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promise10:
Welcome bro.
I can see your good work here. Stay tight and keep it up.

udatso:
Thanks

jiggaz:
evening...

udatso:
Thanks for your reply.
There are other things You mentioned that I would have loved to talk about but for the sake of this thread, I will stay focus to the point.
So if this is a gift with no strings attached (besides believing in the finished work of Christ (pbuh) ), does that means such a believer has licence to commit all forms of crimes.

promise10:
okay.

God as an intelligent designer created man. Of which at the end of the day, they rebelled against God. *just to keep things short*

Now when they committed the sin, the sin they committed killed them spiritually by separating them from God. By the sin they committed, sin entered the world. And sin contaminated the world and brought most of the things we are suffering from today.

However, because we have been separated from God through sin, we need a saviour, who will reconcile us back to God. of which, through God's love for the world, he has offered a himself as a saviour.

Since the whole world has been contaminated, nobody was qualified to save us and reconcile us back to God.

Moreover, before we can be reconciled, justice has to be met. what is the justice? The justice is that the wages of sin is death. In other words, for the whole world to be saved, justice must be met, the wages of the sin of the whole world has to be paid for through death.

For this to be done, God from himself, created an incarnate son of himself in the person of Jesus. And for the ransom he offered to be qualified, the ransom has to be sinless, if not he has to pay for his own sins first before paying for others.


Now, God commended his love towards the whole world in that while we were yet sinner(liars, fornicators, criminals e.t.c), jesus christ came and took the punishment of our sins.


Finally, the nature and architecture of our belief is that, if we confess and believe that jesus came of God and that he died and was punished for our whole life sins, we shall be saved. it means that if my punishment was punished on Jesus, then God will no longer punish me, because justice demanded has been met. Otherwise, he is committing a sin of double jeopardy. God follows justice.


That's why the bible says that eternal life is a gift that has been paid for, by the punishment of our sins that was laid on Jesus. And that it is not of our good works, but a free gift.


if you need any biblical proof for the above, then you can ask me for it.

God bless you.

sonmvayina:
No am not...i know what God is and what it is not..i just dont have time for the BS man had built around the concept..AKA Religion.

sonmvayina:
It is God that is responsible for both good and evil..so what is jesus saving you from? Read isaih 45:1-10 and Lamentation 3:38..

sonmvayina:
No wahala...you must surely learn and know. even if it takes you a million life times.....everything hidden will be laid bare...

What is the distinction between the intermediate (present) Heaven and the eternal Heaven (the New Earth)?

When a Christian dies, he or she enters into what theologians call the intermediate state, a transitional period between our past lives on Earth and our future resurrection to life on the New Earth. Usually when we refer to “Heaven,” we mean the place that Christians go when they die. When we tell our children “Grandma’s now in Heaven,” we’re referring to the intermediate Heaven.

By definition, an intermediate state or location is temporary. Life in the Heaven we go to when we die, where we’ll dwell prior to our bodily resurrection, is “better by far” than living here on Earth under the Curse, away from the direct presence of God (Philippians 1:23 ). Still, the intermediate Heaven is not our final destination. Though it will be a wonderful place, the intermediate Heaven is not the place we are made for. It’s not the place God promises to refashion for us to live in forever.

God’s children are destined for life as resurrected beings on a resurrected Earth. We must not lose sight of our true destination. If we do, we’ll be confused and disoriented in our thinking about where, and in what form, we will spend eternity.

Will we live in Heaven forever? The answer to the question depends on what we mean by Heaven. Will we be with the Lord forever? Absolutely. Since Heaven is where God dwells, we’ll always be in Heaven. But will we always be with God in exactly the same place that Heaven is now? No. In the intermediate Heaven, we’ll be in Christ’s presence, and we’ll be joyful, but we’ll be looking forward to our bodily resurrection and permanent relocation to the New Earth.

It bears repeating because it is so commonly misunderstood: When we die, believers in Christ will not go to the Heaven where we’ll live forever. Instead, we’ll go to an intermediate Heaven. In the intermediate Heaven, we’ll await the time of Christ’s return to the earth, our bodily resurrection, the final judgment, and the creation of the new heavens and New Earth. If we fail to grasp this truth, we will fail to understand the biblical doctrine of Heaven.

