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KAG:
It all obviously depends on what type of Christian you were before your hypothetical deconversion. If, for instance, you were the stereotypical Christian blinded by fanaticism and closed to any type of logic or reasoning that you interpret as contradictory to the Bible, then becoming an atheist may help. You also tend to learn more.

if it is what u mean fanatical faith blinded to the reasoning (rebelling rebuffing in short anti athiest) of evolution and that i gain nothing then i prefer to be such a christian 4life. moreover i am already learning that there is nothing to be gained by being an athiest so i am sorry, i am stuck to my "delusion" for it gives a better hope of here and hereafter than athiesm.

read this confession from a serial killer i read from this website- http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2008/07/07/darwin-or-lincoln#fnList_1_1
“If a person doesn’t think there is a God to be accountable to, then—then what’s the point of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges? That’s how I thought anyway. I always believed the theory of evolution as truth, that we all just came from the slime. [b]When we, when we died, you know, that was it, there is nothing.
Jeffrey Dahmer, in an interview with Stone Phillips, Dateline NBC, November 29, 1994.[/b]

KAG:
It all obviously depends on what type of Christian you were before your hypothetical deconversion. If, for instance, you were the stereotypical Christian blinded by fanaticism and closed to any type of logic or reasoning that you interpret as contradictory to the Bible, then becoming an atheist may help. You also tend to learn more.

if it is what u mean fanatical faith blinded to the reasoning (rebelling rebuffing in short anti athiest) of evolution and that i gain nothing then i prefer to be such a christian 4life. moreover i am already learning that there is nothing to be gained by being an athiest so i am sorry, i am stuck to my "delusion" for it gives a better hope of here and hereafter than athiesm.

read this confession from a serial killer i read from this website
“If a person doesn’t think there is a God to be accountable to, then—then what’s the point of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges? That’s how I thought anyway. I always believed the theory of evolution as truth, that we all just came from the slime. [b]When we, when we died, you know, that was it, there is nothing.
Jeffrey Dahmer, in an interview with Stone Phillips, Dateline NBC, November 29, 1994.[/b]

Kai God bless ola for the way u logically answered mazaje.
mazaje i dont mean to state a win lose scenario, but please consider your consceince for once. i know its speaking to u that there is something u are ignoring. and above all i pray that God will have mercy on u so that u will flee the delusion satan has kept u captive via the medium of athiesm. God bless u

Christianity has been often accused of division into various denomination thus a reason the athiest have used to state that there is no God! i have observed that even among athiests there is no agreement on every issue. they disagree on issues.

however, even though we have many denomination, one BASIC point we all agree is that there is God, Father of our Lord Jesus Christ who is God! so even though athiest dont agree on every issue, they have one BELIEF - THERE IS NO GOD.

Now paul in his letter to the corinthians already say this division where some say they are after paul, peter etc and admonished them to be of one MIND. Meaning that the reason we are having a lot of different denomination with different doctrines is because we have our mindset different. thus we are admonished in Rom 12:1 TO RENEW (reprogramme) our MINDSET after Christ. so fellow christians lets renew our mind and then the unity of faith which paul stated WILL BE ACHIEVED.

so if becos of denomination that is why u dont believe there is God, Think again - even athiest are divided.

Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools (Romans 1:18-22)

hi all athiest, please if u dont want to accept my view, kindly do the above personally
Look within yourself and u will see what is of God in u for He has shown to u. please do this for me.

as i posted in another thread that there is a posibility that the jews (isrealites) were slaves in eygpt and a poster highlighted that the arabs came and destroyed the records that the eygptians had kept thus a possibility that the records about the jews might have been destroyed. so i believe that one day the posibility of the capenta's son - Jesus Christ - will be proved to exist but it may be impossible for them to accept it for satan will still send them deep delusion to reject the revealed truth. So every son of God on the forum hold on.

and if the Lord so wish, may show mercy on this athiests who have been blinded by the Devil who has deluded thier understanding to even believe that he doesnt exist.

