LordReed:


The is no evidence that says the universe is not eternal. We do not know what preceded the big bang so we cannot say whether the universe is eternal or not. Besides nature still is not evidence for your particular god since you have not provided sufficient evidence to rule out any of the other god claims.

Yeah,it's true we do not know what preceded the big bang because it will always remain unknowable to us, but as long as we have in inflationary big bang model as our theory of how the universe got started then the implication is that, this universe, this particular one we are part of has a beginning and is not eternal. Even with the inflationary big bang model ,it's still anybody's best guess what exactly happened at some of the earliest moments of the universe around the10^-36 seconds(that's like 0.000000000000000000000000000000000001 seconds) and 10^-32 seconds, i.e like what started the inflation? Is it still ongoing today, constantly spitting out pocket universes with ours being on of those universes? what stopped it at the 10^-32 secs when normal expansion took over? Or if the universe started out as pure space? But what we do know is the universe didn't exist in a steady state and the more people study black holes, the clearer the picture will be.

As I said earlier, the Bible stood alone as the only holy book that has a universe with a beginning, a universe with fixed laws and a creator outside of space-time itself. And the Bible does also say, aside of the book of nature, God is always ready to reach out to anyone who is willing to get to know Him.

Also, context is kinda really important not just with the Bible but with many other things in life. A simple statement like "He's gone" can be interpreted in many different ways if no context is provided. I know I've personally had to call people up because they took a message I wrote out of context and got mad because they misinterpreted it.
And if you are curious about the flood story, I believe "the bible project" (the youtube channel of the video I posted last) has a pretty good short overview of that story.

GRIMMJOE:
Oh they are related, even with your basic knowledge you still choose the least possible explanation of the universe, a God, not just any God, but the one that contradict it's self in his own book, then comes out and contradict science.

This shows that you're just scared of going to hell, so you chose a higher authority just in case it exist. Shame on you.

Hmmm, ok.

Now that you brought it up... personally, I don't think the subject of hell as ever really held any central point in my Christain life. I can't even remember the last time I thought about it, or if I ever really did think about it... I guess on a subconscious level John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life." has held more of a central point for me in my Christain faith.

Anyway,it is well. Enjoy the rest of your week.

LordReed:


[b]Evidence that can be used to point to anything is evidence of nothing. [/b]If this same nature is used as evidence of some other types of gods then we have no reason to believe any.

Well not really... The whole point of gathering evidence is to narrow down our assumptions. Most of the other types of gods are subject to the same constraints within the universe as we are and their holy books assume the universe itself is eternal. As I said earlier, it's not just the book of nature we have but also the book of scripture and God reaching out to those who truly want to know him.
The Bible is the only holy book(and holy books that take the Bible as it's source i.e Islam, Mormons) that claims the universe itself has a beginning and it's creator is transcendent to the universe.

Besides the god of the bible is a vengeful god. How else do you explain the need to kill both the unborn and little children?

Yea, I know that part usually trip 21century readers up ...that's because we usually read those passages out of their ancient near eastern context and sometimes we read them out of the literary genres context.

Here a quick 8mins video that I believe does a pretty good job in putting a couple of those passages in their context, incase you are interested just for the sake of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqOqJlFF_eU

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LordReed:


He created them to ease his loneliness but when they turned out wrong by reason of the agent he let run amok in the first place he decides that best solution is to torture them eternally. The caveat being if you believe in his absent self you don't go to be tortured but he refuses to give sufficient interaction to establish his reality so people like me don't believe so our end is to be tortured. SMH.

We've been there and done that. Jesus like the rest of it is comforting fiction, ain't no magic sky wizard coming to save you.

I agree with you that the type of God Op is portraying is a wrathful and self absorbed God. That's definitely not the God of the Bible though.
But @bolded, the Bible says "The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge. There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world." Psalm 19:1-4a
God has given us two books, The Book of Nature (Everybody reads this) and the Book of Scripture. The Bible also says the HolySpirit is in the world today convicting the hearts of men(that is like tugging at people's hearts).
So basically no human that as walked on this earth can say they did not have the opportunity to know God and noone who truly wanted to know God can say God didn't reach out to them.

Just my two cent.

