₦airaland Forum

Saltinny:
Pastor is a Yoruba, stop lying

That is Benin Republic name

No

Mathain19:
The results of a broken home are not always suffered by both parties,
The children suffer most, leading them astray in life.,.
Divorce might seems easy but check affected childrens lives!!!

You are 100% right

Kobojunkie:
Now of course there is nothing adulterous about surrogacy ,but I wanted to understand this difference you refer to in your own words.

Artificial insemination is when a male sperm is inserted into a female womb without natural way of using penis. This is done mostly when a man cannot impregnate a woman naturally, for example when the husband is sterile and sperm from a donor is used to fertilise the wife's egg or the husband is not around.

Surrogacy is when a woman cannot carry a pregnancy successfully as a result of many reasons, and another person(surrogate mum) is needed to help carry the pregnancy. IVF is mostly used in surrogacy.

In IVF the egg of the wife is fertilised with the husband sperm in the laboratory and fertilised egg is incubated for weeks in an incubator till it becomes embryo, and the embryo is planted into the surrogate mum womb.

Janosky:
If a married couple recruits another woman to be artificially inseminated to carry the pregnancy for them,, the Bible principle of adultery has been violated.

Please read more on IVF and artificial insemination, and know the difference before you come and continue the argument. You are confusing artificial insemination with IVF. IVF is what is used in surrogacy.

Dtruthspeaker:
Please stop raising stupid arguments and off point issues. Common sense is,known all over the world, which is why it is called "common sense"

And you did not ask any question for Barreness is a Curse from God.

And more so, did you not hear that The Lord never changes and that you still see Him condemn fornication and adultery in the new testament? Stop deceiving yourself. The Lord changeth not!

I thought you are reasonable that is why I was indulging in conversation with you. Now that you have proven that you are not by insulting me.

I won't reply you again, and the questionI asked you when you said barrenness is as a result of cause from God is there are so many servants of God that are childless, that are they caused by the God the serve too.

Dtruthspeaker:
Common sense is,common sense because we all have it. Your desire not to use it because it prevents, what you want does not mean that you do not have it nor that you cannot identify it when it is giving you.

And wrong, Saul's daughter was not the first to be barren. God had Cursed long before that and if you had seen it, then you would know that anytime you see barreness, you see God's Curse in action.

Nothing like common sense, many philosophers have debunked it.

@the bolded may be you want to quote Leviticus 20:20-21 which God pronounced on people that sleep with their relatives.

If that is what you want to cite, I will now ask you to reason it logically why fathers are impregnating their daughters today, uncles impregnating their nieces while great men of God are childless?

You have not answered my question, and I will take it as you know there are men God that are childless. Does it means that God blessed the sinners and caused the faithful servants if you reason it logically you will realise that infertility is a medical condition that can be caused by many factors.

And more so, we are in the dispensation of grace and not dispensation of law.

Dtruthspeaker:
"i pointed it out in my first response when I said
And thinking. more about it, since the seed is in her womb, therefore, she becomes the mother and therefore, she would be guilty of none sexual adultery"

And sorry Barreness is a sure sign that God has a cursed a person

What you claim you pointed out does not make any sense to me, just explain to you that the principle of common sense is nonsense, because what is common to your sense might not be common to me.

@ the bolded, if I ask you to proof it biblically you will cite Saul daughters case. Now I can give you names of respected men of God from different denominations I mean bible believing churches that are childless. Infact one of them was the General overseer of a church. Logically speaking does it mean these great men of God were caused by the God they serve?

Dtruthspeaker:
Common sense does not tell you that this is also the same case of stealing when you steal a lexus in your mind? or killing a person in your heart?

Did you expect Jesus would repeat this for every sin on the earth?

Barreness is a curse from God, so woe shall be upon anyone who tries to bless who God has Cursed.

The common sense you quoted gave you out, because common sense has to do with logic, and logic is an act of thinking right. With what you said above, logically how does surrogacy relates lust.

Now because of the bolded I see no reason to argue with you again.

Dtruthspeaker:
The bold is a fallacious argument. Sin does not being sin because a church accommodates it, which renders it an accomplice.

Sin transverses through natural process and God gave us an example of a none sexual sin in Mathew 5:28 a married person is guilty of adultery even though he has not yet physically had sex with his target subject.

I knew you will quote the sermon on the mountain that is why I stated that you should give example where bible states that surrogacy is a sin.

What you quoted has to do with lust that is, when you look at a woman and start admiring her to the extent of thinking about sleeping with her. Now tell me how that relates to surrogacy.

The reason why those people opt for surrogacy is because there is no hope that the wife could give birth naturally, and they need someone to help carry their baby. Anybody could do it even the husband's distance relatives. It does not involve sex, but we read meaning to everything in this part of the world.

I believe helping people like that is what we call Christianity.

As regards the church I mentioned, I just cite them to Burress my point. If you think you know more than them or you are more holier than them. That is your own opinion.

Dtruthspeaker:
The bold.
If she is born again, then she cannot commit adultery.

