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What are udines You guys ought to remember that there are some JJCs following this thread

jargoon=> There is a belief, that there are beings that exist in the elements, i will give u a summary.

Fire= salamanders
water= udines
earth= Gnomes
air= sylyphs

you could research more if you choose.

m-nwankwo=> I believe you are conversant with Beings, i have a question?
. i won't mind calling you or contacting you via e-mail,

Thank you very much for this specific example. Baal has always and even today remains a a worship demon, that is a form of intuitive voiltion embodying worship. It was never a god  or goddess but pretends to be one. As long as its creators worship or venerate it, then it offers them apparent blessings. However, no sooner is its authority questioned, it gets angry just like a child whose favorite toy was removed. Baal then curses those who previously he has blessed. Followers who have withnessed both the apparent blessings as well as the curses tell their experiences by word of mouth which then is passed on. Thus, in different epochs baal can be depicted both as a diety that brings good and evil depending on what its followers experienced. In this way, several description of this demon has arisen. What however has not changed is its specie as a worship intutitive form, that is an intutive form which people venerate or worship. Baal is a clear example of how to even recognise these demons of worship. Any creature of God as well as pure intutive forms arising from the voilition of Gods creatures do not seek for worship or veneration. Indeed when individuals who for some reasons are permitted to come in contact with them venerate or worship them, such activity is met with strong rebuke and a loss of connection with such servants of God or pure entities produced by Gods creatures. No sooner do these servants of God disappear because of the false attitude of humans , then the intutive form of worship produced as a result of this false attitude then appears pretending to be the original servant of God or pure intutive volitions. That is the beginning of these dieties and it is the same in all traditions, whether it is Africa, Europe, South America, Asia etc. Over millenia, these intutive forms of worship become so powerful and have an immense control on over its followers. Their followers will never believe that that is their own production. I already have alluded that in the realm of these demons and false gods everything is possible and impossible. Deception is the constant thing in these realms. However a man with a simple belief in God can easily produce tangible evidence that these false gods and goddeses are only powerful because they draw strength from millions of its followers. In addition, their power can very easily be nullified by one who stands in the power of God. But one must make sure that he stands in Gods power or else they can be harmed and this will  manifests as physical illness or mental illness.

m-nwanko=>  Thats a wonderful analogy. you make Baal sound like all the Deities of the worlds religions .  i think we are talking about the same thing; you call them intuitive forms and i call them egregores .  .

They always remind me of an excited baby who have just learned how to sit or the way their eyes shone when they have accomplished a milestone like sitting, crawling or walking for the first time

You Sir, i must confessed just dished out words of experience  ; Udines are in fact like babies always facinated with basic stuff, as for my experience "they were captivated with flushing and playing with the WC all night". Was a very funny experience. Except when it started interfering with my precious sleep , .

They are involved with stupendous and simple happenings like the formation of the universes, galaxies, suns etc,  lightining, so called natural "disasters" , air cycles, water cycles, fire etc, as well as recording our actions, words, thoughts and intutive voilition with mathematical exactitude etc. Naturally, different elemental beings carry out these tasks. In ancient times and even today among simple people that are closer to nature, the denser species of these elementals like the gnomes , salamanders, water sprites etc can be seen by people. Atimes some of these people can also see another specie of elementals called the fairies. Specially blessed ones can also see the lords of these elemental beings , called the gods and goddesses and in exceptional cases, specially gifted ones can also see the lords of these gods and goddesses, and on an on the chain of linkage moves upwards till one gets to the sustantiate origin of these radiations which have formed themselves into different elemental beings and their leaders. All elemental beings, high or low are creatures of God and they are servants of God. Some dense ones like the gnomes are small in size, while some are so big that they can hold our entire universe in the palm of their hands. And yet even these mighty ones are just creatures and servants of God. Unfortunately, the connection of human beings to elementals has been lost due o our sinful nature and we are paying a heavy prize for it. Have we not cut of our connection with them, we would have been protected from many a harm including so called natural disasters, diseases etc. We would have through their guidance transformed this earth into a paradise where only the will of God reigns supreme.

