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kingxsamz:
Lol, long story
I never claimed my friends and family had the power to do and undo. If you can attribute not being able to bedwet to some 'god', (which you have been told that it has nothing to do with spirits and gods) then you shouldn't complain when people point out the priorities of your so called god.
The funny thing is that you people complain and criticize Buhari, but when it comes to your god you'll begin to perform mental gymnastics.

Wetin concern me with una Buhari?

You see the issue, you are doing what you are trying to criticize.

Jumping from one inconsistent point to another.

You have no framework for your argument sir.

You don't go about arguing and making points based on your feelings and whatever you want to think.

That's not how debates work. You can watch debates of intellectuals on YouTube to improve yourself.

The point is..you have no framework. You are trying to create a non existent framework that some how because God exists, there shouldn't shouldn't problems. You have to first prove that framework for your argument to work. And prove why he should answer one person more than the other.

Secondly you have to also prove the OP's case isn't a miracle. And give a rational explanation why he prayed for something that had been disturbing him for years and said it must stop in August and it stopped that same August.

Tell us why it isn't a miracle and a logical backing to your solution. Not that rubbish that the other person was saying it was encoded in his genes to stop at that time. Isn't that a miraculous coincidence

kingxsamz:
Lol, who told you I'm interested in what you said to that lady?
I just find it funny that you folks are celebrating this while chidren are dying form cancer. Reminds me of people who say their god helped them cure their back pain or find their missing car keys.

So what exactly is your point?

That people have a personal relationship with their God shouldn't celebrate when they ask him things and he gives them?

Oh, why do you celebrate when your parents bought things for you or gave you gifts? Why do you celebrate when your friends give you gifts?

Wh are you even happy at all, when there are people around you suffering that you, your friends or you parents could help?

Why don't you go about moping, and mourning all the time because you are the most caring person in the universe for the sick and the poor?

When Jesus was being blessed with an expensive gift in the bible and Judas told the person with the gift Why didn't she instead give the money to the poor, why didn't Jesus say " oh yeah, you're right, the poor are suffering and dying l, they need it more than I? What did he say instead, He claimed it was better what she was doing at the moment and there will always be poor people.

Hypocrite! forming love and care for people they don't know, yet they can't help the people around them.

For your mind you must be more loving than God na...and somehow God not curing some children of cancer must prove Him nonexistent, init?

Sorry, your argument would have been valid if the bible showed you that because God is existing there will be no more problems on the earth.

Why didn't God save the babies being killed by Herod?

Well, if you can answer that, then you have an argument.

Until then, don't come and form false smartness anyone.

When you start moping around for the rest of your life for the suffering of humanity, then we can take you serious.

kingxsamz:
Lol, you Christians are funny and delusional sha.
So your god is more interested in "curing" this man from bed wetting than healing kids who died from cancer recently?

Strawman.

When you guys do not have points to back up in a debate. You bring in strawman tactics.

How can you survive in a debate of intellectuals?

Workch:
Let me bring it down to your level so you grasp it.

Event one: The prayer stopped the bedwetting because he stopped bedwetting after the prayers (stupid logic though, it’s a pity that I have to bring it up because of your level of reasoning)

Event two: Sosoliso aircraft crashed after it was washed using a liquid soap, it means that the liquid soap caused the crash.



Two similar line of reasoning, I hope the second event will make you see how ridiculous the first is.

My goodness. Trust me you ain't as smart as you think you are.

What you called logic isn't even logic. Trust me you can't stand in a debate of intellectuals.

See your reasoning..chai.

You are just jumping from one unconnected prognosis to another.

You said the prayer part is stupid logic. Yet without any proof that the prayer isn't responsible.

You mentioned probability earlier...so what is the probability that someone who prayed for a bedwetting issue that had had for years to be stopped in August and it got resolved that same August..what is the probability that it wasn't the prayer?

What is your proof that it wasn't a miracle?

Now let me make it easier for you to understand.

Probability is based on randomness. The more random an event the more it is considered a probability.

Someone praying and saying today a certain situation stops and it stops at that moment isnt considered a probability. This like in the OP's case is considered a 1:1 event. Supposing he prayed the prayer vaguely in the month of August and he received a solution the next 5 months, the probability at least becomes 1:5 (actually far much more random).

But in OP's case he narrowed down such narrowness by declaring it has to happen at a certain time. Which made it far less of a random event.

