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And DL is none of yours. Your out. Keep your opinions to your faceless assembly that requires your focus more.

frosbel: none of your business , I have not invited anyone including you to join an organisation , church or fellowship.

I am a Christian.

And you're the one that has the truth right? You left. DL is none of your business now. Your faceless, covert, 'hidden' local assembly is.

frosbel: Should we keep mute when error is being taught ?

So you can be definite on the identity of the one(s) you term 'false' and vague on the identity of the one(s) you call 'true'? And you really think there is any 'light' in this submission?

shdemidemi: Anyone who teaches the gospel according to the scriptures is not false. You can list all the 'big' pastors you know, as long as their teachings and practices are not inline with the gospel, they are false.

Really? You are accountable for your pronouncements. Was that pronouncement by the Holy Spirit or your flesh?

shdemidemi: Mr Kumuyi is definitely a false teacher and that is the issue at hand. I believe frosbel is just being permissive by not mentioning what the issue really is.

That is the issue. There is no assembly that doesn't experience people using the door, either joining or leaving. Its all by choice. How does the false prophet or the antichrist relate to the issue at hand? I think all of us have access to the Bible and God's Spirit.

shdemidemi: Is that the issue? No matter what you and I do, it as been written that false prophet will come out within the church. Not just that, the man of sin, the son of perdition will rule and claim he is God. The bible actually says he is with us controlling the affairs of many churches but he will be revealed on the day Christ appear. All we can do is to draw as many as we can from the gospel of the devil such as gospel of condemnation, prosperity, and all other contemporary gospels that are not according to the one and only gospel of Christ taught in the scripture.

And since people leave virtually any assembly for some reason (s), does that make all assemblies evil? Can you start a ministry where everyone agrees with you? Tell us where it is

frosbel: we are to expose evil when and wherever we see it.

The door you used is accessible by all. Allow people to arrive at their own conclusions which shouldn't compulsorily be the same as yours. Surely your new local assembly needs your focus more than the DL you left

frosbel: I don't believe in sweeping dirt under the carpet.

People leave almost every ministry. Can you name an assembly where no one leaves? People have their reasons for joining any ministry just as others have reasons for leaving. Everyone is where they are by choice. Fellowship where you choose or where God leads you to. That can be anywhere.

HARDDON: j leave sentiments.... call a spade a spade.

there are alot of pastors who broke out of your ministry and formed theirs and are doing very well today.

God is not after the hypocritical looks( just like the pharisees in time past); he is after the heart. for out of it are the issues of life. chastity has nothing to do with carrying smelly hairs bounded by robes. it is not about not making up and not wearing gold.... it is not!

It is not about those poverty mentality. you mock God by appearing thus.

If you wano go to heaven like Lazarus, it is your sole choice.

why Wud one be born again and be poor? why serve God if there lies no benefits? no greater life?

And you call what you are doing "exhortation"? As a former member, why not focus on where you are now?

frosbel: are we not called exhort the brethren, or is deeperlife not part of the wider church ?

Should that be his business when he is not a DL member?

flourishG: it's his business cos dl teaches anti cross n double standard messages, one message for Nigerians n another gospel for western world.

Former member. You used the door which everyone else can. So how is it still your business? Not trying to impose your feelings for leaving on those left? People are not tied down by chains. They can arrive at their own conclusions. Its still an individual race. You're not the only one that has access to a Bible. And shouldn't you be preoccupied with wherever you are now?

frosbel: it becomes my business as a former member when you try to laden the sheep with man made doctrines and burden them with guilt for not obeying these same man made laws.

In other words you are misleading people by making them put their hope in a man and denomination instead of Christ and his word.

So how does DL now become your business?

frosbel: I owe you nothing but Love in Christ, where I fellowship aint your business.

Is that your answer?

frosbel: are you a JJC to this forum ?

False Brethren. The law of Moses that formed the canon before grace and truth came by Christ and calvary. Whats the correlation to the question at hand?

shdemidemi: The same way the Jewish sect tried to in galatians 2


4 [My precaution was] because of false brethren who had been secretly smuggled in [to the Christian brotherhood]; they had slipped in to spy on our liberty and the freedom which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might again bring us into bondage [under the Law of Moses].

"Imposing?" Where was this? On this forum?

frosbel: false visions of hell and heaven, imposing a deeperlife standard of dress and gospel etc.

And just how has he tried to bring others under bondage?

frosbel: Wrong my deeperlife friend, I fellowship and encourage fellowship, but there is a difference between fellowship in a healthy environment where brethren are allowed to ask questions, debate scripture and doctrine, test all things and hold onto that which is good and an unhealthy environment where there is unquestionable loyalty to the leader of a denomination like yours , because he is infallible , cannot err and therefore cannot be questioned or called out on any church doctrine, this is not the pattern Christ set out for us.

I refuse to allow you deceive others and bring them under the bondage of legalism in your church.

Lets be careful not to misinform. The writers and the contents of the apology letter were not ambiguous. Its for those who have chosen to identify with DL as a family inspite of abundant options. More of God's blessings on the new home

HARDDON: the wedding was done right in the church.... you have no idea the controversies it has been generating....

im very much sure, so many aggrieved have left the church. so many wud be grumbling.

the singles are sure having a field day cos they wud push the bounds when their time comes.

church authority is undermined and bliv me, the centre can no longer hold.


point of correction OP, it is the church that tendered the apology not the couple.

heard she dribble the marriage committee when asked to come submit her wedding gown for inspection.

must have been a huge surprise on all faces that day.