In creation, there should be no room for mystism, everything should lie clear before the human spirit. Those who seek will surely find God without books, mystical trianing or religious tradition. God who created man as spirit has equipped man with all the talents. All we need do is to develope these talents into abilities as God wants us. Stay blessed.

@ m-nwankwo=> Please throw more light on this, I am all ears . Once had an encounter with Udines, very funny creatures i must say.

I do not know what "willed gods of the ancients" are and how they become "demons of the goetia and legamattons". Kindly explain to me the above. I may then comment on gods and goddesses and the demons or evil intutive forms claiming to be these gods and goddesses.

@m-nwankwo=> I will use the ancient deity Baal as a case study;
Baal was an ancient deity in the ancient semitic world. Baal was known as the lord of the heavens, fertility, etc. Even the Christian and the Jewish literatures made reference of the Israelites seeking the blessing of the prophet of Baal, called Baal-am. The importance of the veneration of Baal could be seen with the reference to the value and the impact Baal-am would have on the future of the Israelites; "That was why it was necessary to seek his blessing and not his curse". That introduction being made i'll proceed.
Over centuries it will be noted that Baal devolved into the state of a demonic entity by those who venerated and valued the blessing of his prophet.
That gives rise to so many questions on his metamorphosis from a highly lofty being willed to control the heavens, and now devolving into an arch demonic being termed Beelzebub or Baal-ze-bub the "Lord of Flies".

The earlier post was written in a rush; with a little time on my side, i will comment more.

Seeing the creator in the light of his Totality free's one from the shackles of Duality i.e the concept of Good and Evil. G-d is the embodiment of both duality a.k.a ALL. I will make a reference of the Christian and the Jewish holy literature Isaiah 45:7="I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." Yes one will argue; "it says do and not, I am these things", but it should be noted that all was made from the original cause; all that is, is of him and there is non without him .
On your question of the Ebola Virus; i will say G-d is the Ebola virus, but the Ebola virus is not G-d. The concept of duality is bound to create a dogmatic shackle, which tends to be hard to break, this concept is bound to lead the mind into error.We all know that the mind is a slave to classification; due to its limitation. In my believe, a greater form of morality is one that deals with Causes and Consequences. A mind tailored to live by the laws of Cause and Effects would uphold moral virtues in a greater light and stability.
On your question of the artist and the painting, i believe the artist is his painting, but the painting is not the artist. The painting would always be referred to in conjunction with the artist, but not vice-versa. This might sound ludicrous in a world were we are bound to be limited by the laws of separation and duality. Even quantum physics has thrown more light on the interconnectivity of all. The all in my opinion is G-d.

The earlier post was written in a rush; with a little time on my side, i will comment more.

Seeing the creator in the light of his Totality free's one from the shackles of Duality i.e the concept of Good and Evil. G-d is the embodiment of both duality a.k.a ALL. I will make a reference of the Christian and the Jewish holy literature Isaiah 45:7="I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." Yes one will argue; "it says do and not, I am these things", but it should be noted that all was made from the original cause; all that is, is of him and there is non without him .
On your question of the Ebola Virus; i will say G-d is the Ebola virus, but the Ebola virus is not G-d. The concept of duality is bound to create a dogmatic shackle, which tends to be hard to break, this concept is bound to lead the mind into error.We all know that the mind is a slave to classification; due to its limitation. In my believe, a greater form of morality is one that deals with Causes and Consequences. A mind tailored to live by the laws of Cause and Effects would uphold moral virtues in a greater light and stability.
On your question of the artist and the painting, i believe the artist is his painting, but the painting is not the artist. The painting would always be referred to in conjunction with the artist, but not vice-versa. This might sound ludicrous in a world were we are bound to be limited by the laws of separation and duality. Even quantum physics has thrown more light on the interconnectivity of all. The all in my opinion is G-d.

