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Dtruthspeaker:
Is bit coin real? No
Fela:
When someone give hin real salary to buy unreal money, abeg wetin hin dey find? Na nothing he dey find, na nothing hin go get e ooo..

Then you would Kon dey cry like this guy ooo
https://www.nairaland.com/3620519/beware-bitcoin-fraudster#53573291

Bitcoin is real just like your salary sent to your bank account when you see alert. You can covert it to cash just like I can convert my Bitcoin to cash also.
I can also relate examples of people whose money have been illegally withdrawn from their bank accounts. Does that mean the money in their bank accounts is not real?

Oshiomole was crying some days ago about how his money was illegally withdrawn. Does that make all of us stop using banking system and start stacking our cash at home.

MAKE IT MAKE SENSE PLEASE.

MaxInDHouse:
Guy i didn't quote you first rather you're the person who mentioned me so if you are not mature and polite enough for the discussion no one is forcing the decision that elders of the church of Christ made on you it's either you are in or out.
So answer the questions if you are sure of what you are saying now!🙂

What was the basis of our discussion in the first place? Gambling.
Why deflect the discussion?

MaxInDHouse:
• Were the writers of New Testament like Matthew and the rest Jews too?
• If so why did their own people reject the books written by their fellow Jews?
• When Paul said "all scriptures is inspired of God" {2Timothy 3:16} did the Jews as a nation agreed?
• Why did they disagree with such statement?

Deflecting the issue on the table as usual.
Why am I surprised? You can't justify from the scriptures that Gambling is a sin. Why beating about the bush as to Mathew being Jew and the Jews rejecting Jesus. Should I believe in Ifa because I am Yoruba and Ifa is a Yoruba religion? Oga, stop all these childish rigmarole.

MaxInDHouse:
The Christian scriptures are 27 books written by Jesus' disciples (friends) Jews till today don't believe these books because they don't see any correlation between the books written by Jesus' friends and books written by their ancient prophets which consists of 39 books.

So the Christian scriptures are from Matthew ~ Revelation known as the New Testament while ancient Jewish writings from Genesis ~ Malachi is known as the Old Testament.

In the first century majority of Jews didn't believe Jesus or his disciples because what they are preaching or teaching can't be easily established in their Old (ancient) scriptures!


You are wrong Sir.
Till today the Jews as in 99% don't accept Jesus of Nazareth as a prophet of their God in fact they refer to him as an impostor! Matthew 27:63

When I say you don't understand scriptures or what people explain to you, you will take I am insulting you and you just showed proof of that.
So, when Paul said in Timothy that No scriptures is written by the will of man but holy men wrote as they were inspired by God. Was Paul talking about Matthew to Revelation then, when he said that? The clear answer is No because they were none existent at the time.
That was why I was so so clear when I said the New testament is the last amendment of the scriptures. The scriptures is from Genesis to Revelation while the New testament Matthew to Revelation is the guiding principle for Gentile Believers which we are part of. The Jews may decide to stick to their old covenant which is not also wrong because it is their cultural instruction. Whether they accept Jesus or not is their individual choice no collective. At least we have nations that are no Jews that also did not accept Jesus, so it is not a matter of being Jew or not, it is a personal choice.

Now from this rule books of believer (New Testament), there is no single place where it was stated that Gambling is a sin. Show me where it is stated clearly unless you believe that the scriptures is not good enough and human can amend them now like you are trying so hard to do now.

Dtruthspeaker:
Did I not say at the beginning that you give real money to get unreal things? As I said you don't have any reasonable thing to say

So, if I convert my Bitcoin to money and use it to buy Venza or land or house, it is still not a real thing?
Shey you dey play ni... Oga, u are still live in the 18th century. You fit even tell me say the money wey dey my bank account is unreal and the charges for SMS and electronics transfer charges etc wey banks dey comot na stealing. Your matter don tire Matthias ooo.
You go explain tire.
No Be Juju Be Dat?

Dtruthspeaker:
Stealing is in the bible and I have already said that the forex and stock market is a place of fraud and the scam of money doubling which is all stealing, and you yourself could not deny or counter it, so need wasting your time to repeat yourself

For something to be called stealing, there must be the thief, the owner and the object, commodity or money.
You still never make sense. Can you take me or stock brokers to court for stealing? Or stealing what? Or stealing whose money?
Oga, how do you prove this your ludicrous case in court.
You go explain tire ooo.

