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MaxInDHouse:
Whoever doesn't submit to any school of thought is regarded as a worker of lawlessness before Christ {Matthew 7:21-23} that's what you are claiming right now self righteousness. Isaiah 64:6
It would have been better if you don't come here to speak against the churches whatever judgement you pass across to them is the same God will use for you! Matthew 7:1-5🙂

Lol...see you.
School of thought? That is heresy.
There is not other school of thought order than what is clearly written in the scriptures. Any school of thought that negates that is heresy.
The Bible never said anything against gambling and that is the thoughts of the writers of the scriptures, any addition is a school of thought that can be classified as heretic.
Simplito.

MaxInDHouse:
Join any church where gambling is approved nah!

I need you to tell me before.
No Be Juju Be Dat?

MaxInDHouse:
If you refuse to accept what the church concluded upon regarding gambling today surely you won't accept either Jesus or his Apostles because they taught so many things that's not written word for word in the Old Testament.
So listen and learn the workers of iniquity Jesus is talking about @ Matthew 7:21-23 means individuals who will not welcome rules agreed upon by the church of Christ {3John :9} yet claiming they are his disciples.
For instance many like you chose to be disobedient to those taking the lead in the first century the Apostles and Elders of the church called them sons of disobedience {Ephesians 5:6} Paul told all members of the church to stop talking to such individuals {Romans 16:17} Apostle John said we shouldn't even greet them {2John 10-11} and Jude called them animals! Jude 19
So if you wish to stay alone without associating with any church that's your own problem {Hebrews 10:24-25} but know that all those kicking against God's prophets in Bible times and today have just one reason:

"They must show us where it is written in the scriptures"

Even though they can see that there is no organized group of worshipers that's approving what they choose to do they will stubbornly continue deceiving themselves with false reasoning. James 1:22

You will continue to be tormented if you are still quoting me on this matter because i won't stop responding with powerful scriptures whether you like it or not the church of Christ forbids gambling!🙂

Which church agreed to that? When and where was the sitting and agreement made?
Anything not in the scriptures is just an opinion. The scriptures is the constitution of the believer and it is rigid that it cannot be amended again.
DO YOU WANT TO ADD OR SUBTRACT FROM THE SCRIPTURES BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE IT IS NOT COMPLETE ENOUGH OR THE WRITERS ARE NOT WISE ENOUGH TO LEAVE SOMETHINGS OUT.
Simplito.

Truthissupreme:
Lol, wey the sharia law and hisbah must go people

Timubu don scam riley

See Ignorance at its peak.
The bills were already being delegated upon by the assembly since earlier this year before Trump started his Christian genocide saga just last month.

Go to school you will not.

No Be Juju Be Dat?

Dtruthspeaker:
With your repeatings, it is clear that the cuss of m@)dness has fallen on top of you for the thread shows that about 4 times I proved that gambling is stealing and stealing is a sin, yet you repeat everything you have said before whenever you cannot counter. Men, you are cussd

You proved? Are you the Bible?
Use Bible to prove that gambling is stealing na.
Why e difficult for you to use the Bible.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus said to those who will take the lead in his group:

“I still have many things to say to you, but you are not able to bear them now. However, when that one comes, the spirit of the truth, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own initiative, but what he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things to come." John 16:12-13

So if all elders in the church of Christ has agreed upon a matter and sent words to all congregations {Act 15:22-29} whoever fails to hid the counsel by the spirit is no longer a member of Christ's family, they have bound it both in heaven and on earth that gambling is disapproved among God's people therefore go and attend any church that approves gambling for you. As for keeping quiet you can't decide for anyone here as you are not the one who asked the question it's a person who wishes to know what the Bible says on the matter and i have told him that gamblers are worshipers of Fortuna goddess of good luck.

Ọmọ you can worship anywhere you like if they approve gambling there but if not know today that the heavens has removed your name in the book of life for kicking against the spirit of the church! Matthew 12:31-32 compare to Matthew 18:15-17

So, gambling is one of the many things? Shey u dey play ni. Na only Jesus talk for new testament? Did Paul, Peter, John, James etc also have many things to say and all of them forgot to mention gambling as rampant as it was then as a sin?
Go chill abegi

MaxInDHouse:
Why are you so restless nah?🙂

You said it's not written in the Bible word for word and i showed you that it's not everything Jesus taught that was in the Old Testament word for word yet his disciples believe him because they saw the result of his teachings.