I do not agree that all is God but no single unit is God. If that is the case what are the fragments or single units made of. Secondly how can the fragment or single unit concieve of the whole? If God is comprised of all, are the single units parts of God. If they are, then explain what God will be doing in Ebola virus or even in viruses that Craig Venter haS created in his lab. If however the single units are not parts of God, then what are they? My view is both the parts and the whole are not God but creation. I do not know why some ancients uses a circle to represent the unity of God. My view is that a cycle referes to creation for the circle itself is a form, that is,  it can be substantiated in a picture. Thus God has no representation, that is, no form can depict God. Thus, neither the circle, numbers or any formation can be used to depict God.

@M-nwankwo=> On this issue i'll give one more analysis: a lion is called a lion in it's totality, if you cut it's head ,will you refer to the lions head as the lion or will you refer it as the lions head.The whole makes up the entity, and the part cannot be addressed as the whole. That was my point.I am also of the opinion that the fragment can never perceive the whole in it's totality,"can the lions hair perceive the lion?". The adequate definition of concepts are in thier totality and not in its parts. As i said, my analogy might be wrong because i believe beings of casualty are not capable of describing the non-causal

Give specific examples and I will reply.

eg1 The willed gods of the ancients are the demons of the goetia's and legamattons.

I am permitted to know certain things about elemental beings and will share them if I sense it will be helpful spiritually to discussants. Stay blessed.

=. you could veil it if you choose. I hope the knowledge will be  that which will uplift, rather than that which will destroy   - but the light of knowledge should raised up high, to uplift the spirit. "we are the ones we have been waiting for" 

@M-Nwankwo=> Thanks for sharing your insight, it's really illuminating . Yet, i will wish to draw your attention on certain issues.

1)"on your analysis of the distinction between the creator and the created(enamation)"=> on this issue, i believe that distinction of G-d and his creatures might not be necessary since it relies on the perception of the perceiver. I am of the opinion that G-d is in the whole and not in fragment. This view shouldn't be confused with the source of all creation. i will like to illustrate my point with a simple number formalism which i have used in a previous post, but however with some new points.

Eqn1: G-d={infinity-0-infinity}.

The origin/source and its end can't be known  by beings of causality. I beg to differ in your analysis, by saying all is G-d, but no single unit is G-d. i would define G-d as the sum of the set of all, with no beginning and no end. This in my opinion is why the ancients have always used the circle as a representation of the unity of G-d, because he  is comprised of all. This definiton how ever might be flawed since it is given by a being of casualty , however when i tackle such concepts i try to use the purest of all intuitive representation/formalism a.k.a numbers.


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the intuitive form lacks the capacity to will, it only carries out the original program that led to its formation

On this i beg to differ; cos i have observed some intuitive form will beyond the realms of their original program e.g The gods of ancient societies born out of the will and intuition for specific purposes, but now due to some factors, have devolve into states of nihilistic chaos.


And also you mentioned about the beings of the elements in your thread, you seem to have a great insight on the activities of the elementals; wow, can you share your view on the elementals, i will love to hear .

I thought this was interesting. what y'all think?

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krayola2=>  all through time, its quite unfortunate there will always exist humans who seek to profit from the ignorance of many.  but one thing is for sure "They can fool some people some times but they cannot fool everybody all the time" 

, don't mind me, was just taunting u , the fixation of the human brain on percieved conventions and the slow adaptation rate of the retina gives rise to many illusions,

, shows you how unreliable the human senses can be at times,

brilliant illusions.

In light of the attitude of Zen what do we think of Egregores now.

I mean the idea that egregores/thoughtforms can be cultured ('institutionalized') and used to serve the interests of the community rather than being a negative aspect of it.