GRIMMJOE:
Yawns, no one yet knows the truth of this world, Einstein theory is still inconclusive, but it holds more to the rest. (there are more so called theory of how this world came about, not just God and big bang)

Einstein's theory of Relativity is one of the very few well attested and rigorously tested theories in all of science till date.
You can say you do not agree with it and it would be great if you can give reasons why and maybe present any other theory you believe more accurately describes the physics of the big...as you said, science thrives on questioning. Or you can say you don't know much about it,which is also a totally acceptable answer as no one knows everything. What you can't say is, we don't know anything about anything that describes our physical universe just because there are still things we do not understand well enough. If that's the case, We might as well stop going to school and also believe the technologies man has developed over the centuries that depend on the things we do know are based on magic.( I.e people who say it's oyinbo witchcraft that keeps a plane in the air.)

And sir, our discussion is not about the big bang. Our discussion has been about the property of time and how it relates to existence.

I'll take the other things you wrote as you blowing off steam as they are not directly related to our discussion.

GRIMMJOE:
All what you wrote was trashed when God said he's the beginning and the end. For a beginning to exist time must exist, God nevered said he's Omnilock.

Ok so, the statement "I am the beginning and the end" is a title used by Jesus in the book of revelations and is usually accompanied with the statements "I am the Alpha and Omega", "the First and the Last". To put things in context, the book of revelations is a apocalyptic book detailing the end of all things(current universe).It's at this time God is going to deal with evil on a cosmic scale and usher in a new universe with new physical laws ,where there's no pain, no death,no suffering etc.
So in Genesis 1, we have "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth", John 1:1-3 expands on that with "In the beginning was the Word.....verse3: All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." and finally the book of revelation reveals to us how the second coming of Christ is bringing everything to an end in this age.
So when we have the statement " I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end." It means God/Jesus is the beginning of all things and He is also the end of all things. It's not that He has a beginning or an end.

And yea, The Bible does talk about God being transcendent:Psalm 90:2, Genesis 1:1, Genesis 21:33, Colossians 1:16-17, Revelations 10:6 and so on.

Just some education, humans are 3 dimensional being, but what we see are 2 dimensional, that's why you can watch a movie on a flat screen, anything you can see can be painted on a picture.

I don't see how this is relevant to our conversation but just a slight adjustment to put what you said in perspective. Yes, our eyes take in information in 2d but our brain recreates those images into 3d by using things like the difference in images from both eyes, motion, relative size etc to determine depth.
It just like how our eyes sees images upside down then our brain turns it the right way up. Again I really don't see how this helps our conversation but I would agree with you that our system is pretty amazing.

See why science will always be ahead of religion that shut down peoples brains, also you assume the 4th dimension is time, nobody knows what the fourth dimension is even Einstein.

@bolded... It's pretty weird you would make this statement. The concept that we live in a universe whose fabrics is 3-dimensions of space and 1-dimension of time connected together(Hence why it's called space-time) is nothing new. Objects with mass don't only move through space but also move through time and the faster you move through space, the slower you move through time. Gravity is not a force that attracts objects together but the warping of space-time itself. That's the basics of the theory of Relativity, which has been around for over a 100yrs.
It's also weird you would say Einstein doesn't know this as he is the one who actually proved it and it's his prove of this particular theory that catapulted him into stardom.

MuttleyLaff:

My oga, Happy Sunday.
Hope the weekend has been good.

odinson1:


Yeah you got it right

Proof to me will be this:
-There should be video or photo evidence
-God must appear to every single person on earth simultaneously at the same time,this way,there would be videos, pictures,news stations would broadcast it... and when more that 50 people see him at the same time with Their clear eyes...that would be proof to me

Thank you

Lol... If that's what proofs mean to you, we might as well throw away alot of the scientific and historical discoveries of the past millennia or so.
If you really want to have a real conversation, you can always mention me

Have a good Sunday.

budaatum:


You must read the entire book in order to understand that as the wrathful God evolved into the loving Jesus Christ, so too do the ideas in the Bible evolve over time.

Sorry for butting in. I agree with alot of things you've said on this thread but I just want to quickly touch on this one point.