You said your church approved gambling i told you it's OK so continue attending the church where gambling is approved.

What else do you want?

Obviously you are worried as you lied to cover your shame but i decided to take you for your word.

Now answer this one question:

I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses and my church forbids gambling.

Oya what is the name of your church where gambling is approved?🙂

And I have pointed it out to you that the scriptures is our grand norm and anything outside it is just your opinion. Simplito.
Not a single verse has been quoted by you from the scriptures regarding gambling.
If you can't prove anything from the scriptures, then keep quiet. Simplito.

MaxInDHouse:
Good!
So continue attending since the elders in your church approves gambling as for those whose church elders disapproved it they should not go against the spirit of the church {Revelation 3:14} it's better to change the church than kicking against the spirit of the church of God! Matthew 12:31-32

Oga all these talk na talk.
Quote a single verse where the Bible called gambling a sin. Simplito.
Why is that difficult to answer.

Dtruthspeaker:
Digging into shame won't get you out of it. The thread already shows that since the very beginning you never could deny the stealing both you and the gambling organisers do when you both try to steal each others' money despite all the times you kept moving post and repeated yourself. And I told you since then you had nothing to valid to say. And now, after all your lies and twistings, you still find that you are still guilty of stealing when you gamble. Olē. Everyday for the thief one day for God!

Did you read the topic of the post? It say:
What does the Bible say about Gambling?

Show us from the Bible where Gambling is regarded as a sin. Simplito.

Dtruthspeaker:
If truly you went to school then you would have known that by 99% you referred to real and tangible things with digital being the anomaly.

And see, in addition to all your disgrace you now resorted to lies for no, Bitcoin is not even sanctioned by your rulers (legal)

Central Bank of Nigeria
https://www.cbn.gov.ng
PDF
press release on virtual currencies.pdf
Virtual currencies are not legal tender in Nigeria

You better go hide yourself in shame.

RenoOkriTheGoat: 9:42am On Apr 15
They will never learn. Greed for quick wealth.

Anywhere belle face
Re: From MMM To CBEX: Nigeria’s Recurring Ponzi Tragedy by OkCornel(m): 9:42am On Apr 15
They never learn.

Another one will come up within 3-5 years.

You are the one distorting the truth. The government of Nigeria has come out to say they will create a framework that will REGULATE the cryptocurrency.
Some countries has taken Bitcoin and crypto as legal tender. Does God judge things based on Nigerias views alone?
Bitcoin trading/Gambling are not stated to be sin in the scriptures. If you disagree, point to the scriptures or kept the guts shut.
CASE CLOSED.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ it's simple just find any church where the elders approve gambling and start attending if truly you believe in Jesus who arranged for Apostles and elders to govern the affairs of his disciples. Act 2:42🙂

I do not attend a church that add to wat the scriptures has stipulated.
Maybe ur own organization do some addition and subtraction as time and generation changes.
Gambling is not stated in the scriptures, so my church do not have any reason to speak for or against it.

MaxInDHouse:
This is about what elders of the church of Christ concluded upon {Matthew 18:17} that gambling is not for the children of God so if you now insist on seeing a scripture where it's written word for word when no church support it then you are like the Jewish nation that rejected Christ and his Apostles because they can't see what they said written word for word in the Old Testament!🙂

Lol.
You are already cornered.
Who are the elders? The one in your Organization?
Keep whining yourself. Even if they tell you not to eat food again but fruits, you will take it as the gospel because some so called elders agreed on it.
Is that not laughable?

Dtruthspeaker:
See for your to use Bitcoin and salary together just shows how low you have fallen.

Wiki
Bitcoin is the first decentralized cryptocurrency

A cryptocurrency is a digital, currency.

And here you are calling air and software in a computer a real thing like thing you use to pay bus fare, and you say you are normal.

