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Religion / Re: Help: Which Authority? The Bible Or The Catholic Church by italo3: 8:27am On Nov 10, 2015
Speechless3:
Compiled, yes but canonised? explain sir.

To formally declare that the bible (the chosen books) is the inspired word of God.

Of course the church is the soul custodian of truth that was authored by God himself. I have always known this church to be the roman catholic church until i started reading the epistles few days ago. The churches depicted do not look like our catholic church to be sincere but maybe am reading them wrongly, dont know. Already very worried. Are there books you think i should read instead of the bible? pls share.

Thank u

What in the Epistles is unlike our Catholic Church?

I think I'll recommend some websites that make a defense for the Catholic faith with scriptures and the writings of the early Church Fathers, who were the first successors and associates of the apostles.

https://www.biblechristiansociety.com/home.php (read the apologetics section)

http://www.johnsalza.com/p/scripturefathers.html?m=1 (you'd have to scroll down to see links to different topics)

If you have any concern or challenge at all, please let me know.

Then I have some questions for you to ponder:

If the Catholic Church is not the true Church of Jesus Christ, then which Church is it?

If the Catholic Church is a false Church, then how can we trust the Epistles/Bible it compiled to be true?
Religion / Re: Does Anyone Know Who And How The Bible Was Compiled by italo3: 8:05am On Nov 10, 2015
CoolUsername:
I'm sure if you check a non-catholic source then you'll get an unbiased answer.

You mean an anti-Catholic source?

Bring it on and let us test the veracity of its 'unbiased' answer.
Religion / Re: Does Anyone Know Who And How The Bible Was Compiled by italo3: 6:49am On Nov 09, 2015
JustTara,

The reason the Protestant "bible" has less books is that Martin Luther removed 7 books that disprove his heresies. He also considered removing the Book of James because it disproves his "Faith alone" false teaching. He called it "Epistle of straw."
Religion / Re: Does Anyone Know Who And How The Bible Was Compiled by italo3: 6:40am On Nov 09, 2015
JustTara:
The Holy Bible is considered by many the infallible word of God. It was not just written by man, but rather written by God through man. This book is the cornerstone to the Christian and Judaic religions, without this book, they have nothing to hold their beliefs to. With these two things in mind, one would think that it would have to be one heck of a book. Not only 100% correct in every manner, but chock full of wonderful teachings, pleasant miracles by the all loving God, but scientifically tested and proven as a source of answers to the unknown mysteries of our earth and universe as well.

Here's something interesting...

Constantine the Great called the First Council of Nicaea, composed of 300 religious leaders. Three centuries after Jesus lived, this council was given the task of separating divinely inspired writings from those of questionable origin.                       

The actual compilation of the Bible was an incredibly complicated project that involved churchmen of many varying beliefs, in an atmosphere of dissension, jealousy,
intolerance, persecution and bigotry. At this time, the question of the divinity of Jesus had split the church into two factions. Constantine
offered to make the little-known Christian sect the official state religion if the Christians would settle their differences. Apparently, he
didn't particularly care what they believed in as long as they agreed
upon a belief. By compiling a book of sacred writings, Constantine
thought that the book would give authority to the new church.

Actually, legend has it that at the Council of Nicea, Constantine was unsure of what else to include as a holy scripture (which later the batch became the Bible). He threw the batch that he was to choose from onto a table. Those that remained on the table were in, those that fell off were out.

There have been many different theories set forth over the history of the church as to exactly how God’s hand was involved in this selection process. Skeptics have pointed out that over three thousand books were candidates for inclusion in the New
Testament canon alone, and only a handful (twenty-some books) were selected. Doesn’t that raise some serious questions? Isn’t it possible that certain books that are in the Bible should not be there and others that were excluded by human
evaluation and human judgment should have been included? We need to keep in mind, however, that
of those not included in the last analysis, there were at the most three or four that were given serious consideration. So to speak in terms of two or three thousand being boiled down to twenty-seven or something like that is a distortion of
historical reality.

Till date, the number of books in the Catholic bible are still different from the number of books in the Bible of the protestants/ Pentecostals. All for one God?
Please, does anybody have an accurate idea of how the Bible was compiled and by whom?


Sweetheart, what you wrote about Constantine and his involvement in the Canon of Scripture is false.

It is simple. The Bible was compiled and canonized by the Catholic Church.

The Jews put together the old testament and The Catholic Church put together the new testament and it took several centuries to do so. It was not until the Council of Carthage 397 years after Jesus death and subsequent approval by Pope Innocent I, that a New Testament was put together. Prior to that date, hundreds of gospels and “apostolic” writings were floating around in many different languages, some not so good or some even controverted. It was the Catholic Magisterium, guided by the Holy Spirit, which separated the good writings from the bad and selected the 27 books that are now found in the New Testament bible today.