And thinking. more about it, since the seed is in her womb, therefore, she becomes the mother and therefore, she would be guiltyof of not sexualt adultery

Like I said before, she does not have to sleep with anybody, it is just an embryo that will be implanted into her womb that will incubate the baby.

There is a church in Ibadan, the church was founded in mid 90's if could remember very well. The church now has one of the best medical facilities in Nigeria. The name of the church is Vine branch.

My younger sister worked in the hospital as registered nurse and she told me specifically that they offer surrogacy services to people. She narrated how many people they put laughter into their mouth as a result of the services. I believe if surrogacy is a sin they wouldn't have allowed it.

Non sexual sin, In terms of surrogacy is strange to me please prove it with bible reference.

Solsix:
Keep twisting the Bible to suite, thats my generation do

Sorry I don't get your point

Janosky:
Oga,read your Bible and understand it.
Matthew 19:3-9.
Nah Abraham you dey follow?
Matthew 19;3-9,Abi nah Jesus Christ?

Also surrogacy is different from artificial insemination

Janosky:
Oga,read your Bible and understand it.
Matthew 19:3-9.
Nah Abraham you dey follow?
Matthew 19;3-9,Abi nah Jesus Christ?

The scripture you quoted above does not correlate with the issue of surrogacy, it talks about divorce. I just gave you the more suitable case study, and you claim that it has to do with Abraham . 2 Timothy 3:16 -17 says all scriptures are written according to the inspiration of God, is Genesis no longer part of the scriptures?

I've modified my reply above you can read it.

Janosky:
Surrogacy (or Artificial insemination with another woman not your spouse) amounts to adultery.
That other woman is not your marriage mate., therefore you have broken the marriage bond.

Surrogacy is the same thing as your wife agreeing that you impregnate another woman to bear you children.
The Bible principle still applies to this context.

You don't need to sleep with the woman, you can do IVF, the egg of the woman with fertility issue and the male semen can be fertilised outside the womb replanted back into the surrogate mom womb after weeks of fertilisation.

The reason why some may decide to have sex with surrogate mum is to avoid legal issue, because some surrogate mum may bond with the pregnancy and not want to release the baby, but if the man had intercourse with the lady he can easily claim back his child.

When Sarah gave her Abraham her slave to bear child for him, did God count it as adultery or fornication.

On the issue of the couple declining to accept the baby. That scenario is very rare, the couple with surrogate mum usually enter into very legal contract that always involve lawyers. It will be very hard for either party to breach the agreement.

More so, the couple usually spend a lot of money, I am sure they may be offering the OP 20million naira and in most cases they pay at least 50% upfront, how will they now change their mind.

What the Pastor could have done is to guide her not to have sex with the husband but go for IVF instead.

Daejumong:
Hi Uncle Daejumong, I am an unemployed 22yr old single parent who just gave my life to Christ.
I got a lucrative offer to help a rich childless couple carry their baby! My Pastor thinks it’s a SIN! I really need the money!

Did you ask him where it is written in the Bible that surrogacy is a sin? Since when doing people favour and getting compensation in return becomes a sin?
My advice to you is this learn not to rely on your pastors for advice, they are humans too and some of them are not exposed, you might be the first person to introduce the term surrogacy to him.

Noblechykk:
Well, we all look but see differently. Those ones you made reference to are actually better than him because they don't hide their feelings as stupid as it may seem. But this one, hypocrisy is his surname which is worse. Maybe you have not studied him enough

I get what you are saying, but you know this is a forum of thousands of people, we cannot all have the same view on things. If you have 20 lawyers in a place and give them a case to solve they will all have different opinion.

His view might be different from others especially me, may be as a result of his political affiliation with a political party, But he expresses it without insulting others. That is what makes us human.

The reason why the forum is interesting is because we have different views about issues.

helinues:
Bro you see one tricky thing about the media, one advert can bring you down. Hamzàt didn't just advertise that event he was part of the organizers behind the door.

If a fake company run ad in your media and people fell for it, your media would be held responsible

You can't just go to any media and say you want to advertise

Although you are right to some extent, but Hamzat and the police don't share your view, He said they just used his media house for publicity, and the police said he was just a media partner. That is why he was not arrested.

They only arrested The Ex queen, The school principal and the some other staff of the school.

It is quite unfortunate to see what faulty policies has reduced Nigeria to. The level of hunger in this nation is alarming, and I believe that is the remote cause of stampede we are seeing recently.

Noblechykk:
You go explain tire...na breathing robot you dey follow talk so

The reason I am engaging him is that I have studied him, he doesn't insult people that opinion do not align with his own, which shows that he is cool headed and has strong IQ, He is far better than many nairalanders that cannot express their opinion without insults and name calling

helinues:
Another excuse on his behalf. Was he part of the event or not?

He was not, and mind you I'm not defending him, he would do worse more than people criticising him if they didn't use his media house for publicity. It just the woman that I feel for, that woman will find it difficult to find her feet again.