No Be Juju Be Dat?

Dtruthspeaker:
Who is LUNO? Did you say anything about Luno before? And stock market/forex have lasted longer than your Luno and they stolen peoples monies.

So you are just running your mouth since you real eyes that you do not have any reasonable thing to say again

I am asking you, is LUNO app where I buy crypto and other equity thief? Answer na.
Why u dey fear.

Dtruthspeaker:
I clearly said that the forex and stock market is a place of fraud and the scam of money doubling which is all stealing, and you yourself could not deny or counter it.

I showed how gambling sits on stealing and is based on stealiing and again you can not counter or deny it.

So, the topic on hand is settled in the absence of any reasonable objection to the points raised.

Show me in the scriptures where it is stated that stock market and forex market is a sin. That if I buy the Federal Government bond, I am a thief or if a buy a stock in dangotesugar using my Meristem app, I have stolen.
Shey you dey make sense for your ears sef. Abi u no even dey learned to understand the equity or bond market?

MAKE IT MAKE SENSE PLEASE. COS YOU NO MAKE SENSE AT ALL. SHOW ME FOR SCRIPTURES WHICH IS OUR GRAND NORM.

MaxInDHouse:
I will tell you several things Jesus taught that's totally different from what is found written in the scriptures before his time.

Jesus said his disciples should love their enemies something that was never found written in the scriptures and all the prophets before then taught them to hate their enemies! Matthew 5:43-44

Jesus told his disciples to store treasure in heaven whereas no scripture or any of the prophets before him said people should store their treasures in heaven! Matthew 6:19-21

Jesus told his disciples that he is going to prepare a place for them in heaven {John 14:2-3} there is nowhere in the scriptures that says people will go to heaven before his time. Psalms 115:16

Jesus told his listeners they must eat his flesh and drink his blood something that no Israelite prophet ever told them neither was such found written in their scriptures about God's loyal servants! John 6:61-65

Jesus said Elijah has come in person of John the baptist {Matthew 11:11-14} but the name WRITTEN in the scriptures was ELIJAH not John! Malachi 4:5


Please quote where any of these things Jesus is saying were written in the Old Testament that's available before Jesus' times.

What are we saying and what is this one saying?
What is the Christian scriptures? Is it not from Genesis to Revelation? Why are you separating the word of Jesus from other ones in the scriptures? Your point is baseless.
I told you that the scriptures is our constitution and the last and final amendment is the New testament. No more addition or subtraction after that. If you or anyone in ur organization decide to add anything, that is your headache.
The bottom line is that GAMBLING was not stated in the SCRIPTURES as a sin. If you have a counter proof where gambling is stated directly as a sin, they show us. If not be silent. Simplito.

Dtruthspeaker:
The word "invest" has already showed you the difference for you are putting in your money to get palm oil, which the owner of the p.oil is selling. In which case your money has simply been turned to palm oil which can turn back to money.

Where is the stealing in it?

Is the stealing and scam not where he does not have the palm oil at all? So it is a case of you gave a thief your money. It's as simple as that

Na just beating about the bush. LUNO has never defrauded me before. So, where is the thief?

MaxInDHouse:
First of all the scriptures was written by men who were inspired by holy spirit as God used them to pen down His words! 2Timothy 3:16; 2Peter 1:21

The understanding of God's word wasn't and will not be given to everyone {Matthew 11:25} that's why few were chosen/selected to TEACH others {Matthew 28:20} while the scriptures is opened for everyone it's understanding is hidden from faithless people {Daniel 12:10} the chosen must add meaning to what is read {Nehemiah 8:8} by the time humble and faithful people throughout the world becomes obedient to what the chosen and the holy spirit concluded upon after they search the scriptures {Act 15:28-29} that's how Christianity works for oneness in thought! John 17:22; 1Corinthans 1:10; 1Peter 3:8

This is why Jesus said it's by their fruits you will know those chosen to lead God's organized people {Matthew 7:15-20} meanwhile only those who becomes obedient to the chosen will have eternal life {Matthew 5:5; Zephaniah 2:2-3} that is why it's important for you to know the fruit first because whether you like it or not you can't see everything in the scriptures before obeying those chosen {1Corinthans 13:7} most times it's what results from their teachings that you need! Matthew 7:16-18

If you are waiting for everything to be written black and white then you wouldn't have accepted Jesus who said so many things that wasn't found written in the scriptures during his days on earth!

