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Culture › Re: The Bini-ife Seniority Crises: Science To The Rescue by jellea(m): 12:04pm On Apr 02

samuk:
Could you show us from your 1485 to 1506 citations where Benin was said to have had any relationship with Ife. Let me even make it easier for you, show us any citations or references from 1400 to 1800, a period of 400 years that says Benin had relationship with Ife.

2. Show us where Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan were mentioned in Benin history in the 400 years before 1826.

You don't come here to throw around references without any specifics, pretending to know what your are saying, we have gone beyond that.

If you are saying Benin had any relationship with Ife between 1400 to 1826, you have to point it out in your citations and references.

Benin history was written down. You guys have been mutilating it to your advantage since you knew how to read and write.

I can bet you that none of your pre 1826 references even mentioned Ife specifically by name. If you say I am lying show us.

What you guys have been doing is pick a story/place from Benin history books and claim it as Ife not minding that the name, distance and direction of the place mentioned have no semblance to Ife.

The relationship Benin had with western Nigeria before 1826, was with eastern Yoruba, Ekiti, Owo, Akure and others such as Oyo and Lagos. Infact Benin already annexed and had a military garrison in Lagos that reported back daily to the Oba of Benin as early as 1602.

I repeat nothing in either Benin or Yoruba history books before 1826 mentioned Benin in connection with Ife.

Benin/Ife connection is a political history written in the late 1890s. This is why the relationship can't be proven earlier than the 1800s. Others like yourself have tried to prove it and failed woefully in the past, maybe you can take a stab at it and prove me wrong.

Others like yourself usually retorts to insults after failed attempts before running away from the thread, hope you will be different, please bring forth the evidence of Benin/Ife relationship before 1826.

I pity you, only if you know the beating TAO11 has received on this same subject in the past one year

This is 100 percent true. In fact I think slaves returnees and missionaries played huge role in this as they were trying to create new identity for the Lukumis

Culture › Re: The Bini-ife Seniority Crises: Science To The Rescue by jellea(m): 12:01pm On Apr 02

Dbeloved1:
The ancient benin people told the Portuguese of a mighty kingdom in the hinterland(precisely the direction of Ile-Ife, whose King is powerful, and revered, and from whom they received staff of office.

Guess the name of the King? ------ OGHONE/Ogane

Lies! They were talking about Eze NRI. They even mentioned another powerful king close by. All are situated east of Bini. Igala Nri and Bini had connection. The ife in Bini history is located in kogi.

In fact the Lukumi migrated from that area and spread South west. Mainly of NUPE people

Culture › Re: Bini - Ife Relationship Is One Of The Most Political Stunt In History by jellea(op): 4:00pm On Mar 26

Please this thread is not for touts. Like I said this is a political stunt from slave returnees. Also if I remember well, there is internal power struggle between ogisos and oba. So it was easier for the oba camp to claim this origin to legitimize themselves. Additionally it could be a mistake, because and they could be refering to Ife in kogi. But I'm 100 percent convinced this a false history

Can you provide any documents from 15th century?

Culture › Bini - Ife Relationship Is One Of The Most Political Stunt In History by jellea(op): 3:35pm On Mar 26*

Early Portuguese records from the 1400s–1500s describe Benin in detail but never mention Ile‑Ife, Oduduwa, or Oranmiyan. Instead, they document Benin’s connections to eastern regions such as Igala, Nupe, and Isan, including the priest‑king known as the Ogané (Nri). This strongly suggests that Benin’s early external influences came from the Niger–Benue cultural zone, not from Yoruba lands. The absence of Ile‑Ife in all early European and Arabic sources undermines the later claim that Benin’s monarchy originated from Ife.