Perhaps what we need is actually no thoughtforms at all. How do we go about ridding ourselves of egregores and making Nigeria a Zen nation?

pastor AIO => I think it should be done one step at a time. It would be wrong for one to approach the formless directly, without first purifying the thought forms . I would liken it to passing 10000 volts of electricity into a 20 watts bulb, we all know the consequence . I personally believe our aims as mortals lies in the purifyication of our ego's and egregores ; because if that was not essential, we won't be given an ego in the first place. The same goes with being a Nigerian, it is our responsibility. That is why we are here as Nigerians.(In this view, i may be wrong or )

I see the egregores as an underutilized and mis-managed energy. Egregores are capable of providing unimaginable benefits to humanity if constructed and used wisely. I see the understanding and the management of the egregores as the future science of humanity.

When I think of your request, Jackdaniel,
 Certain things come to a mind.
 The first is a vow not to preach,
 The second is the vow just to teach.

 So, do I say, Jackdaniel,
 I live to share Zen;
 Not an ideology or a doctrine,
 But the enriching breathe of the Dharma.

 So I pick up a cross and walk on,
 Stomping a foot in the ground.
 And while leaving huge footprints behind me,
 I devour the Fruit of the Tree.  

 But there is not Zen in mere words
 There is not Satori in not doing.
 In mere words is only death
 In death there is no Dharma.

 D'wanna know what it is?
 There is one, or two, I have found.
 If I say the camel is the mind
 Would it be understood to say why?

 Or even, How?

buda => very poetic ; poetry intoxicates my senses in a very positive way  

wonderful posts guys;

Share Zen? Now that's a tough challenge, though I constantly do in just about every post. Like Kaballah, its a way of reasoning (or thinking), and most importantly doing. No different to Christianity until one gets bogged down in what Zen is not, and attempts to indoctrinate others. I guess its not a thing to preach, is the thing. Zen does advice the individual to seek their own Satori, after all.

buda => At least you can share the koans you know.


Pastor AIO=> nice video.

seems like Scientology is about to get some competition.

krayola2 => the sarcastic one , must you always use sarcasm.

Walk the world o'er, and sublime and blessed Teacher Jackdaniel!Teach us the Truth; there are they who will understand."

buda => Almost peed on my pants laughing . I am not a blessed teacher, abeg bros,  i am just a seeker of the truth like you all.

And i hope you share your Zen insights with us, cos we are at your lotus feet to learn. We should all learn from one another; share the light and dispel darkness from our soul, lives,families,nation and the earth.

" Let us all seek the truth as She seeks us " because " We are the Ones we have been waiting for "

Sorry, but not acceptable!

It has already been said that things are hidden. Surely those who have lifted the corner of the veil are not allowed to continue to hide that which for its knowing edifies the soul is what I reckon.
For it is written, some of what one writes will fall by the wayside and the birds will come and devour them. Some of what one writes will fall on stony places and will wither away when the sun scorches them becasue they have no soil to take root in. Some will fall among thorns and be choked to death as soon as they spring up. But others will fall on good ground and yielded a crop: some a hundredfold, some a millionfold, and some thirty billionfold and even more, jackdaniel.
"Write!" As the Angel Gabriel said to the Prophet. And let they who have ears to hear, read it!

Buda=> A great Zen master once said we should not leave footprints of evil in this world.

And my dad has a funny saying “It is easy to give a mad man a machete, but the hard part is retrieving it”.

And besides I have divulged so much and i promise to divulge so much more if the Divine permits. Remember once, when a zen master gave a lecture and said nothing, suddenly a bird sang and he declared that the lecture was over. I guess you know the effects of the koan and satori.

“The words are but letters to world, but the Divine quickeneth understanding; the guardians of veil chooses who beholds the mysteries. When the divine permits; He who should see, shall see”.

Jargon=> summary answers: hope you will find time to research more on it; if you are interested. I hope these answers might help. All I can offer are opinions, only you can find the truth.