All wat you said make no sense because the scriptures is our constitution and it is rigid and cannot be amended. The final amendment (which is the new testament) made by the spirit of God is perfect.
Tell me just one thing that is not in the scriptures that you will like us to add.
You said what just said that is not in the scriptures, it is not true. What the scriptures say is the miracles of Jesus can not fully be captured in writing. All the important things Jesus said and taught and all the important things that his disciples did and taught were captured. The scriptures is in itself complete in necessity.
Let me say this again.
The scriptures has taught us all that we need to do and all that we need to run away from and gambling/forex/stock market is not one of them.
UNLESS YOU WANT TO ADD IT. ABI.

No Be Juju Be Dat?

Dtruthspeaker:
You used the word "buy" where you were acting as an a fraudulent agent. Which is why money does not leave us until we meet the owner of the land.

Same thing as going to pastor of babalawos for healing and all those sheets.

And this one is not gambling but fulliishmess as people have said

In MMM, CBex, nospetco, silvertrust, are the true gambling where you willingly and in your bid to steal another person's money, you willingly gave out your money to money doublers and they ran away with it.

Leaving you to call them thieves and scammers as you pretend to forget that you yourself were trying also to steal by taking what does not belong to you

And that is why people has also said that people who put their monies there are also thieves

So gambling is a meeting of thieves where thief gambler is planning on stealing thief customer's money. And thief customer wanted to steal thief gambler's money

You are just beating about the bush.
So, the summary of what you are saying is that the Forex and Stock market is a sin.
Although that is your view which is wrong.

Now I understand why the scriptures is so perfect by not making things controversial; it took time to least out sins that believers should run away from. And Gambling which includes Sport betting, forex, Stock market and other investments are not there.

The question is: Will you go and fight God or will you do the addition yourself?

Dtruthspeaker:
If you put ₦1k in the your box, do you get ₦100k? No.
So, if you bet putting down ₦1k that Man U. will win, and they win, is it not somebody's (Betnaija's) ₦99k that you have taken if they give you ₦₦100k?

And if they don't give you the money, is it not thief and scam you called them?

https://www.nairaland.com/6520964/bet9ja-scamming-me-win-2210150#101058091

They even returned this man's true money
https://www.nairaland.com/5549266/it-seems-been-scammed-bet9ja#84364166

So, if I invest in Palm oil now and another invest in garri and the price of palm oil rises and the price of garri dropped like it is currently. So, if people are buying my palm oil at a high price and the garri selling is running at a loss, does that mean I am robbing her because people pay me more?

So, If I sell my palm oil to someone who refuses to pay me, and I called the person a scammer, does that mean that the whole business is a scam and sin because a scammer refuses to pay me?

Make it make sense. The Bible is our constitution, point to it or else it is just ur opinion. SIMPLE.

Dtruthspeaker:
The normal gambling is the one someone brings his own money which is built on a plan of taking another person's money,. Is that not stealing as he is trying to take what does not belong to him.

Then he lays his own money as a trap to get any greedy person (another thief) to come and try take his money...

Is forex not like MMM? where you give your real money and they give you unreal nothing on the promise of doubling the nothing (ehen I remember the old story we read of the money doubler) and returning it to you. And a lot of your real money is gone (stolen) just like MMM.

The only difference is that this forex MMM is one organized and maintained by govt. But anytime govt wishes to disappear it, like nitel, their is nothing you can do

What are you saying?
So, if I approach you now that you should come and buy land and I duped you, does that mean that buying of land is bad because someone duped you?
MMM came with bad motive just like CBEX and some people fell victim. But does that mean that the legally approved ones that has helped people's investments are bad because some their are some evil people in the system?
So, if some people go to church and a pastor dupe them, does that mean going to church is now bad because there are some bad eggs?
THINK NOW.

No Be Juju Be Dat?

