance in Greek, you are selling pepper and tomato for me.

Janosky:
@ Acts 15:14-18,did the disciples tell you they are bearing Jesus name?
No.
Therefore,the name is Jehovah's witness.

The question is WHY?
Let your Bible explain why....
The answer is Jesus revealed it,@ Matt12:15-18, Chosen servant of Jehovah @ Isaiah 43:10. Chosen servant is Jehovah's witness.
@ Rev 3:14 Jesus is "Faithful witness"
Jesus said @ John 17:11, "Holy Father ,keep them in your name which you have given me."
@ John 5:43, "I have come in my Father's name".
Is the Father's name Jesus ?
No nau !!!


@ John 9:4 & John 20:17,Jesus cemented this fact. Jesus /the disciples chosen servants bearing his Father's name, Jehovah's witnesses they are

So the first church was Jehovah Witness?
Keep deceiving yourself.

abc115:
In Osogbo Osun state. 😁

The decentralization of our gallant military academy has come to fruition.

Established in May 2025. Less than a year, see buildings and what they’ve pulled already.

Power of wiliness, well done President Tinubu 🫡

In Osogbo Osun state. 😁

The decentralization of our gallant military academy has come to fruition.

Established in May 2025. Less than a year, see buildings and what they’ve pulled already.

Power of wiliness, well done president Tinubu 🫡pic.twitter.com/0131OcWk9J

— Ainà Dipo 🇳🇬 (@dipoaina1) January 12, 2026

TINUBU is on a restructuring agenda.
May the LORD be with him.

MaxInDHouse:
Shame don catch am!😂

Jesus prayed for his disciples to be One {John 17:22} so that there won't be any division among them! 1Corinthans 1:10

So God never answered Jesus' prayer shey?

I don hear you.😃

As for our own leader he prayed that we should be united in faith and that is what God did for him among Jehovah's Witnesses that's why our God started calling us by another group name! Isaiah 65:15

By the way if you believe there should be contradictions then why can't you just accept that this is part of the so called CONTRADICTIONS?

You are unwise.
God create Angels and some still rebelled against him. Does that show that God is imperfect?. He created man and men rebelled against him. Does that mean that God make mistakes?
Jesus Christ gathered his disciples to be of like minds and be united (that is the meaning of being one), but does that mean that there won't be disagreement or division or God does not answer Jesus prayers?
Judas was one of the twelve and he betrayed Jesus, does that mean that Jesus is not a perfect teacher or master? And the circle of questions continues.
You are not wise.
Acts of the Apostles 20:29-30
[29]I know that false teachers, like vicious wolves, will come in among you after I leave, not sparing the flock.
[30]Even some men from your own group will rise up and distort the truth in order to draw a following.

DIDN'T YOU READ "MEN FROM YOUR OWN GROUP?" will rise up to distort the truth that they ones Knew?

YOUR PROBLEM IS THAT YOU DON'T READ SCRIPTURES ACROSS AMD WIDELY. YOUR READING IS TOO NARROW.

MaxInDHouse:
Sebi the group name (CHRISTIANS) you people found in the Bible you have defamed claiming thousands of different religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines are denominations under the same God?

Well that's the secret because the true God waited until Jesus returned to separate true Christianity from falsehood so that pure worship is restored back before God began calling us by that new group name:

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

For your information that name was first pronounced in the year 1931 and from that time honest hearted individuals are seeing that this organization is the true religion that should bear that name "Christians"
That's why you can't mention the name of your church because you don't know any reputable group to mention!🙂

There have been contradiction since Christianity began even during the days of the apostles. The letters of Paul, Peter, and James clearly addressed division even right from the beginning of the Way. There were wolves among sheep even as far back as then.
Contradictions will continue till the second coming of Christ. But God cannot be mocked, "The Lord knows those who are His."
So, no change topic, the Lamb was worshipped by the host of heaven. Simple.

MaxInDHouse:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!
Name the only true God started calling His true worshipers {Isaiah 65:15} after Satan polluted the group name inhabitants of Antioch gave us in the first century. Act 11:26🙂

Show me Jehovah's Witnesses in that Acts 11:26 na. Because I dey look for Jehovah Witness in the below and I can't see.
Acts 11:26.
26 After he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year they assembled with them in the congregation and taught quite a crowd, and it was first in Antioch that the disciples were by divine providence called Christians.

Isaiah 65:15
15 You will leave behind a name that my chosen ones will use as a curse, And the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will put each of you to death, But his own servants he will call by another name;

Janosky:
Did Jesus quoted Isaiah the prophet @ Matt 12:15-18 that Jesus is Chosen servant of Jehovah God ?
Yes.
What name did Jehovah God call his chosen servants @ Isaiah 43:10 ( ASV), 2 Chronicles 7:14 "my people bearing my name" ?
Yes,Jehovah's witnesses.
Did the apostles agreed they were bearing God's name?
Yes, Peter said so, Acts 15:14-18, he learnt from the prophet.

Is their name Jehovah Witness?
Yes or No?