For starters, The God of the Bible cannot evolve or change in His very nature.
"For I am the Lord, I do not change (Malachi 3:6)."
"Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning (James 1:17)".
"Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. Hebrew 13:8". Etc

Secondly, the concept that the God of the old testament is more of a wrathful God while Jesus in the new testament is the new and improved loving God is sort of a misreading of the nature of God by reading the old testament out of its ancient near eastern context. As you have rightly noted in this thread, reading the Bible in context is paramount to understanding it.
The biblical authors constantly speak about the love of God in both and the new testament.
"Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love. 1John 4:8"
“But you, O Lord, are a compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness.” Psalm 86:15"
“Your love, O Lord, reaches to the heavens, your faithfulness to the skies. Your righteousness is like the mighty mountains, your justice like the great deep. Psalm 36:5-6”
“‘Though the mountains be shaken and the hills be removed, yet my unfailing love for you will not be shaken nor my covenant of peace be removed,’ says the Lord, who has compassion on you.” Isaiah 54:10".
We have to remember again that God does not change.

Paul writing in the new testament talks of Jesus being the express image and exact representation of the invisible God. So basically instead of us having our own conception of God and trying to fit Jesus into it,we should rather look at Jesus to see the exact nature of God.

May I suggest a book.
Is God a Moral Monster? Making Sense of the Old Testament God by Paul Copan . I haven't read it myself but I've heard good things about it and how it helps readers view the old testament stories in their original ancient near eastern context.

Have a good one.

odinson1:

That's what i asked you,how are you sure God is the all in all of the Universe, pls dont quote bible verses for me as proof
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I really don't understand your question, but I'm guessing it has something to do with proving the existence of God and that He created the universe?

If I got you right, what would qualify as proof to you?

Myer:


Christ is to Christianity what Mohammed is to Islam and Abraham is to Judaism.
It's important to know that all are religions simply trying to make sense of life and trying to create a fictitious ideal world.

Well, there is kind of a big difference.
You see, Muslims see Muhammad as a prophet but Christains see Christ as God. That's a huge difference in outlook.
With that said, I do understand your point of view. I do not agree with it, but I get it.

odinson1:


And how do you know of all this?

Let me guess,you read it in your bible

Naa, most of what I wrote comes from standard general relativity and modern cosmology. You can look them up yourself.
The only part that comes from the Bible is the part on what the Bible claims about God.

GRIMMJOE:
If humans ask "who created me?" shouldn't God also ask who created him?

Well not really. You are assuming that God is constrained in time like the universe and all that is in it.

Ok so, firstly it is established that we live in a universe with a single dimension of time, where time cannot be stopped or be reversed. Any entity constrained in a such a universe must at some ultimate point have a beginning or a creation event. So the word "to create" in this context means: For something (which wasn't in existence before) to appear at some point within this single linear dimension of time. Think of it as time being a straight line that keeps going forward and different things appearing at different points on this line.

The space-time theorem also establishes that time itself has a beginning and was created. This implies that there must be an agent outside of time itself that brought it into existence. The claim the Bible makes repeatedly is, God created the universe which includes both space and time,therefore God himself cannot be subject to linear time and he need not have a beginning or an ending. In that sense, the word "to create" cannot be applied to Him.

Finally, just as a 2d character living in a 2d world would lack the language to express anything that has depth because his entire world is constrained to only "up & down", "front & back" , we also lack the language to express how a being exists outside of linear time.
Questions like who created God?What was God doing before the universe was created? Etc cannot be applied to an entity that brought time itself into existence. And because of our contraints of reference we cannot even begin to think of the right types of questions to ask.

Kobojunkie:
The reason I pick to post from the Easy-to-Read Version of the Bible is so as to both bypass and shove the "interpretation" Bull.Piss where it belongs, - simply read and understand what is written as it is written there in English as plain as day.


I keep expecting a straightforward answer from you...

...Did God lie when He said, "People will not have to teach their neighbors and relatives to know the Lord, because all people, from the least important to the most important, will know me.” This message is from the Lord. “I will forgive them for the evil things they did. I will not remember their sins.”?

It is well... Stay safe out there

Kobojunkie:

Other believers? Did God command us to seek the counsel of these "other believers" before we accept what He commands or says?

I took those verses right from the Easy-to-Read Version of the Bible.