Archaeology and linguistic evidence indicate that Yoruba‑speaking peoples likely emerged from the Nupe–Igala–Borgu region, gradually moving southwest into their present locations. This explains the similarities they share today, but in opposite way as modern historians have turned this upside down as if these group were the one that came from Yoruba. Their spread was shaped by wars, slave raids, and population displacement, not by ancient settlement from Ile‑Ife. Many Yoruba communities in Dahomey, Togo, and Ghana arrived there through the Atlantic slave trade, Oyo–Dahomey conflicts, and Nupe raids. This explains why “Lukumi” captives—Yoruba speakers—were sold through Benin and Elmina in the 1400s–1500s.

In the 1800s, thousands of Yoruba slaves returned from Brazil and Cuba (the Aguda). These returnees, along with missionaries and colonial officers, helped rewrite and standardize Yoruba history, elevating Oduduwa and Ile‑Ife into a unifying origin myth. This modern narrative replaced older, more complex memories of northern origins and regional migrations.

Another major point people ignore is what happened in 1897.
When the British invaded Benin, they burned the palace, killed many palace officials, and exiled Oba to Calabar. This wasn’t a small disruption, it completely destroyed the traditional system that preserved Benin’s history for centuries.

The palace guilds responsible for keeping the oral records and the royal historians were killed, scattered, or forced into hiding. The archives, shrines, and royal objects that carried historical memory were burned or looted. After this, the Oba’s court no longer had the same continuity of knowledge.

This is important because Oba's children were young and displaced, and even the number of his children is unclear today because the records were destroyed. His son only became Oba in 1914, long after the old system had collapsed and under full colonial control.

So the question is simple:

If the custodians of Benin history were killed in 1897, who exactly was left to preserve the original traditions?

The answer is:
After 1897, Benin history had to be reconstructed by whoever survived — colonial officers, interpreters, Christian converts, and later writers like Egharevba. This is exactly why some stories, especially the Ife–Benin origin claim, only appear in the 20th century, not in the 15th‑century Portuguese documents.

This isn’t about insulting anyone — it’s about understanding how a violent colonial disruption created space for new narratives to replace older ones.

Politics › Re: How Zik Stopped Nigeria From Breaking Up In 1957 + much more by jellea(m): 12:48am On Jan 25

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1AHoaHJQ6D/

What was awolowo saying here in 1957?

Culture › Re: Why Ife Is Not Yoruba Land, It Belongs To The Igbos - Ooni by jellea(m): 8:43am On May 14, 2025

TAO11:
Cc: Obalatule

Lol! I’m glad I made someone learn something new — which is that, the Igbo Ukwu ‘bronzes’ themselves were not scientifically dated.

But I can understand why you still feel how you feel even after reading the author’s own culminating remarks, i.e. his summarized position.

If I had cited Babatunde Lawal et al., that would have been a different question. But instead I cited Thurstan Shaw himself.

He incorporated a Summary into his work to clarify any misunderstanding you may likely glean from the technical body.

His summary shows clearly that the date associated to the ‘bronzes’ are uncertain and hence non-factual.

How else does he have to say that the ‘bronze’ dates are non-conclusive?

I think I would ask you to do a line-by-line re-phrasing of his summary in your own words if that helps.

Now let’s do it. I’d be waiting for your own re-phrasing of each of the following lines:

(1) “SUMMARY” — What in your own word(s) does this mean?

(2) “In the discussion of the reliance which should be placed on the Igbo-Ukwu radiocarbon dates, it is necessary to make certain that what evidence we have is correctly used.” — What in your own word(s) does this mean?

(3) “The precise locations of the samples used for dating are recalled and possible sources of error discussed.” — What in your own word(s) does this mean?

(4) “Consideration is given to the arguments for a date later than that suggested by the radiocarbon dates, •••” — What in your own word(s) does this mean?

(5) “The latter is probably the most serious objection to a very early date,” — What in your own word(s) does this mean?

(6) “but the question will only be settled with the acquisition of more archaeological evidence.” — What in your own word(s) does this mean?

Cheers!