Everything hinges on the resurrection. God does not abandon our bodies, nor does he abandon the earth itself.
It may seem strange to say that the Heaven we go to at death isn’t eternal, yet it’s true. “Christians often talk about living with God ‘in heaven’ forever,” Grudem writes. “But in fact the biblical teaching is richer than that: it tells us that there will be new heavens and a new earth—an entirely renewed creation—and we will live with God there....There will also be a new kind of unification of heaven and earth....There will be a joining of heaven and earth in this new creation.”

Let me suggest an imperfect analogy to illustrate the difference between the intermediate Heaven and the eternal Heaven. Suppose you lived in a homeless shelter in Miami. One day you inherit a beautiful house, fully furnished, on a gorgeous hillside overlooking Santa Barbara, California. With the home comes a wonderful job doing something you’ve always wanted to do. Not only that, but you’ll also be near close family members who moved from Miami many years ago.

On your flight to Santa Barbara, you’ll change planes in Dallas, where you’ll spend an afternoon. Some other family members, whom you haven’t seen in years, will meet you at the Dallas airport and board the plane with you to Santa Barbara. You look forward to seeing them.

Now, when the Miami ticket agent asks you, “Where are you headed?” would you say “Dallas”? No. You would say Santa Barbara, because that’s your final destination. If you mentioned Dallas at all, you would only say, “I’m going to Santa Barbara by way of Dallas.”

When you talk to your friends in Miami about where you’re going to live, would you focus on Dallas? No. You might not even mention Dallas, even though you will be a Dallas-dweller for several hours. Even if you spent a week in Dallas, it wouldn’t be your focus. Dallas is just a stop along the way. Your true destination—your new permanent home—is Santa Barbara.

Similarly, the Heaven we will go to when we die, the intermediate Heaven, is a temporary dwelling place, a stop along the way to our final destination: the New Earth.
(Granted, the Dallas analogy breaks down big time, since being with Jesus and reunited with loved ones in the intermediate Heaven will be immeasurably more wonderful, to say the least, than a lay-over in Dallas! But hopefully you get the point.)

Another analogy is more precise but difficult to imagine, because for most of us it’s outside our experience. Imagine leaving the homeless shelter in Miami and flying to the intermediate location, Dallas, and then turning around and going back home to your place of origin, which has been completely renovated—a New Miami. In this New Miami, you would no longer live in a homeless shelter, but in a beautiful house in a glorious pollution-free, crime-free, sin-free city. So you would end up living not in a new home, but a radically improved version of your old home.

This is what the Bible promises us—we will live with Christ and each other forever, not in the intermediate Heaven, but on the New Earth, where God—Father, Son (eternally incarnate) and Holy Spirit—will be at home with his people.
Of course, God will no more be confined to the New Earth than He is now confined to the intermediate Heaven. God is everywhere present. But his special dwelling, what he regards as his home (and ours) will be on the New Earth, where He will dwell with His people.

Revelation 21:1-3 is explicit on this point: “Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth....I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God....And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, ‘Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God’” (Revelation 21:1-3 ).

Heaven, God’s central dwelling place, will one day be with his resurrected people, on the New Earth.

For more information on the subject of Heaven, see Randy Alcorn ’s book Heaven .

sonmvayina:
when, i was growiing up i used to think Jesus was the most important being in christainity..But Nooo, he is not. it is the devil..because without the devil there is no christ and christanity..So when i grew up the question i asked my self was: Why will i loving God/father create the devil to toment his children?.until i found out the devil is just a new testament creation so that the jesus just created in Nicea will be accepted..The almighty God i know is responsible for everthing whether good or evil.even if the devil exist, its duty must surely be to obey the will and command of its creator..if not it will be put out of existence..so with that knowledge, i asked my self again : who/ what is jesus saving me from? If God is responsible for creating the good and the evil and nothing happens until God says so..(Isaih 45:7, Lamentation 3:38). That was when i realised that jesus was just a roman creation due to the fact that the devil has been elevated and given the power it never posses and God made to look like a weakling..that to me is an inssult and mockery..and trust me..such deception must be punished..very very soon...

jiggaz:
morning.

sonmvayina:
Jesus is a mockery against God...a big insult against God. all those who started and perpertuated the scam will be destroyed accordingly...in due time...

Zackpraise:
tanks am bless