Doing God's will or accepting His commands is different from interpreting the scriptures. These are two different concepts.
And yes ,concerning understanding the scriptures,we learn from faithful witnesses who have come before us so that one day we can teach those who come after us. 2Timothy 2:2
It goes without saying though that ultimately Scripture properly interpreted is the final authority on all matters of faith. Not any body or organisation, hence why I wrote
jamesid29:
If you believe the orthodox reading is wrong(which is a possibility, as we learn everyday with new information), it would be great if you can work me through why you think your novel interpretation is correct..

I took those verses right from the Easy-to-Read Version of the Bible.

Quoting a scripture is different from interpreting it.
E=MC^2 means nothing except you tell me what it means and why it means what it means.
I'm asking you to show me how you arrived at your own interpretation and why it is truer to the Text as compared to the orthodox understanding of it.

Kobojunkie:

...Did God lie when He said, "People will not have to teach their neighbors and relatives to know the Lord, because all people, from the least important to the most important, will know me.” This message is from the Lord. “I will forgive them for the evil things they did. I will not remember their sins.”?

Sir,I believe I've already explained to you how you are misreading that scripture and I've also suggested you go lookup how other believers have understood it for over 2000yrs if you don't agree with my assertions.

If you believe the orthodox reading is wrong(which is a possibility, as we learn everyday with new information), it would be great if you can work me through why you think your novel interpretation is correct.

For starters, in your view and considering the context of the chapter
a) To whom was the prophesy intended for?

b)Which future was the prophesy talking about? Is it after the exile,before the resurrection,after the resurrection,at the second coming of Christ or at the age of the new heaven and new earth? Can you provide any Jewish or Christain thoughts that support the future you pick?

c)Can you provide any biblical quotation from any prophet or new testament author that sheds more light on the passage and supports your interpretation?

d)Can you provide any cultural context that supports your interpretation?

e)How does your interpretation fit into the overarching story of the Bible as a whole?

To be clear sir, this is not a test of intellect and I don't expect you to have all the answers but I believe if anyone is going to bring a new way of looking at the text, they have to show how they arrived at it so that it can be challenged and see how it holds up. Otherwise everyone will come up with their own private interpretation and there's no longer objective understanding.

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Kobojunkie:

How did God bring man into partnership with God in the Old testament?
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Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, the whole nation of Israel,Gideon, the judges,David, Solomon, the prophets etc.
To be clear, God partnering with man doesn't in anyway mean we are on par with Him or that He needs us. We are created to be God's images(representatives on earth, sort of like middle management) and even though man fell, the Bible story shows us that God in His faithfulness didn't give up on us despite we continuously dropping the ball but kept working through man to bring about His redemptive plan. Again as I said earlier, God does do things without any human agency but that's usually the exception not the rule.
Ironically the fact that God chooses to work with and through humans is one of the reasons why we pray and intercede for others. We are not called to be passive observers but to be active partakers in the story of our world. I know that's a bit of digression and we can spend a whole day talking on why we pray but I just wanted to quickly put that out there.
Lastly, Just because God chooses to work with and through humans doesn't mean we are the ones doing it, ultimately it is God who is bringing about His will.Ultimately God was the one who brought the children of Israel out of Egypt and not Moses even though God chose to work through Moses. God in His faithfulness decided to dignify us by making us partakers in His story.

What gives you the sense that now God still wants to keep that which He did in the Old testament, in this new testament ?

Covenants change, God doesn't.

As for the Jer 31:31-34 part, you don't have to take word for it sir. People have been reading the text for over 2000 years and you can read how others have parsed it over the years( right or wrong, the contention and discussions, commentaries and breakdowns etc).
One thing is we shouldn't read a scripture in isolation or we might read our minds into it. We have to read every scripture in its own context and in the context of the overarching story of the Bible.

Kobojunkie:
It is not a question of whether they are convertible or not. Contrary to what you may have been told, God converts His own all by Himself.

Did God lie? If you believe yes, then feel free to continue trying to shove God at them.
Funny thing is contrary to what your pastors/deacons/preachers/GOs/Primates have told you of Heaven, preaching the gospel will never get you into Heaven.. it is not even a requirement, as far as Jesus is concerned. He was clear about what you will have to do to get into His kingdom and preaching did not make His list.
God wants to teach the people by Himself! Going against God's own command in the name of doing God's work, are you certain you are doing God's work?