Then you compare with Oshiomhole whose real money was stolen, o boy stop embarrassing yourself

Oga. What is the definition of Money. It is a legal tender, either Cash or digital.
Did you even go to school? Must money be in cash?
Bitcoin is a legal tender just like ur Naira.

Go and learn and stone living in the stone age.

Dtruthspeaker:
Is bit coin real? No
Fela:
When someone give hin real salary to buy unreal money, abeg wetin hin dey find? Na nothing he dey find, na nothing hin go get e ooo..

Then you would Kon dey cry like this guy ooo
https://www.nairaland.com/3620519/beware-bitcoin-fraudster#53573291

Bitcoin is real just like your salary sent to your bank account when you see alert. You can covert it to cash just like I can convert my Bitcoin to cash also.
I can also relate examples of people whose money have been illegally withdrawn from their bank accounts. Does that mean the money in their bank accounts is not real?

Oshiomole was crying some days ago about how his money was illegally withdrawn. Does that make all of us stop using banking system and start stacking our cash at home.

MAKE IT MAKE SENSE PLEASE.

MaxInDHouse:
Guy i didn't quote you first rather you're the person who mentioned me so if you are not mature and polite enough for the discussion no one is forcing the decision that elders of the church of Christ made on you it's either you are in or out.
So answer the questions if you are sure of what you are saying now!🙂

What was the basis of our discussion in the first place? Gambling.
Why deflect the discussion?

MaxInDHouse:
• Were the writers of New Testament like Matthew and the rest Jews too?
• If so why did their own people reject the books written by their fellow Jews?
• When Paul said "all scriptures is inspired of God" {2Timothy 3:16} did the Jews as a nation agreed?
• Why did they disagree with such statement?

Deflecting the issue on the table as usual.
Why am I surprised? You can't justify from the scriptures that Gambling is a sin. Why beating about the bush as to Mathew being Jew and the Jews rejecting Jesus. Should I believe in Ifa because I am Yoruba and Ifa is a Yoruba religion? Oga, stop all these childish rigmarole.

MaxInDHouse:
The Christian scriptures are 27 books written by Jesus' disciples (friends) Jews till today don't believe these books because they don't see any correlation between the books written by Jesus' friends and books written by their ancient prophets which consists of 39 books.

So the Christian scriptures are from Matthew ~ Revelation known as the New Testament while ancient Jewish writings from Genesis ~ Malachi is known as the Old Testament.

In the first century majority of Jews didn't believe Jesus or his disciples because what they are preaching or teaching can't be easily established in their Old (ancient) scriptures!


You are wrong Sir.
Till today the Jews as in 99% don't accept Jesus of Nazareth as a prophet of their God in fact they refer to him as an impostor! Matthew 27:63

When I say you don't understand scriptures or what people explain to you, you will take I am insulting you and you just showed proof of that.
So, when Paul said in Timothy that No scriptures is written by the will of man but holy men wrote as they were inspired by God. Was Paul talking about Matthew to Revelation then, when he said that? The clear answer is No because they were none existent at the time.
That was why I was so so clear when I said the New testament is the last amendment of the scriptures. The scriptures is from Genesis to Revelation while the New testament Matthew to Revelation is the guiding principle for Gentile Believers which we are part of. The Jews may decide to stick to their old covenant which is not also wrong because it is their cultural instruction. Whether they accept Jesus or not is their individual choice no collective. At least we have nations that are no Jews that also did not accept Jesus, so it is not a matter of being Jew or not, it is a personal choice.

Now from this rule books of believer (New Testament), there is no single place where it was stated that Gambling is a sin. Show me where it is stated clearly unless you believe that the scriptures is not good enough and human can amend them now like you are trying so hard to do now.

Dtruthspeaker:
Did I not say at the beginning that you give real money to get unreal things? As I said you don't have any reasonable thing to say

So, if I convert my Bitcoin to money and use it to buy Venza or land or house, it is still not a real thing?
Shey you dey play ni... Oga, u are still live in the 18th century. You fit even tell me say the money wey dey my bank account is unreal and the charges for SMS and electronics transfer charges etc wey banks dey comot na stealing. Your matter don tire Matthias ooo.
You go explain tire.
No Be Juju Be Dat?