Janosky:
Bishop kingsley, a Trinitarian said Jesus was NOT worshipped in Revelation 5:14.
That is the reason NWT rendered verse 14 "worshipped."
Oga, stop deceiving yourself.

What is my business with ur Bishop Kinsley?
Will he be the one to interpret the scriptures to me? Is he the Holy Spirit or John that wrote revelation?
Oga go sit down.
WHAT IS THE GREEK OF OBEISANCE AND WORSHIP? POST AM IF YOU GET MIND. I BET YOU NO GO FIND THE DIFFERENCE.

Janosky:
According to you
"Devil asked Jesus to fall down and worship him, was the devil not demanding worship from Jesus if he fell down to worship? Why didn't Jesus just bow down and say it is just bowing down and not worship".

You said the Devil requested for two things: 'bow down' & worship.

That explains the difference..
Or

According to your claim "bowing down is worship" .
Do you agree that the men in the screenshot worshipped the monarch ?

Which difference?
Is bowing down not worship?
Oya, tell me how to worship?
Or what was the Angel telling John here? YOU ARE CONFUSED? WHAT IS WORSHIP?
Let quote Una Bible JW.

Revelation 22:8-9
8 Well I, John, was the one hearing and seeing these things. When I heard and saw them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing me these things.
9 But he tells me: “Be careful! Do not do that! I am only a fellow slave of you and of your brothers the prophets and of those observing the words of this scroll. Worship God.”

Confused people.

MaxInDHouse:
What we do is having the knowledge of the two because it means our salvation {John 17:3} but when it comes to worship only one of them deserves to be worshiped! Deuteronomy 6:4

That is ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE of God's word not following the crowd.

If i ask you to mention the name of your church where the two are worshiped so that we can compare the activities with that of Jehovah's Witnesses who only worship the father you will run away.

Why?

Because those claiming worshipers of Jesus are confused people not organized!🙂

Can you remind me of the name of the Apostles' church again sef...I don forget o.
I think in the Bible the name they were called was Jehovah Witness abi...help me confirm abeg.

MaxInDHouse:
Of course worship separates the father from the son nah!

Since worship only belongs to the father! Deuteronomy 6:4🙂

Where was the separation in Revelation 5:13-14?
YOU DID THE SEPARATION BY YOURSELF IN YOUR MIND RIGHT.

MaxInDHouse:
When it comes to worship automatically the father and son are separated since worship only belongs to the true God!🙂

Ahhhhh...this guy. You don cast.
Last last you separated them.

I HAIL YOU OH!!!
TUALE.

MaxInDHouse:
There is only one true God says Jesus {John 17:3} so if you're confused due to a Bible verse all you need to do is think (meditate) by comparing what other verses say not picking up out of context a verse that never explicitly said what you want to imply.

That is why i asked you to quote a verse that says "everyone should worship both the father and the lamb" that you can never ever find throughout the Bible that is why you are trying to tie your belief to this verse and ọmọ it's not working!🙂

Another deflection.
But they both worship the father and the lamb sitting on the throne na. Abi na you want separate the father from the lamb now ni?
I QUOTED FROM YOUR SCRIPTURES. EXPLAIN YOU SCRIPTURES NA. E HARD YOU?

MaxInDHouse:
Worshiped who?🙂
Jesus said his father is his God and our God {John 20:17} so if verse 14 said they worshiped who do they worship?🙂

Trying to evade. Explain verse 13 and 14. Simple. If you don't know, come clean and say it make I help you explain am.

MaxInDHouse:
And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and underneath the earth and on the sea, and all the things in them, saying: “To the One sitting on the throne and to the Lamb be the blessing and the honor and the glory and the might forever and ever.” Revelation 5:13

Our salvation hings on the knowledge of two persons according to Jesus himself! John 17:3

Why you stop?
You no quote VERSE 14 na. Why you stop at verse 13.
WHY YOU DEY FEAR?
Let me use your JW Bible, I get the soft copy. I go quote am and you go do the explanation.
OYA EXPLAIN VERSE 14, NA UNA BIBLE I QUOTE O WEY USE WORSHIP.
LET ME HEAR WHAT YOU GAT TO SAY.

JW Bible (Revelation 5:13-14
13 And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and underneath the earth and on the sea, and all the things in them, saying: “To the One sitting on the throne and to the Lamb be the blessing and the honor and the glory and the might forever and ever.”
14 The four living creatures were saying: “Amen!” and the elders fell down and worshipped.

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is what i asked you to quote in any version of your choice!

You no sabi read? Did I tell you I quoted anywhere? Wasn't that a statement that captured different verses that I later quoted for you?
Oya explain the passage I quoted for you in ur own Bible to prove you OBEISANCE.
I go come ask you how you pay Obeisance and how you pay worship.
First explain wetin the 24 elders did to the lamb first.
Explain wetin the 24 elders did for the Lamb.
Explain wetin the 24 elders did for the Lamb.

I bet you cannot explain it to fit your Obeisance, because the next question will be "How do you pay worship then? Tell us.

MaxInDHouse:
Can you quote the highlighted in the Bible?