I knew this TAO11 was a fraud the first time he tried his superiority complex theory with instead of facts. Im glad that there are people calling him/her out. With the time he spends trying to fabricate things, I can tell you is more than passion, someone is sponsoring her.

Culture › Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by jellea(m): 8:39am On May 14, 2025

TAO11:
You’re coping 🤣 It says:

Igbo, Ibo, Slave 😂

No. Are you really looking at the same document as I am? It's simply means at the time of this writing, the majority of captured transatlantic slaves were Igbos. This is well known because Benin sold lots of Igbos with the help of Portuguese and British later on

Culture › Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by jellea(m): 11:39am On Feb 06, 2025

TAO11:
You’re coping 🤣 It says:

Igbo, Ibo, Slave 😂

I do understand your sense of superiority because you think your ancestors conquered some of our ancient land. First it was Ife and then igodomigodo.
Many Igbos don't really know this, but I'm sure we will get these lands back

Celebrities › Re: Thank You Sir: Paul Okoye Says As Peter Obi Visits Him & Jude Okoye by jellea(m): 6:09pm On Aug 14, 2024*

Namaster:
No wonder Obi LOST so BRUTALLY and COMPLETELY!

He has absolutely TERRIBLE judgement. Very BAD judgement.

Several pieces of evidence have been provided that prove that Jude is a HORRIBLE traitor who diverted MILLIONS OF DOLLARS of his brothers' money for his own selfish reasons. And that Paul is a LIAR who supports Jude and alienates his twin brother for fighting for his rights.

Yet Obi is showing SOLIDARITY with people with such QUESTIONABLE characters.

What do you know? Do you know if he knows the root of this problem? Why has other artist that are friends with psquare still side with Paul and Jude. Are they all stupid? And do you think grown man like peter obi did not talk to Peter already or after? Just emptyhead people full Nigeria . Sew below post from 2016

Celebrities › Re: EFCC: I Did Not Petition Paul But Jude - Peter Okoye by jellea(m): 9:32am On Aug 14, 2024

It seems both companies have been in a existence for long now, and it doesn't seem like Jude was hiding it. See screenshot from his Twitter abi Instagram bio back in 2016-17 I think

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Culture › Re: There Was No Oyo Empire by jellea(m): 10:18pm On Aug 03, 2024

caye:
Excellent revision of history!
If I may understand you, the Oyos never had an empire that extended the whole of Yorubaland to parts of modern Benin republic?

And the claims of Rev . Johnson ,( a black man,) is nullified simply because a white skin does not agree to the claim if an empire?
Ok.
Simple test:- why did Lísàbí fight the Oyo off and established Abeokuta, and why was he extremely angry about the fact that the Oyos had brought all the other sons of Oodua under them, paying Isakole to the Oyos?

Why are Yoruba's also found as far as Togo, Ghana and Dahomey?
Is it a fact that unless a white-skinned stranger acknowledged your own claims, it is invalid?

Dahomey defeated Oyo and enslaved lots of people from Western Nigeria. In fact Abeokuta was formed by combination of Dahomey slave soldiers and native slaves runaway. You have no idea of history. What you think about Yoruba today are all revisionists done by Yorubas slave returnees who learnt the power of mass Media.

Culture › Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by jellea(m): 2:38pm On Aug 03, 2024

TAO11:
yeah, i’m running away from helping you. help urself by bringing the evidence for whatever you type. don’t just type it. prove it.

igbo = slave (typed. also proven below)

Sometimes I wonder how you guys got you're brains.. above simply means that mostly Igbos were captured during slavery. Why was it calles ibo slaves instead of just ibo? Imagine these are the people I share this country with. I'm glad rest of Nigerians are beginning to see what you people are 😂.

You are not even ashamed of what your ancestors did. Just like Arabs occupying Egypt and calling the original owners of the land Nubians. No difference 😂

Culture › Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by jellea(m): 8:27am On Jul 20, 2024

TAO11:
no i’m not helping you with anything. prove what you typed.

