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XxSabrinaxX:
Good day, sir! . What didn't you understand about my post? Did you happen to see the words "may be" in it?

There is nothing to be confused about, y'hear? The cosmos MAY BE a closed system from which the Big Bang emerged!

"The universe is an open or closed system in the thermodynamics sense of the terms. The universe is open if it is affected by something outside of it. (Cosmos) If there is no outside of it then obviously it is a closed system. I think most people define "universe" in terms that require it to be a closed system, though a few people (i.e. brane-world string theorists) use the term somewhat differently."
Source: https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/is-the-universe-an-open-or-a-closed-system.255948/

Read VERY carefully. Closed systems cannot exchange matter with the surroundings, but can exchange energy. Isolated systems can exchange neither matter nor energy with their surroundings, and as such are only theoretical and do not exist in reality (except, possibly, the entire universe).

You cannot just know the things you profess to know. You cannot know anything about the cosmos. You cannot yet know if our universe is an open or closed system. The final results are not yet in. I cited this with articles. It is not my fault that NOBODY is opting to read them. There is only one person on this thread making inane assertions and I know who that person is.........

Good morning ma'am.... I don't think pointing to a post on another forum as your source can be considered authoritative . it's like me directing someone to a post on nairaland that says jubril is the president of Nigeria as authoritative information. Not saying physicsforum.com is a bad website or great answers can't be found there but like most public forums, it is open to opinions and speculations as well. Maybe a better source would have been physics stackexchange, mostly because of the restrictions placed on the way answers are given and their point based system. It's also not authoritative but it's a good place to start.

Secondly, I did read the entire thread u cited and the same post u clipped ur snippet from goes on to say the universe is probably closed in answering the posters question. He only put the part u clipped out in other to break down what the OP was trying to mean by his question. This is the full part u clipped out for context.

He's asking whether it's an open or closed system in the thermodynamics sense of the terms. The universe is open if it is affected by something outside of it. If there is no outside of it then obviously it is a closed system. I think most people define "universe" in terms that require it to be a closed system, though a few people (i.e. brane-world string theorists) use the term somewhat differently.

For the purposes of your question, the answer is probably "closed".

Source https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/is-the-universe-an-open-or-a-closed-system.255948/
Anybody can click the link to fact check me and probably just read the full answer.

Thirdly ma'am, I wasn't weighing in on whether the universe is a closed system or not. Kindly read my explanation to thearranger for the highlights I originally made. I think u have a different understanding of the word cosmos.

Either way, I'm not trying to get into a sparing contest. Regardless of what side of the divide we find ourselves on,we are first and foremost humans and all humans deserve to be treated with dignity and respect.That means, we might disagree on whether Jesus Christ is the creator of the cosmos or not but we can still disagree without demeaning one another.

Enjoy the holiday ma'am and God bless.

Danaruz:
Okay, I got that... What I meant was, I'm not so sure of any of the two, I don't believe there's someone out there that's really in charge, like things just fall in due to actions and reactions.

If you don't mind, I would employ you to listen to this debate. See how both sides(atheist and theist) look at the evidences of nature

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVCVt-dvVOc

Would be nice if u let me know what u think after watching the video...

Sorry, just so we can better understand how to approach the thread. Is ur question
I) Is there really a God or is material world all there is?
II) If there is really a God, how can we be certain the God of the Bible is the true creator out of all the many entities that have been named god over the centuries?

TheArranger:
I could also be wrong or maybe i'm off my hinges but i don't understanding your point or the contradiction you're trying to highlight. Please clarify. Thank you.

Oh sorry, my bad.
The point I was trying to make was; if you follow the conversations and get to post I took the highlights from, you'd see d poster fumbled with their understanding of what the word cosmos means( at least in the context it was been used), but just read down a couple of lines in the same post and the same poster is quick to tell someone else to shut up and go learn physics. Was just trying to butress the point of how the counter claims were more of mockery and name calling than any other thing.

chieveboy:
We care because we are interested in truth and not fiction or deceit. For this reason, we care to find out about our past, to ensure the foundation of our future was not built on sand.

Sir, I think it might be worth your while to take a course on early church history if you are interested in the truth. Constantine played no part in the compilation of the Bible. Matter of fact, the books of the old testament was already accepted as scripture by Jews and 1st century christains hundreds of yrs b4 Constantine was born. Likewise all the 4 gospels and the letters of Paul were already accepted universally by christains as scripture as early as the second century (Constantine became emperor in the 4th century, so about 200yrs b4 Constantine)

After going through the thread, I would like to suggest to Mr shadeyinka, if you can, to take the high road and let the conversation die a natural death. I may not agree with you on some of the statements you have made but any honest person reading this thread would agree that the people you're engaging with really do not understand the subject matter well enough to make and follow through with meaningful counter claims. All we can see is half baked counter claims sprinkled with mockery,name calling and assertions of superior intellect.

It's mind boggling to have a statement like this

Good lord! Why don't you go and get a degree in Physics prior to talking such nonsense?

In the same post, a statement like this is made:

The cosmos may be a closed system from which the Big Bang emerged. Where does the cosmos come from?

I could be wrong but I personally don't see any reason to continue the conversation.