Throughout this forum, this discussion rages on, but to me its not important because i see a divine hand at work thru thos that are againt or for God. so whether u are, He is ochestrating evrything for His glory.

keep up the snarling athiest, keep up the believing christians, we are pawns for the eternal pleasures whether we believ or not.

peace

jamiru:
Could it be that there is no known records of egyptian origin which buttresses the biblical account becasue

1. Due to war, some records were destroyed, carted away and kept somewhere and lay hiden away? (on yahoo recently i read how a ships grave yard was discovered at the bottom of the sea containing ancient artifacts. Also i read in a website whereby eygpt was attacked by rome and posibly there was destruction of records)

well this are hypothesis that we can work on to unravel.

a possibility has started to emerge destruction of records in the library by muslims. thanks jagoon pls link me with ur source.

sorry i think u r the one holding on to athiesm in the hope that it remains the way it is - just this life. why i dont need this other religion is becos
1. its my 'choice'
2. being a christian is choosing to be a fool to this world, and am proud to be 'delusional ' by following the bible.

and if He was a hitch hiker nko, does it make u troubled enof to speak like a troubled soul? well ur 'choice' is urs and mine is mine, abi.

but i feel more delight that i have nothing to lose  at all becos if today a knowledge shows that this is this but tomorrow it is overtaken by a superior knowledge, dont u think that tommorow there might be (using human reasoning) a possibility that there is more than the material world and it could then be too late? so i prefer to be a christian now and if there is nothing so be it and if there is something. . . so BE IT!

in another sense, athiest are like the kitchen knife that is sharp on one side (here and now) and blunt the other, christianity sharp on both sides thus a sword (here and hereafter). so i prefer to be a sword than to be a kitchen knife by continually believing in the words wrtten by kings, shepherds etc about an unseen God

y know wat i choose the God of my Lord Jesus! and yes faith to the otherman is gambling becos u have choosen to hold on to an idea even though u know that there is another option.

e.g 3 hebrew lads to nebuchanezar - aint bowing becos Our God will save us but even if He doesnt, and we die, we still wont bow, so faith is choosing to stand for sumthin even tho there is an option.

hmm i smell something is wrong here, where some pf the post have been removed. where i started getting the tots of athiest. seun why was it removed. it wasnt againts anyone.

well after looking at the various contribution, i conclude that it is not worth beeing an athiest. becos there is nothing to be gained.
yes call me whatever, i choose to be a FOOL for the sake of the kingdom than to be a fool that doesnt accept there is God.

just becos men are using the word of God to fleece men, that is not enough reason to be an athiest, for i have been warned by a tentmaker that i should be wary of deceiving men, who are afrter thier bellies and not after God. so if i allow me to be fleeced is my choice and not yours.

furthermore, if peradventure there is 'no' God, i dont lose,  becos i simple die and that is the end; but what if peradventure there is a God after all this, i wont lose becos i have chosen to believe He exist and a rewarder of them that deligently seek Him.

in addition, tudor post that is greed for power on high, well if thats 'greed', then so be it; than to be 'greedy' to believe that i am a god alone in this world which is what athiest are doing.


am human and i live to gain something even if it is mundane to others but maybe for the pleasure etc, i am  contented.
gain is my driving force and just to live for nothing die for nothing that is not me. i rather remain 'dellusional' in believing a God that you d\ont see than to be delusiional in believing in evolution that is speculative at worst.


finally, i chose to align with the 3 hebrew children that say even if thier God choose not to show Himself strong on thier behalf the will not bow; so even if after all my believing i will end up like a dog so be it than to bow to the god of athiesm.

hello

i tot we could help ourselves by providing to the forum, every sites that accept zenith websurfer/GTB mastercard in the following order

name of online site type of card(s)

e.g

www.amazon. com zenith websurfer

this could help the forum members to identify which sites acept what before sending thier hard earn money in the wrong place.

thanks

hi pilgrim.1 i once read how you showed how an athiest carried out a near death experience and believe that there is something/somewhere beyound the material world.

i lost track and searched but i couldnt locate it. help direct me.

well i find that athiest (some have tried) shy away from the above question.