Is this how you run away? Haha 😂. Dahomey slave solders descendants

Culture › Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by jellea(m): 1:45pm On Jul 13, 2024

TAO11:
you admitted that you made a mistake & you’re trying correct yourself.

but instead of blame yourself for your own mistake, u told yourself that taking responsibility is abomination in ala-Igbo, hence you should blame me for your own mistake. lmao. u even said it’s my smoke that made u make the mistake. igbos will be homo-sapien 1 day😂

anyway you’re still wrong with ur so-called correction.

get your falsehood together. is it that:

(1) there is nobody in igboland & igbos came originally later from chinese in china; OR

(2) there’re igbos in igboland & these igbos traded with chinese & the goods reconfigured their genes & some chinese changed magically to igbo & came to Nigeria to join the remaining igbos; OR

(3) igbos married chinese (just like people marry each other from anywhere within or outside Nigeria) & thus chinese have changed & are now igbos; OR

whatever the incoherent jibber-jabber that you wrote is should sha be substantiated with evidence.

Listen I'm not here for childish debate. Debunk anything I said with facts, not your usual running around the bush. The people you call Yoruba today migrated from Mali. Before then, igboid people lived across western Nigeria. Igbos are not one people.

The term Igbo is synonym to BUSHMEN. from these same group of people came later kingdoms like igodomigodo, oyo etc. even the origin story of these recent kingdoms always point to this fact. For instance Obatala in. Yoruba and Ere and Iduu from igodomigodo. As you go back in these respective tribes history, you begin to find only igboid names. Why would your ancestors answer Igbo names, but today answer different names if not that they got conquered by people from outside their tribe. In this case, it was Muslims from Mali.

In the south eastern part of the country you can still find undiluted culture of these ancient groups that lived in this hinterland. Why people like you exist is because Nigeria as country is filled with illiterates and people that don't question any fabrications made by modern day Yorubas in the 20th century.

Culture › Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by jellea(m): 9:43pm On Jul 02, 2024

jellea:
It's a mistake, ife bronze are 15th century... From 1400 to 1500s. I don't know what you are smoking.

Even with your Chinese anology, if you had more Chinese mixed kids than native, what does that make you?? Keep diverting discussion. Prove me wrong with facts

Culture › Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by jellea(m): 9:42pm On Jul 02, 2024

TAO11:
now make up your plastic mind: 1500s or 14th century? (those are 200 years apart dummy 😅).

oh okay, if we allow enough trading time between igboland & china, it would eventually magically prove that igbos are chinese. shebi i said, you’re too stupid to be alive. 😂

It's a mistake, ife bronze are 15th century... From 1400 to 1500s. I don't know what you are smoking.

Keep diverting discussion. Prove me wrong with facts

Culture › Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by jellea(m): 8:08am On Jun 29, 2024*

TAO11:
what a heap of rubbbbish?🤣

ife bronzes were made in the 1500s? lmao 😂 is it this same brain you use to run your daily activities? 🤦🏾‍♂️

ibos import goods from china, therefore ibos are chinese. you’re almost too stupid to be alive.😂

Isn't ife bronze that of 14th century? What did I get wrong?
How many years has the Igbos traded with Chinese and do they practice their religion or speak their language? Yet we have considerate number of mixed Chinese kids of Igbo ancestry.

In the case of Yorubas, it's been more than 600 years, you practice their religion, and untop of that, they were alot of conquering kingdoms from there. I don't know why you think this is false

https://www.farooqkperogi.com/2022/04/where-are-descendants-of-malians-in.html?m=1

Culture › Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by jellea(m): 1:43am On Jun 29, 2024

TAO11:
What about when you type, you also put evidence? 🤣

The equipments used for ife bronze in 1500s was imported through Gao. Alot of Yorubas are Muslims. How did half of you became Muslim if not through western migration and series of conquering. This is long time ago before Fulani migration.