So the Onus is on you to prove otherwise.

And not spoutong some sosoliso whatever that has nothing whatsoever in the logic of your argument.

Like mehn..I have met many atheists and they aren't even smart. I have come to the conclusion that it's mostly unintelligent people that are atheists.

That is how Bill Nye the famous atheist scientist said we were created by aliens. Oh, so it's easy to say we were created by aliens but not an all powerful being?

The insanity.

Workch:
There is no statistical figure at any level of significance to say that the event or praying is not mutually exclusive to the curing of bed wetting.

You are resining a primitive ape. No data to extrapolate that.

There’s high level of data that links bedwetting to DNA. It’s statistically significant.


It seems you just started basic logical fallacies hence you try to showcase your brittle eloquence in that regard

You just contradicted yourself with your first paragraph.

This is why I mentioned conditional probability.

You see, that's the problem with many of you. You don't have extrapolated data but you already have the explanation. Saying its encoded in his genes at that particular age.

Besides, his sets of circumstances and encounter even makes a case of conditional probability to be null.

Probability is based on different types of randomness, and when a set of activity is said to be in array (wether you like it or not) it is not considered a probability.

So the Onus is on you to use his own sets of "array" to prove a case that it wasn't a miracle.

You can't just go outside the sets of given "data" (array) and provide a conclusion from thin air without consideration of his own circumstances.

I know all these confuses you.

Workch:
The lessons of probabilities and combination taught in mathematics is a waste in your regard.

Total waste of time teaching you that aspect of maths if you still reason this way

Rubbish strawman analysis.

Trying to from mathematician to a STEM professional.

You don't even know how to use probabilities.

Do you know what a conditional probability is? Does your logic even fit a probability theory that should be based on sound logic?

Let me not even start with you.

Workch:
It will stop whether or not prayers are made and controlled by the gene, if it’s not encoded in the gene for it to stop, there’s nothing your prayers can do about it.

It stopped for op at 19 because it has been encoded in the gene that way but op is a religious person who doesn’t understand basic science, he thinks prayer stopped. Even when we have overwhelming evidence that it stops anyways in almost everyone.

Mr man.

What you are saying does not hold water. Are you the one who encoded it in his gene?

And the reason why I am against you guys so called non miracle explanation is because I have had 2 experiences as such myself. Which I shared to someone here some days back.

And mine was Alcoholism. An Alcoholic who's throat would itch him for a drink. And after prayer, In a party I drank and was digusted, tried drinking again and was disgusted and couldn't finish drink and that was the end with my Alcoholism.

So I guess it was also encoded in my DNA to stop just some hours after prayer at that particular point in time. Why not a day before the prayer?

Workch:
I am telling you that bed wetting Is totally normal in a lot of teenagers and it’s controlled by the DNA.

Stop being ignorant and learn How stuffs work. The gene has been identified long before now and you guys want to take us to the Stone Age with your ridiculous set of beliefs.

You have not still said anything. You are busy focusing on the problem which many of us already know and not the way he got the solution.

Provide explanation why his resolved case isn't miraculous based on the solution he sought. We don't want what other teenagers went through.

Workch:
I bed wetted until I was 18.

Bed wetting has a strong genetic undertone in kids and adolescents.

A gene called the “bed wetting gene “ has been identified in human DNA, it usually responsible for bed wetting in adolescence.

The gene plays a vital role in impulse signaling between the brain and the muscles of the bladder.


Nigerians like to believe anything linked with the supernatural without properly taking steps to find out

The question was provide an explanation according to the OP's own circumstances.

Not your own story.

Give us a rational explanation. If someone were to give a story of how he had a migraine headache for 15 years and one day he goes to someone and the person says drink this plain water to be cured and instantly he is cured of a 15 Yr ailment, you can't just sit down in the corner of your house and say, well, that's fake how can a glass of water cure a migraine nothing miraculous.

You have to give an explanation.

So give us one according to his own set of circumstances.

You are trying to form intelligent but even your own argument against his cannot hold water at a peer review.

Provide proof based on his own circumstances.

doggedfighter:
This is not a testimony nor a miracle.




Nothing spiritual about this.

So why don't you give us the rational explanation based on his circumstances in the story.

We will be waiting.

[quote author=Shootlion post=105266004][/quote]Bros, abeg keep quiet if you don't understand the agreement Trump made.

