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I know its Hillary that will win.... Not that she's the best candidate though... But its so glaring...

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jiggaz:
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QUESTION = I still have a question regarding Satan. If he was in heaven he must have believed in God. He was a guard of God’s throne. He must have at one time loved God. He let the sin of pride creep into him. Isn’t this an early and prime example of how one could lose his or her salvation by turning against God and letting sin take over in one’s life.

If you follow the OSAS theology you would have to say that Satan was not really saved or believed in God to begin with. The bible is very clear that Satan will be thrown into the lake of fire.

ANSWER = The doctrine of Eternal Security (OSAS) is unique to the Church. It does not apply to angels, it didn’t apply in the Old Testament, and it will not apply after the rapture. But speaking to the Church Paul wrote„

Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come. ( 2 Cor. 1:21-22 )

At the moment of our salvation, God accepted responsibility for us by putting His seal of ownership upon us and sealing his Spirit in our heart. He did this to guarantee our place in His kingdom. No other group had been or will be blessed in this way.

For more detail on the nature of post rapture salvation, click here.

https://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/osas-and-satans-fall/

LiberaDeus:
Please take it easy with her.
But don't you think that your god can save all this confusion once and for all by using his might and power to communicate one doctrine to all humans that can't be falsified.
This doctrinal disputes caused the inquisition of the middle ages, caused the French religious wars and has caused so much bloodshed throughout history and people have died in this so called wrong doctrines. There are at least 10000 Christian denominations in the world. Why won't your god just end this confusion once and for all.

Why does his truth always have to emanate from the mind of a so called prophet spouting a revelation that cannot be confirmed independently but only by faith, this is the foundational problems in most religions and the cause of disputes even in Islam, Buddhism, hinduism.

Now see you and your fellow Christian sister, you guys can never agree on the doctrine of hell cause you are interpreting the scriptures one way while she does the other way, no way to confirm. Shouldn't there be an objective standard of testing and verifiability among the brethren.

My problem with her type is that they always condemn Believers & Unbelievers alike to Hell Fire.. They keep this holier than thou attitude and feel that they are better than everybody and look down on fellow believers who doesn't follow their doctrine. I hate hypocrisy!! Cos they are not better than other people!! If not for Christ Jesus, nobody is good before God ... Are they God to determine the eternal destiny of people? Instead of her to preach the Gospel Of Christ which is all about Love & The forgiveness of sins, she keeps preaching condemnation and condemning people to Hell. That is not the Gospel. God is love not a sadist.…

Yes, Hell exist but it is not part of the Gospel. Tell people about God's love and the total forgiveness of sins... It is the goodness of God that brings repentance in men. Not by preaching condemnation and condemning them to Hell.... Yes we need to tell them that those that reject Christ have chosen eternal separation from Him, which is Hell. But its not good to condemn people to Hell.....

Just preach the good news and let the Holy Spirit do His work of convicting the unbeliever. We cannot do the work of the Holy Spirit.... Jesus is Lord.

Yes Lord

Slikbae:
You are still propagating this false doctrine. Instead of following what these men say why do do a thorough study of the bible. Jesus Christ stated clearly that not all who call him Lord Lord or work miracles will enter into his Kingdom. He clearly stated that fornicators, adulterers, thieves, etc will not enter heaven.
So who are you to say otherwise? Most of those NDEs you read of are in line with the gospel of Christ. They are always centered on genuine repentance and living in holiness and righteousness in Christ Jesus. You only debunk them because they're not compatible with the "once saved always saved" doctrine as orchestrated by Joseph prince and the likes.


If the owner of a house tells you he will not let you into his house until you meet a certain criteria and his neighbour tells you his master will let you in, who would you believe? The owner of the house or the neighbor?

Mr or Miss Hell Fire, you are soo ignorant!! You are calling the Gospel of Christ a false doctrine? I can't engage you cos am above your reasoning.

Read my lips, all those people that died and woke up and claim to see believers and pastors in hell are all Liars!!!! There is no believer in Christ in Hell....

I don't engage Hypocritical / Judgemental Christians like you, i am above your league, so go find your kind.

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TomHagen:
License to sin.

Does anyone need license to sin before? That's how humans think but not God. Preaching about law, sin & hell fire doesn't produce holiness in people, rather it produces pseudo-holiness..... Christians only become Holy and Good in church and before their brethren but when outside the church, they commit the worst atrocities. That's not the type of holiness God wants.