The problem with some of us is that we always try to claim seniority over others, and Europeans know this. They use it to keep Africa divided for long. If you pay close attention, Europeans will never tell the story of your Yoruba civilization without first starting from those area of Mali (linking it with Arab era). Because they don't want to attribute any invention to the so called sub Saharan Africa, nor do they want to agree that West Africa had trade routes eastwards to the Nile Valley (Igbo ukwu glass beads).

And in the beginning I told you that I don't really believe that Igbo language is related to Yoruba. This is mainly because both languages is spoken with different tones etc. there are similar words between them because most territory occupied by modern day Yoruba were conquered territory. They mixed up with the local igboid groups and adopted some of there words.

I'm not saying this to claim superior or whatever, because as I said earlier,Igbos are not from one ancestry. Infact it's just a word like Bushmen of south Africa. Even Igbos call themselves from another clan, onye Igbo.

You may not see this in history books ofcourse because westerners don't want the idea that sub Saharan Africa either developed independently or that they are related to the Nile Valley civilization. This is the main reason.

I'm very sure that they assisted most Yoruba graduates in 19th century in revising lots of history of West Africa. Maybe placing Yoruba at top, but the end game was to make it look like West Africa never invented anything by themselves. It's a long run game. Most Yorubas will understand it later.

Even Eastern Africans are now waking up, and rejecting all the 19th century British history given to them. They have started connecting there oral history. This is not just west Africa thing. This was at the height of slavery. They have to justify the reason for enslaving Africans

Culture › Re: Why Was No Study Nor DNA Extracted From Human Remains Found In Igboukwu 1937 by jellea(op): 4:57pm On Jun 28, 2024

The pictures below illustrate my points exactly. I need clarification from any African archaeologist on why there are no ongoing studies on this.

It's clear that Eurocentrism has already excluded this from the general worldview. However, we Africans should endeavor to find the truth. Based on this paper, it's certain that there was extensive trade eastward between the Igbos and Chadians to the Nile Valley. This could also explain the cultural similarities between both groups.

Culture › Re: Why Was No Study Nor DNA Extracted From Human Remains Found In Igboukwu 1937 by jellea(op): 12:22pm On Jun 28, 2024

Obiedun:
Always blaming others. Why can't you or other igbo do it all this while?

I did not expect this response from you. In my closing remark, I clearly asked if someone else have looked into this so I can learn more

Even if we can solve this by ourselves, how else can I do it if not by creating awareness about it first.

Nawa for una bitterness

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Culture › Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by jellea(m): 12:18pm On Jun 28, 2024

TAO11:
Wait, you said it’s from Hausa language, & I debunked that & you ran to Mali & said it’s from Mali language. I debunked that too & you’ve ran back again to Hausa.

Do me a favour: Please make up your mind. 🤣

Also, bring here the Hausa dictionary where you get it from. If it’s too heavy, tow it. Just help yourself. 😂

By the way.👇🏾😭

One thing I noticed is that you are acting like we are debating. I'm just telling you facts. You are actually the one jumping from one goal post to another.

I said Yoruba are mainly migrants from Mali and western Africa, via Muslim raids. However the name YA.RI.BA was given by the Hausas.

Benin people enslaved lots of Igbos during Atlantic slave trade, after Portuguese gave them ammunition. Even today there word for slave is IGBON. But that's not the meaning of the name.

Igbo is similar to saying Bushmen as you have in southern Africa. It's referring to ancient group of Africans that have resided in this tropical area for long. Even you Yoruba inherited this world from the inhabitants of western Nigeria when you conquered them. That's why you call bushy areas as Igbo.

Culture › Why Was No Study Nor DNA Extracted From Human Remains Found In Igboukwu 1937 by jellea(op): 11:58am On Jun 28, 2024*

This post concerns the origin of the Igbo people. Personally, I believe the Igbos do not have a single ancestry. In fact, the word "Igbo" is synonymous with "Bushmen." It encompasses various ancient groups of Africans living in this tropical area.