So far as we know, Jesus himself never wrote a word (except on sand). Nor did he command the Apostles to write anything. The Catholic Church operated for many years by word of mouth and Sacred Traditions that Jesus and the disciples established and handed down and guided by the Holy Spirit to insure it would not be changed. In much later years, some of the early Apostles (and non-Apostles) composed the twenty-seven books, which were finally selected almost 400 years later and that now comprise the New Testament that is used today by all Christians.

https://discovercatholic./11-2/where-did-we-get-the-bible/
Religion / Re: Help: Which Authority? The Bible Or The Catholic Church by italo3: 6:27am On Nov 09, 2015
Speechless3:
Okay i need your help. Was born by catholic parents and by default, amma catholic too, but what i dont understand is my birth church adopts two authorities. Its own and the bible. And to be sincere, its hard ta admit it, the bible is seen as a sub-authority...

Well not like i even read the bible ummm but i have this feeling something is nat in place.

Can someone figure this out.

I still love my church but...

Cc: Italo, Rich4God, Olaadegbu, Malvisguy and others...


Do you know that the bible was compiled and canonized by the Church in 382Ad?

Do you know that even the Bible says the church is the pillar and foundation of truth?
Religion / Re: I'm A Pentecostal, I Attended A Catholic Church For The First Time And... by italo3: 6:11am On Nov 09, 2015
xcelentattitude:

Bro, you call the ark of God images.

Read Ex25:10-22, then tell me if the Ark, mercy seat and Cherubim are real Ark, mercy seat and Cherubim...or the are images of real ones.

Thank you.
Religion / Re: Should Catholic Tradition Have Equal Or Greater Authority Than The Bible? by italo3: 10:09am On Oct 30, 2015
waldigit:


As I have said earlier we have many version of that history since non of them did not substantiate their fact with facts I am not in position to hold brief for them. Yet I know you are not privy to the version that you defend too since you are merely relying on written account . I then wonder what made you so sure this account is foolproof and authentic were you a first hand witness of this event. As for me that's why I stay with post erori evaluations to save myself from falacies

In other words, you don't know who compiled your bible and when. Yes or no?

This is the third time I'm asking and you're still beating around the bush like a typical dubious protestant/pentecostal.
Education / Re: Ayade Orders Suspension Of Prayers In Schools by italo3: 10:02am On Oct 30, 2015
Mynd44:

Separation of state and church.

Nigeria always forget that not everyone is.Christian/Muslim and forcing people to pray alongside other faiths is a violation of their rights and also a form of intolerance

You have to be dishonest to justify this. Who forced who?

Besides, you are against forcing people to pray but you are in support of forcing people not to pray.

Hypocrisy!
Religion / Re: I'm A Pentecostal, I Attended A Catholic Church For The First Time And... by italo3: 9:56am On Oct 30, 2015
dolphinheart:


Kk, give us examples of images that the isrealites bowed to, And let's see if those images are not made by direct instructions from god. Do not make for yourself , that was the instruction.

So the Israelites bowed to images with God's approval?

So as long as the Bible shows where God commanded an image to be made, it can be bowed to?
Religion / Re: Should Catholic Tradition Have Equal Or Greater Authority Than The Bible? by italo3: 6:06am On Oct 30, 2015
waldigit:


We ve heard many versions of that history as well yet the partucular version that has stood the test of time proved to us that the compilation was done by men who were moved by Holy Spirit

*abracadabra has started

Who are these "men" and when did they do this compilation?

*continue your abracadabra

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Religion / Re: My Argument With A Catholic On The Deity Of Mary by italo3: 11:53am On Oct 29, 2015
If I considered Mary my God, would I even have they nerve to deny her?

Some Protestants and this habit of not using their brains.

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Religion / Re: I'm A Pentecostal, I Attended A Catholic Church For The First Time And... by italo3: 10:44am On Oct 29, 2015
chigozie1010:
Joshua 7:6

Then Joshua tore his clothes, and fell to the earth on his face before the ARK of the Lord until evening, he and the ELDERS of Israel; and they put dust on their heads.


This shows a sign of mourning, besides that, they were not bowing down to any image but to the ARK of the Lord.

The ark was an image of a house that contained images of angels...and God approved prostration before it.

Why can't Catholics do the same?