huxley etc have not commented. so i can conclude that it is the general mindset of all athiest.

thanks

jamiru:
thx dudu & tudor

1. nothing
2. its only for the here
3. You won't get exploited by religious charlartans because you understand that God may or may not exist so you would demand proof for supernatural claims
4. You won't be easily brainwashed to go on terrorist missions
5. You can let go of the limitations religion places on your reasoning.
6. nothing again

next athiest. . .

so i can safely state that the above reason is why some humans prefer to be athiest or rather abbelieving athiest

thx dudu & tudor

1. nothing

2. its only for the here
3. You won't get exploited by religious charlartans because you understand that God may or may not exist so you would demand proof for supernatural claims
4. You won't be easily brainwashed to go on terrorist missions
5. You can let go of the limitations religion places on your reasoning.
6. nothing again

next athiest. . .

hi chris

thx 4 dat reply but can u explain clearly if u gain anything by being an athiest. . .

Horus:
@jamiru
You didnt answer the question: What is your previous hypothesis?

sorry pls ignore that line thankx

manmustwac:
what do u gain from being religious?

for now its about u not me, so if u have more reason state thx

thx mmw
absolutely NOTHING is what i gain! hmm! good that is number 1 answer i have!!

2ndly, its for the HERE only - what i see, feel, touch etc

next athiest. . .

gud thinking horus, u dont expect me to swallow hook, line and sinker what u presented and just keep quite becuase HORUS has spokken and that is final? never man, u too dont know all but are ever learning as well. . . and what i say might be a hypothesis that can be proven as more facts are unearthed.

lets make an assumption.

lets assume that after reading thru various threads u have created, to riducle christianity - lets assume other religion are put aside. and i have seen how u have presented your facts
1. There is no God
2. that the bible cannot be the word of a divine creator becasue of its contradiction
3. that we are on our own here with no divinity, supernatural, devils etc

now if ur assumption is true, WHAT HAVE U GAINED BY BEING AN ATHIEST and WHAT DO U HOPE I WILL GAIN BY BEING AN ATHIEST? u could kindly highlight point by point the benefits that entails.
thanks

lets make an assumption.

lets assume that after reading thru various threads u have created, to riducle christianity - lets assume other religion are put aside. and i have seen how u have presented your facts
1. There is no God
2. that the bible cannot be the word of a divine creator becasue of its contradiction
3. that we are on our own here with no divinity, supernatural, devils etc

now if ur assumption is true, WHAT DO I HOPE TO GAIN BY BEING AN ATHIEST? u could kindly highlight point by point the benefits that entails.
thanks

thx horus but strictly, i feel that is your hunch and it can be taken as a hypothesis not a fact. . . but remember i have stated that its a hypothesis that research can and will be carried out. therefore i still lay claim to my previous hypothesis. . .

hello all, after going through some thread i came across a thread where it was stated that The jews were never slaves in eygpt. well according to the findings so far. but i beg to disagree (based on my hunches) which made me to start a search on net on some possible reason why.

well lets start from here

Could it be that there is no known records of egyptian origin which buttresses the biblical account becasue

1. Due to war, some records were destroyed, carted away and kept somewhere and lay hiden away? (on yahoo recently i read how a ships grave yard was discovered at the bottom of the sea containing ancient artifacts. Also i read in a website whereby eygpt was attacked by rome and posibly there was destruction of records)

2. Due to maybe pride/pestige the egyptians have refused to document what occured to them as a nation?

3. Could egyptologist have not acccurately interpreted the signs of Hieroglyphics and thus have not given us the story from this signs?

well this are hypothesis that we can work on to unravel.

as i read thru some the post on nairaland, i have observed with keen interest the various ideas presented. however this is my humble piece.
we have very two main ideas

1. Those that believe in God they dont see/neither can prove, are fools
2. Those that dont believe in the existence of a diety are called fools

therefore, on either side of the divide, one must fall on one or the other. . . but NEVER both at the same time.

Thanks seun for this forum that has shade light. and as for me i go with the former set. fools laba 1

peace