Regarding the Igbo-Ukwu excavation, it seems that white scholars had no interest in revealing the origin of the ancient Igbo people. I believe this is because it may establish a link between the Igbos and ancient Kemet. Kindly remember that hundreds of glass beads were found during this same excavation. Furthermore, they established that some of these beads may have come from, or gone to, Egypt. However, this study has never truly made any headlines because they are afraid to reveal the truth. It is commonly believed that the Sahara Desert was a barrier between West and North Africa.

I would be happy if anyone has looked into this and can explain why the Igbo-Ukwu findings are not making waves regarding Igbo identity, trade, and origin.

Culture › Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by jellea(m): 10:19pm On Jun 20, 2024

TAO11:
My ancestors from Ife conquered Benin around 12th century — you already said you know this.

So what did they re-write? Did they say they didn’t conquer Benin? They didn’t deny it nau. They admit it.

Edo dictionaries admits it. The map drawn in the 16th century also show it. So what are you really saying?

None of these was written/drawn by Yorubas. So leave Yorubas out of this.

Igbo call us betrayals? lmao 😂 Why? We agreed that we will let you destroy our land.

Then we later stopped you at Ore, dealt with you and didn’t allow you destroy our land. We’re betrayals. 😂

Y.A.R.I.B.A?? 😅 Hausas say that word does not exist in their language.

Check a Hausa dictionary, or if you are illiterate, then ask any Hausa around you.

✌🏾

Y.A.R.I.B.A means deceiver in Hausa. That's what they call. Even nairaland banned the word here . That's why I'm writing it in initials. Yorubas you guys are terrible. 😂

Culture › Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by jellea(m): 10:14pm On Jun 20, 2024

Mali here is just pointing to the map. That's the direction you came from before mixing with Igala, Igbo and iduu people in Southern Nigeria.

In the map, the ogane n uhe is either eze Nri or attah igala. Stop wasting your time. Why dont you call oni of ife ogane?

You can take more money from your sponsors to spread your fake history! Saboteurs

Culture › Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by jellea(m): 2:10pm On Jun 14, 2024

im really laughing at you. ogane is what the call spiritual leader east of benin. stop bringing stupid reference from remmants of oromiyon conquest from benin. they are the ruling house now and you expect them to tell the truth.no, because they will be kicked out. i know fully well that people will wisen up someday and kick you out back to mali.

Culture › Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by jellea(m): 2:03pm On Jun 14, 2024

TAO11:
My ancestors from Ife conquered Benin around 12th century — you already said you know this.

So what did they re-write? Did they say they didn’t conquer Benin? They didn’t deny it nau. They admit it.

Edo dictionaries admits it. The map drawn in the 16th century also show it. So what are you really saying?

None of these was written/drawn by Yorubas. So leave Yorubas out of this.

Igbo call us betrayals? lmao 😂 Why? We agreed that we will let you destroy our land.

Then we later stopped you at Ore, dealt with you and didn’t allow you destroy our land. We’re betrayals. 😂

Y.A.R.I.B.A?? 😅 Hausas say that word does not exist in their language.

Check a Hausa dictionary, or if you are illiterate, then ask any Hausa around you.

✌🏾

yoruba is from Mali

you did not conquer Edo but IDU. and the name of the kingdom is igodomigodo. and the way you conquered it is not really through war per say but through deceit. you impreganted igbo girl who was the child of the ogiso.. thats was the pretense. your whole extistence lies in decet.

yes yorubas rewrote history from 19th century. thats our topic here. Portuguese docs made mention of spiritual leader EAST of benin and in the later versions of the book, this is was rewritten by Yoruba to mean ife. even ife was an igbo town as well. ododuwa himself said he met them there. why do you have igbo house in ile ife?

Culture › Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by jellea(m): 9:39pm On Jun 11, 2024

TAO11:
I understand your point of view.