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Religion / Re: Should Catholic Tradition Have Equal Or Greater Authority Than The Bible? by italo3: 10:40am On Oct 29, 2015
waldigit:


I disagree with that sir. May be the catholic version of it and not the contemporary one that is acceptable by all, persecuted by many, survived and passed the test of time and commercially available to all,

Who compiled the bible that you use...and when was it compiled?

*oya start abracadabra
Religion / Re: A Thread For Catholics by italo3: 10:35am On Oct 29, 2015
May God bless all batch B corpers and make them prosper. May he grant them the grace to draw close to him. Amen.

Good morning people.
Religion / Re: Harvard Study Suggests Prayer Ineffective In Reducing Post-Surgery Complications by italo3: 4:19pm On Oct 28, 2015
EnlightenedSoul:


I don't believe anything.

However amusing the thought, it was indeed a strictly observed double-blind experiment. These people actually funded and conducted a large, cross-institutional experiment on the benefits of prayer, fully expecting to find that it improves patient health, only to 'unearth' a widely observable truth any experienced, unbiased healthcare professional could've saved them the trouble of accidentally concluding.

It's worth discussing, at least. And criticism is welcome.

Then let's discuss it.

Where you there with them?

Or they told you the bold and you believed them?
Religion / Re: Harvard Study Suggests Prayer Ineffective In Reducing Post-Surgery Complications by italo3: 3:19pm On Oct 28, 2015
EnlightenedSoul:


It was a proper double-blind experiment. I'm not at all surprised by the findings, if thats what you mean.

You didn't answer my question.

Do you believe the result 100%?

And do you believe that it was actually a double-blind experiment 100%?

Yes or no.
Religion / Re: Can You Be A Scientist And Still Have Religious Faith? by italo3: 3:14pm On Oct 28, 2015
RobinHez:

Ok.
So what's ur point exactly? sad

That religious faith is not in conflict with science.

Christianity is not in conflict with science.

It is a lack of understanding of both that can make you even question it.

The same lack of understanding that makes you say you're a Christian but Pope Francis is not a Christian...

Yet you base your faith on the Bible that was compiled and canonized by the Catholic Church under Pope Damasus in 382.
Religion / Re: Can You Be A Scientist And Still Have Religious Faith? by italo3: 2:40pm On Oct 28, 2015
RobinHez:

Sorry...
Catholicism aint Christianity ..to me..embarassed

Let us imagine that it isn't for one moment.

Read your topic and tell me again that Catholic Priests like Fr Georges Lemaitre don't have "religious faith."
Religion / Re: Can You Be A Scientist And Still Have Religious Faith? by italo3: 2:33pm On Oct 28, 2015
RobinHez:
Cc Lalasticlala, seun sad

Can you be more religious than a Catholic Priest like Fr Georges Lemaitre who was the first scientist to propound the big bang theory?
Religion / Re: Harvard Study Suggests Prayer Ineffective In Reducing Post-Surgery Complications by italo3: 2:26pm On Oct 28, 2015
@EnlightenedSoul,

Do you believe the so-called 'study' and it's purported result 100%?
Religion / Re: Christians,why Do You Always Ignore This Bible Verse by italo3: 8:49am On Oct 24, 2015
ifeness:


According which of the thousands of gods in mythology? There has never ever been evidence such a god exist. Oh I think you meant Obatala,or zeus,Oriris? which one?

How can a god who doesn't exist perform a personal love on me? Perhaps you meant alien DNA program on me?

I am not imposing,your catholic cult have been trying to impose their belief on us all on the planet. Free thinkers are the victims of your dangerous faith here.

There goes the senselessness in bold.

The same person who clearly mentioned the God of the Bible in his OP...suddenly doesn't know which God is being discussed.

That's why I prefer discussing with Hahn. He might be wrong on certain issues...but he still has a brain.
Religion / Re: Christians,why Do You Always Ignore This Bible Verse by italo3: 7:38am On Oct 24, 2015
ifeness:


You claim your god is love right? But true love can never kill because it is UNCONDITIONAL!

Unconditional love is known as affection without any limitations, it can also be love without conditions.A love that knows no bound.An example of this is a parent's love for their child; no matter a test score, a life changing decision, an argument, or a strong belief, the amount of love that remains between this bond is seen as unchanging and unconditional.

I as a person will never ever kill a fellow human regardless of what he/she does to me. Why will a god(obviously doesn't exist) kill the people he claimed he loved. Even if a man kills his fellow human, the punishment shouldn't be death.Why? Because two wrongs won't make it right.

If your (no evidence)god kills humans because of their wrong doing,then we have negative reaction + another negative reaction and the result will be NEGATIVE.