I suggest we allow the police investigate the incident since the IGP has taken over the case.

helinues:
Which excuse are you giving on their behalf? Hamzàt precisely gained some popularity in the last 2-3 years, Muyideen's case was one of the catalyst.

He should have have seen the over crowding coming. He has been getting carried away with the popularity as that showed on how he handled Muyideen and Agbala Gabriel's case

You need to get your facts right, Hamzat is not an organiser they just used his media house for publicity. He has his own event that is going on at his radio station, he sells his ticket @ 3k to control the crowd.

helinues:
Even if they didn't charge, people donated money for the event

They didn't spend much on securing the venue

You need to do proper finding before you start blaming the organizers of the program. The event was slated to start in the day, but people slept over and the rush began around 5am when people outside saw that the crowd was already more than 5000 they invited.

The stampede occurred between 6a and 7am when the organizers were still on their beds. They invited Policemen, but policemen were supposed to be at the venue by 8am, since the event was supposed to start by 10am.

I keep saying it, although the tragedy is painful but we should not discourage people that are trying to help the masses at this trying time. There are many people who have billions but not willing to help others.

helinues:
Greediness bro, they charged for that event, had expectations of making money out of it without considering the control of the crowd

That's criminal thoughts

They didn't charge for the event, and not charging was the only mistake they.made. If they had sold ticket the turnout wouldn't have led to stamped

galantjoe:
Your explanation is noted but I didn't agree with you where you said "she will be encouraged and appreciated"
My question is that she will be appreciated for causing deaths of 35 children. This is one of problems of this country - inability of people that erred to accept responsibility and blame.

Despite and irrespective of her effort, the death incident was uncalled for and it means that no adequate plan was made to address this.

Let me ask,those school security men, deployed to close the gate, were they not aware or they re still sleeping at 7am when the stampede occured.

Nawaooo

you still don't get my point, the rush started as early as 5am and stamped occurred between 6 and 7am. The organizers couldn't have envisaged that people will go as far as sleeping over at the venue in order to get early entry.
Like you rightly said that people should take responsibility for their mistakes, I believe not only the organizers should be blamed, but the people too especially some parents that were throwing their children over the fence because of gifts.

galantjoe:
She deserves death. Her fainting is a stage plan. Investigation must continue

I strongly disagree with the notion that she deserves the death sentence. In fact, she organized a charitable event to help the needy, which is commendable. The event was scheduled to start at 10 am if get it right, and 5,000 children were invited. However, the event drew a larger crowd than expected, with people arriving from neighboring states and some even sleeping at the entrance. By 5 am, the area outside was packed, and despite the school gate being locked and school security personnel being present, the crowd forced their way in. Unfortunately, a stampede occurred around 7 am, When the organizers were still sleeping and the invited police personnel were suppose to report for duty at 8 am.

In my opinion, she does not deserve the death sentence. Instead, we should be encouraging and appreciating her efforts to help those in need. This country is facing hard times, and people are struggling to survive. Our politicians, whom we often praise, are heartless and unhelpful. Let us not discourage those who still have empathy and are willing to help others during these challenging times."

Melagros:
COMRADES, if this tax wahala finally comes to a compromise, the most benefiting states will be
Beyelsa
Rivers
Lagos
Delta
Akwa Ibom
Kano, 'somehow'
FCT

Comrade remove Kano from the list. People will not pay VAT on basic needs such as food, and even baby products. Only luxury products like alcoholic drinks and gambling will people pay VAT on, and last time I checked Kano Hisbah were going around destroying alcoholic drinks and clamping down on betting businesses. Now tell me how will they benefit?
That is why they are crying forgetting the saying" who must come with equity must come with clean hands" .
They don't want their citizens to drink alcohol but want to share money gotten by other states from consuming alcohol is that not haram?

Civetcat:
“Our food products are the cheapest around the neighbourhood,” Senator Kyari declared.

So produce more . This is exactly what the policy is supposed to do. More exports means more forex and the inability of farmers from neighbouring to compete on price . Kick this one out already

Do you think the buyers are stupid? Since USD is not our official currency, they will convert their currency to the devalued naira and have more money to buy the produce.

komoland:
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Ok I'm also in Ibadan, I will contact you soon.

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Haemosuu:
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Where are you based in ibadan

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efelicity:
I live with my mother, a single mother, since I lost my dad over a year ago and we haven't been having issues until recently

I don't want to assume your mum had been dating that man before your dad passed on. Anyway you can do the following:

1. Call respected members of your dad's family to come and talk to your mum. You are still young, it will be very dangerous for you to engage yourself in that kind of battle,

2. If the first option does not work, go to your state ministry of Justice, ask for AG&PT (Anthony General and Public Trustee)department. Or ask for the department that manages the properties of those that died intestate(without writing their will) explain your situation to them.

They will call your mum and her lover to order. They may even take possession of your late dad's property, manage it for you and use the money they realise in taking care of you, your mum. Siblings, your grandparent if your dad left any.

They will later return the property to you and siblings when you are matured enough.

You are not paying a dime