MaxInDHouse:
If that's how Jesus established his group he won't say to them:

"Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you." Matthew 28:19-20

First century disciples of Christ won't be fully obedient to whatever the Apostles teach them {Act 2:42} Paul won't tell his fellow Christians to be obedient to those taking the lead in the congregations {Hebrews 13:7, 17} God won't use His holy spirit to select TEACHERS among the Christians {Ephesians 4:11} they won't even have the same line of thought {1Corinthans 1:10} just as Jesus prayed fervently them! John 17:22

So if you don't believe in conventional adherence to rules set by those chosen to lead Jesus' disciples you go binding and loosen whatever your mind permits! Matthew 16:19

The OP has asked and i've told him what true Christians believe so you can choose whatever you wish!🙂

So, what is conventional obedience outside the scriptures? What the scriptures says is what I say, what the scriptures is silent about, I am silent likewise. All this additionals are baseless.
So, if your earthly Shepherd says anything outside scriptures, you will follow him blindly because according to use Jesus want us to be obedient to them right?
Gambling is not a sin, so as forex, stock, buying and selling to make profit among others.
The writers of the scriptures are not all daft or forgetful na, I am sure gambling was rampant then, for them to omit it among all other things shows that none of them had anything against it.
If you have anything to the contrary, show the Bible verse where it was SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED.

Dtruthspeaker:
The normal gambling is the one someone brings his own money which is built on a plan of taking another person's money,. Is that not stealing as he is trying to take what does not belong to him.

Then he lays his own money as a trap to get any greedy person (another thief) to come and try take his money...

Is forex not like MMM? where you give your real money and they give you unreal nothing on the promise of doubling the nothing (ehen I remember the old story we read of the money doubler) and returning it to you. And a lot of your real money is gone (stolen) just like MMM.

The only difference is that this forex MMM is one organized and maintained by govt. But anytime govt wishes to disappear it, like nitel, their is nothing you can do

Tell me whose money I am stealing if I placed my bet on Manchester United to win today? Tell me whose money I am stealing. Or was it the money if the person that stake on Crystal palace to win or the person that staked on Draw? How is different from when I put my money in forex for dollar to rise and someone else is on naira to rise, one of them must lose na. Tell me the difference Oga.

Let's stay with what the scriptures says alone.and not opinions. That will save us from all this unnecessary back and forth.

No Be Juju Be Dat?

Dtruthspeaker:
If stealing is condemned then you cannot practice gambling exactly how you cannot practice polygamy without being guilty of adultery. That is the snare God has laid

How is gambling stealing? Can something be called stealing with the person's permission and agreement?
Is FOREX trading also stealing? Since some win and some lose. Is Stock market stealing since some lose and some win? Is business stealing since some run at a loss and some make profit. Do you know the definition of stealing?

ogascomax:
That is what your head can interpret. Everybody will contest for primary and if Obi does not want let him go and contest and fail woefully this time. Atiku will also lost and both of them losing out. How does that favour Obi. Then he would have to wait for another 8 years and how old would he be by then.
When you don't calculate and you allow emotions you will never get things right.

Wetin concern me with Obi?
Atiku cannot be the president at least not in 2027. It is the turn of the south. Simplito.

MaxInDHouse:
If you're into gambling go and ask your pastor and do whatever he or she told you to do. I'm here for the OP and we've both concluded on what he asked!🙂

Here's all i needed from him:

So, it is my pastor that will tell me what to do and not the scriptures? Are you kidding?
The Bible is the rule book. Whatever it condemn is condemned and whatever it is silent about is just you opinion, it doesn't hold water. The Bible never mentioned GAMBLING or FOREX or STOCK market as sin. Who am I to condemn what d Lord has not just based on my view?

Maryiah:
Anything not morally right is a sin.

Who judge what is morally right or wrong?
If for instance in Yoruba land, it is morally wrong for a boy to great an elderly while standing, he is expected to prostrate. Is that a moral in the UK or US? Does that make it a sin?
The Bible is our rule book not CULTURAL morality because morality depends on what culture says it is. The Bible never mentioned GAMBLING as a sin, neither did it mention Forex trading or Stock buying. If you can any a sin, na your own be that. God will judge is us by the scriptures not by opinions.

mariovito:
Technically, yes and no

Fortune telling is not permitted which gambling sort of falla under

But in the bible, casting lots was done which is also a form of gambling

What about Forex trading? How do you know Naira will fall and Dollar will rise? Is that not prediction? What about Stock market? How do you know which stock to buy and hold? Is that not prediction? Why didn't the Bible mention gambling as a sin when it was listing other sins? Abi gambling no dey that time? Why was it omitted in diverse verses of scriptures where others were mentioned?
Thanks

tesuto1:
Just wanna know,is there a difference between sport gambling and forex trading,since both are games of eventuality

I also asked the question bro. Oversabi people never answer me ooo.