Dtruthspeaker:
Stealing is in the bible and I have already said that the forex and stock market is a place of fraud and the scam of money doubling which is all stealing, and you yourself could not deny or counter it, so need wasting your time to repeat yourself

For something to be called stealing, there must be the thief, the owner and the object, commodity or money.
You still never make sense. Can you take me or stock brokers to court for stealing? Or stealing what? Or stealing whose money?
Oga, how do you prove this your ludicrous case in court.
You go explain tire ooo.

No Be Juju Be Dat?

Dtruthspeaker:
Who is LUNO? Did you say anything about Luno before? And stock market/forex have lasted longer than your Luno and they stolen peoples monies.

So you are just running your mouth since you real eyes that you do not have any reasonable thing to say again

I am asking you, is LUNO app where I buy crypto and other equity thief? Answer na.
Why u dey fear.

Dtruthspeaker:
I clearly said that the forex and stock market is a place of fraud and the scam of money doubling which is all stealing, and you yourself could not deny or counter it.

I showed how gambling sits on stealing and is based on stealiing and again you can not counter or deny it.

So, the topic on hand is settled in the absence of any reasonable objection to the points raised.

Show me in the scriptures where it is stated that stock market and forex market is a sin. That if I buy the Federal Government bond, I am a thief or if a buy a stock in dangotesugar using my Meristem app, I have stolen.
Shey you dey make sense for your ears sef. Abi u no even dey learned to understand the equity or bond market?

MAKE IT MAKE SENSE PLEASE. COS YOU NO MAKE SENSE AT ALL. SHOW ME FOR SCRIPTURES WHICH IS OUR GRAND NORM.

MaxInDHouse:
I will tell you several things Jesus taught that's totally different from what is found written in the scriptures before his time.

Jesus said his disciples should love their enemies something that was never found written in the scriptures and all the prophets before then taught them to hate their enemies! Matthew 5:43-44

Jesus told his disciples to store treasure in heaven whereas no scripture or any of the prophets before him said people should store their treasures in heaven! Matthew 6:19-21

Jesus told his disciples that he is going to prepare a place for them in heaven {John 14:2-3} there is nowhere in the scriptures that says people will go to heaven before his time. Psalms 115:16

Jesus told his listeners they must eat his flesh and drink his blood something that no Israelite prophet ever told them neither was such found written in their scriptures about God's loyal servants! John 6:61-65

Jesus said Elijah has come in person of John the baptist {Matthew 11:11-14} but the name WRITTEN in the scriptures was ELIJAH not John! Malachi 4:5


Please quote where any of these things Jesus is saying were written in the Old Testament that's available before Jesus' times.

What are we saying and what is this one saying?
What is the Christian scriptures? Is it not from Genesis to Revelation? Why are you separating the word of Jesus from other ones in the scriptures? Your point is baseless.
I told you that the scriptures is our constitution and the last and final amendment is the New testament. No more addition or subtraction after that. If you or anyone in ur organization decide to add anything, that is your headache.
The bottom line is that GAMBLING was not stated in the SCRIPTURES as a sin. If you have a counter proof where gambling is stated directly as a sin, they show us. If not be silent. Simplito.

Dtruthspeaker:
The word "invest" has already showed you the difference for you are putting in your money to get palm oil, which the owner of the p.oil is selling. In which case your money has simply been turned to palm oil which can turn back to money.

Where is the stealing in it?

Is the stealing and scam not where he does not have the palm oil at all? So it is a case of you gave a thief your money. It's as simple as that

Na just beating about the bush. LUNO has never defrauded me before. So, where is the thief?