So what is your business with DL?

flourishG: keep quiet and stop all this yr nonsenses talk here.just because d devil quote scriptures doesn't mean he know the word.you pple are so half baked n mushroom religious followers not follwing christ.what is yr business with frosb church?is he not a christian?[b]why dont u mind your business in yr own church.
[/b]you this babysitters of religious cult always come on with attitude that we have personal issues when we say the truth against hypocrisy.i know u pple too well.the lord says beware of the leaven of the pharisees which is hypocrisy just like saying beware of dogs.we are saying what the couples did was wrong and the generally laid down standard for everyone and you and some empty head folks are taking side trynna cover one side up.that's nonsense.and did u attend english class at all?did i promised to kill pygru?did u read my comment well?that's how u pple take even bible word out of context n spread false teachings.i said "if" i see a snake n see pygru, i will first kill pygru first b4 kill d snake with da reason dat pygru is more devilish than a snake.go n learn english b4 u debate in public forum like this.da same way u will take bible words of context.and who told u i cant discuss with insult.i insult only those who try to slanderr frosb for saying the truth and try to cover the bent standard of kumuyi son and hypocrisy.dat d reason for d insult and if u wanna talk peacefully,u welcome but dont call what is black white because it involves kumuyi son,i hate that nonsenses.
now u talking.these kids that called themselves couples knows the standards or rules if i may say.why didn't they obey then but hv to disobey n then come out to apologize.i hate when pple say the truth n some trynna call it judgement,there ain't any judgment yet until we get to heaven so say the truth and don't think u judging, you ain't judging no one.

[quote author=frosbel][/quote]What's with these 22 doctrines? Can you suggest one that's unscriptural?

No assembly is free from flaws. There's no assembly free from criticism. And there's no assembly people don't switch from. I know so many people who leave one living church for another for various reasons. They make use of the doors to the church building. Some feel no where is perfect and go ahead to form their's. Then others come along and point gaping holes in it and take a walk too. DL isn't tying anyone with ropes. So many have happily switched to DL from other worship centres. Its a matter of choice and God's leading. God bless the couple. God bless DL. God bless the true body of Christ globally. Amen

Probably you should have known better. The apology was to the church as a family I presume. Church buildings have doors. Options abound. Those still there have so chosen. They understand the essence of the apology better. Wishing the couple all the best. And to DL the abundance of grace and mercy to fulfil the purpose God established them for. If the foundation is in God and stays in Him, the best is yet to come.

seunlayi: I opened this thread without stating the source or any details hoping to come back after the message to update it but to my surprise, the story was on the frontpage with more than 2,000 views With the moderator not minding if it was a rumour or not. I never knew Nairaland has gone to this extent of pushing yet to be confirm news to the frontpage or maybe the Mod has also got a hint about it. well, that was how it actually went today with miracles following

If the apology was to the church and the Pastor, I guess you shouldn't have brought it here. It was directed to those it was meant for. A person outside a home may not fully comprehend why children apologize to their family for what they could have done better. Its for the family's consumption.

seunlayi: John and Love Kumuyi whose wedding has been generating a lot of controversies has just tendered their apology to
the church.

In all Christians are to remain Christ-like and so live as those that must give account. Some may understand that you wed on a day to spend a lifetime together, 'happily' concretizing dreams. The pockets of bachelors going into weddings aren't the same. That you spend less doesn't mean your home will be better than the one who spends more. Spending within your means is the real deal. If one can afford to feed a whole city, its his choice. When the pomp and pageantry is over however and the crowd goes home, how is it thereafter? Does the home stand to glorify God or does the union all but 'un-unite'? Eyewitnesses to this wedding will know more facts than the media or anyone else conjures. There's no assembly, sect or persuasion flawless that doesn't attract one form of criticism or the other. By the way Church buildings have doors and options abound. The people who remain there do so by choice. Wishing John and Love Kumuyi the best of married life

In all Christians are to remain Christ-like and so live as those that must give account. Some may understand that you wed on a day to spend a lifetime together, 'happily' concretizing dreams. The pockets of bachelors going into weddings aren't the same. That you spend less doesn't mean your home will be better than the one who spends more. Spending within your means is the real deal. If one can afford to feed a whole city, its his choice. When the pomp and pageantry is over however and the crowd goes home, how is it thereafter? Does the home stand to glorify God or does the union all but 'un-unite'? Eyewitnesses to this wedding will know more facts than the media or anyone else conjures. There's no assembly, sect or persuasion flawless that doesn't attract one form of criticism or the other. By the way Church buildings have doors and options abound. The people who remain there do so by choice. Wishing John and Love Kumuyi the best of married life

In all Christians are to remain Christ-like and so live as those that must give account. Some may understand that you wed on a day to spend a lifetime together, 'happily' concretizing dreams. The pockets of bachelors going into weddings aren't the same. That you spend less doesn't mean your home will be better than the one who spends more. Spending within your means is the real deal. If one can afford to feed a whole city, its his choice. When the pomp and pageantry is over however and the crowd goes home, how is it thereafter? Does the home stand to glorify God or does the union all but 'un-unite'? Eyewitnesses to this wedding will know more facts than the media or anyone else conjures. There's no assembly, sect or persuasion flawless that doesn't attract one form of criticism or the other. By the way Church buildings have doors and options abound. The people who remain there do so by choice. Wishing John and Love Kumuyi the best of married life