Actually that's not really true sir. If there was no need for preaching and engaging people with the gospel and truth about God, there won't have been a need for the apostles. Jesus won't have given the commission to his disciples to go and preach the gospel to the ends of the earth and paul& the other apostles won't have spent the rest of their lives in mortal danger trying to propagate the gospel everywhere they went.
Truth is , from the old testament to the new,God has always brought man into partnership with Him in bringing about His will. Not because He needs to (obviously He is God and there are many places in the Bible He bypasses human agency) but because He wants to.

Just like in the old testament, believers are called into partnership with God by spreading the gospel by words and deeds even though ultimately it is God the Holy Spirit that does the convicting and converting.
As in the old testament,God can and does bypass human agency in bringing people to himself if need be, either through dreams or visions etc as in the case of Paul (There are people who came to the faith this way today),but that is usually the exception not the rule. Most of the time people come to the faith by interacting with other believers.Romans10:14, Acts 10(Peter and Cornelius the centurion),Acts 16:9-33(Paul and the city of Macedonia) and so on.
God is Just and He will always get the knowledge of Him to all

As for Jer 31:33-34 you quoted, I believe you are slightly misunderstanding it because if you read it in context of the entire chapter, Jeremiah was prophesying to the house of Israel and Judah, that compared to the present covenant where they needed scribes and religious leaders to teach them God's law and how to implement it in their everyday lives(the Jewish Talmud is about 60 volumes), the new convenant will be written in their hearts and those things will no longer be needed as each person will know God personally. Compare that to the new testament where all 613 laws was pulled under one umbrella of Love(love God with all your heart and love your fellow humans as yourself). Basically the more you grow as a believer, the more you get know God and the less you need people to tell you what's right and what wrong in different facets of life.

hakeem4:
From what I posted, any Muslim or Christian who condemns those atrocities I listed up there are just trying to be ostentatious. He claimed that they were all commandments of the old testament.....

@bolded... Maybe, maybe not. It's your prerogative to believe either one and I respect that.
But like I earlier pointed out, nothing in your discussions with him was remotely inching towards the question of whether morality is inextricably intertwined with religion or dependent on it.
Anyway, it is well ..

hakeem4:
I never mixed religion with politics. I was just trying to tell you that religion is not the source of our morals

Nah, you are the one now being dishonest. Your initial premise was trying to rope him into saying Jesus was advocating for the breakdown in the rule of law.
What you just introduced now is a whole different concept and discussion entirely.

Maximus69:


The way Jesus commissioned Christianity it wasn't something you would just wake up one day and walk up into any building with the thought of being one of his followers.

You must have learnt so many things from his followers who were sent to come and teach you in your home, meditate thoroughly on what you've learned, pray fervently to God to help you in practicing this different and strange line of thought then prepare your mind for fierce opposition from all sides before you can become one of Jesus' true followers! Matthew 10:32-38

Thanks!

Sir, You just created a whole different version of christainity based on works.

How did Paul get saved or what was Paul and Silas reply to the jailer when they were asked what they need to do to be saved in Acts 16:29-33?

9because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.Romans 10:9–10 (ESV)

MuttleyLaff:
jamesid29 hey, long time no see around.

Baba Ravi Zacharias RIP, nailed the concept of trinity on its head.

Fact is, God can't be boxed. I love the multi-dimensional illustration Baba used and so why I stamped my like on that post.

Hey boss, yea it's been a minute. Hope you are good

Rozz:
wao thanks alot

You are welcome... Have a wonderful day

Hi rozz, I can understand what you are going through because I've been through it myself (the doubts, the questions and lack of adequate answers to these questions by those close to us). I can assure you, you are not alone in this.
Luckily for us, there have been those who have dedicated their lives in finding and giving adequate answers to these questions and we can pull from their works as we push on in faith. Please be rest assured that all the main tenets of the Christain faith including the trinity is firmly intact and unshakable.

This video by Ravi Zacharias is a good conceptual understanding of the trinity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kreSbagj_RM

If you would like a longer and more detailed lecture series that dive more into the theological aspects, kindly ask. I would be more than happy to recommend some videos.
Have a good one.