MaxInDHouse:
First of all the scriptures was written by men who were inspired by holy spirit as God used them to pen down His words! 2Timothy 3:16; 2Peter 1:21

The understanding of God's word wasn't and will not be given to everyone {Matthew 11:25} that's why few were chosen/selected to TEACH others {Matthew 28:20} while the scriptures is opened for everyone it's understanding is hidden from faithless people {Daniel 12:10} the chosen must add meaning to what is read {Nehemiah 8:8} by the time humble and faithful people throughout the world becomes obedient to what the chosen and the holy spirit concluded upon after they search the scriptures {Act 15:28-29} that's how Christianity works for oneness in thought! John 17:22; 1Corinthans 1:10; 1Peter 3:8

This is why Jesus said it's by their fruits you will know those chosen to lead God's organized people {Matthew 7:15-20} meanwhile only those who becomes obedient to the chosen will have eternal life {Matthew 5:5; Zephaniah 2:2-3} that is why it's important for you to know the fruit first because whether you like it or not you can't see everything in the scriptures before obeying those chosen {1Corinthans 13:7} most times it's what results from their teachings that you need! Matthew 7:16-18

If you are waiting for everything to be written black and white then you wouldn't have accepted Jesus who said so many things that wasn't found written in the scriptures during his days on earth!

All wat you said make no sense because the scriptures is our constitution and it is rigid and cannot be amended. The final amendment (which is the new testament) made by the spirit of God is perfect.
Tell me just one thing that is not in the scriptures that you will like us to add.
You said what just said that is not in the scriptures, it is not true. What the scriptures say is the miracles of Jesus can not fully be captured in writing. All the important things Jesus said and taught and all the important things that his disciples did and taught were captured. The scriptures is in itself complete in necessity.
Let me say this again.
The scriptures has taught us all that we need to do and all that we need to run away from and gambling/forex/stock market is not one of them.
UNLESS YOU WANT TO ADD IT. ABI.

No Be Juju Be Dat?

Dtruthspeaker:
You used the word "buy" where you were acting as an a fraudulent agent. Which is why money does not leave us until we meet the owner of the land.

Same thing as going to pastor of babalawos for healing and all those sheets.

And this one is not gambling but fulliishmess as people have said

In MMM, CBex, nospetco, silvertrust, are the true gambling where you willingly and in your bid to steal another person's money, you willingly gave out your money to money doublers and they ran away with it.

Leaving you to call them thieves and scammers as you pretend to forget that you yourself were trying also to steal by taking what does not belong to you

And that is why people has also said that people who put their monies there are also thieves

So gambling is a meeting of thieves where thief gambler is planning on stealing thief customer's money. And thief customer wanted to steal thief gambler's money

You are just beating about the bush.
So, the summary of what you are saying is that the Forex and Stock market is a sin.
Although that is your view which is wrong.

Now I understand why the scriptures is so perfect by not making things controversial; it took time to least out sins that believers should run away from. And Gambling which includes Sport betting, forex, Stock market and other investments are not there.

The question is: Will you go and fight God or will you do the addition yourself?

Dtruthspeaker:
If you put ₦1k in the your box, do you get ₦100k? No.
So, if you bet putting down ₦1k that Man U. will win, and they win, is it not somebody's (Betnaija's) ₦99k that you have taken if they give you ₦₦100k?

And if they don't give you the money, is it not thief and scam you called them?

https://www.nairaland.com/6520964/bet9ja-scamming-me-win-2210150#101058091

They even returned this man's true money
https://www.nairaland.com/5549266/it-seems-been-scammed-bet9ja#84364166

So, if I invest in Palm oil now and another invest in garri and the price of palm oil rises and the price of garri dropped like it is currently. So, if people are buying my palm oil at a high price and the garri selling is running at a loss, does that mean I am robbing her because people pay me more?

So, If I sell my palm oil to someone who refuses to pay me, and I called the person a scammer, does that mean that the whole business is a scam and sin because a scammer refuses to pay me?

Make it make sense. The Bible is our constitution, point to it or else it is just ur opinion. SIMPLE.

Dtruthspeaker:
The normal gambling is the one someone brings his own money which is built on a plan of taking another person's money,. Is that not stealing as he is trying to take what does not belong to him.

Then he lays his own money as a trap to get any greedy person (another thief) to come and try take his money...

Is forex not like MMM? where you give your real money and they give you unreal nothing on the promise of doubling the nothing (ehen I remember the old story we read of the money doubler) and returning it to you. And a lot of your real money is gone (stolen) just like MMM.