Shey you go rest if I qouto am.
As you no know Bible and u no sabi read yourself until your organization releases statement. OYA TAKE.
Revelation 5:13-14
[13]And then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea. They sang:
“Blessing and honor and glory and power
    belong to the one sitting on the throne
    and to the Lamb forever and ever.”
[14]And the four living beings said, “Amen!” And the twenty-four elders fell down and worshiped the Lamb.

MaxInDHouse:
Continue deceiving yourself.

If you are one of the worshipers Jesus it's OK we aren't worshiping Jesus he is our fellow worshiper of the same father and God! John 20:17

But the host of heaven worshipped both the father and the Lamb who sit upon the throne na. But you want to dey cos division between them. Commot the lamb from the throne first before you worship the father alone na.
EVIDENCE FULL GROUND LIKE WATER...
Revelation 5:14
[14]And the four living beings said, “Amen!” And the twenty-four elders fell down and worshiped the Lamb.
Revelation 7:11
[11]And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living beings. And they fell before the throne with their faces to the ground and worshiped God.
Revelation 22:3
[3]No longer will there be a curse upon anything. For the throne of God and of the Lamb will be there, and his servants will worship him.

MaxInDHouse:
Highlighted is where we differ because we are OBEDIENT to the lamb but as for worship it belongs only to the true God! John 17:3
That is what OBEISANCE to the lamb means to us!🙂

Means to u? You people have rewritten your own scriptures to suit you?
You translated the Bible from a language to English and other languages na.
Tell us the word for Worship and Obeisance in that original language you translated them from, let us check.
IS THAT TOO DIFFICULT AN ASSIGNMENT TO.DO?

NO BE JUJU BE DAT?

Truthseeker10:
1)Lol...you are a very funny man.
You clearly stated as evident in the screenshot below that English interpretation of greek words is inconsequential.

If Jesus used greek word to tell you not to call your dad at home "father", why are you now calling your dad "father"?

Is there a seperate greek word for human "father" and a seperate greek word for "father" as referring to the Almighty God?

2) You claimed to worship your parents in the screenshot that I shared in the previous post. Is there a seperate greek word for "worship" when referring to parents and a seperate greek word for "worship" when referring to the Almighty God? Why are you now trying to twist the greek word for "worship" to fit your parent?

Below is Matthew 18:36

King James Bible
The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.

New King James Version
The servant therefore fell down before him, saying, ‘Master, have patience with me, and I will pay you all.’

Why is the new king James version avoiding the use of "worship" in the above verse. Is it not trying to twist the greek word for "Worship"?

Why are you also saying that servants should honor their masters, are you not bold enough to claim that servants should "worship" their masters?

New King James trying to evade worship? Are you new to Bible history? Why was the New King James version written differently from the King James? Was it not to make it simpler for people to understand? Worship was broken down to mean falling down or bowing down.
When the Devil asked Jesus to fall down and worship him, was the devil not demanding worship from Jesus if he fell down to worship? Why didn't Jesus just bow down and say it is just bowing down and not worship. When you fall and bow down to anyone or image, it is worship. Such is meant for Elohim (Spirit beings (plural) with God's delegation) alone.

You still have not told us the Greek of Worship and Obeisance so we can check the difference.

MaxInDHouse:
We worship the only true God Jehovah {John 17:3} and Jesus is our high priest {Hebrews 9:11} leading pure worship so all of us with Jesus are fellow worshipers of the same father and God! John 20:17

So as our high priest whatever Jesus say regarding pure worship everyone including all the angels in heaven must Obey him! Hebrews 1:6

As my God, whatever the father asks me to do for anyone I will do. He asked that the land sitting on the throne should be worshipped and I shall OBEY.
If you like disobey the Father, na your wahala be that.
Revelation 5:13-14
[13]And then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea. They sang:
“Blessing and honor and glory and power
    belong to the one sitting on the throne
    and to the Lamb forever and ever.”
[14]And the four living beings said, “Amen!” And the twenty-four elders fell down and worshiped the Lamb.

MaxInDHouse:
Continue with your fellow worshipers Joo!🤣

I worship Jesus because the father has put me under him and he is above me.
I commit any crime to obey the father's instruction?

No Be Juju Be Dat?

Truthseeker10:
You've not still provided the answer to the question in the screenshot below.

How many answers do you want provided? If you need a course on Bible interpretation then enroll in one.
Jesus was teaching his disciples, in the presence of the crowd whom he was addressing, that they should not behave like the Pharisees by attributing to THEMSELVES and to OTHER attributes that will make them full proud and larger than life.
Jesus did not oppose the names: Rabbi (Master), Father, not Teacher. He was only telling them that when people attribute such names to them, they should give honor back to God who is the father of all and His Christ (Messiah) who is the Master/Teacher of all.

Or is it a sin to be called teacher or master?

Back to worship.
It is worthy for the Lamb (Christ) to be worshipped by men and heavenly hosts as he is greater than them. It is also expedient for the Lamb to worship and acknowledge the father always as the ruler of all.
SERVANTS SHOULD HONOR THEIR MASTER AND THE MASTER TOGETHER WITH HIS SERVANTS SHOULD HONOR THE MASTER'S MASTER.