1] What is the ultimate purpose of the kabbalah

In summary ,its purpose is for one to “know yourself, the Divine and the architecture of creation”.(Please research more for more details)

2] What is the source of this knowledge/ practise?

Tricky question; some people are of the opinion it has a Jewish origin (i.e given by G-d to Moses, who passed it down to the 70 elders of Israel, of whom Joshua was one of them). But I believe the kabbalah pre-dates the Jewish religion, symbols and structures of the kabbalah are found in different parts of the world.

3] How come so little is known about it?

Seek and you shall find. It has always been there. I believe the truth will seek one and one will seek the truth when the soul is ready.

4] It seems to have the same Jewish origins with Christianity, is there any relation?

Probably; Remember the early Christians were Jewish and  Jesus was a Jew. So probably some might have this knowledge.  During the renaissance in Europe many Christians tried to merge the kabbalah into Christianity. A notable pioneer was Pico Della Mirandola. And besides, the Catholic Church is structured on  kabbalah symbolism e.g. the design of the altar, the Trinity, Mary etc, the Jesuits priests were at the forefront of incorporating the kabbalah into Christianity e.g. Kircher the renowned German Jesuit and Egyptologist. The Christians refer to their kabbalah as Cabbalah.

5] Do the practioners have any mystical or supernatural powers?

Mystical powers are just by-product of spiritual attainments, most  kabbalist do not take it seriously. Some ignore it, because it can become a distraction.

6] How come it is virtually impossible to master the kabbalah?

Since you cannot count all the numbers in existence; you cannot master the whole kabbalah. Only the first cause(G-d) has mastered the whole kabbalah.

7] What has the kabbalah got to do with the north pole of Saturn?

Understand the basics first; ignore the NASA video. I placed it for those who can see behind the veil of that video. If you are still interested, you can start by reading what the NASA scientist wrote on that page.

=> jargoon; i promise ; i'll reply your questions soon. Please 4give my delays, i am very busy for now . cheers

Stumbled across an interesting photograph on NASA's casini's space photograhs of storms at the north pole of Saturn. Look closely, cheers,  http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/cassini/multimedia/pia09187.html

So what are we to think of Madonna's Qaballah?

pastor AIO =>  , have you ordained me the chief judge of madonna's Qabala? . I can only hope she is doing the right thing; and besides, even if she is doing some of it wrong, @ least she could have  done some things right; no matter how little, that alone is something to be  happy about.  Kabbalah is not the only way to the divine, it is just one of the ways.

Krayola2 => Don't know where to start,  ,  maybe authours like; Gershom scholem, Yehuda Ashlag, Aryeh Kaplan,  leonora leet, rabbi michael laitman,manly .p .hall, israel regardie, etc. i believe the older the work the better, b'cos today we have many loonies out there writting crap in the name of kabbalah , maybe after these,one might precede to the classic Zoha and a host of all the other Sepher's !!!!!!!!!!'s. Any way i think the basic is essential; once the concepts are mastered, i think one can even get insights from every day objects eg children story books, ,  . , always master the basics, cos thats the main stuff.

@ Krayola2 => correct 9nja boi, , sound like a summa cum laude guy

@ Krayola2 => are u jewish?

I don't think that Consciousness relies on Thinking.  One could stop all thought processes and still be conscious of Being.  Consciousness is Being.  In fact when one stops thinking that is when Consciousness shines most intensely.

pastor AIO=> true. consciousness does not need to think; Thinking is a process of the ego.

What has being tuned or bound to a certain world (higher or lower) got to do with having structure?

Pastor AIO => One has to ascend up the ladder of the tree of life , or remain stagnant or devolve to the tree of death. The higher, the more structured one becomes. The tree of life is a map.