This why it is hard to believe such a creature(u call it god) exists

According to God, He is also the life in man. So by remaining obstinate in serious sin, one has already rejected God who is life...and chosen death.

God's love includes giving obstinate sinners what they choose (which is death)

Do you want to force God to practise your personal opinion of love?

By what authority do you impose your opinion on all 7billion people on earth?
Religion / Re: A Thread For Catholics by italo3: 7:19am On Oct 23, 2015
SalC:
Good name,

Yeah the Nosa I know here is Nosayaba. I like the Nosa part but they can keep the yaba part o cheesy
Lol so you don dey gather possible name for your daughter, I thought naming the daughters is the mother's job not the father tongue wink

Lol...e no good like that?

The mother will give them Igbo name.
Religion / Re: A Thread For Catholics by italo3: 7:14am On Oct 23, 2015
Kamsified:

Ajebo alert

Aisosa is a beautiful name both the sound and the meaning.

As I understand Igbo, I still be ajebo? smiley
Religion / Re: A Thread For Catholics by italo3: 7:12am On Oct 23, 2015
My people make una no vex o...

I'm always trying but most times my posts don't go...when you see my post, I'm lucky.

I pray for all those whose days I missed. May God help me add jara to the blessings he already prepared for you.

Amen.
Religion / Re: A Thread For Catholics by italo3: 7:09am On Oct 23, 2015
Sal C, may the good Lord bless you and keep you always...


May your good petitions be looked favourably upon.

Amen.

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Religion / Re: Christians,why Do You Always Ignore This Bible Verse by italo3: 11:32pm On Oct 21, 2015
plappville:


I think its because They are so scared to die. grin

Very possible.
Religion / Re: Zambia's Day Of Prayers : The Hilarious, The Sad, The Stuuuupid . by italo3: 11:24pm On Oct 21, 2015
GooseBaba:


Bros abeg read wetin I write again... This time I take big God beg you. Pay close attention to "prayer warriors "..

Yes. 'Prayer warriors' that you said don't understand global monetary systems.

The godless people that understand it, are their economies not going into recession?
Religion / Re: I Have Decided To Help The Christians Do Some Concret Research by italo3: 11:18pm On Oct 21, 2015
hahn:


Bro, na wa for you o. I didn't run away na, my battery died and there is no power.

First of all, the context of ifeness' presentation is not to present the sumerian story as truth but only to explain that it is an older text than the Christian text and also to compare the similarities between that story and the story of genesis in order to prove that the Christian story is only the by product of another myth.

I'm on my phone now and I can't really do much research as regards the truth of the story but hey, I don't see you presenting any Christian article or any article for that matter disproving the authenticity of the story.

Besides, I'm personally not interested in either story. As far as I'm concerned, they are both myth and should only be read for pleasure and not taken seriously.

Kingebukasblog(bubu), how far na?

Jereomejnr, bomb dey your head tongue

@italo3, what happened to the "italo" moniker?


Summary: you have no proof that there is any 4500 year old 'Sumerian tablet' that says those things...

And no proof that the bible is myth.

So both the thread and your post can be dismissed as useless. No?

I opened this new account when I couldn't post with the other one. I find it difficult posting with this one too sometimes.

I dunno what the problem is...

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Religion / Re: Christians,why Do You Always Ignore This Bible Verse by italo3: 11:10pm On Oct 21, 2015
The God-haters are still dodging the questions below:

Why are Atheists troubled when God talks about killing people who offended him?

Who told them that it is bad to kill an offender?
Religion / Re: Zambia's Day Of Prayers : The Hilarious, The Sad, The Stuuuupid . by italo3: 11:04pm On Oct 21, 2015
hahn:


Care to elaborate?

What is there to elaborate upon.

The Vatican prays for everything it does, including the development of its economy.

So that's an example of an economy that was developed with prayer.

There are more.
Religion / Re: Pope Francis Shuns Nigeria, To Visit Kenya, Uganda by italo3: 8:09pm On Oct 21, 2015
plappville:


Prove it from the bible that Peter was in Rome. And the pope is a successor.



Which Bible? The one that another successor of Peter, Pope Damasus compiled and canonized in 382AD?
plappville:

There is one head of the Church is Christ. As christ is the head of the church so is the husband to the wife.


And was is not Christ that made Peter the head?

"Feed my sheep" is what Jesus told him. Are you not Jesus' sheep that should be fed by Peter?

plappville:


Nothing like visible. Catholic with visible things. Thsts why do much idols in the church. . angry

Nothing like visible, yet the invisible God made himself visible in Jesus Christ.

You need to start reading the Bible with your eyes open.

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