But the Gospel of Grace will set you free from condemnation and you will end up living a holy life accidentally. This is because, when you hear about the goodness of God and His amazing love for you through Christ Jesus, you will not want to hurt the One that loves you sooo much.... Grace is the power of the Gospel!! Not Law or Mixture ( i. e Law + Grace ).

kachi19:
I'm not a good Christian tho but so many times I believe God isn't fair. cos we have so many good people that have died, they strived to stay in the good side of the world tho they don't know God but according to la Bible they'll go to hell. I think that's the essence of dying; for eternal rest. Good people deserve a paradise when they die cos it takes a lot to lead a good life....
And Christians who didn't blot out a sin before dying, likely going to hell? maybe, maybe not! No one can tell. A Child of God who has been a devoted Christian, one day had a hot fight with wife and she accidentally killed him? well, Ahdunno wat he's gonna tell God this is how he died oh... God should pls adjust his terms and conditions for heaven common entrance oh even if Na gate man I will do

My broda relax yourself. Anyone that places their trust only in Jesus Christ for their salvation is saved 100% and will go to heaven when they die. Salvation is the work of God and its a gift to us, all you have to do is believe, place your trust in Christ and allow the Holy Spirit to do His work in you. It is by grace you were saved through faith in Christ Jesus and not of yourself lest anyone boasts.

About good people not making heaven, my brother you reason like a man and i don't blame you. Before God, nobody is good. That was why He sent Jesus to die for our sins. It is our belief in Christ that justifies us before a Holy God, not the works we do. Cos He said our righteousness is like a filthy rag before Him. So when you place your trust in Christ Jesus, God imputes you with His righteousness and that is what Justifies us.

Those people that died, you don't know their belief and besides, Christ still visits people in coma for a chance to accpet him. God is just and not a sadist like religious people have painted him. I used to think like you before, but since i discovered the gospel of grace which is the real gospel of Christ, my mentality changed!! So many people will make heaven, those you don't even expect to see. Don't let man made religion discourage you from serving God. What matters is your relationship with Christ not how religious you are. Religious people are like the Pharisees, they claim to be holy outside but their inside is filled with filth!!

I am not religious, i don't care for man made religion and their rules. All i care about is Jesus Christ and His Finished Work on the Cross!! Click on my profile and read the Christian articles i posted, you will love it. The Holy Spirit will liberate you from man made doctrines & condemnation!!

solite3:
Yes it is possible for a christian to end up in hell only because he allowed the sacrifice of Jesus to be of no effect in his life.
Remember we stand by faith in christ. through faith christ gives us the power to overcome sin and the devil,he also gave us the knowlege of God and his kingdom so that we can live a new life.

Hebrews 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;


But some christians love the world and her ways too much just as esau sold his birth right because of a porrigde. Christ died to reconcile us to himself but we must to be reconciled to God.

2 Corinthians 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

No believer in Christ will end up in hell.... if it is so, then that means that all the promises God made to us are not true. But you know what? God cannot lie.

Believers ending up in hell is a man made idea. All those people that died and woke up and said they saw believers in hell are all liars... most of their visions are not Biblical. So many promises were made by God on how secure we are in our salvation. Believers can experience lapses in their walk with the Lord but they always come back.... e.g THE PARABLE OF THE PRODIGAL SON.

For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Rms 8:38-9)

When i say Believers in Christ, i don't mean Church Goers that comes to church every Sunday without knowing what it means to have Christ as their Lord and personal saviour. No, am talking of people that trusted in Christ for their Salvation. One thing i know in this life is that i don't judge anyone cos i don't know their belief and their relationship with Christ. Men judge by what they see but God judge by the Heart.

As you can see, i believe in the 100% grace of God... grace and grace alone. You have a different belief, so i think it will be in your own interest not to comment on my threads cos you might find them offensive to your thoughts. And i personally don't like arguing..... So to avoid any clash of opinions, it is better you don't comment cos we can never agree. I respect your opinion, so respect mine too.... Live and lets live, that's my policy. Every mallam with im kettle.

solite3:
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.

What is the fear of the Lord in the life of a believer? It means the worship of the Lord.... Fearing the Lord doesn't mean a slavish fear of the Lord like in the old testament. Rather, to fear God means that you are in awe of him because of His love and goodness......

The fear of the Lord in the new covenant of grace is not the slavish fear of the old covenant of law..... We are now sons, no longer servants.....

jiggaz:
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