I thought that the Ain Soph was the infinite and beyond the sephiroth

Pastor AIO => more sephiroth exists above kether, but i think the following have been recorded: kether=> ain soph=> ain soh aur => regions of lo(NOT); any way, to avoid confusions most teachings end in kether or ain soph.

If however such causal connections are not required in your cosmology then the question of what came first is not relevant.

Pastor AIO =>Non causality can not be explained by beings of causality; any attempt to describe it would have some elements of distortion. to understand non causality, you have to experience it. the tree of life is a causal description on how to ascend to the realms of non causality.

This when applied to the creation of egregores would mean that they are not dependent on the thoughts of people to create them.

pastor AIO=>As the sephiroths depend on ain soph for their existence, so do egregores depend on the minds of their creators to survive ( it's a little bit more complicated than this though; b'cos technically they are also part of the fragments of the tree of life( the system) once created.).
So be careful of what you create or what you associate your self with. Be conscious or else you might end up being a puppet.

I think that the qliphoth, or shattered shells are being created every moment even as we speak.

Thats one of the aims of this thread, to stop or minimize the creation of shells. we need  "Tikkun Olam"(repairing of the world). Our ego and even the egregores are very useful tools if applied wisely. They could serve for the greater Good of man kind and our society. we need to ascend higher in the tree of life and not devolve further into the tree of death. consider the ego as a vehicle in which you can use to ascend or decend.

Also, what do u mean by "egregore of the state being tuned to higher worlds"? and that havin sumtn to do with the American success story. Couldn't it just be well managed abundant resources and responsible govt? kinda like other well run countries e.g. Canada, Sweden, Japan, UAE. I know the monuments and currency have some symbols with mystical roots, but I never thought too much about it. I'm not a big fan of conspiracy theories and it just seemed to me all that stuff was just that.

Krayola2 => not a fan of conspiracies myself ( maybe when i was younger),  , That point was chipped in on purpose; it was as a result of  earlier questions from Pator AIO; pertaining the Nigerian egregore.

I have a few questions. . .did the concept of the sefirot pre-exist kabbalah, and were the Kabbalists ideas just plugged into an existing framework?

Krayola2 =>  Yes it did

"When your intellect conceives of God, do not permit urself to imagine that there is a God that exists as depicted by you. For if you do this you will have a finite and corporeal conception of God, God forbid. Instead, your mind should dwell on the affirmation of God's existence and then recoil. To do more than this is to allow the imagination to reflect on God as God is in Himself and such reflection is bound to result in imaginative limitations and corporeality. Put reins therefore on ur intellect and do not allow it too great a freedom, but assert God's existence and deny ur intellect the possibility of comprehending God"  16th century kabbalist Moses cordevero

I think that  ^^is a basic dogmatic remix of what u're sayin. Wrong?

Krayola2 => Right    ; but that takes great mastery and purification of the Rauch.

Get rid of the ego by shedding the light of awareness on it and this egregore thing will also vanish.Human beings need to get away from the "HUMAN" aspect of themselves and move back to the "BEING" aspect of themselves.That is to move back to the centre and align with it.This is what is called going back to God in the religious circle(even though that has come to mean coming to my religion/church in today's religious circle).
The western folk - who gave us these religions that keep us firmly locked to the "Human" part of our make up hence creating all these "egregores" - are slowly being taught how to move back and align with their centre,incidentally,and are leaving we africans behind to hold on to our human aspects that create all these agregores.
We need to move back to the centre,back to the "being".If we do not do this,we will never get rid of these egregores and all the social dysfunctions that we labour under.

jagunlabi => WORD.

