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wirinet:
Noetic questions are very basic, so as not to accuse me of running away i will answer them, but i know a barrage of other cynic questions will follow;
As i had had explained earlier, it is very absurd and cynical  to ask if  someone observed physically, the first first chemical reaction of life. The only way a such chemical reactions can be inferred is through experiments like the Miller Experiment which was able to create all 20 protein forming amino acids necessary for life, and through the discovery of amino acids and many organic compounds in meteorites brought in from space, meaning a similar process occurred in the planets from which the meteor broke off. Also Jupiter is suspected to be awash with amino acids and organic compounds ( not life). So the process of simple inorganic compounds forming complex organic compound is fairly common in the universe. The compounds involved in the formation of life is Amino acids, phosphate groups, Ribose and Deoxyribose Sugars, bases,  Glucose, etc. These compounds dissolved in the primordial oceans to form "The Primordial Soup". And continuous and polymerization went on to produce the first RNA .

jamiru:
hello all

that wasnt what tonyt wanted to know. all we want to know is what DOCUMENT do u have that stated that there is no God/evolution.

u see my bible (toneyt document and mine) states that everything,
1. created by Him - John 1:3
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.[/b]KJV
2. speaks about Him - Rom 1:19-20
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the [b]invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
KJV

Now u say (no document) that from evolution everything
1. made was made
2. and the evidence is seen in the fossils etc

so my question (hope that was what tonyt was asking, kindly present the documents used to substantiate your claim or rather darwins claim. thanks

KAG:
I've posted it before and I'll post it again. For genetic evidence one need not look further than shared endogenous retrovirus insertions and the presence of chromosome 2 in humans. There are many others but I prefer those as they focus on the human inclusion in biological evolution.

noetic2:
@ wirinet
seems like u have no answers to my questions. . . .

noetic2:
a. If physical observation is impossible. . . what form of observation suggests that the first evolution process EVER took place?

b. what were the substances involved in this first evolution that took place?

c. Since according to you, the first evolution process took place before the first single celled organism was formed. . . .how could non-living substances produce these pioneer organisms? how could non-living substances produce life (organisms)?

a. by "not noticeable", do u mean invisible and unseen and unknown processes?

b. where are the repeatable and verifiable scientific evidences that suggest that short lived plants and insects including plants and animals evolve?

a. How was the simple amino acids formed?

KAG:
It didn't say T-Rexes evolved into birds. Instead, they share a remarkably close phylogeny.

manmustwac:
Dinosaurs evolved into birds. I foundout thru a simple google. (Why couldn't u google & findout for yourself?) Click on the link below for proof
http://www.sciencebuzz.org/blog/more_proof_that_birds_are_descendants_of_dinosaurs

And since you are now indirectly admitting that dinosaurs existed. Do u believe that they existed 250 million years ago before God created the Earth or do you believe that God created them when he created the planet?

davidylan:
what you "found out" was someone's unproven opinion not that dinosaurs evolved into birds. Dinosaurs were gigantic organisms . . . for them to have become so small as to "evolve" into the sparrow means that someday birds will become so small as to virtually become extinct?  

That is not evolution but DEVOLUTION! It makes no sense to insist that the horse "evolved" from a tiny ancestor while the birds took the opposite route.

Tudór:
Frow what i deduce from your posts, you're into religion for GAIN to satisfy your GREED.
hi tudor, are u not greedy also? well if my being 'greedy' for something better, i dont think is a problem of yours neither a wrong desire abi?
Man has always wanted to live longer and invented the afterlife as a feel good mechanism to escape the reality.
Are u sure scientist are not also working on prologing life on earth if possible stop the death process. why do we celebrate pple that live 100 or so years?

There are human laws, rules and regulations that when you go against them you get punished by the law.
That serial killer like any christian, muslim or idol worshipper can do, broke the law and he'll be punished. Every sensible person will modify his behaviour to acceptable standards in order to avoid punishment by the society.

I personally am more moral than abraham, moses, gideon and solomon put together. . .i dnt go around killing women and children, engaging in human and animal sacrifice,stealing and looting lands, having 700wives and 300 mistresses. . . .yet all these men are supposedly righteous in the eyes of your god. . .who punished moses for genocide and ethnic cleansing?


[b]you seee that is why i Love the bible - the word of God. God deliberately allowed men under His inspiration to write all this for my learning so that i dont follow after thier footsteps.and He is not afraid, to be scrutinized by man's finite wisdom, by stating that His servants did all that, however, he does not expect me to follow in their footsteps.unlike darwinsm which stated that their are superior species and less should be discarded & the strongest survive, weak ones be trampled to dead
T[/b]oday ex president of serbia Boris M. is facing trial and being brought to book in the hague.

Human laws are now capable of keeping us in line. . .we don't need phantom gods to fearfully maintain morality especially when the gods themselves are morally bankrupt and callous. . .case in point. . .allah and jehovah.

KAG:
That's your prerogative. You asked a question; I provided an answer. Of course I could point out that one needn't be an atheist to accept the validity of evolution and other sciences in general, or that more theists than atheists accept them; but I suspect, given your preferences, that it would be pointless.

thanks for stating the obvious - my rerogative

Before I respond to this quote, I have to ask you first, what are we to make of the religious serial killers? And since you are a Christian, what are we to make of serial killers that allegedly take their cues from the Christian God and read the Bible religiously?

Ok where are christian serial killers mentioned and have they confessed that they were after what God stated or did in the bible

Now to Dahmer. The point would be for the betterment of ones society and loved ones. One needn't believe there's a supreme being to act with love. In my opinion, showing love to others because you care is more moral than trying to do so because of fear of a supreme being.