I didn’t conquer Benin kingdom, it was my Yoruba ancestors who conquered Benin kingdom & the igbos near there.

So stop blaming me for what my ancestors did.

Incase you misunderstood me. I'm only referring to the rewriting off historic information in the late 19th century by Yoruba historians.

And you saying I should not blame you, while all you do is propagating the lies. I'm very sure that you are being sponsored to do this.

You know I'm an igbo, and I'm much more smart than you think. I know what you guys can do.

There is a reason Igbos call you betrayals and Hausa calls you Y.A.R.I.B.A, meaning the same thing. It's left for everyone to dig your history properly all the way from Mali.

Culture › Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by jellea(m): 6:16pm On Jun 10, 2024

TAO11:
the 2 dictionaries are edo dictionaries. (wait, process that for a moment before you continue reading).

also, the map is from the 1500s. what is earlier? 😂

yoruba the batrayals. i am ashamed of you guys. i dont have any issue with any individual, but you guys are one of the biggest problem in africa for the roles you played in aiding british and portuguese.

you conquered igodomidogo, an igbo civilization and imposed your own son to the throne. now you are using that same bloodline to write edo dictionary. like wtf do you take me for? do you think im a kid? what is a edo? what is edo language? you guys are very shameless .,

Politics › Re: Why Did Our Ancestors Build Pyramids In Egypt And Sudan? by jellea(m): 6:03pm On Jun 10, 2024

wizrose:
I don't think Susan has Pyramids

The only one am aware of is Egypt

lol Sudan has more Pyramids than Egypt. you people are still sleeping on european lies. Italian thieves tried to destroy all Sudanese pyramid. also Arab republic of egypt flooded the remaining ancient sites in Sudan.

Culture › Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by jellea(m): 6:28pm On May 19, 2024

TAO11:
and if so, how is the ooni not the great one when the benin call him oghene as you see in their dictionaries?

see file-1 for edo dictionary by agheyisi (1986) & file-2 for bini dictionary by melzian (1937).

All these you are bringing here is a revision done in later centuries. Do you think you I have time for these local games you are playing. Grow up

Culture › Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by jellea(m): 8:42pm On May 08, 2024

TAO11:
no it doesn’t merely seem, it is indeed not. lmao 😅

your second point about ogane is so hilarious 🤣 you had agreed on this thread that the benins of old send
messengers from benin to the ogane requesting that the ogane please confirm the new benin king

but suddenly that the map is verified, the ogane must now be the same benin king who sends to the ogane.

basically the new incoming benin king is in benin and then he sends message to himself living far away that himself living far away should please confirm himself living in benin to become a legitimate king. lmao 😂

doesn’t this sound like crase man talk to you? loool.

anyway the benin term oghene which the portuguese guy transcribed as ogane is not benin king o 😂

see file-1 for edo dictionary by agheyisi (1986) & file-2 for bini dictionary by melzian (1937).

have peace. cheers! 😁

how old are you please? ogane means the great one. im not here for banter stop bringing these yoruba corrupted histories.

Culture › Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by jellea(m): 12:19pm On May 08, 2024

TAO11:
Lmao! Why are you ignorant and still arrogant in your ignorance?😂 You have a brain, so why not use it?🤦🏾‍♂️

Name of Map: Tabula Moderna Prime Partis Aphricae

Cartographer: Martin Waldseemuller.

Period: Early 1500s.

Location: Strasbourg
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Anyone with a functioning brain would first fact check the above details before rushing to reply.

Your next reply would inform me—whether you have simply been ignorant, or you’re an 'agnorant' person.

Show me any map earlier than the one I cited which shows Benin. Just one earlier than 1513 with Benin.

Mind you don’t just bring any map here, you must be able to demonstrate that it is earlier than 1513.

Cheers!

I just checked and it seems the map is not fake. also ogane there is for benin monarch. thats how they referred to him before they started calling there benin.

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