But does the artist actually create that initial thought of the painting ex nihilo, or did the Idea pre-exist and just occur to him.  Or rather occur in his head.  Perhaps the Idea merely uses the artist to come into manifestation

Pastor AOI=> that’s a wonderful question, I was highly fascinated; from your responses I believe you have some knowledge of the kabbalah.  I am compelled to answer you in kabbalistic terms; the answer to that question challenges even the emanation of kether; it raises a loop question; since the emanations of the sephiroths are the thought of the divine. Answering that, should suggest that even kether is propelled by his thought to create. This implies that the thought of the emanations (sephiroths) precedes kether. From the geometrical structures, one should know that more circles can be created above kether. But kabbalist identified that problem and decided to ignore the sephiroths above kether ; and decided to start from kether, which is Ain soph. Consider the number line ; infinity negative numbers before zero and infinity positive numbers after zero. Neither ends can be met, so it is advisable to start from zero.

The realm of the artist begins from zero (hypothetically), all the components of his painting exist within the known sephiroths; and his brain is a replica of Ain Soph(As above so is Below), so he taps into the energies of the sephiroths( fragments of thoughts from the divine) combines them  and creates his own emanations , thus a thought, idea or maybe an egregore . I guess you are aware that the human body is also a replica of the tree of life.
AS ABOVE SO IS BELOW, we also have the ability of kether to form emanations with our brains; the human brain is a Microcosm of the Macrocosm (kether).

Even more; so the idea of structured and unstructured egos. What is a structured Ego?

Rene Descartes: " i think i am, therefore i exist ". That should be the first word usually uttered, when consciousness  develops an ego in my opinion.   . Analysis of that word, I-think-I-Am;  I= consciousness and Am=Ego . Analysing a second sentence. "I- cant- live- with- myself". I=consciousness and Myself = Ego. ---- just a prelude.

The human brain behaves like kether, it also produces emanations. Ain soph has created many emanations before this present reality, and they  were all destroyed, this resulted to the shells. This present tree of life still lasts because of its structure (perfect symmetry). The ability of our brain to mimic kether is both our blessing and our curse.

An unstructured ego in kabbalistic term are egos still bound in the lower worlds, animalistic => flux/astral => mental => atziluth. The higher the world attuned to, the more structured the ego becomes. Minds trapped in the animalistic world will always create animalistic egregores, or always have dysfunctional egos. In a country like Nigeria (presently), it is obvious where the minds of our leaders and majority of the citizens lurk, most are compelled by the animal instincts (corruption, kidnapping, violence, greed, etc). The genius of America is; the egregore of the state is being guarded by minds that are highly attuned to higher worlds. That is the greatest achievement of the Freemasons in America. Even the national monuments of the United States depict the ideas of the American founding fathers.

This thread is getting complicated, i am beginning to get confused

Jagoon=> sorry about that, if you have any questions please don’t hesitate to ask, they say, he who asks for direction never gets lost.

I do not agree that age makes an egregore any more potent

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buda => i said probably, not certainly,  . but from my analysis of the judeo/Christian/Islamic egregores, i am of the opinion that the former governs the latter's. Various factors increase the strengths of egregores, it would be unwise to comment on certain issues on a public thread . ("dare","know","will" and "silence"; i hope you get it buda.

On the Kabbalah, I doubt you could explain it Jack, only becasue of the complexity involved, even if it is understood. I find it to be a method of reasoning (or thinking) that developed though the search for deeper truth in the Torah and specifically the Bereshith which you quoted. Studies of it seem to develop the reasoning ability of the individual in a sort of eye opening way, I would say. A E Waite did a rather good job, for those interested.

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buda=>  Very true Buda, The kabbalah can't be explained in it's entirety, no kabbalist has ever been able to analyse the different combinations of the AlephBeth, how much more explaining the wholes system. who am i to explain the whole system, all i can do is share my  experience and hope to learn from others also,  .  And besides i was talking about it's structure, most books talk about the tree of life dogmatically; Not showing  it's origins concretely.

Concerning A.E. Waite's work; i think it is brilliant, but i will rather recommend the works of  Israel Regardie.
Caveats: interested readers of the above mentioned works should bear in mind that these books are by authours who were highly influenced by the western hermetic doctrines , But I think they really make a good introduction into the study of the kabbalah,