Trump withdrew thousands of Troops. Kept 2500 in Afghanistan. Saying he can't remove them yet.

Why?

He has to first remove allies, weapons and US citizens.
He said this in press conferences on why he can't remove the remaining troops yet.

And he also promised a retaliation if ever the Taliban broke the agreement.

Mr Biden on the other hand did the total opposite.

Go and watch the news to see what's happening instead of staying in a corner and assuming what you don't know.

One man's lack of efficenct strategy has caused chaos across nations.

The Democrats doctrine:
1. Reverse Trump policies.
2. America last
3. When it inevitably leads to worse results, blame it on Trump.

Is it also Trump that is responsible for the Southern border crisis?

Meanwhile Kamala Harris is busy talking about buying Christmas presents early.

olu77:
I don't have to argue with you since that will not change your opinion and since you are a better Christian than I am.

Many of you think you are Christians simply because you claim so and because your signatures has Jesus in it but by your fruits we know who you are.

You are so angry right now that if I were standing in front of you, you will hit me. Why? Because I said the truth as I saw it. We are all here to learn and if there is any lesson in your anger-filled-argument, I will take it and move on

Na so.

Again with the false generalisations. And false non existent controversy.

You see my point?? Well, you don't.

Ciao.

olu77:
No, you have comprehension issues. I was talking generally about nairalanders who will be happy that these people they consider as worst sinners will be killed. That I quote someone does not explicitly implies that I am attacking the person and by the way I used 'some of us' not 'you' referring to righteousness2

Stop twisting narratives.

Where are the nairalanders who are Christians that are happy with such?

Many of you just bring strawman arguments and divert people's attention from the main message someone is trying to pass.

You "implicitly" attacked the guy's message.

olu77:
The people we consider as worst sinners are even better than some of us hypocrites. Religion breeds most of the hatreds in the world today, Jesus came to put an end to religion but religious people killed him with hatred.

Many comments here on this thread from people who think they are Christians will be that of hatred towards these LGBTQ people but I am certain Jesus would have wine, dine and show them love eventually winning their souls. Remember the story of the good samaritan? What about Mary Magdalene?

Anybody that thinks he or she is Christian should ask themselves these question: who is a Christian? A christian is someone that loves unconditionally. Jesus hate sin but did not hate sinners

So, how did you get the message of hate from what he posted?

Some of you that I see comment online especially on YouTube comments I wonder if there is a spirit of division in you guys or you just have comprehension issues.

Righteousness2:
The whole Afghanistan thing is a sign to the Earth Inhabitants.

A Dead line was Given,
Many didn't believe it will Happen,
Some Were able to go out! Many left behind to face the Taliban Beast.
Believe it or Not!
This is a RAPTURE Scene!

Preach.

@SKhanmi God bless you.

I saw that same scam and hidden agenda on a documentary.

joeluv:
You don’t know nothing. Trump withdrew all the troops and left only 2500.

You quoted the wrong person

Richieniit:
Go and sleep joor... Backward people.

Before Trump left the office he signed acknowledgment to withdraw all troops and us army.

Just open your mouth and be yarning NONSENSE

You are very ignorant.

He signed the deal, but they had a strategy that Biden and his incompetent team refused to follow.

Trump removed thousands of Troops and kept 2500 saying he had to remove the Allies, US citizens and weaponry first before the deadline.

Biden did totally opposite.

xpool:
Why do people have short memories?
Trump started the withdrawal of American military from foreign lands. He advocated it vehemently.

What is wrong with you people with half information?

Please go do research on Trump's negotiations and strategy in withdrawing troops that Biden and his incompetent team refused to follow.

How can you withdraw troops without first evacuating US citizens, allies and weaponry?

socialmediaman:
You think they should be on the streets between people are killing their countrymen in another country?

Yes, because Americans are stranded in that country.
Including American students.

EndBuhariNow:
I don't know why Americans are not marching on the streets demanding for Sleepy Joe resignation yet

Most are busy with TikTok

FactBoyz:
Lets tell ourselves the truth, Biden is a weak president. His international policy since he came to power has been total chaos. Just look at the Southern border Trump worked so hard to protect...

Even CNN and MSNBC are roasting him these days following the fall of Kabul

Two humanitarian crisis under that guy in just 8 months of him being in office.

expertman:
Congrats. But what most of them does is they create fake tokens and then post online for other Nigerians to buy.