PS: just as an aside, on your worry about the word trinity not appearing in the Bible, there's a powerful statement that I heard a long time ago. "Words don't have meanings, meanings have words".
Basically concepts come first, then we later come up with words that encompasses these concepts. Eg the idea of individuals starting enterprises has been around long before the word "entrepreneur" came into existence and the idea of justification has been in the Jewish thought long before Paul wrote the word justification in the NT to encompass ideas that had been forming since the days of the OT prophets.
So you need not bother ,cos even though the word doesn't appear, the idea itself is deeply rooted in the gospels, the letters of Paul and even goes all the way back to the OT.
As for the part of if the Bible has been corrupted. This video might help in giving a good overview (it's a bit long but it's worth it).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ5cgQUJnrI

He would be found today in Jesus name

Maximus69:


Accepting Salvation has to do with knowledge! John 17:3

We need accurate before we can fit in to God's Kingdom, otherwise Jesus won't have taught his followers so much! Ephesians 4:13; Colossians 3:10; 1Timothy 2:4

You are really taking your scriptures out of context but anyway ,it is well..

Maximus69:


Nobody is here to puff up Sir!

We only do well to acknowledge it if we notice someone knows better than we do!

That's why the Pharisees decided to kill Jesus because they felt he humiliated them in front of the people who used to hold them as knowledgeable, please when you notice someone knows better than you, just ask for his source of wisdom that's all.

In the day of Judgment only those who have the accurate knowledge of God's word will be saved! Romans 10:2-3

The Bible begs to differ on that... It's faith in Christ that saves not any type of works or deep knowledge. Salvation is purely a gift from God to anyone willing to accept it... Ephesians 2:8-9, John 3:16, acts 16:30-31 and Romans 10 is actually also making the same point..

But Anyway,it's fine sir...

HappyPagan:


You just realized that I don't fear God? You're quite slow.

I don't think that was necessary but ....that's just me

Dtruthspeaker:
You mock and ridicule the murder of a Mighty King's Son and you think you shall escape the consequences?

Or you think you shall be able to bear the consequences when they shall come? Most especially when the King is watching and hearing you while you mock on and on?

In your world, people have suffered very greatly for shits Greatly less than this, (ask the man who bought Buhuri's daughter's phone).

Mmnh!

It's your soul, your suffer.

Good sir, the way the kingdom of God works is different from how the kingdom of this world works.
If we accept that Jesus is God and showed us what it would look like if the creator walked amongst us, then the way God works and who He is is radically different from what we would expect.

Jesus reached out to those that were considered outcast and sinners to be looked down upon(Samaritans,tax collectors etc), He knelt down to wash the feet of his own disciplines and even went as far as allowing humanities sin to crush Him for the sake of the same humans that would still reject His sacrifice. To me that's not a God that's is watching out for people mocking Him and just waiting to dish out punishments ,but a God, even though a God of justice, is still stretching out his hand of mercy and ready to meet anyone at whatever level they are in.

Maximus69:


My friend, the Bible's author claims to be the happy God {1Timothy 1:11} which means there is no other God that's happy!

God's word said idol worshipers will become like their blind, deaf, dumb and impotent deities! Psalms 115:2-8

If someone now claims to be a pagan and at the same time happy, what again does such a person need the happy God for?

Please learn how to answer each person according to the level of their intellect {Colossians 4:6} the Bible is complete Sir {Hebrew 4:12} these ATHEISTS are the most stupid humans on planet earth! Psalms 10:4, 14:1

Let's see how truly happy he can be {Job 5:13} now that he's bothered about what others believe (trust) yet he doesn't cherish the idea of the same line of thought! 1Corinthians 1:10

You need not give him the pleasure he seek {Luke 16:24-26} by discussing God's word with him {Matthew 7:6} they're thirsty for arguments, God's word admonished true Christians not to give them that pleasure! Titus 3:9

My good sir, the Bible says: We know that "We all possess knowledge." But knowledge puffs up while love builds up. 1 Corinthians 8:1b

Maximus69:

The main purpose of his coming is to help people gain lasting happiness, so once you are happy already, you don't need him!

Hmmm, that's not what the Bible says sir.