The only difference is that this forex MMM is one organized and maintained by govt. But anytime govt wishes to disappear it, like nitel, their is nothing you can do

What are you saying?
So, if I approach you now that you should come and buy land and I duped you, does that mean that buying of land is bad because someone duped you?
MMM came with bad motive just like CBEX and some people fell victim. But does that mean that the legally approved ones that has helped people's investments are bad because some their are some evil people in the system?
So, if some people go to church and a pastor dupe them, does that mean going to church is now bad because there are some bad eggs?
THINK NOW.

No Be Juju Be Dat?

MaxInDHouse:
If that's how Jesus established his group he won't say to them:

"Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you." Matthew 28:19-20

First century disciples of Christ won't be fully obedient to whatever the Apostles teach them {Act 2:42} Paul won't tell his fellow Christians to be obedient to those taking the lead in the congregations {Hebrews 13:7, 17} God won't use His holy spirit to select TEACHERS among the Christians {Ephesians 4:11} they won't even have the same line of thought {1Corinthans 1:10} just as Jesus prayed fervently them! John 17:22

So if you don't believe in conventional adherence to rules set by those chosen to lead Jesus' disciples you go binding and loosen whatever your mind permits! Matthew 16:19

The OP has asked and i've told him what true Christians believe so you can choose whatever you wish!🙂

So, what is conventional obedience outside the scriptures? What the scriptures says is what I say, what the scriptures is silent about, I am silent likewise. All this additionals are baseless.
So, if your earthly Shepherd says anything outside scriptures, you will follow him blindly because according to use Jesus want us to be obedient to them right?
Gambling is not a sin, so as forex, stock, buying and selling to make profit among others.
The writers of the scriptures are not all daft or forgetful na, I am sure gambling was rampant then, for them to omit it among all other things shows that none of them had anything against it.
If you have anything to the contrary, show the Bible verse where it was SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED.

Dtruthspeaker:
The normal gambling is the one someone brings his own money which is built on a plan of taking another person's money,. Is that not stealing as he is trying to take what does not belong to him.

Then he lays his own money as a trap to get any greedy person (another thief) to come and try take his money...

Is forex not like MMM? where you give your real money and they give you unreal nothing on the promise of doubling the nothing (ehen I remember the old story we read of the money doubler) and returning it to you. And a lot of your real money is gone (stolen) just like MMM.

The only difference is that this forex MMM is one organized and maintained by govt. But anytime govt wishes to disappear it, like nitel, their is nothing you can do

Tell me whose money I am stealing if I placed my bet on Manchester United to win today? Tell me whose money I am stealing. Or was it the money if the person that stake on Crystal palace to win or the person that staked on Draw? How is different from when I put my money in forex for dollar to rise and someone else is on naira to rise, one of them must lose na. Tell me the difference Oga.

Let's stay with what the scriptures says alone.and not opinions. That will save us from all this unnecessary back and forth.

No Be Juju Be Dat?

Dtruthspeaker:
If stealing is condemned then you cannot practice gambling exactly how you cannot practice polygamy without being guilty of adultery. That is the snare God has laid

How is gambling stealing? Can something be called stealing with the person's permission and agreement?
Is FOREX trading also stealing? Since some win and some lose. Is Stock market stealing since some lose and some win? Is business stealing since some run at a loss and some make profit. Do you know the definition of stealing?

ogascomax:
That is what your head can interpret. Everybody will contest for primary and if Obi does not want let him go and contest and fail woefully this time. Atiku will also lost and both of them losing out. How does that favour Obi. Then he would have to wait for another 8 years and how old would he be by then.
When you don't calculate and you allow emotions you will never get things right.

Wetin concern me with Obi?
Atiku cannot be the president at least not in 2027. It is the turn of the south. Simplito.

MaxInDHouse:
If you're into gambling go and ask your pastor and do whatever he or she told you to do. I'm here for the OP and we've both concluded on what he asked!🙂

Here's all i needed from him:

So, it is my pastor that will tell me what to do and not the scriptures? Are you kidding?
The Bible is the rule book. Whatever it condemn is condemned and whatever it is silent about is just you opinion, it doesn't hold water. The Bible never mentioned GAMBLING or FOREX or STOCK market as sin. Who am I to condemn what d Lord has not just based on my view?