After people start buying they will just jaapa with people investments .

They make money from altcoins not bitcoins.

You sabi.

Jack360:
I knew tribulations will come as a sign of the coming of christ but never knew it would start from edo state...
So sad
May God help us all...AMEN

Hahahahahaha

bluefilm:
We said it will eventually come to this.

They called us Conspiracy Theorists.

Enjoy the Mark of the Beast.

Because without the Mark of the Beast, you cannot buy or sell.

This is a thing now in New York.

You can't buy things in many places without the vaccine pass.

ninth:
Gender reveal live on Instagram @ 8pm??

Who are the jobless followers that are so interested in this type of things sef?

And you wonder about the state of society.

Doyou2019:
You're just another poor dumb BMC. How can you even know what 'intelligent' is?

All these small kids. You think I care about your Apc vs PDP banters?

You guys should learn to put some respect to your elders and find something proper doing with your lives instead of wasting it online gossiping and ranting over people who don't know you and are making something of their lives.

Griping and complaining from morning till night yet nothing to show for all the complaints. And most of you are the same with the politicians you insult.

Hypocrites. Look at the mess of your country all of you have contributed to.

Disgusting.

Vaughanlanrewaj:
Dear sir, only the enemies of Nigeria hate Alhaji Lai Mohammed . That's one of the best ex-Chief of Stafff Lagos State has ever had. He is not only an experienced Lawyer,  he is a brilliant administrator and a communicator with first degree in French Language yet he was not from a rich background. He is old enough to be a father to many of you .


If you are old enough to know who Alhaji Lai Mohammed is, you will know that you still have a long way to go in your own life and you don't cover such milestones in life if as a youth one spends all his or her time on Nairaland. It's particularly an unwise use of time hiding behind the anonymity of this kind of platform to run down others. Seriously,  for most of you,  Lai Mohammed is the least of your problems,  what you need to deal with first is the consequences of bad character of living different lifestyles online and offline , bad upbringing and highly addictive self imposed idleness. 

May God bless Lai Mohammed and other patriots . May God bless Nigeria. All the enemies of Nigeria will always lose .

I love Reading intelligent writeups.

Kudos.

Teewhy2:
want to ask if in most develop countries roads are blocked when president is passing a place?

Yessir...any other questions?

SARSCoV2:
You cannot pull out Trump's statement and shifting goal post

Hello! Trump proposed he will pull out US troops from Afghanistan.

And mind you, Bidens move is valid. Americans can't be dying and tax payers money wasted on a war that will NEVER end.

Take that to the bank.

I know many of you here are not rational thinkers..and based on all you wrote, it shows you don't even know what you are arguing about.

Firstly,
Trump was the one who made the deal to remove troops out of Afghanistan not Biden.

Secondly, Trump already removed thousands of Troops and left behind about 2000...refusing to remove them yet..

Why?

Because

1. It wasn't yet safe as he said in many press conferences.

2. American Civilians and weaponry had to be evacuated first.

3. Ensure U.S allies are safe in the country. And those with SIV passport are given safe haven.

4. When it has been deemed safe..then pull out the last remaining 2000 American troops.

4. If the Taliban breaks the deal, Trump sends back Troops to retaliate with force.

But guess what Biden did?

Totally opposite. Threw caution to the wind.

Pulled out all the Troops.

Left all the weapons.

Left a biometric record device that exposes to the Taliban who the US allies are.

Left the Allies.

Left over 11k American citizens trapped in the country.

And When the Taliban took over..he didn't care.

Now they don't even know how to rescue the American citizens.

Now a hotline had to be created for US veterans who served in Afghanistan so they can't commit suicide due to PTSD...and guess what, calls where off the charts...because of the trauma Biden has caused them.

EternalBeing:
Can you see how so happy, indivisible, inseparably bonded and strongly connected this Couple that recently married as Virgins are? Even if you are no more a V, you can encourage the upcoming Generation to make their own coming Era far better, nothing is impossible! Like if you agree that marrying as a Virgin is the best for our World's peace and progress!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u1v2ol9zBU

This video you posted. I have been seeing it recommended to me on YouTube. And when I saw the title, I was annoyed.

So things that are meant to be private have now turned public property because of social media follows?

This generation sef.