Dtruthspeaker:
It is known that Banks is in the sin of stealing of which they were the ones who caused armed robberies to be done and insecurity so that people were forced bring their monies to them. That was why in those days people even said that they would not allow their children to be bankers. Churches then used to reject their "support".

But unfortunately they are protected by the same bandits called govt.

However, gambling is based on stealiing and unlawful gain that is why it is a sin

Quote just ONE place or verse where the Bible mentioned "GAMBLING" specifically as a SIN. Abi was there no gambling in the scriptural days? Why was it not mentioned specifically like other sins in Romans 1 and Galatians 5 or Revelations 20? Oya answer.

No Be Juju Be Dat?

MaxInDHouse:
Sorry the Bible God instructed Adam the first man to go into agriculture {Genesis 2:15} so it's the work God gave humans not some goddess!🙂

So, when the apostles also casted lots to choose Matthias or when the High priest casts lot to chose the animal to sacrifice and the one to send to the wilderness as scapegoat, that is what? Explain to me the essence of casting lots in the Bible please and how it is different from gambling.

PLEASE, ALSO TELL NE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GAMBLING AND FOREX OR STOCK MARKET. OYA

NO BE JUJU BE DAT?

Osiris12:
how many times will I have to say that the present Kwara governor has Fulani blood in him. Get your facts right or have an eternal rest

Oya explain to us oooo.
U can even tell us that Davido is not Yoruba but Igbo.
Oya tell us.
No Be Juju Be Dat?

AMINDA:
No. The key takeaway is clear. Obi should make up his mind. He can't continue to parade himself as a member of the coalition while undermining it. No one insists that he must be a part of the coalition. Obi has already lost some ground in the SS, SW and the NC and he has lost those grounds to Tinubu. There may even be voter apathy in the SE if he insists and runs solo. On the other hand, if Tinubu has lost any ground in the North, he has lost it to Atiku. The ADC will conduct a primary. That is non-negotiable and it's ticket will not be zoned. Obi should do what's in his best interest. I personally want him to run solo. It will create the perfect scenario for the election to go into a run-off because Tinubu will not get the highest votes on the first ballot.

Tell me one ground Atiku has won or TINUBU has lost. Una don start this propaganda again.
Una wan use Obi popularity take package Atiku. E no fit work. It is still the turn of the south. Obi will not allow the north to have the turn of the south. He will either make a choice to run as president or support a southern president. Simplito.

No Be Juju Be Dat?

blackgold2018:
exactly.. they re indirectly telling him they only want his popularity in ADC to support Atiku.

Abi na...Dem wan use and dump am.

No Be Juju Be Dat?

The Key thing I could deduce from what Bolaji Abdulahi said is: Obi is needed to build the party, but Atiku is the potential Candidate. So Obi should jettison zoning and embrace building the party for Atiku to run.
Does that make any sense?

No Be Juju Be Dat?

Great100000:
Who would be the manager of this team.

E pain me. I felt like crying because you did not add "Why Always Me?"- BALOTELI.
WHY?

No Be Juju Be Dat?

Nadingo:
Inuwa Yahaya of Gombe is a full blooded Hausa man.

Leave the guy alone make him dey talk wetin him no know.
Him just assigned Fulani to everywhere and everybody. No single Hausa.

Iceberg3:
The present Fulani Emir of Ilorin also has a Yoruba name

Tell us the Yoruba name Oga. Oya, we are waiting. Abi in name na Kayode ba?

Osiris12:
how many times will I have to say that the present Kwara governor has Fulani blood in him. Get your facts right or have an eternal rest

What is the name of his father?
Once you can answer that then answer:
What is the lineage YORUBA or HAUSA. That is how you do findings Oga. Don't come here and pass wrong information or analysis. Are you from Kwara? Are you Yoruba? Are you Fulani?
Analysing what you yourself no sabi.

No Be Juju Be Dat?